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@  Bass X0 : (20 May 2019 - 11:16 AM)

SEND THE BOOKS!!

@  Cybersnark : (20 May 2019 - 08:52 AM)

So, now that Game of Thrones is over, when can we get back to The Dragon Prince?

@  unluckiness : (20 May 2019 - 12:19 AM)

Like, half of them nowadays are montages of tweet screencaps from the writer's inbox

@  unluckiness : (20 May 2019 - 12:18 AM)

lol you expected integrity from internet news

@  fourteenwings : (19 May 2019 - 11:33 PM)

I'm mostly confused how news sites went from "Analysing all the amazingness of Game of Thrones" to "Fans sure don't like this season!", like... way to prioritize clicks over a solid editorial opinion

@  fourteenwings : (19 May 2019 - 11:30 PM)

[and there's a recurring setting of a "derelict industrial site"] is this like the Toei Quarry?

@  MEDdMI : (19 May 2019 - 11:17 PM)

@Foffy and then that giant lasagna just tipped over and killed everyone, to be later known as the infamous Bad Monday event.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 May 2019 - 10:59 PM)

Ahahaha!!! Go read the reactions for yourself. To say anything more here risks spoiling the finale for subscribing Allsparkers, the quality of this season notwithstanding.

@  Foffy : (19 May 2019 - 10:59 PM)

pretty wild how heathcliff was in the game of thrones finale, i was not expecting that crossover

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2019 - 10:48 PM)

were they still super pissed?

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 May 2019 - 10:48 PM)

Well, as someone who is not into Game of Thrones, it sure was entertaining to open up social media this evening to unexpectedly see headlines about fan reactions to the finale. Lmao.

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:12 PM)

But it's also a SUPER-well known location in my region, so these extensive exterior shots without any post production alterations completely ruin the illusion for me.

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:11 PM)

I mean, I get why they did it: It's an existing location that fits the purpose, it's open for the public, and they had to shoot some scenes in my home state anyway to due a subsidizing deal.

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Needless to say, it's not in Berlin, and even what's seen onscreen is waaaaay too modern for something that's supposed to exist in 1929 (even moreso as a derelict site in 1929). The structures seen haven't even been built until the 1960s!

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 06:07 PM)

I'm currently in the process of watching season 2 of Babylon Berlin, and there's a recurring setting of a "derelict industrial site" or whatever it's supposed to be on the show, and I easily recognize it as a place only a few minutes from where I live (it's actually a former ironworks site that's been turned into a public park).

@  Xellos : (19 May 2019 - 05:52 PM)

Ever since I went to Japan last year, I have friend who dread watching anime with me due to that...

@  Xellos : (19 May 2019 - 05:51 PM)

Not hugely, but I am the type to notice places once I have been there and say "Hey, I've been there!"

@  wonko the sane? : (19 May 2019 - 05:50 PM)

Half of new york city (on tape.) is actually montreal.

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2019 - 05:50 PM)

I watched Death Wish 5 last night and clearly recognized Toronto streets; didn't pull me out of Bronson's 1-man war on drugs or fashion or whatever it was that pissed him off that time

@  TM2-Megatron : (19 May 2019 - 05:49 PM)

it's nice to finally be thought of as exotic by somebody! lol

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 05:48 PM)

In an "I cannot possibly make my brain ignore the location I'm familiar with and pretend it's whatever the story claims it is" way?

@  Nevermore : (19 May 2019 - 05:42 PM)

Question for those of you living in exotic locations such as the US or the UK: If you watch a movie or a TV show that features a real-life location as a stand-in for someplace else, and you recognize the real-life location due to having been there in person, does that pull you out of the story?

@  Xellos : (19 May 2019 - 05:15 PM)

Maybe you should have installed macOS in your house instead.

@  Noideaforaname : (19 May 2019 - 04:40 PM)

Nothing like coming home after a long day to find a bird in the house. And then once you sit down for a well-earned rest after leading the bird back outside, you find it had a friend. A friend who *really* doesn't understand how windows work...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 May 2019 - 01:26 PM)

Bingo. The big polls don't tell people what's actually happening because that doesn't sell.

@  fourteenwings : (19 May 2019 - 10:59 AM)

IIRC there are good polls but data is easily manipulated so they give people what they want to hear

@  wonko the sane? : (19 May 2019 - 10:58 AM)

The only way to get people interested in politics is to make into reality TV. So they lie to do it.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (19 May 2019 - 01:38 AM)

Yeah, polling these days is garbage.

@  Sean Whitmore : (18 May 2019 - 11:53 PM)

Well, he was an honest man. He wasn’t gonna lie to a 5-year-old.

