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@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.

@  Rycochet : (04 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

The Tim Burton Superman Movie is the DC movie we deserve. It would have Nic Cage in a technosuit punching polarbears.

@  Paladin : (04 December 2019 - 02:59 PM)

Wonder Woman was great. Shazam was amazing. Aquaman... exists.

@  RichardT1977 : (04 December 2019 - 01:54 PM)

TBF, Aquaman and Shazam! were pretty good.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 01:00 PM)

Not a difficult feat.

@  Benbot : (04 December 2019 - 11:50 AM)

You just put more effort into telling a compelling story than all of WB's execs.

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:41 AM)

Cue the flashback to Jonathan, reassuring a terrified child: "What you are is never as important as who you are." Cue Superman's response to Brainiac: "I already know who I am."*John Williams fanfare plays*

@  Cybersnark : (04 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

I don't think we even really need to see Krypton. I'd start with Clark growing up in Kansas, thinking he's normal, and follow him through the development of his powers. There've been enough alternate takes on Krypton that it could actually work as a mystery; is this the pre-Crisis utopia, the sterile science world, or the relic of a fallen empire? Brainiac was there, and he tempts Clark with the knowledge of what he really is.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:12 AM)

First, a Krypton film, ending with baby Kal-El being found on Earth.  Then Supe's early career film, establishing his values... and if Jonothan Kent needs to die, it happens because of something like a heart attack while Clark is savnig folks on the other side of the world.  After we know Clark minimizes property damage and never kills, have Zod & Company show up and force him to make tough choices.

@  Otaku : (04 December 2019 - 11:07 AM)

Man of Steel seems like someone came up with a Superman trilogy and then the execs said "We've got to catch up to Marvel, make it one film!".  I don't mean that based on the film's actual pacing, but because various story beats make more sense to me if they weren't all squished together.

@  Cybersnark : (03 December 2019 - 07:44 PM)

I've been wanting to write a Superman movie trilogy for years; "Man of Steel" (featuring a Terminator-like Brainiac) was going to be first, with "Last Son of Krypton" (featuring the Eradicator) as the sequel and "Man of Tomorrow" (in which Luthor makes his face-heel turn) as the conclusion. Thanks to Snyder I have to re-arrange my titles.

@  Nevermore : (03 December 2019 - 06:15 PM)

I still wish "Man of Steel" had instead been an adaptation of both the John Byrne miniseries of the same name and the Jeph Loeb/Tim Sale miniseries "Superman For All Seasons".

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (03 December 2019 - 04:42 PM)

A take I just read: Man of Steel is shot with such a lack of lighting that it is easier to discern what is going on in a porn film.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 December 2019 - 12:20 PM)

Making Soylant is harder then it looks, it's not like the movies, you have to keep whacking and hacking at the ingredient, it'll scream and fight, maybe bite but eventually it will go down.

@  Paladin : (03 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

varies from person to person.

@  Benbot : (03 December 2019 - 11:34 AM)

It's an acquired taste

@  CORVUS : (03 December 2019 - 11:17 AM)

Soylent? Its pretty awful.

@  unluckiness : (03 December 2019 - 02:49 AM)

Depends on your denomination of Christianity

@  Patch : (02 December 2019 - 05:52 PM)

@Benbot Do they have a soy-free version? Like maybe just "Lent?"

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 02:03 PM)

Just occurred to me 'Autobot' Megatron happened in Target 2006.

@  Benbot : (02 December 2019 - 11:48 AM)

have you tried Soylent? It's pretty good! https://soylent.com/

@  Paladin : (02 December 2019 - 10:01 AM)

i prefer free-range human usually. pain in the ass to hunt though...

@  TheMightyMol... : (02 December 2019 - 09:42 AM)

If your human is all bones, you may have purchased a skeleton by accident. Contact your grocer to inquire about exhange policies.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 December 2019 - 09:31 AM)

Vegans are categorised as human therefore just fall under Soylant, they are usually all bones.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:47 PM)

Cause... that latter one is technically all burgers anyway.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 December 2019 - 04:46 PM)

So... a burger made without meat, or a burger made with the meat taken from a vegan?

