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@  Ashley : (22 November 2019 - 02:12 AM)

what manufacturer is that? I'm trying to find a US source

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 November 2019 - 10:22 PM)

https://www.smythstoys.com/uk/en-gb/toys/action-figures-and-playsets/other-action-figures-and-playsets/alien-queen/p/185041

@  Steevy Maximus : (21 November 2019 - 10:22 PM)

I've already found the best toy of 2020: a foot tall, fully articulated (20 points) Alien Queen for a fraction of what Neca or anyone else would charge

@  Telly : (21 November 2019 - 09:46 PM)

no minerva toys until i get my devcon :p

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 November 2019 - 08:28 PM)

Paladin keeps saying this every time they reveal another toy of an early character, including the first Earthrise reveals even though that had Micromasters.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 November 2019 - 03:20 PM)

I'll concede the Titan Masters, but Magnus Prime is an existing mold, Liokaiser is a set of repaints, and Metalhawk is a repaint and prominently featured in IDW.

@  Cyoti : (21 November 2019 - 12:14 PM)

And Ginrai aka "Magnus Prime, Metalhawk, "Liokaiser", etc. The real characters that Warden actually doesn't know about are the late EuroUK characters like the Turbomasters/Predators

@  Sabrblade : (21 November 2019 - 11:06 AM)

Warden and Friends did give us a Lione (Sawback) and a Shuffler

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 November 2019 - 07:26 AM)

Or prominently featured in IDW, or an easy repaint of an existing toy.

@  Paladin : (21 November 2019 - 07:12 AM)

was she in the first 3 seasons of the cartoon? If not then she's on no one's list because they don't think she exists.

@  Cyoti : (20 November 2019 - 11:23 PM)

It's probably stuck on the low priority end of Warden's to-do list.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 November 2019 - 10:45 PM)

Because the only full-body Nightbeat was that Bumblebee with a new head one.

@  Bass X0 : (20 November 2019 - 04:14 PM)

Why has there been no new Minerva toys? I’m surprised at Takara. The Titan Master head doesn’t count.

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

On my shelf I have Ginrai donning the Star Convoy armor.

@  Liege : (19 November 2019 - 07:42 AM)

That he is.

@  Benbot : (18 November 2019 - 04:01 PM)

And a good boy

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 09:19 AM)

Hound is at least a very good toy.

@  ThunderWear : (18 November 2019 - 09:11 AM)

Hound is the only other one that even comes close to Chromia in my area, and he ships in two separate waves.

@  Liege : (18 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

This might be how they finally get rid of all the Chromias. I've not seen a shelfwarmer like that in ages.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 08:26 PM)

It's a good deal if you want a full set of Refraktor (and if they have them at your location)

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 November 2019 - 04:43 PM)

Here we can buy two and get one free, but at least two of them are gonna be the same toy, because lol distribution.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 01:01 PM)

In the U.K., it’s more like you but two, you only get one given how expensive they are.

@  RichardT1977 : (17 November 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Transformers are Buy 2 Get 1 free at Target this week.

@  Bass X0 : (17 November 2019 - 04:29 AM)

2019 has been one long South Park episode.

@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.


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#261 GlassBeadGame

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Posted 12 January 2011 - 09:13 AM

QUOTE(Item42 @ Jan 11 2011, 08:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 12 2011, 03:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Your quote from the tfwiki "big-time deletion campaign." Not a campaign to correct, improve, add sources to, or clean up the articles. A campaign to delete them!

So except for the precise wording everything is true?

That, and how you seem to think all the deletion is my fault. The people on WP were already sick of the terrible articles that nobody does anything about. Sure I started getting rid of articles in large numbers, but other people already wanted to do something. I just reminded them they can/should. Also, with "campaign", I think I was describing the Claritas socks back when they still looked like different people. I said such a thing (something I couldn't find the right word to describe and decided on "campain" at some point) was going on, I didn't say I was behind it.


If you weren't embarking on a TTN-esque crusade against Transformers articles, then you shouldn't have mass-nominated more articles than anyone could reasonably source within a week (deletion discussions on WP last seven days, unless there isn't enough input to reach a decision, in which case the debate may be prolonged) and dumped links to the nominations on the talk pages of people you knew would agree and vote to delete the articles.

