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@  MEDdMI : (19 April 2019 - 09:21 PM)

oof, yikes. Good luck.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 April 2019 - 09:18 PM)

We're in the middle of a kitchen reno and NOTHING will be done until tuesday. I could beat a four day weekend with a hammer right now if it meant I could use my stove again.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

Can't beat 4 day weekends either.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 April 2019 - 06:47 PM)

I prefer later shifts myself, but my 3 day weekend shift isn't bad. Nice to work without those administration busy bodies poking around.

@  Nevermore : (19 April 2019 - 04:12 AM)

Yeah, traffic is a plus as well. Rarely got any trouble getting to work on late shift (even with the neverending construction site on the highway), and when my shift is over, there's hardly any traffic at all anymore.

@  MEDdMI : (18 April 2019 - 06:27 PM)

while I don't have weekends consistently off, working 2nd shift isn't so bad. I'm more likely to do stuff before work than after (when I'm already tired). Plus no rush hour traffic

@  TM2-Megatron : (18 April 2019 - 05:03 PM)

Switching shifts constantly is never good for one's health. There was a time when I worked overnights steady for about 2 years; did wonders for my health, as well

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Don't miss early shift (and especially switching back and forth every two weeks) a bit.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:36 PM)

Man, permanent late shift really has done wonders for my overal well-being. Never having to get up early for work, staying up late, weekends off... a ot of my coworkers think I'm crazy, but late shift is really my preferred shift.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

(My total lack of sleep on that day might have contributed, though.)

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

At noon, it was warm.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:33 PM)

On Monday, we went on strike early in the morning, I was also wearing to jackets and gloves and my toes and fingers were freezing.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 April 2019 - 04:31 PM)

Nope, right now my days are doing that. Frigid at night (Well, just below zero, but still.) and warm enough to be always be ill prepared during the day.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:28 PM)

Today it's so warm I had to take a shower to wash off the sweat after a lengthy bike trip.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

This past Friday I was wearing two jackets and winter gloves outside and took a hot bath when I returned home.

@  Nevermore : (18 April 2019 - 04:27 PM)

Is "April weather" an issue in other countries as well, or is that specifically a German phenomenon?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Well, when you understand the history of the area it make sense. It's basically a series of countries buying the place, moving in, saying "we rule you people now", and the locals shrugging and responding, "okay, you have fun with that".

@  Sabrblade : (16 April 2019 - 07:58 AM)

When did we all turn into Henry Higgins?

@  unluckiness : (16 April 2019 - 03:16 AM)

To be fair, most Americans can't get the hang of English, so I can understand why.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:15 AM)

(And yeah, Calliope is a Greek muse, not French, but the street was named BY the French when they took over.)

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 April 2019 - 03:10 AM)

In New Orleans there's a bunch of streets with French names that are pronounced by locals with a more English emphasis, for example "Calliope Street" is pronounced "CAL-lee-ope".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 11:56 PM)

I figured as much for Canadians.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 11:37 PM)

hm; whenever I've heard people talk about the school they said it the same way as the cathedral...but I guess that's in Canada, so they're probably more familiar with the cathedral than the school

@  Dracula : (15 April 2019 - 11:11 PM)

There's plenty of place names in the US like that. Around here we have an "el doh-RAY-doh," and up north there's a Cairo that's pronounced "kay-roh"

@  RichardT1977 : (15 April 2019 - 09:56 PM)

Yeah, the common pronunciation of the University is probably the reason most Americans don't pronounce the Cathedral name correctly.

@  Arazyr : (15 April 2019 - 08:03 PM)

That's my understanding of how the two are supposed to be pronounced as well.

@  Echowarrior : (15 April 2019 - 07:42 PM)

When I'm talking about the cathedral, I say "noh-treh dahme". When I talk about the university, I say "noh-ter dayme". I don't see a problem with that.

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 06:26 PM)

guessing "Hunchback" just got bumped WAY down the list for Disney's live-action remakes...

@  Patch : (15 April 2019 - 05:56 PM)

We all pronounce it wrong, so no one knows enough to care.

@  TM2-Megatron : (15 April 2019 - 05:40 PM)

It'd be odd for most Americans not to know how to pronounce Notre Dame, considering they have a University with the same name that's the subject of a relatively popular film based around a sport most Americans love

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Three or four more hours will be needed to contain the fire.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 04:22 PM)

Update from France 24: the Paris Fire Brigade says two towers and the main structure of the cathedral have been saved from complete destruction.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:57 PM)

One does not have to speak French to know that rhyming with "voter name" is off the mark.