@  Paladin : (18 May 2019 - 08:34 PM)

Grandfather once said to me, "I'm going upstairs and hug your grandma."

@  Sabrblade : (18 May 2019 - 07:08 PM)

Mama always said that you can tell a lot 'bout a person from 'is shoes...

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 May 2019 - 03:54 PM)

Life is like a box of chocolates. Stay out of the sun or melt into a pile of gross slop.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 May 2019 - 10:26 AM)

Greasy, disappointing and still managing to be over priced?

@  Lancer : (18 May 2019 - 10:22 AM)

... Yes, it is!

@  Noideaforaname : (18 May 2019 - 09:48 AM)

Life's a fillet of fish!

@  unluckiness : (18 May 2019 - 08:53 AM)

ow the edge

@  Paladin : (18 May 2019 - 07:03 AM)

a reminder that life is an unrepentant hellscape where everyone & everything you know will eventually betray you.

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 06:45 AM)

You know, this election is what has finally broken me of any confidence at any point of pre-polling data. I mean, it's always been sketchy, but this is just... aaaargh!

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 06:08 AM)

I was going to make an Auspol election thread in P&R, but the outcome so far has made me feel physically ill.

@  Gamma V : (18 May 2019 - 03:28 AM)

Haven't been here in a long time.

@  Pennpenn : (18 May 2019 - 03:16 AM)

I have heard that, it's rather disappointing. Ah, maybe they'll just leech each others stores of "awful racist vote" and not go anywhere.

@  Trpodeca : (17 May 2019 - 11:09 PM)

I voted. Boy there are a worrying amount of parties which sound like fascists.

@  Pennpenn : (17 May 2019 - 06:55 PM)

For those in Australia, it is a federal election today. Go Vote! It's Mandatory!

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2019 - 04:19 PM)

Humor? I 'ardly know 'or!

@  wonko the sane? : (17 May 2019 - 03:51 PM)

I was intemately familiar with humour... but she just wanted to be friends...

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 May 2019 - 12:10 PM)

BZT Time out! Time out! Time ooooooouuuuuut!!!

@  unluckiness : (17 May 2019 - 08:23 AM)

Yes. Are you familiar with humor?

@  Sabrblade : (17 May 2019 - 07:50 AM)

You are familiar with The Room, yes?

@  unluckiness : (17 May 2019 - 01:14 AM)

nah, tuxedos are formal wear

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2019 - 10:38 PM)

*...while dressed in a tuxedo*


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#281 (Deactivated) mignash

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 09:20 AM

Again some people seem to be missing the point of this thread. It's not to make excuses. It's not to make individual articles for every Transformer on WIkipedia. It's to provide a wikipedia page for Fun Publications. If anyone has any sources that might help please post them. If you are going to complain about wikipedia policy or promote a fanwalky... I mean fanwiki, try another thread.

Edited by mignash, 17 January 2011 - 09:29 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE(Nevermore @ Jan 17 2011, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course, the flaw with that is what is referred to as "favor journalism" or "courtesy journalism" in German (is there an established English term?), which is becoming more and more widespread these days: As far as Wikipedia is concerned, General Motors stating "facts" about their latest car on their own website is not notable. But when General Motors has Car Magazine reiterate their "facts" in a press release barely disguised as "journalistic" coverage, it suddenly becomes notable.

What's hilarious is that this has even resulted in Wikipedia essentially money laundering unsourced facts in its articles into being "acceptably sourced": http://tech.slashdot...9/02/10/2211220

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 09:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again some people seem to be missing the point of this thread. It's not to make excuses. It's not to make individual articles for every Transformer on WIkipedia. It's to provide a wikipedia page for Fun Publications. If anyone has any sources that might help please post them. If you are going to complain about wikipedia policy or promote a fanwalky... I mean fanwiki, try another thread.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Walky... no matter how reasonable and useful a source is by rational standards, some argument will come up on how it doesn't fit Wikipedia's irrational standards. Case in point, Item42's lame excuses about how your source isn't good enough despite the fact that it does exactly what he wanted. (What the hug does a summary of the plot have to do with proving Shattered Glass exists, it's noticed outside of the fandom, and it's part of Timelines? And of course it uses the BotCon logo multiple times; when you talk about a specific event or company it's NORMAL to use their logo for brand recognition. Dur.)

