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@  Cyoti : (21 November 2019 - 12:14 PM)

And Ginrai aka "Magnus Prime, Metalhawk, "Liokaiser", etc. The real characters that Warden actually doesn't know about are the late EuroUK characters like the Turbomasters/Predators

@  Sabrblade : (21 November 2019 - 11:06 AM)

Warden and Friends did give us a Lione (Sawback) and a Shuffler

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 November 2019 - 07:26 AM)

Or prominently featured in IDW, or an easy repaint of an existing toy.

@  Paladin : (21 November 2019 - 07:12 AM)

was she in the first 3 seasons of the cartoon? If not then she's on no one's list because they don't think she exists.

@  Cyoti : (20 November 2019 - 11:23 PM)

It's probably stuck on the low priority end of Warden's to-do list.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 November 2019 - 10:45 PM)

Because the only full-body Nightbeat was that Bumblebee with a new head one.

@  Bass X0 : (20 November 2019 - 04:14 PM)

Why has there been no new Minerva toys? I’m surprised at Takara. The Titan Master head doesn’t count.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

On my shelf I have Ginrai donning the Star Convoy armor.

@  Liege : (19 November 2019 - 07:42 AM)

That he is.

@  Benbot : (18 November 2019 - 04:01 PM)

And a good boy

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 09:19 AM)

Hound is at least a very good toy.

@  ThunderWear : (18 November 2019 - 09:11 AM)

Hound is the only other one that even comes close to Chromia in my area, and he ships in two separate waves.

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

This might be how they finally get rid of all the Chromias. I've not seen a shelfwarmer like that in ages.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 08:26 PM)

It's a good deal if you want a full set of Refraktor (and if they have them at your location)

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2019 - 04:43 PM)

Here we can buy two and get one free, but at least two of them are gonna be the same toy, because lol distribution.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 01:01 PM)

In the U.K., it’s more like you but two, you only get one given how expensive they are.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Transformers are Buy 2 Get 1 free at Target this week.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 04:29 AM)

2019 has been one long South Park episode.

@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."


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#61 Creedence

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Jan 7 2011, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Who gets the final say? Majority vote?


I'm not sure why you're pursuing this expert/non-expert dichotomy. It's been explained numerous times in this thread that the information on Wikipedia is theoretically based on information found in reliable sources. What an expert says doesn't matter. What the sources say does.

Anybody can claim to be an expert. Sources are harder to falsify.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:33 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As the person who got the Timelines page deleted, I'd like to say some things.

I always saw Timelines as an "exclusive" thing, meaning that fewer people will be familiar with it, compared to other Transformers toylines.


There is a flaw in your logic. Obviously any subset of something will be LESS popular than the set as a whole, by definition. Question is... is the subset notable in itself. Pete pointed out that the 2010 Timelines comic was among the top 25 small publisher comics for the month it was released sorta proves you wrong huh? Someone other than a few hardcore Transformers fans are buying it.

I also don't see the proccupation on whether Shattered Glass is notable. it's just ONE YEARS STORY. Another year was a prequel to Beast Wars, another year a sequel to the Marvel Transformers G1 comic, etc. Even if Shattered Glass isn't notable, it's a subset of the subset!

Edited by mignash, 07 January 2011 - 04:35 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 7 2011, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There is a flaw in your logic. Obviously any subset of something will be LESS popular than the set as a whole, by definition. Question is... is the subset notable in itself. Pete pointed out that the 2010 Timelines comic was among the top 25 small publisher comics for the month it was released sorta proves you wrong huh? Someone other than a few hardcore Transformers fans are buying it.
Given how small "small publishers" tend to be, being in the top 25 doesn't necessarily mean anyone other than "a few hardcore Transformers fans are buying it. I strongly dispute this assertion, let alone its relevance.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 05:13 PM

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We have sold Tens of Thousands of items with the "Timelines logo" on it to both TF fans and the general public.


I don't think "Tens of Thousands" is very impressive if this is about an entire product line. With any regular non-exclusive TF stuff, wouldn't you expect just a single toy would easily get sold in that kind of numbers?

