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@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc


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Posted 23 February 2011 - 02:08 AM

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 08:01 AM



Looks cool.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 05:03 PM

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Looks cool.


Is cool. Seriously, this is a good book with some crisp, clear artwork. Get it!


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Posted 23 February 2011 - 05:11 PM

Just a note to anyone who may have been reading the thread over on TFW2005 - seriously, this really doesn't contradict Defiance very much at all, and not in any way that couldn't be undone by the end of the mini.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 07:35 PM

I echo Chris's statement. There's nothing in here that raises my eyebrow, continuity-wise.

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 07:48 PM

Pretty much the only thing is Sentinel naming Optimus a Prime when he didn't have the title in Defiance. But as I say, that's nothing that can't be undone by the end of this mini; plus, right now, only three people know about it, and it's really only honorary here, until Optimus learns he's a TRUE Prime in Defiance. Though I suspect Sentinel knows this already and is grooming him for the role, but we shall see how this plays out...

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Posted 23 February 2011 - 08:15 PM

Yeah, the stuff in this issue dances around and references too much from previous movie comics for me to think that the writer is gonna pull that big of a contradiction.

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 01:16 AM

(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 07:05 AM

So, is Sentinel really Optimus' daddy like Bay said somewhere?

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(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)


How so, when in the Arcee ToF comic she was created from Arcee along with Chromia, thanks to the crazy Con surgeon's machinations, and in Defiance, she died on Cybertron prior to this event?

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 07:46 AM

QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 24 2011, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, is Sentinel really Optimus' daddy like Bay said somewhere?

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 24 2011, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)


How so, when in the Arcee ToF comic she was created from Arcee along with Chromia, thanks to the crazy Con surgeon's machinations, and in Defiance, she died on Cybertron prior to this event?


She deid in "Reign of Starscream", and "Rising Storm" explains that Flatline used Arcee's spark to reignite both Elita's and Chromia's, a retconning of what we saw in "Tales of the Fallen".

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 10:29 AM

QUOTE(Chris McFeely @ Feb 24 2011, 07:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(BB Shockwave @ Feb 24 2011, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, is Sentinel really Optimus' daddy like Bay said somewhere?

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Feb 24 2011, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(In related news, time to totally merge Elita (Movie) and Elita (ROTF).)


How so, when in the Arcee ToF comic she was created from Arcee along with Chromia, thanks to the crazy Con surgeon's machinations, and in Defiance, she died on Cybertron prior to this event?


She deid in "Reign of Starscream", and "Rising Storm" explains that Flatline used Arcee's spark to reignite both Elita's and Chromia's, a retconning of what we saw in "Tales of the Fallen".


Not a complete retcon, though - it's all but outright stated that the three have a sort of hive mind thing going on. Kinda weird if you ask me.
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Posted 24 February 2011 - 04:29 PM

Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:11 AM

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By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

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That is AWESOME. Which one is which? The wiki must know.

Edit: I just recalled one of them was female, so I assume she's not Deadguy. Never hurts to be sure, though.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:22 AM

QUOTE(Cattleprod @ Feb 24 2011, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 25 2011, 12:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

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That is AWESOME. Which one is which? The wiki must know.

Edit: I just recalled one of them was female, so I assume she's not Deadguy. Never hurts to be sure, though.


Actually they were both "male" but I guess the one did have sort of fembot traits, which would be Cannonfodder. I designed him with a mix of BB and Arcee in mind, as a younger Autobot eager to please Optimus and prove himself on the battlefield. Meanwhile Deadguy was designed to look like he was a flyer yet followed Optimus on foot and willing to go wherever Optimus did.

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QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....


Wow, great to hear from you! Your mesh of styles works fairly well. Love the character names! icon-fire.gif I especially love the Tribes explanation - it would explain some of the more radical difference we've seen in some bots.

Say, I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason that Shockwave's design (in both books) differs from the final design we've seen via the toy and game promotions?

Edited by Master Fwiffo, 25 February 2011 - 12:31 AM.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:37 AM

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Actually they were both "male" but I guess the one did have sort of fembot traits, which would be Cannonfodder.

