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@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc


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Posted 24 March 2011 - 02:19 AM

So, the first issue is out and damn it, Hickman's one of the best writers out there today.

Last issue had Johnny's funeral and the return of Nathaniel Richards.

FF picks up a month afterward. Johnny left a will, asking Reed to continue with the Kids and have Peter replace him in the event of his death.

Pete arrives and we're shown Ben being remorseful, and the new costumes are a new type of unstable molecule. The black-on-white costumes we've seen so far and white-on-black for what I assume are for stealth missions.

Anyway, stuff happens. AIM breaks Wizard out, Nathaniel joins the supporting cast as someone to actually GROUND Reed from getting TOO fantastical in his ideas, and Valeria's deal with Doom is revealed: He's going to join the Future Foundation as well.

I'm loving all of these developments. It's fun, engaging and, yes, not meant for trades. It's meant to be read issue-to-issue and I miss books like these that plan things out years in advance.

I once thought a Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire Fantastic Four run would be my dream run. Nope, THIS is my dream run. Hickman actually gets the characters, and for the first time in a long time, I'm excited about a comic book.

Question is, will Hickman ignore Doom being of normal intelligence now, or will the Foundation help him? Ulterior motives? Ben's new kick ass and ask questions later attitude? Sue just letting Reed do what he wants?

Mmm, good comics.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 02:44 AM

It was absolutely awesome! Uncle Doom!!!! Doom was at the funeral, Sue and Reed saw him standing by respectfully. Val has been interacting with her Uncle now for some time so who knows if Doom has an ulterior motive, I kind of hope not.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 05:06 AM

I can't see Hickman ignoring the fact that Doom is of reduced intelligence now, since he made a whole point of it in the issue where Val extended her offer to him, and has actively placed Kristoff on the Latverian throne because of it. It's the very reason Doom is HERE. Well, from Doom's perspective, I mean - the hints have been dropped thick and fast that Nathaniel knows that something terrible is going to happen in the future that only Doom will be able to deal with. This is what future-Franklin told Val when he came back in time very early on in Hickman's run, and why Val made the offer she did. There are plots and counterplots at work, to be sure.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 06:14 AM

I used to hate the Fantastic Four until I started reading Hickman's run. Can't wait until I read this issue.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 07:19 AM

So, wait... what happened to Doom's intelligence now?

Is a Doom without his intelligence truly Doom?

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 09:14 AM

QUOTE(LBD @ Mar 24 2011, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, wait... what happened to Doom's intelligence now?


He got brain-drained during "World War Hulks" when a machine he was using to try and sap intelligence from Marvel's superhero scientists backfired on him.

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That, I think, it going to be very much at the heart of what FF does with the character. He *knows* he is without his intelligence now, and has actively stepped down as ruler of Latveria since he believes he can't rule in his current condition. This is what has driven him into the situation he now finds himself in as part of the Future Foundation. "Here," as Doom says in a brief flash of the future glimpsed in one panel a year ago, "I can build"...

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 02:38 PM

i've read it, and it's alright for a first issue. hopefully marvel will stick to FF rather than bringing Johnny back after a year and then naming the book Fantatic Four again.

What i'm really excited is to how Val plan on avenging Johnny's death. i was really hoping that the first issue would touch on that BUT as i said it's only the first issue.

Having Doom into the mix really "mixes" things up icon-fire.gif icon-fire.gif icon-fire.gif

I wonder if FF would invite all the brainy in the Marvel Universe. Like Bruce Banner, Tony Stark, or even Beast. They don't have to be in uniform (Iron man suit) to contribute to the FF. It would be like all of them just brain storming on a problem.

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Posted 24 March 2011 - 03:54 PM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Mar 24 2011, 08:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(LBD @ Mar 24 2011, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, wait... what happened to Doom's intelligence now?


He got brain-drained during "World War Hulks" when a machine he was using to try and sap intelligence from Marvel's superhero scientists backfired on him.


Apparently he didn't learn the first time: http://thatguywithth...-in-brain-drain

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 05:15 PM

Can anyone here give me a quick history lesson who the Wizard is? I always had this impression of him of being an old-school B-list FF villain, but he seemed pretty menacing in that breakout. And what is this about there being a child clone of him in the Future Foundation?

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Posted 25 March 2011 - 05:50 PM

QUOTE(gravitybomba @ Mar 25 2011, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can anyone here give me a quick history lesson who the Wizard is? I always had this impression of him of being an old-school B-list FF villain, but he seemed pretty menacing in that breakout. And what is this about there being a child clone of him in the Future Foundation?

GB!


Well, he sort of always WAS an old-school B-lister! He was a Human Torch villain from "Strange Tales" originally, then later brought over to the FF title as the leader of the Frightful Four. He's a genius inventor whose shtick revolves around anti-gravity devices (hence his sometime-codename, the "Wingless Wizard"). There's... honestly not a lot else to say! The kid-clone was from the very first issue of Hickman's run when the FF found out the Wizard was cloning himself, and Reed realized that he had genuinely lost his mind, claiming to have made some sort of divine contact and having started to "build" humans as a mission from God (he's using a lot of religious imagery in his speech now - that line about the fluttering of angel's wings in this issue, for instance). He's a gibbering mess without his helmet, which has a calmative effect on him - I think it's fairly strongly implied that the Wizard has somehow had his mind opened to the future terrors that Nathaniel is aware are coming. Reed's taken custody of one of the clones - "Bentley 32" - in the belief that he will be able to "fix" him, to raise him so that he will not be another Wizard. Bentley, of course, is the "something of his" that the Wizard mentions that Reed has in this issue. He's a dickish little fellow, but perhaps, in part, only because he seems to think he *should* be, because of who he is.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:04 AM

This might be my favorite book right now. Just simply awesome. Hickman's writing is spot on and he seems to truly understand what type of story fits for the characters. The Council of Reed Richards thing next issue is going to be crazy.


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Posted 28 April 2011 - 02:16 AM

Glorious. Doom got un-Loebhugery'd, Infinite Reeds return next issue and Val is a delightful, frighteningly smart lass.

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Posted 28 April 2011 - 03:30 AM

^ Yes she is. I love her banter with her Uncle DOOM!

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 08:07 PM

This was another awesome issue, probably my favorite of the three so far. Hickman is right up there with Morrison and Johns as my top three favorite writers.

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Posted 11 May 2011 - 09:50 PM

I really hope Johnny stays dead and Hickman stays on writing. This title is amazing.
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Posted 12 May 2011 - 12:09 AM

Hickman's in for the long run.

I knew the Reeds were up to no good.

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Posted 12 May 2011 - 04:13 AM

Val is maybe my favorite character...

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Posted 25 May 2011 - 01:22 PM

I can't say enough good things about this book. It's my favorite book on the market right now. I love how Hickman thinks BIG but also gets the small, important little character moments and one liners in. His characterization of all the characters is superb and he manages the large ensemble brilliantly, making sure everyone gets their moment. Even the kids aren't annoying! Like I said before, I just love Val Ricahrds! Also Susan is hugging hot!!! I loved the black versions of their FF costumes. Both the writing and art work are stellar in this book.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 04:42 PM

"sure"

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:03 PM

DOOM IS DISAPPOINT.

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