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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 05:04 PM)

The reason is even worse. :(

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 04:34 PM)

That moron is a shame to his profession.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 09:34 AM)

I just think a Judge going on and Jury Tampering, trying to make the Jury think a sex taffiker is innocent is sickening. *won't say why he did that as that goes in P&R*

@  Sabrblade : (20 January 2018 - 09:21 AM)

Heh, the schedules for my work weeks begin with Saturday

@  wonko the sane? : (20 January 2018 - 07:01 AM)

Thing about the US is... you can say that any time you want as much as you want. You're still going to get shot, but it might not be because you said that though.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 January 2018 - 02:20 AM)

You just did.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (20 January 2018 - 02:18 AM)

Can I just say that right now... I hate the USA?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 January 2018 - 01:34 AM)

There are languages where the days are named for numbers and Sunday is "one". Like Arabic.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2018 - 01:31 AM)

Isn't it sort of a religious thing for Sunday to be the start of the week but most people just go with the first day they go to work for the week?

@  unitremover : (20 January 2018 - 01:02 AM)

I feel like I've known plenty of Americans who'd say Monday is the first day of the week.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2018 - 12:57 AM)

Personally Monday will always be the first day of the week for me. The notion that Sunday is somehow the first day of the week seems completely nonsensical to me.

@  Pennpenn : (20 January 2018 - 12:57 AM)

I'm fairly sure it is in Australia, but that tends to get blurred because of US influence.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 12:19 AM)

(It's Sunday here in the U.S.)

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 January 2018 - 12:18 AM)

Anyone here live in a country where Monday is considered the first day of the week?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 January 2018 - 08:40 PM)

Maybe?

@  Patchouli Kn... : (19 January 2018 - 08:38 PM)

But do they search barf?

@  BlackMax : (19 January 2018 - 08:38 PM)

Under water, the fish don't stink.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 January 2018 - 07:42 PM)

I read that at first as "Everyone is a fish...."

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 January 2018 - 06:08 PM)

Everyone has a fetish, I guess.

@  BlackMax : (19 January 2018 - 05:56 PM)

I parsed it as "search barf" at first.

@  Nevermore : (19 January 2018 - 05:05 PM)

Robowang nude hiden cam photos

@  Robowang : (19 January 2018 - 02:54 PM)

Oh, hey, that's not the search bar! Whoops.

@  Robowang : (19 January 2018 - 12:48 PM)

reflector camera mode

@  MEDdMI : (19 January 2018 - 12:14 PM)

But did you get a Snowbombcyclopsragnarokdoomstorm like the US NE got last week?

@  Nevermore : (19 January 2018 - 11:40 AM)

Netherlands? We got one hell of a storm here in Germany the other day too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 January 2018 - 01:59 AM)

When that happens in Cocoa Beach there's always someone getting out their surfboard.

@  CORVUS : (19 January 2018 - 12:04 AM)

Damn!

@  Telly : (18 January 2018 - 10:29 PM)

holy hug

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 January 2018 - 06:27 PM)

Goddamn look what happened to the Dutch this week.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (18 January 2018 - 06:27 PM)

https://twitter.com/dwnews/status/954066379610628097

@  Locoman : (18 January 2018 - 03:43 PM)

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand brick and mortar.

@  siccoyote : (18 January 2018 - 04:31 AM)

Who sings the first part of the GIJoe The Movie theme song? (Cobra) Sounds so familiar.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:46 PM)

Also true.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 10:40 PM)

I hate brick and mortar stores around here.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:38 PM)

But I like the feel of the brick and mortar search a bit more. And I can see inside packages at brick and mortar. True, Amazon has a good return policy, but I like buying once and settling.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 10:37 PM)

I suppose I could save more if I bought more often from Amazon.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 10:36 PM)

Closest I got to "free" was 30% off warpath, which just about lined him up to the canadian price had he ever shown up around me. The pile of loot saved me a pile, but it was still pricy.

@  Shrug : (17 January 2018 - 09:34 PM)

Yeah, I purposefully waited on them because I knew they'd be perfect "add onto orders to get free shipping" fodder. Already gotten two that way. Technically "free" and I barely had to wait.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (17 January 2018 - 09:21 PM)

That's how I feel about Prime Masters. Getting back into collecting last year taught me to be patient, which grants rewards most of the time.

@  Shrug : (17 January 2018 - 09:18 PM)

I want Starscream so hard after seeing him in person, but since he's the one being left behind by every other collector in my area, I feel like I can wait for a sale.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 09:09 PM)

I mean: I maybe woulda jumped on starscream if I found a sale or something, but it wasn't a priority.

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 09:08 PM)

I only wanted the dinobots (cause... volcanicus.) but got saddled with three I didn't want due to the bundling. I'd still be waiting to order if I had waited on individual figures.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 08:27 PM)

Ahh.. I just ordered the whole case cause I wanted too. :)

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 06:49 PM)

Mostly PotP dinobots. Plus some stuff I couldn't opt out of to get those dinobots. And CW warpath... cause he was on sale.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 04:54 PM)

What ya getting?