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 8 2011, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also don't see the proccupation on whether Shattered Glass is notable. it's just ONE YEARS STORY. Another year was a prequel to Beast Wars, another year a sequel to the Marvel Transformers G1 comic, etc. Even if Shattered Glass isn't notable, it's a subset of the subset!

I never argued wether or not Shattered Glass is in itself notable. I said that it does not seem to have "become a pop culture staple" as Pete described.

Edited by Item42, 07 January 2011 - 05:26 PM.


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Thank god for TFWiki.


I'd thank Walky but there's not much of a difference.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:02 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE([email protected] @ Jan 8 2011, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We have sold Tens of Thousands of items with the "Timelines logo" on it to both TF fans and the general public.


I don't think "Tens of Thousands" is very impressive if this is about an entire product line. With any regular non-exclusive TF stuff, wouldn't you expect just a single toy would easily get sold in that kind of numbers?

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 8 2011, 05:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I also don't see the proccupation on whether Shattered Glass is notable. it's just ONE YEARS STORY. Another year was a prequel to Beast Wars, another year a sequel to the Marvel Transformers G1 comic, etc. Even if Shattered Glass isn't notable, it's a subset of the subset!

I never argued wether or not Shattered Glass is in itself notable. I said that it does not seem to have "become a pop culture staple" as Pete described.


First, note that Timelines appears on box sets of toys. When you break it down by figure, we have produced hundreds of thousands of toys. So yes, that is impressive. Second, Timelines is one of the longest lasting lines produced within the brand. We are entering our sixth year.

I really don't want to argue about whether the product line produced by the company I work for should be on Wikipedia. I simply went there to reference something and was surprised that the article had been deleted.

I will be honest in saying I do not understand whatever standards you use. Timelines has been sold both online and in physical locations throughout the country and world. Takara has referenced things we have introduced through the Prose. TF Animated homaged two of our toys on the Animated cartoon. Shattered Glass is mentioned here:
http://en.wikipedia....similar_stories

I really could go on and on, but again, I am just merely saying I am surprised that the official offering of Hasbro's Transformers Collectors' Club does not deserve to have info available to the general web viewing public.

Edited by [email protected], 07 January 2011 - 06:03 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:17 PM

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First, note that Timelines appears on box sets of toys. When you break it down by figure, we have produced hundreds of thousands of toys. So yes, that is impressive. Second, Timelines is one of the longest lasting lines produced within the brand. We are entering our sixth year.

I really don't want to argue about whether the product line produced by the company I work for should be on Wikipedia. I simply went there to reference something and was surprised that the article had been deleted.

I will be honest in saying I do not understand whatever standards you use. Timelines has been sold both online and in physical locations throughout the country and world. Takara has referenced things we have introduced through the Prose. TF Animated homaged two of our toys on the Animated cartoon. Shattered Glass is mentioned here:
http://en.wikipedia....similar_stories

I really could go on and on, but again, I am just merely saying I am surprised that the official offering of Hasbro's Transformers Collectors' Club does not deserve to have info available to the general web viewing public.


Shattered Glass getting mentioned on one page does not mean that Timelines deserves it's own article. Also, the references and homages you given are still within Transformers, so that says nothing about how it means anything outside the TF community and certainly does not show that Timelines stuff is a "pop culture staple".

Regarding my misconception on the availability of Timelines, well, I live in an area were you don't really get many TF comic books (not gonna specify where in the world, though). And considering how I don't see any Timelines on retail on Amazon.com (the ones on sale are user-generated sales, not from the distributors) or the "graphic novels" section on BigBadToyStore, I may get the impression that Timelines simply isn't available outside the fanclub website. Anyway, even if I was wrong about some things, it seems that Timelines still isn't notable enough for it's own WP article. Also, if you look here, Mignash already pointed out my mistake in the first "Deletion" discussion. And even that wasn't enough to convince people that the subject was notable. After the closing admin found out that "Divebomb" was a sockpuppet of a banned user, the closing admin decided to close as delete. Timelines was then put on deletion review and an admin decided to restore the page an start a new discussion not messed up by sockpuppets, and that discussion was closed as delete. On the second deletion review, people are still against recreation of the article.