Oops, yeah, I guess he doesn't really have many fembot traits beyond 'is a motorcycle'. His similar coloration to Elita-1 might've confused me when just glancing back at it.

Since we haven't driven you away with inane questions (yet), is the purple-ish seeker on page 5 based on Cyclonus, or am I seeing things?

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:42 AM

QUOTE(Cattleprod @ Feb 24 2011, 10:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 25 2011, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually they were both "male" but I guess the one did have sort of fembot traits, which would be Cannonfodder.

Oops, yeah, I guess he doesn't really have many fembot traits beyond 'is a motorcycle'. His similar coloration to Elita-1 might've confused me when just glancing back at it.

Since we haven't driven you away with inane questions (yet), is the purple-ish seeker on page 5 based on Cyclonus, or am I seeing things?


Sadly no. He's basically just a "repaint" of Ramjet and Priscilla is solely responsible for the color choice. Though she might have had him in mind, I'm not sure. If you like Cyclonus easter eggs though, keep your eyes peeled in this series....

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:43 AM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(polystyleneman @ Feb 24 2011, 09:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Feb 24 2011, 02:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....


Wow, great to hear from you! Your mesh of styles works fairly well. Love the character names! icon-fire.gif I especially love the Tribes explanation - it would explain some of the more radical difference we've seen in some bots.

Say, I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason that Shockwave's design (in both books) differs from the final design we've seen via the toy and game promotions?


I'm not at liberty to say anything about SW, buy Andy addressed it sorta on the IDW forums today.

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 12:47 AM

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Of the two books that came out this week, Foundation is the superior of the two based on artwork alone. Griffith does a great job on the Cybertronian bots, even giving a few older toys redesigns (if I'm seeing them right). And once again, Barber is delivering an excellent story with solid writing and an interesting history. Defiance was the better of the two RotF prequels, and this one looks like it will be a very solid complement to the book, filling in a lot of Movieverse's Backstory.

The best aspect is the the explanation of what hapened to Cybertron after the Primes were destroyed. It's not a question I ever really thought about, but after reading the book, it makes sense. Cybertron entered a long dark age with the loss of the Primes, to the point they even forgot what gave them life. I like the roles they are setting up for Sentinel Prime and Shockwave, and am eager to see what DotM will do with these characters.

Excellent book, and highly recommended. Greatly looking forward to issue 2!


Thanks for the kind words, and I'm really glad you liked the book. It only gets better.

Just thought I'd add a quick comment here explaining why I used the designs that I did. For one thing, the movieverse books have had so many different artists from Milne to Figureoa to Khanna and Magno with so many different looks to the bots that I've been trying to use elements from different artists as an attempt to pull everything together. While Elita-1 is closely following Milne's version of her in ROS, Ironhide's Cybertronian mode is basically Figureoa's design used in Defiance 3, as are several other characters like Brawl and others who are going to appear in the series. Flatline of course is Milne's design as his only appearance has been in TOTF.

I basically did my best to stick to previous designs when possible and if there were conflicting designs used then to go with the one that made more sense. Like For Prime's alt mode, I went with Don's design because it made more sense to me than the teardrop-shaped protoform alt mode he turned into sometimes in Defiance.

In my mind I've justified the different styles of designs as being from the different tribes mentioned in Foundation 1. I kinda figure that the guys who look like Don's work in Defiance might have a common heritage, while the background guys designed by Khanna in Defiance might be from another and so on.

By the way, the two guys who get off'ed in the first few pages have actual character names which are very telling, Deadguy and Cannonfodder.

Anyway, just trying to add a little insight for the curious....


Wow, great to hear from you! Your mesh of styles works fairly well. Love the character names! icon-fire.gif I especially love the Tribes explanation - it would explain some of the more radical difference we've seen in some bots.

Say, I don't know if you can answer this, but is there a reason that Shockwave's design (in both books) differs from the final design we've seen via the toy and game promotions?


I'm not at liberty to say anything about SW, buy Andy addressed it sorta on the IDW forums today.


Ah, thanks!

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