Like both I and Rosicrucian have noted, there will never be a source that is iron-clad un-shoot-downable because the standard structure of print coverage of things like Transformers doesn't work the way Wikipedia expects its sources to, and they won't acknowledge that their one-size-fits-all approach is ignorant and counterproductive.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:05 PM

Yes, but how does restating the fact that Wikipedia is very arbatrary and badly run help write an article for Fun Publications. If you have some sources to add, please add them so we can reinforce the article from petty deletions. Don't tell me it can't be done, tell me how you can help get it done!

Edited by mignash, 17 January 2011 - 01:09 PM.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Don't tell me it can't be done, tell me how you can help get it done!

How do you expect any of us to help you do something that can't be done? I'm not wasting my time finding a source just so Item42 and Xaaron can give me some brain-dead, illogical reason why it's not good enough, which will be all the more annoying because they're probably right that it won't be.

Making fun of their ridiculous illogic is at least cathartic on some level.

I'm honestly not sure why you waste your time, since you'll never get anywhere.

Edited by Jeysie, 17 January 2011 - 01:16 PM.


#285 Walky

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:17 PM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. We should disengage and be more productive in other areas of our lives.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:19 PM

Pete all but actually asks for help on the Fun Pub Wikipedia article (probably since he can't be seen as orchastrating his own article), and all you people do is dismiss him and quit. That's sad.

Edited by mignash, 17 January 2011 - 01:20 PM.


#287 Jeysie

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pete all but actually asks for help on the Fun Pub Wikipedia article (probably since he can't be seen as orchastrating his own article), and all you people do is dismiss him and quit. That's sad.

What's sad is that you can't accept this is a hopeless cause.

I'm always more than willing to help Pete where I can, but this is one case where nothing can be done. I honestly don't get what help you expect us to provide when Item42 and Xaaron have made it crystal clear that every bit of possible help we could think of will be deemed not acceptable. Wave a magic wand and change reality, perhaps?

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 06:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pete all but actually asks for help on the Fun Pub Wikipedia article (probably since he can't be seen as orchastrating his own article), and all you people do is dismiss him and quit. That's sad.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pete all but actually asks for help on the Fun Pub Wikipedia article (probably since he can't be seen as orchastrating his own article), and all you people do is dismiss him and quit. That's sad.


Pete also asked that you not support knockoffs of BotCon product, but you kind of threw that back in his face, didn't you?

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE(Jeysie @ Jan 17 2011, 06:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Nevermore @ Jan 17 2011, 06:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Of course, the flaw with that is what is referred to as "favor journalism" or "courtesy journalism" in German (is there an established English term?), which is becoming more and more widespread these days: As far as Wikipedia is concerned, General Motors stating "facts" about their latest car on their own website is not notable. But when General Motors has Car Magazine reiterate their "facts" in a press release barely disguised as "journalistic" coverage, it suddenly becomes notable.

What's hilarious is that this has even resulted in Wikipedia essentially money laundering unsourced facts in its articles into being "acceptably sourced": http://tech.slashdot...9/02/10/2211220


Yup, that story caused some brief anti-Wikipedia bru-hah over here back when it happened.
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Posted 17 January 2011 - 07:16 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 06:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Again some people seem to be missing the point of this thread. It's not to make excuses. It's not to make individual articles for every Transformer on WIkipedia. It's to provide a wikipedia page for Fun Publications. If anyone has any sources that might help please post them. If you are going to complain about wikipedia policy or promote a fanwalky... I mean fanwiki, try another thread.

If people think that a Fun Publications page on Wikipedia isn't appropriate, it is wholly on-topic for them to come on and say why it isn't. If they think it is appropriate, it is wholly on-topic for them to come on and discuss the relevant Wikipedia policies that either help or hinder that goal.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 07:47 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 17 2011, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pete all but actually asks for help on the Fun Pub Wikipedia article (probably since he can't be seen as orchastrating his own article), and all you people do is dismiss him and quit. That's sad.

What's sad is that you can't let it go and accept that regardless of how much you want this, its not going to happen under the current wikipedia policies, no matter how you frame your arguments. What's sad is that you can't seem to accept that a handful of us aren't going to change wikipedia policies, because we aren't responsible for such things. What's sad is that you are trying to guilt-trip others into helping you beat your head against the wikipedia wall out of pointless stubborn pride.

So don't you dare stoop to trying these tactics with your fellow posters in an attempt to get your way. People have better things to do than waste their time on your behalf, and these attempts speak ill of you, whether or not you care.

You see how they try to justify things in this very thread: half-baked excuses, movement of the goal-posts, logical fallacies, and a dogged refusal to accept valid arguments and criticisms about how wikipedia handles pop-culture articles. Basically, no reasoning is good enough for them, because they'll just continue to do what they want and if we don't like it, that's tough. Why you persist in this is beyond me.
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