And regarding the question posed by Pete on wether or not I'm "a Transformers person". Well, I kinda am. I know more TF stuff than most people. I'm not very active in the fandom since I usually have nothing good to add to discussions taking place. But I'm not really gonna tell much more about myself for now.

Edited by Item42, 07 January 2011 - 06:39 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:34 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, the references and homages you given are still within Transformers, so that says nothing about how it means anything outside the TF community and certainly does not show that Timelines stuff is a "pop culture staple".

See my post you ignored: http://www.allspark....s...t&p=1725799

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not very active in the fandom since I usually have nothing good to add to discussions taking place.

Considering you're the same one who also did more asking annoying questions on the Wiki about our policy which showed you didn't take the time to actually learn how things worked before being pesty... yeah, I agree with that sentiment. And, oh look, that's more or less exactly what you're doing here, too.

I don't know if Timelines really is impossible to show as being notable per Wikipedia's guidelines, but I do know many of the arguments you're making are kind of clueless.

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And considering how I don't see any Timelines on retail on Amazon.com (the ones on sale are user-generated sales, not from the distributors) or the "graphic novels" section on BigBadToyStore, I may get the impression that Timelines simply isn't available outside the fanclub website.

Because there's only one FunPub Comic TPB at the moment--Balancing Act--and it's currently out of print as far as I am aware. Places like Amazon, BBTS, etc. don't sell individual comic issues; those are almost always only sold through speciality comic shops and the publisher's own website. IDW's individual comic issues work exactly the same way.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:39 PM

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Shattered Glass getting mentioned on one page does not mean that Timelines deserves it's own article.


No, you are right. But that is just one of many references across the web.

And, I am sorry, because Amazon and BBTS does not carry the comic, that means what? The comic appears on Diamonds distribution list. Just through Diamond alone, we sold about 25,000 copies. Nothing to write home about, but nothing to scoff at as well. The comic appears on comic shelves throughout the country. Online, just search "Transformers Timelines comic for sale"

Since when are published works not notable?

Edited by [email protected], 07 January 2011 - 06:41 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:46 PM

QUOTE(Jeysie @ Jan 8 2011, 07:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, the references and homages you given are still within Transformers, so that says nothing about how it means anything outside the TF community and certainly does not show that Timelines stuff is a "pop culture staple".

See my post you ignored: http://www.allspark....s...t&p=1725799

I saw your post and it mentioned stuff on Deviantart. Not really proof. Perhaps a website that is a reference source of internet culture, like a website that records memes or somethin? That would do much better. Found nothin on Knowyourmeme.com as I mentioned. If it is any part of pop culture, it seems to be a really minor one.

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QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 06:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not very active in the fandom since I usually have nothing good to add to discussions taking place.

Considering you're the same one who also did more asking annoying questions on the Wiki about our policy which showed you didn't take the time to actually learn how things worked before being pesty... yeah, I agree with that sentiment. And, oh look, that's more or less exactly what you're doing here, too.

Regarding that, well, some of those things I asked about weren't actually spelled out on TF Wiki's guideline pages at the time, like wether or not Shattered Glass is a continuity "family" or just a subset of G1. As I recall, the SG article even had "Generation 1 continuity family" on it's navbox, while character articles said "Shattered Glass continuity family". "Ignore all standards" does not mean putting up contradicting descriptions.

Edited by Item42, 07 January 2011 - 06:53 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:07 PM

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I saw your post and it mentioned stuff on Deviantart. Not really proof.

deviantART is a well-known art community outside of the TF niche fansites. Uh, how is that not proof that SG has wider exposure than the main "TF community"? (I don't know if it's sufficient proof, but it's definitely A proof.)

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 06:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Perhaps a website that is a reference source of internet culture, like a website that records memes or somethin? That would do much better. Found nothin on Knowyourmeme.com as I mentioned. If it is any part of pop culture, it seems to be a really minor one.

