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@  TheMightyMol... : (21 July 2017 - 04:21 PM)

A nerd.

@  Nevermore : (21 July 2017 - 04:19 PM)

Speaking of, what do you call someone who collects toys of the Marvel character The Collector?

@  Nevermore : (21 July 2017 - 04:18 PM)

What about people who collect the "Die Hard" movies?

@  wonko the sane? : (21 July 2017 - 03:54 PM)

A lot of the die hard collectors don't need to be louder...

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (21 July 2017 - 03:22 PM)

@Nevermore Benbot means "amped" as in excited. I believe the term is shorthand for (a sound) amplifier.

@  Nevermore : (21 July 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Or is "shorthand" a synonym for "amputated"?

@  Nevermore : (21 July 2017 - 03:10 PM)

Is "amped" shorthand for "amputated"?

@  Benbot : (21 July 2017 - 12:28 PM)

I am amped! But I also have standards.

@  Fear or Courage : (21 July 2017 - 08:38 AM)

I consider Thew to basically be the model toy collector. We should all aim to be so amped about the thing we collect.

@  Pennpenn : (21 July 2017 - 07:21 AM)

And some people are just whiny jerks who like to complain about stuff and don't realise that, so will invent irrational grievances to fuel that need.

@  Rycochet : (21 July 2017 - 06:13 AM)

A lot of toy collectors don't seem to get that the things the collect are toys.and have unrealistic expectations of what's doable in a modern retail environment. You're not going to get a $100 figure's worth of parts and paint for $20 or less and gimmicks are needed tomake the toys actually, you know, fun.

@  Foffy : (20 July 2017 - 09:40 PM)

Not necessarily. With the right condiments, they can taste surprisingly nice.

@  Evac : (20 July 2017 - 09:37 PM)

I think most toy collectors are bitter in some form.

@  Diecast : (20 July 2017 - 09:37 PM)

...or maybe I'm the bitter one?!  Oh no.

@  Diecast : (20 July 2017 - 09:32 PM)

And I don't even mean that everyone should love it all. But it does seem to bring the angrier ones in from the lurking.

@  Diecast : (20 July 2017 - 09:29 PM)

It's these reveals that always remind me how exceptionally bitter a large portion of toy collectors are on other forums.

@  Sean Whitmore : (20 July 2017 - 07:06 PM)

SDCC toy reveals make adults happy by telling them what they can get eventually. Kids don't care what they can get eventually, you make them happy by getting them whatever's available now.

@  Jalaguy : (20 July 2017 - 06:10 PM)

They exist, they just don't show them at SDCC because they assume that the adult fanbase doesn't care about them.

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 July 2017 - 06:03 PM)

On SDCC stuff...I'm disappointed, but not surprised, at the lack of the actual KIDS toys among all the toys for us old men

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 July 2017 - 04:15 PM)

:burn

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 July 2017 - 04:15 PM)

SSA response? "How would we know to un enroll you if you don't tell us?"

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 July 2017 - 04:14 PM)

I'm supposed to un-enrolled in Medicare at the end of the month (36 months post-transplant), but I'm getting a bill for next quarter's coverage.

@  Steevy Maximus : (20 July 2017 - 04:14 PM)

I would LOVE to have ONE THING done correctly and promptly by the Social Security Administration

@  Ms Virion : (20 July 2017 - 02:22 PM)

=(

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 July 2017 - 01:43 PM)

Noooo!!!!!

@  Paladin : (20 July 2017 - 01:39 PM)

well shit... https://uk.style.yah...-182818808.html

@  Kalidor : (19 July 2017 - 08:46 PM)

https://www.allspark...rive-questions/

@  wonko the sane? : (19 July 2017 - 07:53 PM)

So good it'll whack you in the lobanza.

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 06:12 PM)

mafiace cream?

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 04:49 PM)

adios mafia.

@  Patchouli Kn... : (19 July 2017 - 03:26 PM)

for ice cream

@  MEDdMI : (19 July 2017 - 02:52 PM)

But he must scream.

@  Benbot : (19 July 2017 - 02:49 PM)

he doesn't have a mouth

@  Benbot : (19 July 2017 - 02:48 PM)

Hoist?

@  Glenn : (19 July 2017 - 11:53 AM)

oops tfsource not bbts

@  Glenn : (19 July 2017 - 11:52 AM)

Does anyone else find Hoist's smile on that MP ad for BBTS slightly disturbing?

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 11:39 AM)

In to the darkness, snuffing out the light, fighting for the things you know aren't right

@  Noideaforaname : (19 July 2017 - 09:19 AM)

Snuff out the light, claim your right, to a world of darkness!

@  Bass X0 : (19 July 2017 - 08:33 AM)

Then we must block it out, just like Mr. Burns had foretold.

@  TheMightyMol... : (19 July 2017 - 07:23 AM)

Sunlight is overrated.

@  MEDdMI : (19 July 2017 - 05:42 AM)

Your eyes will remain intact behind the sunglasses on top of a pile of ash.

@  Dekafox : (18 July 2017 - 10:27 PM)

What about Ray-Banz sunglasses?

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 07:45 PM)

"This sunscreen will protect even vampires from the sun! ....That'll be your soul, please."

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 07:44 PM)

Wouldn't a blessing by Satan pretty much be a curse anyway?

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (18 July 2017 - 06:01 PM)

isn't "Blessed by Satan" an oxymoron?

@  Dracula : (18 July 2017 - 05:11 PM)

basically the sunscreen has to be blessed by satan.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 05:07 PM)

@Dracula what SPF do you nees to not get turned into dust in the sun?

