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@  Telly : (30 April 2017 - 09:46 PM)

" his weakness to fire." i can see the battle now: "you may have beat me to a bloody pulp, broken both my legs and shattered my spine, but i have a LIT MATCH!! whatre you gonna do NOW???"

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (30 April 2017 - 06:39 PM)

Damn the shoutbox won't accept Asian script.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (30 April 2017 - 06:39 PM)

許されざる者よ!

@  Paladin : (30 April 2017 - 06:35 PM)

he's also addicted to Oreos. so, two weaknesses. :p

@  Foffy : (30 April 2017 - 06:34 PM)

I remember Justice League left out his eye beams and played down his strength a bit, which I presume was done to help deifferentiate him from Superman.

@  Verity Carlo : (30 April 2017 - 06:32 PM)

There's a reason why he's considered one of the most powerful of the JLA. Only one they can depend on to defeat him is Plastic Man, due to his brain's malleability.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:27 PM)

Wow, reading about all his powers, he's actually kind of overpowered aside from his weakness to fire.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:23 PM)

Martian Manhunter can disguise himself as anyone, shrink, grow, become invisible, stretch out his limbs, pop out extra arms, change his arms into blades, do all sorts of psychic stuff...

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:22 PM)

Which is kind of dumb. Aside from being a super-strong flying alien with eye beams that wears a cape and has super senses, there's a lot of differences.

@  Paladin : (30 April 2017 - 06:18 PM)

the higher-ups at WB apparently consider Martian Manhunter redundant- a "green Superman." that''s suposedly why hes left out.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:16 PM)

I wouldn't mind seeing them put Steel in one of the DCEU movies, as long as they're better than the last three.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:12 PM)

Really, he should be one of the easiest JL members to cast. You can take any guy of any race who's muscular enough for the role. It'd probably piss off the purists who want everything to be as close to the comics as possible, but you can't do anything without pissing them off.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:10 PM)

Foffy's right. I mean, they don't have to keep Martian Manhunter white. He can disguise himself as any race.

@  Foffy : (30 April 2017 - 06:08 PM)

@Paladin I feel like Martian Manhunter would probably be played by a black actor anyway, though? I mean, his VAs in both the DCAU and The Batman were african american. Also, movies are a separate medium from comics.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:08 PM)

He's, like, the least interesting Earth GL.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:08 PM)

Hal Jordan is honestly a really boring character.

@  Verity Carlo : (30 April 2017 - 06:04 PM)

I mean, I don't hate Aquaman or Hal Jordan, but I like Martian Manhunter a lot more.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 06:02 PM)

Meh, if I were then I would have just used John Stewart as Green Lantern, but I'd also have used Wally West instead of Barry Allen.

@  Paladin : (30 April 2017 - 05:59 PM)

because then WB has a reason/excuse to actually cast a black guy in the movie.

@  Verity Carlo : (30 April 2017 - 05:52 PM)

Nah, just stick him on a Wildstorm title, great idea.

@  Verity Carlo : (30 April 2017 - 05:52 PM)

Like, it's nice have Cybog getting his dues, but you could've have had him replaced Aquaman, not the guy who's literally been on every incarnation of the team and is it's heart and soul.

@  Verity Carlo : (30 April 2017 - 05:51 PM)

Why on the New 52, Martian Manhunter isn't one of the finding JLA members.

@  Verity Carlo : (30 April 2017 - 05:50 PM)

You know what I'll never understand?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (30 April 2017 - 05:01 PM)

There are shops with lots of pre-owned stuff like Mandarake, so it doesn't necessarily need to be retail, depending on where he's going.

@  Msol : (30 April 2017 - 04:19 PM)

Every other MP I want I have. I wonder how cheap Inferno is at retail...

@  Msol : (30 April 2017 - 04:19 PM)

I wonder if Star Saber is still around at retail. I don't know what it all looks like over there.