I already covered this in my other post:
QUOTE(Jeysie @ Jan 7 2011, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And they also should accept that for niche concepts, the fansites and industry sites ARE the knowledgeable sources. Places like the New York Times ain't going to write about comics or toys, but that doesn't mean that comics and toys are a subject that nobody's interested in. It just means those types of concerns have their own dedicated news sites separate from the mainstream media.

Granted, it's not like I don't know Wikipedia's guidelines are stupid and illogical and ignorant of how things actually are structured, and thus they're not going to budge; I'm just kind of puzzled that you seem to be acting like you don't realize they are stupid and illogical and ignorant.

QUOTE(Jeysie @ Jan 7 2011, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As I recall, the SG article even had "Generation 1 continuity family" on it's navbox, while character articles said "Shattered Glass continuity family". "Ignore all standards" does not mean putting up contradicting descriptions.

And I thoroughly explained how it's not actually contradictory. We put up that notice because in-universe it's part of the G1 continuity family, but out-of-universe we structure it as if it were its own family because otherwise chronicling it would have been misleading at best.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:20 PM

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Granted, it's not like I don't know Wikipedia's guidelines are stupid and illogical and ignorant of how things actually are structured, and thus they're not going to budge; I'm just kind of puzzled that you seem to be acting like you don't realize they are stupid and illogical and ignorant.


Well, WP's rules mostly work considering it's aim. They would be "stupid and illogical" if it's not helping them be what they wish to be. As in, a website that leaves out a lot of information. Perhaps their mission is "stupid and illogical". Anyway, I don't think niche sites are prohibited. It's just that many sites have no fact checkers. Then again, there does seem to be people who seem totally opposed to anything fan oriented. I remember one person linked something called "WP:FANSITES" when calling a source unreliable, even though WP:FANSITES is part of their external links policy, not their reliable sources policy. But that seems more a problem with the people than the rules. I don't really know much about the Pat Lee stuff though, but I guess statements from people who worked for him would make it hard to keep the article neutral.
QUOTE(Jeysie @ Jan 8 2011, 08:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And I thoroughly explained how it's not actually contradictory. We put up that notice because in-universe it's part of the G1 continuity family, but out-of-universe we structure it as if it were its own family because otherwise chronicling it would have been misleading at best.

So, navboxes are in-universe?

Edited by Item42, 07 January 2011 - 07:32 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:29 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't really know much about the Pat Lee stuff though, but I guess statements from people who work for him would make it hard to keep the article neutral.

If you knew much of anything about the Pat Lee stuff, you'd know that "work for him" bit should have been in the past tense. But, yes, neutrality is difficult when it comes to Lee.

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QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't really know much about the Pat Lee stuff though, but I guess statements from people who work for him would make it hard to keep the article neutral.

If you knew much of anything about the Pat Lee stuff, you'd know that "work for him" bit should have been in the past tense. But, yes, neutrality is difficult when it comes to Lee.

Fixed that. It was more of a typo or somethin. I have read the TFWiki articles on Dreamwave and Lee at least once.

Edited by Item42, 07 January 2011 - 07:33 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:34 PM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, I don't see where someone would get the impression that Shattered Glass has "become a pop culture staple". There doesn't seem to be any Shattered Glass memes on Knowyourmeme.com, and the TV Tropes page does mention that most people aren't even aware that some of the stories on the fan club website are set in the SG universe.


I must be really out of the loop... that's the measure of pop culture these days? I thought it was being on YO! MTV Raps.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 08:03 PM

QUOTE(TC Interbot @ Jan 8 2011, 08:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, I don't see where someone would get the impression that Shattered Glass has "become a pop culture staple". There doesn't seem to be any Shattered Glass memes on Knowyourmeme.com, and the TV Tropes page does mention that most people aren't even aware that some of the stories on the fan club website are set in the SG universe.


I must be really out of the loop... that's the measure of pop culture these days? I thought it was being on YO! MTV Raps.