@  Locoman : (15 April 2019 - 03:51 PM)

Really? It's an international tragedy and you're zeroing in on the people who maybe don't speak French?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:44 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I just read on BBC News that the cause is not yet clear, but officials suspect the fire could be linked to renovation work.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (15 April 2019 - 03:42 PM)

Oh boy, here we go with the U.S.-American newscasters who can't pronounce "Notre Dame" correctly.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 April 2019 - 03:38 PM)

Too soon to say.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 April 2019 - 03:20 PM)

Do we know if it was an attack? Arson? Or just bad wiring?

@  Nevermore : (15 April 2019 - 02:10 PM)

Religion is dead?

@  Paladin : (15 April 2019 - 02:01 PM)

major cathedral burning down on Holy Week is some kind of metaphor.

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:54 PM)

Hard to believe a wonder of the world could just be wiped out so easily. Hopefully they can still save it

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Well, Notre Dame is burning down

@  Benbot : (15 April 2019 - 10:05 AM)

yikes I thought the site was going to be down for a while

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:07 PM)

So, time for another strike. No sleep for me tonight. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:04 PM)

Think Game of Thrones "light" meets Cabaret and you get the idea.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 09:03 PM)

Kinda sorta, just with more intrigue, conspiracy, depravity, crime and violence.

@  RichardT1977 : (14 April 2019 - 06:37 PM)

So it's like a prequel to Cabaret?

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 04:02 PM)

And man, characters are smoking literally EVERYWHERE.

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:27 PM)

Also, full frontal male nudity. (There's been quite a bit of female nudity since episode 1.)

@  Nevermore : (14 April 2019 - 03:26 PM)

Episode 6, and Hitler is randomly name-checked.


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#21 Daggor

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:28 PM

Egad, What a mess. I mean, it's Wikipedia. If it's true, keep it in.
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:44 PM

QUOTE(Chip @ Jan 6 2011, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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?comment - Really, are they distributed through general comic book retail? My search on Amazon.com didn't find any f them on retail, only user-generated sales of the comics. NotARealWord (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


That guy's just ignorant of how comics are distributed. Would Previews qualify as an independent source? I can't speak to whether an individual Transformers franchise merits its own page, but there is a lot of information about Timelines that definitely belongs on Wikipedia.

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Wait, they deleted Slag? Because of his name I assume?


Eh, he's a minor character from a media franchise. I love him, but it's true. It sucks that the Timelines info is getting caught in the crossfire, but there's a good reason why so many other TF pages are being purged; there are far too many of them for a general knowledge wiki.


Yes, but as I said Grimlock passed on being notable. So where is the line? It seems to vary with the whim of who arrives to vote on a deletion nomination day to day. Grimlock is publically notable, Slag isn't. Bonecrusher is, and Long Haul isn't.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 09:54 PM


I have to admit that by the standards of Wikipedia's stupid, disrespectful, anti-knowledge rules, Timelines is really not notable and would warrant deletion.

We are talking about a website that deleted the G1 cartoon. If you seriously thought Shattered Glass Cyclonus was going to be tolerated there you were kidding yourself. It's better off not there anyway, now it can get out of the abusive relationship.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:03 PM

Don't know why you're bothering so much with wikipedia, mignash. Its just not worth the trouble.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:08 PM

Wikipedia is where you go when you needta learn about something, but you don't really wanna learn about something.

Honestly, Pete, I'd let it go, were I you. Anyone who reaallly wants to find ya's gonna do so without Wikipedantic's help.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 10:20 PM

If it helps, there is still an article on Botcon, but they made us remove the list of of Botcon toys from the article.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:11 PM

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Wikipedia is where you go when you needta learn about something, but you don't really wanna learn about something.

Honestly, Pete, I'd let it go, were I you. Anyone who reaallly wants to find ya's gonna do so without Wikipedantic's help.

(Google search for 'Transformers Timelines' will make the club site top dog once the Wiki article dies forevermore.)


I am not that worried about it as I have read on. I have heard the stories though, and I am just am still surprised that there is a group editing subject matter when they don't actually know the subject matter thoroughly.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:26 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 6 2011, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are talking about a website that deleted the G1 cartoon.