@  Foffy : (30 April 2017 - 04:05 PM)

Ask them to bring back a real live japanese person for you.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (30 April 2017 - 04:01 PM)

I'd say "any TF you don't already have" but I guess that's too general.

@  Msol : (30 April 2017 - 03:46 PM)

So hey I've got a buddy going to Japan for a vacation. What would be a good thing for him to bring back for me on the cheap? I've already got MP-36 so I'm not sure what else would worthwile...

@  Foffy : (30 April 2017 - 12:11 PM)

*Clicks on link* Ooh, that is a lovely webcomic, thank you. I'm going to have to bookmark this.

@  Rycochet : (30 April 2017 - 10:42 AM)

Breaking Cat News is a pretty awesome webcomic.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 09:49 AM)

Brawl in the Family's my favorite webcomic.

@  Evac : (30 April 2017 - 09:48 AM)

You're a penguin, Dedede! You're a grumpy, grouchy guy! Your aggravating antics even sicken Sakurai, Dedede-EE! The only game you deserve is on the PHILLIPS CD-I! You're a mean king, Dedede! You've got Tektites in your smile! You've got all the wrath of Ganondorf, but only half the style, Dedede-EE! You'd even steal a painting of A SEASICK CROCODILE! I think I hate you, Dedede! You pathetic, putrid punk! You're as rancid as a Redead in a landfill full of junk, Dedede-EE! You miserable end-boss, you make me sick! And you can't even keep a pink puffball out of your hair! Three words that describe you best would be "stink, STANK, STUNK!"

@  unluckiness : (30 April 2017 - 09:27 AM)

if you like it you should have put a ring on it

@  2017 : (30 April 2017 - 09:09 AM)

There's nothing wrong with it, it's 99% of the time a joke term.

@  Pennpenn : (30 April 2017 - 08:39 AM)

I'll be gladder when the term "waifu" gets somehow deleted from existence, or at least falls out of common (or any) use.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (30 April 2017 - 04:36 AM)

Blasphemy! Zero Suit Samus forever!

@  Foffy : (30 April 2017 - 03:31 AM)

That feeling when you finally realize that King Dedede is the best waifu and all others are shit.

@  Pennpenn : (29 April 2017 - 08:35 PM)

There are probably plenty of people who wouldn't know them from Adam. Me, for example.

@  Telly : (29 April 2017 - 08:18 PM)

not from me. id just put him on ignore

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (29 April 2017 - 08:16 PM)

I thought of something else about TFW2005 versus the Allspark. If Ignash was allowed back here, wouldn't that initiate lots of frustration and/or abandonment by people here?

@  Telly : (29 April 2017 - 08:09 PM)

with FRIGGIN laser beams on their FRIGGIN heads!

@  Lazy Garou : (29 April 2017 - 04:32 PM)

the do this to sharks. Friggin' sharks!

@  Lazy Garou : (29 April 2017 - 04:31 PM)

they don't kill. they eat half of your face, and you're left with a hideous tumor where the barnacle is.

@  Locoman : (29 April 2017 - 03:49 PM)

Perhaps the barnacle, consumed with guilt at what he'd done, took his own life after killing everyone

@  Lazy Garou : (29 April 2017 - 02:28 PM)

parasitic barnacles are the stuff of nightmares

@  MEDdMI : (29 April 2017 - 01:39 PM)

But barnacles don't have- *checks* "The main sense of barnacles appears to be touch, with the hairs on the limbs being especially sensitive. The adult also has a single eye, although this is probably only capable of sensing the difference between light and dark.[4]This eye is derived from the primarynaupliar eye." Huh.

@  ▲ndrusi : (29 April 2017 - 01:29 PM)

He looked in a mirror

@  Evac : (29 April 2017 - 01:26 PM)

He was killed by his own ugliness. Kind of a "Hoist by His Own Petard" thing.

@  MEDdMI : (29 April 2017 - 01:12 PM)

How did the barnacle get killed if everyone died from his ugliness?


