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@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.

@  Trpodeca : (07 July 2020 - 02:12 PM)

Man I just learnt about what seemed like a really cool show, only to realize it was a dream and it dosen't really exist.

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 01:02 PM)

Just something I read that I wanted to share. I heard "gray rock" mentioned in a video, so I looked it up and that was the definition.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 July 2020 - 12:20 PM)

It's a fancy way of saying "Ignore annoying people".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (07 July 2020 - 12:15 PM)

Bass XO has a habit of pasting random drivel here as if doing so were profound.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 July 2020 - 11:30 AM)

And this would be in relation to... what exactly?

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 11:25 AM)

"One strategy for dealing with a narcissist or sociopath is to act like a "gray rock," meaning that you become uninteresting and unresponsive. You don't feed their needs for drama or attention. You don't show emotion, say anything interesting, or disclose any personal information"

@  Nevermore : (06 July 2020 - 07:23 PM)

Oh wow. Studio Series Offroad Bumblebee is awesome. His articulation is amazing.

@  -LittleAutob... : (06 July 2020 - 11:18 AM)

Oof-

@  Maximus Ambus : (05 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

I got Studio Series 39 Cogman yesterday and woke up to find he'd decapitated my titans returns figures.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 July 2020 - 10:19 PM)

If I had a sarcasm powered mouth.. ooohh waaaiiittt...

@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 05:01 PM)

Heh

@  Bass X0 : (04 July 2020 - 02:56 PM)

"If I had sarcasm-powered legs, I'd do a happy dance...!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 July 2020 - 02:39 PM)

The real clones were the friends we made along the way.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 01:47 PM)

So the Emperor in episodes 1 through 6 was a clone?


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#261 GlassBeadGame

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 11 2011, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 12 2011, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your quote from the tfwiki "big-time deletion campaign." Not a campaign to correct, improve, add sources to, or clean up the articles. A campaign to delete them!

So except for the precise wording everything is true?

That, and how you seem to think all the deletion is my fault. The people on WP were already sick of the terrible articles that nobody does anything about. Sure I started getting rid of articles in large numbers, but other people already wanted to do something. I just reminded them they can/should. Also, with "campaign", I think I was describing the Claritas socks back when they still looked like different people. I said such a thing (something I couldn't find the right word to describe and decided on "campain" at some point) was going on, I didn't say I was behind it.


If you weren't embarking on a TTN-esque crusade against Transformers articles, then you shouldn't have mass-nominated more articles than anyone could reasonably source within a week (deletion discussions on WP last seven days, unless there isn't enough input to reach a decision, in which case the debate may be prolonged) and dumped links to the nominations on the talk pages of people you knew would agree and vote to delete the articles.

QUOTE(Professor @ Jan 11 2011, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, the real question is, what are people who do this trying to do. What's in it for them? I suppose the easy analysis is that it's just a power trip from internet dwellers craving some sense of authority, but I really doubt it's so simple. People don't target information for eradication randomly like that. I think it's pretty likely that this started somewhere with a po'd TF fan, who decided to use wiki to pursue a personal agenda, and everything just fell out from that.

My point is, while I suppose the wiki community can be blamed for having easily manipulated or bandwagon-y elements, I suspect the Transformers community created this problem itself. I don't think we get to be holier-than-thou to wikipedia on this, because it's probably one of our own crazies who started it.


I don't think it was a po'd Transfan. The amount of sockmasters involved (four, excluding myself) leads me to believe it was kicked off someplace with a high concentration of banned WP users. (NOT Wikipedia Review though, it's not their style and the sockmasters in question don't seem to post there.)

#262 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 12 2011, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Expelling the struggling students to improve a school's average performance" is a textbook example of manufacturing superficial improvement while not actually improving anything. If you're arguing that people are really trying to improve Wikipedia by nominating articles for deletion, then that's a terrible analogy to use.

Notice the quote marks. I just copy-pasted somebody else's analogy.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:05 PM

For anyone interested, the magazine I bought because it had an article on the 2008 Timelines set I might use as a source arrived today. Talks about the set as a whole, talks about the plot of the accompanying comic, mentions "TIMELINES" in the picture. The set received an award as "Action Figure Digest Hot Pick" for the month. Does have a typo (it's "small baNd of Decepticons"), but a neat article about a seemingly "unnoteworthy" franchise. the 4th page of the article even has pictures of some of the extra figures like Ricochet, but oddly Razorclaw is photo pasted in to stand as tall as a Deluxe!

It also has more pages of pictures, including a lot of previews of Animated toys.










Edited by mignash, 13 January 2011 - 04:26 PM.


#264 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:06 PM

If I've learned anything from Wikipedia, it's that if someone deems a subject unnotable, then any subsequently-located resource that cites the subject is magically as unnotable. Because.

I guarantee you how this will go next: First, someone will reject Tomart's as a reliable source. See, it has no article on Wikipedia. It itself isn't notable! Then, everyone there will laugh at you for buying a magazine for no reason. Then, everyone will leave to go make pages based on obscure Marvel and DC characters.

I recommend giving up.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:11 PM

I'll just add this info to the tfwiki then... no wait, can't.

#266 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:15 PM

What info would you add to TFwiki from this article that isn't already established?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:24 PM

Not much. Maybe the AFD Hot Pick award.

#268 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:27 PM

That is information that TFWiki is indeed sorely, sorely lacking.

Oh well.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:33 PM

The TFwiki already has tons to useless uncited trivia, that's what it's good at. The point of this thread was to give Fun Publications a presence on something besides a fan-made private wiki by putting a sourced article on Wikipedia.

Edited by mignash, 13 January 2011 - 05:36 PM.