Wait...what???
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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:40 PM


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QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 6 2011, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are talking about a website that deleted the G1 cartoon.

Wait...what???


There used to be individual pages for the G1 episodes, until the "notability" infection took over.

#30 CORVUS

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 11:40 PM

Ahhh, I see.

Dumbasses.
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Posted 07 January 2011 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 6 2011, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(^o^CORVUS^o^ @ Jan 7 2011, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jan 6 2011, 09:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
We are talking about a website that deleted the G1 cartoon.
Wait...what???
There used to be individual pages for the G1 episodes, until the "notability" infection took over.
Which makes perfect sense. Once again, general knowledge. An article about the series is sufficient. You don't need nearly 100 additional pages to pick over each individual plot. If you want episode synopsis and character appearances and so on, you're already on the internet. You'll find TFwiki, which specifically caters to the crowd who wants minutiae of the sort that Wikipedia simply isn't designed to provide.

Of course, I say this knowing full well that there's individual episode pages for Simpsons, Family Guy, Doctor Who, Star Trek, and many more... but even having referred to those pages in several occasions, I say without reservation that I'd support their deletion in a heartbeat. Every episode of every popular series is not automatically notable for encyclopedic inclusion. Again, that's why fan guides and wikis and other supporting stuff exist outside it (and more to the point, why they should). Keep in mind that even TFwiki has its own standards for notability and has tossed things that don't fit their criteria.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 02:34 AM

So what if you take up a teraquad of server space with TF information is that not the total goal of wiki anyway?
As long as its acurate and factual

I don't want a data base where I look something up and all it says is yep it did exsist at one point
And then a string of refrance links ..that's dumb I want spasific info like Airwolf ep 2 had stock footage from milatariy training videos

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:29 AM

Eesh, and yet they ask for donations... not sure how inclined I am on that front.

Still, if they gave a good general overview, and linked to something like TFWiki, that might be good enough for me.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 03:35 AM

In case anyone is wondering, all of the above is why TFWiki.net exists. Just... this. Wikipedia has been consistently stupid about Transformers, and we decided we could do it better.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 04:17 AM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 7 2011, 12:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, the page was frequently sabotaged and harassed by tfwiki and Allspark member Blackout, who runs a series of sock puppet accounts on Wikipedia.


Clearly you are blind. I was attempting to keep the page, and it would have been kept.

The initial result of the first debate was no consensus, default to keep. Then my account got revealed as a sock and my vote was discounted.

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We are talking about a website that deleted the G1 cartoon.

Wait...what???


There used to be individual pages for the G1 episodes, until the "notability" infection took over.


I just took a look at the article histories for the redirected G1 episode pages.

I was not surprised in the slightest when I saw who had done the redirecting.

The man was a menace back in the day. If it was fictional and didn't have at least 576 reliable sources talking about it, it was doomed, no matter how many people disagreed.

Edited by -Blackout-, 07 January 2011 - 04:23 AM.


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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:12 AM

QUOTE([email protected] @ Jan 7 2011, 05:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I am not that worried about it as I have read on. I have heard the stories though, and I am just am still surprised that there is a group editing subject matter when they don't actually know the subject matter thoroughly.


Their reasoning is that someone who's an expert in a field is too deeply invested ("biased") in it to properly judge what's of interest to a general audience and what's irrelevant, whereas someone who doesn't know much about the subject can evaluate mass appeal more "objectively".

In addition, they argue that you're not really an "expert" in Transformers unless you have an university degree in Transformology and have written at least three scientific publications on the subject.

Edited by Nevermore, 07 January 2011 - 06:18 AM.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 06:43 AM

Also up is down, black is white, and Wikipedia is an ivory tower whose virginity must be protected from the unwashed and trivial with eternal vigilance.


ZacWilliam, may have mixed a metaphore in there.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:09 AM

If anyone has any actual reliable third party citations to add to the Timelines or Fun Publications pages besides Pete and I, I'd love to see them. Particularly news articles, books NOT licensed by Hasbro, or magazines.

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Posted 07 January 2011 - 07:29 AM

Isn't this the point of the TFWiki? I mean, if everything was just on Wikipedia, why have our own separate Wiki?

Wikipedia simply can't have a page for every tiny remote thing that ever happened or existed. It just isn't realistic for numerous reasons. Wherever they draw the line, someone is unhappy. They are a great resource but it is best they do not become more omnipresent than they already are.
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Thank god for TFWiki.

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