@  Dracula : (18 July 2017 - 04:42 PM)

That's typical summers for where I live. bleh

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2017 - 04:02 PM)

Isn't it fun when it's so humid, it feels like your eyeballs are sweating?

@  Kalidor : (18 July 2017 - 03:34 PM)

If only we were as progressive in Bea Arthur's day as we are now.


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#1 Walky

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 10:51 AM



This is something that we've brainstormed on the Allspark a few times. So say there's a toy of Hot Shot. Hot Shot gets redecoed as Springer.
Evac also gets redecoed as Springer. It's happened!

But does that mean that through the transitive property, Hasbro could do a Hot Shot from an Evac or vice versa, and it would be totally valid?
What if we take that to extremes?

What happens is that we have this chart. Because taking things to extremes is what fans do best!

And it's an idea that me and my friends have nurtured from time to time. It's a geeky idea. How else could we know that a redeco of Shockwave
into Small Foot is a valid idea? But then Shellspark had to go and start making a chart. And that's when jive got real. He had some different
rules from mine, so I made my own chart, with my own rules. He should post his chart in this thread as well. One thing I like about his rules is
that, since he includes some cross-univeral doppelgangers as the same guy, he can travel from G1 Soundwave to Cybertron Soundwave and
from him to alllllll of the jets. It's amaaazing. You can also get to Animated with those rules.

But this is my chart. #wiigii! and LiquidVelcro! helped me fill a few holes in it, and, of course, Tfwiki is always
a helpful resource.

And here is Sam's chart, moved here from page 3:

Edited by Code of Walky, 18 February 2011 - 04:49 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:05 AM

This is magnificent.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:07 AM

I only wish this was in HTML so I could easily Ctrl+F it. <3 otherwise.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:12 AM

I feel like Kevin Bacon should be on this chart somewhere.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:13 AM

Awesome stuff and I often think of these relations from time to time when thinking of possible redecos/retools.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:18 AM

I've removed the cross-continuity jumps on mine for a few reasons. First, I was having a hard time coming up with a good way to clearly and consistently show the jump that was being made. Second, it was taking a little too much room and I wanted to keep the chart to a more easily navigatable size (I did, however, keep an expanded version for my own amusement). And, finally, the cross-continuity jumps were often unneccesary, either connecting two characters who had other paths between them or only bringing in a few more characters. I wasn't sure it was worth it just to, say, bring Arcee, Tarantulus, Black Arachnia and Crystal Widow into the collective. The Soundwave example is really the only link that would have been of any note.

Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


KITTY WARS!

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:22 AM

Hurrah, other people have thought about this.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:26 AM

This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids

Edited by Daytonus, 17 February 2011 - 11:29 AM.


#9 ExVee

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:30 AM

I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:43 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.


Supposedly, all Sideways are the same guy, so...

Also, I'd lose my chance to see Cybertron Sideways as Big Bird Circuit if we took that out.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:44 AM

My mind, she is blown. my eyes, they bleeds.

My wiki sense, it tingles.

Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?
Clearing out some old TFs and Mugenbine in my BST Thread. You know you want some of these.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:50 AM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:52 AM

QUOTE(Vestras @ Feb 17 2011, 04:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Is there a bit I missed to explain the color coding?


Well, if I'm reading it right:

Red = G1
Teal = G2
Green = Beast Era
Yellow = RiD
Blue = Unicron Trilogy
Purple-pink = Universe
Pink = Movie
Lavender = Shattered Glass

(I am in awe.)

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 11:56 AM

QUOTE(ExVee @ Feb 17 2011, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm pretty sure the Sideways cluster over there is breaking Rule 3.



Yeah, counting original Sideways as ROTF Sideways doesn't quite seem to fit in with that rule.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:12 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Oh right, I forgot that dude wasn't actually released. My bad.

Really, I just want to get to Skids somehow. Hehe.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Feb 17 2011, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This loop may be already be in there and I'm missing it, but I figured out how to get from Optimus Prime to a host of other characters, through Sports Label:

Optimus Prime<-> Megatron (via Sports Label) <-> Starscream + Jetfire (via Legends) <-> Silverbolt (Legends) <-> Skyjack (ultra) <-> Air Raid (cyberjet) <-> Cyb Soundwave (legends) -> Uni Blaster/Binaltech -> Skids


How do you get from Megatron to Starscream?

There was no official Starscream toy released under Sports Label. (And Sports Label is how we got from Optimus Prime to Starscream in the first place.)


Depending how you treat G2 Dreadwing. And depending on your classification of "released"...

G1 Megatron --> G2 Megatron--> G2 Dreadwing --> G1 Darkwing --> Universe Ultra Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Silverbolt --> Universe Legends Starscream -- > G1 Starscream

Edited by NightViper, 17 February 2011 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:24 PM

G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:31 PM

QUOTE(Daytonus @ Feb 17 2011, 12:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G2 Dreadwing to Darkwing is a repurpose, isn't it?


That one's fuzzy. It's possible Furman didn't realize that the toy's name belonged to the Darkwing/Dreadwind combiner rather than to Darkwing, and so in his mind he was just upgrading one guy to his new body. An accidental repurposing. That one's up to personal interpretation, I'd say.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE(shellspark @ Feb 17 2011, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Unfortunately, photobucket downsizes my chart upon uploading so it's nigh unreadable.


Email it to me (wiigii at gmail) and I'll upload it to my site for you.

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Posted 17 February 2011 - 01:28 PM

Do you care about corrections and additions? (E.g. some arrows are pointing the wrong way and Cybertron Scourge was also redecoed into RID Bruticus.)