QUOTE(Professor @ Jan 11 2011, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, the real question is, what are people who do this trying to do. What's in it for them? I suppose the easy analysis is that it's just a power trip from internet dwellers craving some sense of authority, but I really doubt it's so simple. People don't target information for eradication randomly like that. I think it's pretty likely that this started somewhere with a po'd TF fan, who decided to use wiki to pursue a personal agenda, and everything just fell out from that.

My point is, while I suppose the wiki community can be blamed for having easily manipulated or bandwagon-y elements, I suspect the Transformers community created this problem itself. I don't think we get to be holier-than-thou to wikipedia on this, because it's probably one of our own crazies who started it.


I don't think it was a po'd Transfan. The amount of sockmasters involved (four, excluding myself) leads me to believe it was kicked off someplace with a high concentration of banned WP users. (NOT Wikipedia Review though, it's not their style and the sockmasters in question don't seem to post there.)

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 12 2011, 04:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
"Expelling the struggling students to improve a school's average performance" is a textbook example of manufacturing superficial improvement while not actually improving anything. If you're arguing that people are really trying to improve Wikipedia by nominating articles for deletion, then that's a terrible analogy to use.

Notice the quote marks. I just copy-pasted somebody else's analogy.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 04:05 PM

For anyone interested, the magazine I bought because it had an article on the 2008 Timelines set I might use as a source arrived today. Talks about the set as a whole, talks about the plot of the accompanying comic, mentions "TIMELINES" in the picture. The set received an award as "Action Figure Digest Hot Pick" for the month. Does have a typo (it's "small baNd of Decepticons"), but a neat article about a seemingly "unnoteworthy" franchise. the 4th page of the article even has pictures of some of the extra figures like Ricochet, but oddly Razorclaw is photo pasted in to stand as tall as a Deluxe!

It also has more pages of pictures, including a lot of previews of Animated toys.










Edited by mignash, 13 January 2011 - 04:26 PM.


#264 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:06 PM

If I've learned anything from Wikipedia, it's that if someone deems a subject unnotable, then any subsequently-located resource that cites the subject is magically as unnotable. Because.

I guarantee you how this will go next: First, someone will reject Tomart's as a reliable source. See, it has no article on Wikipedia. It itself isn't notable! Then, everyone there will laugh at you for buying a magazine for no reason. Then, everyone will leave to go make pages based on obscure Marvel and DC characters.

I recommend giving up.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:11 PM

I'll just add this info to the tfwiki then... no wait, can't.

#266 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:15 PM

What info would you add to TFwiki from this article that isn't already established?

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:24 PM

Not much. Maybe the AFD Hot Pick award.

#268 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:27 PM

That is information that TFWiki is indeed sorely, sorely lacking.

Oh well.

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:33 PM

The TFwiki already has tons to useless uncited trivia, that's what it's good at. The point of this thread was to give Fun Publications a presence on something besides a fan-made private wiki by putting a sourced article on Wikipedia.

Edited by mignash, 13 January 2011 - 05:36 PM.


#270 Walky

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Posted 13 January 2011 - 05:40 PM

TFwiki intentionally avoids lots of "trivia." For example, we don't have lists of mentions of Transformers in media unless it's from an official source. There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy. We intentionally draw the line to keep that sort of stuff out, as our wiki is strictly about "official" information. That a print magazine gave the BotCon 2008 toy set an informal award graphic kind of falls into a gray area of Care/Don't Care. I probably wouldn't move to delete such information were it pre-existing in a Notes section, but I'm sure not crying about its absence.

Even TFwiki has its own "notability" standards. They just differ wildly from Wikipedia's.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:11 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.

#272 Walky

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:40 AM

QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 14 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.


I'm pretty damn happy with how Family Guy-free the wiki is, yes.

#273 Esser-Z

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:22 AM

QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 14 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 14 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.


I'm pretty damn happy with how Family Guy-free the wiki is, yes.

I am in agreement.

#274 GlassBeadGame

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 11:26 AM

QUOTE(Esser-Z @ Jan 14 2011, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 14 2011, 09:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(▲ndrusi @ Jan 14 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Code of Walky @ Jan 13 2011, 05:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There's no page about how Optimus Prime was said to be Jewish in an episode of Family Guy.

Thank God.


I'm pretty damn happy with how Family Guy-free the wiki is, yes.

I am in agreement.

-Blackout- has ditto'd this statement.

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:23 PM

http://en.wikipedia....Summers_brother

Here's an example of the problem. Do we really need an article for fan theories on an essentially aborted, throwaway concept from a nearly 20 year old comic? How is this justifiable?