#270 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:40 PM

TFwiki intentionally avoids lots of "trivia." For example, we don't have lists of mentions of Transformers in media unless it's from an official source. There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy. We intentionally draw the line to keep that sort of stuff out, as our wiki is strictly about "official" information. That a print magazine gave the BotCon 2008 toy set an informal award graphic kind of falls into a gray area of Care/Don't Care. I probably wouldn't move to delete such information were it pre-existing in a Notes section, but I'm sure not crying about its absence.

Even TFwiki has its own "notability" standards. They just differ wildly from Wikipedia's.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.

#272 Walky

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 14 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.


I'm pretty damn happy with how Family Guy-free the wiki is, yes.

#273 Esser-Z

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:22 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 14 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 14 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.


I'm pretty damn happy with how Family Guy-free the wiki is, yes.

I am in agreement.

#274 GlassBeadGame

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Jan 14 2011, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 14 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 14 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.


I'm pretty damn happy with how Family Guy-free the wiki is, yes.

I am in agreement.

-Blackout- has ditto'd this statement.

#275 HellCat

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:23 PM

http://en.wikipedia....Summers_brother

Here's an example of the problem. Do we really need an article for fan theories on an essentially aborted, throwaway concept from a nearly 20 year old comic? How is this justifiable?

#276 Walky

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:49 PM

We totally do, because DUDE, X-MEN.

#277 NotVeryKnightly

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:25 AM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 14 2011, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For anyone interested, the magazine I bought because it had an article on the 2008 Timelines set I might use as a source arrived today. Talks about the set as a whole, talks about the plot of the accompanying comic, mentions "TIMELINES" in the picture. The set received an award as "Action Figure Digest Hot Pick" for the month. Does have a typo (it's "small baNd of Decepticons"), but a neat article about a seemingly "unnoteworthy" franchise. the 4th page of the article even has pictures of some of the extra figures like Ricochet, but oddly Razorclaw is photo pasted in to stand as tall as a Deluxe!

It also has more pages of pictures, including a lot of previews of Animated toys.

Looking at the scans, this does seem better than what you usually get. But it does not talk about the plot of the comic. No mention of specific events or even of Cliffjumper (plot means stuf that happens in the story). I you use this for WP, you can't use it to cite anything about the SG comic, since it doesn't even mention the words "comic book" or somesuch. It does say what Shattered Glass is though. However, the information found there is no more than somebody would find if they looked at the BotCon website at the time. (wonder why this was their cover story since anybody who cared about the BotCon toys would have already known all this info from the BC website) Also, I have no idea what "AFD hot pick" means. Anyways, if you think this magazine is good enough, you can ask to make the Timelines article over here. You should maybe also include links to the scans.

Then again, kinda weird that it uses the BotCon '08 logo multiple times. The excessive use of a copyrighted image makes it look like it's official Fun Publications publicity material. Or that the people who run this magazine just don't care about abusing fair use.

Edited by Item42, 17 January 2011 - 02:25 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 03:17 AM

Well the difference is that in Wikipedia's screwy sourcing policy, the fact that the BotCon and Collector's club websites themselves offer this information is not notable. It's only notable once a third-party acknowledges them. So yes, this is not new information. It's just that Wikipedia likes to pretend that information doesn't exist until it impacts someone outside the immediate fandom. Botcon toys existing is not notable, but them getting hyped on G4 (to use a nonexistent example) is. Case in point, look at the folks that are arguing that the Wikipedia BotCon article needs to be revised, because it sources most of its details about past Botcons from... well... the Botcon website.

"This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources."

Like I said, this policy actually works pretty great for requiring things like peer-reviewed research articles on quantifiable things. It's just that as a metric it isn't very one-size-fits-all, no matter how Wikipedia might pretend it is.

This is the uphill climb you guys have there.

Edited by Rosicrucian, 17 January 2011 - 03:20 AM.


#279 Nevermore

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 06:12 AM

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Jan 17 2011, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well the difference is that in Wikipedia's screwy sourcing policy, the fact that the BotCon and Collector's club websites themselves offer this information is not notable. It's only notable once a third-party acknowledges them. So yes, this is not new information. It's just that Wikipedia likes to pretend that information doesn't exist until it impacts someone outside the immediate fandom. Botcon toys existing is not notable, but them getting hyped on G4 (to use a nonexistent example) is. Case in point, look at the folks that are arguing that the Wikipedia BotCon article needs to be revised, because it sources most of its details about past Botcons from... well... the Botcon website.

"This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources."


Well, case in point, the policy that is at work here is the typical one used for businesses and for-profit companies (which Fun Pub is). There's the general suspicion that Fun Pub (or whoever else an article is about) might inflate things and present a distorted account of reality. Like, say, 2000 people attended BotCon 2011 but FunPub claims it was 3000. That sort of thing. Would you trust McDonald's as a source about the quality of their food?

Of course, the flaw with that is what is referred to as "favor journalism" or "courtesy journalism" in German (is there an established English term?), which is becoming more and more widespread these days: As far as Wikipedia is concerned, General Motors stating "facts" about their latest car on their own website is not notable. But when General Motors has Car Magazine reiterate their "facts" in a press release barely disguised as "journalistic" coverage, it suddenly becomes notable.

Edited by Nevermore, 17 January 2011 - 06:36 AM.

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#280 TheTurnipKing

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 07:28 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Jan 7 2011, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait what's the point of Wiki if not a good scorce of information about stuff that's includes all chactors and information protaining to thim if key chactors get deleted then the information is croupted there for no good to anyone

That's why subject specific wiki's like TFwiki exist.