Well, I just used knowyourmeme as an example. It has more lenient notability requirements than Wikipedia. It's more like, "if that something's not accepted there, it's certainly not gonna be accepted on WP" , kinda thing.

Anyway, regardless of all the errors made during the deletion discussions, the main point still stands. That the "reliable" third-party sources do not tell very much about Timelines, which was the main reason to get the article deleted. Plus, it wasn't just the people who voted delete that got things wrong, over here, Mignash apparently claimed that Master Collector was third party, even though the mastercollector site disclaimer mentions that it's run b y Fun Publications.

Furthermore, sorry for any offense that I caused. I was just enforcing the rules of one website unto itself. Nothing wrong there. If you don't like Wikipedia, well, you have a right to. That site is far from perfect. But within WP itself, attempting to delete articles on the basis of (lack of) notability is something pretty natural and should be taken as an attempt to improve the website.
QUOTE([email protected] @ Jan 8 2011, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I really could go on and on, but again, I am just merely saying I am surprised that the official offering of Hasbro's Transformers Collectors' Club does not deserve to have info available to the general web viewing public.

Timelines does "deserve to have info available to the general web viewing public". Just doesn't deserve an article in Wikipedia. Being removed from Wikipedia does not prevent people from learning sbout something. There are other websites that cover this stuff. TV Tropes for example has pages on the different Fun Pub universes. Which won't be deleted for notability issues, since that's what TV Tropes is for.

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#78 Petes Robot Con

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 04:55 AM

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Timelines does "deserve to have info available to the general web viewing public". Just doesn't deserve an article in Wikipedia. Being removed from Wikipedia does not prevent people from learning sbout something. There are other websites that cover this stuff. TV Tropes for example has pages on the different Fun Pub universes. Which won't be deleted for notability issues, since that's what TV Tropes is for.


I guess I am just confused. Timelines is a franchise that offers a toyline AND a comic series. I mean, does every single aspect of a line have to be reviewed for it to be notable? There are interviews and reviews online from non-tf sites. It is sold on store shelves to the general public. Characters inspired by the line have appeared on TV. Again, just very odd standards...



#79 LBD "Nytetrayn"

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 05:59 AM

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In case anyone is wondering, all of the above is why TFWiki.net exists. Just... this. Wikipedia has been consistently stupid about Transformers, and we decided we could do it better.


Kinda like the Mega Man Universe wiki on TheMMNetwork.com. Except TFWiki was probably more of an inspiration than Wikipedia.

I wonder if they're still grouping the Devils into their made-up "Bio Devil" group classification...

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#80 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 08 January 2011 - 06:02 AM

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QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 7 2011, 08:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Timelines does "deserve to have info available to the general web viewing public". Just doesn't deserve an article in Wikipedia. Being removed from Wikipedia does not prevent people from learning sbout something. There are other websites that cover this stuff. TV Tropes for example has pages on the different Fun Pub universes. Which won't be deleted for notability issues, since that's what TV Tropes is for.


I guess I am just confused. Timelines is a franchise that offers a toyline AND a comic series. I mean, does every single aspect of a line have to be reviewed for it to be notable? There are interviews and reviews online from non-tf sites. It is sold on store shelves to the general public. Characters inspired by the line have appeared on TV. Again, just very odd standards...

Timelines-inspired stuff appearing in other TF media does not establish notability. It needs stuff entirely unaffiliated with Timelines, as in, not Transformers. Saying that Timelines stuff was in other TF media is as relevant as citing the Tsukasa Kadoya character as proof of notability for the Kamen Rider Spirits manga.

Also, what's required is extensive coverage. The "reliable" reviews found didn't have any plot synopsis, so the coverage is not "extensive".

And, to Jeysie, several dozen people on deviantart does not prove SG to be a significant pop culture thing. There's lots of artwork of the "Slender man" character, propagating the figure as an internet icon. Does that make him, a "pop culture staple"? Are Fate/stay night characters significant in pop culture just because people tend to throw around the word "GAR" as an adjective? Is the "My Immortal" fanfic story (and others like it) some major pop culture thing because of all the people reading it on Youtube?