@  wonko the sane? : (17 January 2018 - 04:38 PM)

Yay! My package from BBTS is in canada! I might even get it this week!

@  Benbot : (17 January 2018 - 02:04 PM)

I need a laptop more than a new desktop

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (17 January 2018 - 01:18 PM)

Buying a pre-built computer you should be okay.. It's just the individual parts that jumped huge in price.

@  Paladin : (17 January 2018 - 01:14 PM)

well all the idiots who invested in "bitcoin" will be selling theirs en masse to make ends meet so you might be able to find something cheap if you watch auctions.

@  Benbot : (17 January 2018 - 12:59 PM)

Is now a good time to buy a computer? Or should I wait?


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#1 Walky

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:51 AM



This is something that we've brainstormed on the Allspark a few times. So say there's a toy of Hot Shot. Hot Shot gets redecoed as Springer.
Evac also gets redecoed as Springer. It's happened!

But does that mean that through the transitive property, Hasbro could do a Hot Shot from an Evac or vice versa, and it would be totally valid?
What if we take that to extremes?

What happens is that we have this chart. Because taking things to extremes is what fans do best!

And it's an idea that me and my friends have nurtured from time to time. It's a geeky idea. How else could we know that a redeco of Shockwave
into Small Foot is a valid idea? But then Shellspark had to go and start making a chart. And that's when jive got real. He had some different
rules from mine, so I made my own chart, with my own rules. He should post his chart in this thread as well. One thing I like about his rules is
that, since he includes some cross-univeral doppelgangers as the same guy, he can travel from G1 Soundwave to Cybertron Soundwave and
from him to alllllll of the jets. It's amaaazing. You can also get to Animated with those rules.

But this is my chart. #wiigii! and LiquidVelcro! helped me fill a few holes in it, and, of course, Tfwiki is always
a helpful resource.

And here is Sam's chart, moved here from page 3:

Edited by Code of Walky, 18 February 2011 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:05 AM

This is magnificent.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:07 AM

I only wish this was in HTML so I could easily Ctrl+F it. <3 otherwise.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:12 AM

I feel like Kevin Bacon should be on this chart somewhere.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:13 AM

Awesome stuff and I often think of these relations from time to time when thinking of possible redecos/retools.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:18 AM

I've removed the cross-continuity jumps on mine for a few reasons. First, I was having a hard time coming up with a good way to clearly and consistently show the jump that was being made. Second, it was taking a little too much room and I wanted to keep the chart to a more easily navigatable size (I did, however, keep an expanded version for my own amusement). And, finally, the cross-continuity jumps were often unneccesary, either connecting two characters who had other paths between them or only bringing in a few more characters. I wasn't sure it was worth it just to, say, bring Arcee, Tarantulus, Black Arachnia and Crystal Widow into the collective. The Soundwave example is really the only link that would have been of any note.

Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


KITTY WARS!

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:22 AM

Hurrah, other people have thought about this.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:26 AM

This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids

Edited by Daytonus, 17 February 2011 - 11:29 AM.


#9 ExVee

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.


Supposedly, all Sideways are the same guy, so...

Also, I'd lose my chance to see Cybertron Sideways as Big Bird Circuit if we took that out.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:44 AM

My mind, she is blown. my eyes, they bleeds.

My wiki sense, it tingles.

Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?
Clearing out some old TFs and Mugenbine in my BST Thread. You know you want some of these.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)
"'[Foreigners] at least need to be able to speak proper German.' Okay, what the hell is that supposed to be? Proper German'? Where do they speak that? Have you ever been there? Are you German? Can you engage in a conversation in a Swabian pub? Most people from Cologne already fail at asking for directions in the Eifel region."
- Volker Pispers, German comedian

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 17 2011, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?


Well, if I'm reading it right:

Red = G1
Teal = G2
Green = Beast Era
Yellow = RiD
Blue = Unicron Trilogy
Purple-pink = Universe
Pink = Movie
Lavender = Shattered Glass

(I am in awe.)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.



Yeah, counting original Sideways as ROTF Sideways doesn't quite seem to fit in with that rule.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Oh right, I forgot that dude wasn't actually released. My bad.

Really, I just want to get to Skids somehow. Hehe.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Depending how you treat G2 Dreadwing. And depending on your classification of "released"...

G1 Megatron --> G2 Megatron--> G2 Dreadwing --> G1 Darkwing --> Universe Ultra Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Starscream -- > G1 Starscream

Edited by NightViper, 17 February 2011 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:24 PM

G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?


That one's fuzzy. It's possible Furman didn't realize that the toy's name belonged to the Darkwing/Dreadwind combiner rather than to Darkwing, and so in his mind he was just upgrading one guy to his new body. An accidental repurposing. That one's up to personal interpretation, I'd say.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(shellspark @ Feb 17 2011, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


Email it to me (wiigii at gmail) and I'll upload it to my site for you.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:28 PM

Do you care about corrections and additions? (E.g. some arrows are pointing the wrong way and Cybertron Scourge was also redecoed into RID Bruticus.)