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#1 Walky

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:51 AM



This is something that we've brainstormed on the Allspark a few times. So say there's a toy of Hot Shot. Hot Shot gets redecoed as Springer.
Evac also gets redecoed as Springer. It's happened!

But does that mean that through the transitive property, Hasbro could do a Hot Shot from an Evac or vice versa, and it would be totally valid?
What if we take that to extremes?

What happens is that we have this chart. Because taking things to extremes is what fans do best!

And it's an idea that me and my friends have nurtured from time to time. It's a geeky idea. How else could we know that a redeco of Shockwave
into Small Foot is a valid idea? But then Shellspark had to go and start making a chart. And that's when jive got real. He had some different
rules from mine, so I made my own chart, with my own rules. He should post his chart in this thread as well. One thing I like about his rules is
that, since he includes some cross-univeral doppelgangers as the same guy, he can travel from G1 Soundwave to Cybertron Soundwave and
from him to alllllll of the jets. It's amaaazing. You can also get to Animated with those rules.

But this is my chart. #wiigii! and LiquidVelcro! helped me fill a few holes in it, and, of course, Tfwiki is always
a helpful resource.

And here is Sam's chart, moved here from page 3:

Edited by Code of Walky, 18 February 2011 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:05 AM

This is magnificent.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:07 AM

I only wish this was in HTML so I could easily Ctrl+F it. <3 otherwise.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:12 AM

I feel like Kevin Bacon should be on this chart somewhere.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:13 AM

Awesome stuff and I often think of these relations from time to time when thinking of possible redecos/retools.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:18 AM

I've removed the cross-continuity jumps on mine for a few reasons. First, I was having a hard time coming up with a good way to clearly and consistently show the jump that was being made. Second, it was taking a little too much room and I wanted to keep the chart to a more easily navigatable size (I did, however, keep an expanded version for my own amusement). And, finally, the cross-continuity jumps were often unneccesary, either connecting two characters who had other paths between them or only bringing in a few more characters. I wasn't sure it was worth it just to, say, bring Arcee, Tarantulus, Black Arachnia and Crystal Widow into the collective. The Soundwave example is really the only link that would have been of any note.

Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:22 AM

Hurrah, other people have thought about this.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:26 AM

This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids

Edited by Daytonus, 17 February 2011 - 11:29 AM.


#9 ExVee

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.


Supposedly, all Sideways are the same guy, so...

Also, I'd lose my chance to see Cybertron Sideways as Big Bird Circuit if we took that out.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:44 AM

My mind, she is blown. my eyes, they bleeds.

My wiki sense, it tingles.

Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?
Clearing out some old TFs and Mugenbine in my BST Thread. You know you want some of these.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 17 2011, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?


Well, if I'm reading it right:

Red = G1
Teal = G2
Green = Beast Era
Yellow = RiD
Blue = Unicron Trilogy
Purple-pink = Universe
Pink = Movie
Lavender = Shattered Glass

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.



Yeah, counting original Sideways as ROTF Sideways doesn't quite seem to fit in with that rule.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Oh right, I forgot that dude wasn't actually released. My bad.

Really, I just want to get to Skids somehow. Hehe.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Depending how you treat G2 Dreadwing. And depending on your classification of "released"...

G1 Megatron --> G2 Megatron--> G2 Dreadwing --> G1 Darkwing --> Universe Ultra Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Starscream -- > G1 Starscream

Edited by NightViper, 17 February 2011 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:24 PM

G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?


That one's fuzzy. It's possible Furman didn't realize that the toy's name belonged to the Darkwing/Dreadwind combiner rather than to Darkwing, and so in his mind he was just upgrading one guy to his new body. An accidental repurposing. That one's up to personal interpretation, I'd say.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(shellspark @ Feb 17 2011, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


Email it to me (wiigii at gmail) and I'll upload it to my site for you.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:28 PM

Do you care about corrections and additions? (E.g. some arrows are pointing the wrong way and Cybertron Scourge was also redecoed into RID Bruticus.)