#276 Walky

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 09:49 PM

We totally do, because DUDE, X-MEN.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 01:25 AM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 14 2011, 05:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For anyone interested, the magazine I bought because it had an article on the 2008 Timelines set I might use as a source arrived today. Talks about the set as a whole, talks about the plot of the accompanying comic, mentions "TIMELINES" in the picture. The set received an award as "Action Figure Digest Hot Pick" for the month. Does have a typo (it's "small baNd of Decepticons"), but a neat article about a seemingly "unnoteworthy" franchise. the 4th page of the article even has pictures of some of the extra figures like Ricochet, but oddly Razorclaw is photo pasted in to stand as tall as a Deluxe!

It also has more pages of pictures, including a lot of previews of Animated toys.

Looking at the scans, this does seem better than what you usually get. But it does not talk about the plot of the comic. No mention of specific events or even of Cliffjumper (plot means stuf that happens in the story). I you use this for WP, you can't use it to cite anything about the SG comic, since it doesn't even mention the words "comic book" or somesuch. It does say what Shattered Glass is though. However, the information found there is no more than somebody would find if they looked at the BotCon website at the time. (wonder why this was their cover story since anybody who cared about the BotCon toys would have already known all this info from the BC website) Also, I have no idea what "AFD hot pick" means. Anyways, if you think this magazine is good enough, you can ask to make the Timelines article over here. You should maybe also include links to the scans.

Then again, kinda weird that it uses the BotCon '08 logo multiple times. The excessive use of a copyrighted image makes it look like it's official Fun Publications publicity material. Or that the people who run this magazine just don't care about abusing fair use.

Edited by Item42, 17 January 2011 - 02:25 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 03:17 AM

Well the difference is that in Wikipedia's screwy sourcing policy, the fact that the BotCon and Collector's club websites themselves offer this information is not notable. It's only notable once a third-party acknowledges them. So yes, this is not new information. It's just that Wikipedia likes to pretend that information doesn't exist until it impacts someone outside the immediate fandom. Botcon toys existing is not notable, but them getting hyped on G4 (to use a nonexistent example) is. Case in point, look at the folks that are arguing that the Wikipedia BotCon article needs to be revised, because it sources most of its details about past Botcons from... well... the Botcon website.

"This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources."

Like I said, this policy actually works pretty great for requiring things like peer-reviewed research articles on quantifiable things. It's just that as a metric it isn't very one-size-fits-all, no matter how Wikipedia might pretend it is.

This is the uphill climb you guys have there.

Edited by Rosicrucian, 17 January 2011 - 03:20 AM.


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Posted 17 January 2011 - 06:12 AM

QUOTE(Rosicrucian @ Jan 17 2011, 09:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well the difference is that in Wikipedia's screwy sourcing policy, the fact that the BotCon and Collector's club websites themselves offer this information is not notable. It's only notable once a third-party acknowledges them. So yes, this is not new information. It's just that Wikipedia likes to pretend that information doesn't exist until it impacts someone outside the immediate fandom. Botcon toys existing is not notable, but them getting hyped on G4 (to use a nonexistent example) is. Case in point, look at the folks that are arguing that the Wikipedia BotCon article needs to be revised, because it sources most of its details about past Botcons from... well... the Botcon website.

"This article needs references that appear in reliable third-party publications. Primary sources or sources affiliated with the subject are generally not sufficient for a Wikipedia article. Please add more appropriate citations from reliable sources."


Well, case in point, the policy that is at work here is the typical one used for businesses and for-profit companies (which Fun Pub is). There's the general suspicion that Fun Pub (or whoever else an article is about) might inflate things and present a distorted account of reality. Like, say, 2000 people attended BotCon 2011 but FunPub claims it was 3000. That sort of thing. Would you trust McDonald's as a source about the quality of their food?

Of course, the flaw with that is what is referred to as "favor journalism" or "courtesy journalism" in German (is there an established English term?), which is becoming more and more widespread these days: As far as Wikipedia is concerned, General Motors stating "facts" about their latest car on their own website is not notable. But when General Motors has Car Magazine reiterate their "facts" in a press release barely disguised as "journalistic" coverage, it suddenly becomes notable.

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Posted 17 January 2011 - 07:28 AM

QUOTE(tec @ Jan 7 2011, 12:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wait what's the point of Wiki if not a good scorce of information about stuff that's includes all chactors and information protaining to thim if key chactors get deleted then the information is croupted there for no good to anyone

That's why subject specific wiki's like TFwiki exist.