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 December 2019 - 04:22 PM)

I had a vegan burger last week, this week I'll give a vegan steak a shot.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

a proper paradox would have broken the board. Nice try though.

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 November 2019 - 01:47 AM)

This shout is empty.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 November 2019 - 12:01 AM)

I've got the admit. tubi tv is great. It's got a lot of stuff.. Including Super Sentai.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:35 PM)

There is frankly no better place to (legally) find schlock on the internet for free than Tubi TV

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:33 PM)

It's got all the graphic violence and gratuitous nudity a late 80s OVA should have.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

Available for free with ads on Tubi TV.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 November 2019 - 10:32 PM)

It's "Goku: Midnight Eye". Originally produced in the late 80s, it apparently wasn't dubbed until the late 90s given Steve Blum was the lead.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 06:38 PM)

The description makes it sound like some high grade, mid 80's shlock. Which, frankly, is my groove.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 November 2019 - 12:37 PM)

Was wondering how long it would take someone to ask.

@  wonko the sane? : (29 November 2019 - 09:58 AM)

okay, it's been like two days so far: what anime is this, cause I'm dying to know.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 November 2019 - 09:23 PM)

You know you're in for a good time when an old anime starts with a crime lord uses roller skates in his cybernetic legs to skate down the side of the building, launches to a dock and into a getaway boat.

@  Pinkcolliebot : (26 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Hey Everyone I'm Making The TF Roll Out Short "Gotta Go Fast!"

@  Benbot : (26 November 2019 - 12:52 PM)

That's what I was hoping for. But here I am, at work the following day.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

You say "die in bed" and I'm thinking "why is that a problem?".

@  fourteenwings : (26 November 2019 - 07:06 AM)

If you don't get out of bed ever your muscles will lock in super-uncomfortable ways and you may get blood clots

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:53 PM)

You did nothing, and so rocks fall down and you die.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 08:35 PM)

But that's not you doing something, that's something being done to you.

@  MEDdMI : (25 November 2019 - 08:28 PM)

Unless a meteor crashes down on your bed while you're in it.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 November 2019 - 07:08 PM)

I've been trying for the last few hours to find an argument to counter this... and I can't do it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 November 2019 - 03:32 PM)

The most dangerous thing you can do is get out of bed in the morning. Everything else that happens is a consequence of that one terrible, terrible decision.

@  wonko the sane? : (25 November 2019 - 03:28 PM)

Driving, by itself, is dangerous. Anything done to compromise the concentration of the pilot just makes things worse.

@  Benbot : (25 November 2019 - 12:46 PM)

Actually, I think you could make a reasonable argument for saying driving with glasses is dangerous. That is, more dangerous than driving with contacts or perfect vision. You have poor peripheral vision with glasses.


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#1 Petes Robot Con

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:11 PM

So, I use the TFwiki for just about all my research, but I needed to check the main Wikipedia site for their description on Shattered Glass and much to my surprise the Timelines page was deleted. I tried to muddle through the discussion, but if anyone can help get this back up it would be greatly appreciated.

From what I read, the person responsible for the deletion seems to know very little about business and seems to think Timelines only appeals to TF fans (though I am not sure how that is relevant?) but we in fact actively market to all pop culture fans through our releases to Asylum, BSC and so on. Our product has been featured in Tomarts We have an annual comic on the newsstands and appear on ICv2's Top 300 comics page. Furthermore, Shattered Glass as you know has become a pop culture staple...

Anyways, again, not sure why they would delete a licensed and Hasbro recognized property.

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http://en.wikipedia....mers:_Timelines

Edited by [email protected], 06 January 2011 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE([email protected] @ Jan 6 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, I use the TFwiki for just about all my research, but I needed to check the main Wikipedia site for their description on Shattered Glass and much to my surprise the Timelines page was deleted. I tried to muddle through the discussion, but if anyone can help get this back up it would be greatly appreciated.

From what I read, the person responsible for the deletion seems to know very little about business and seems to think Timelines only appeals to TF fans (though I am not sure how that is relevant?) but we in fact actively market to all pop culture fans through our releases to Asylum, BSC and so on. Our product has been featured in Tomarts We have an annual comic on the newsstands and appear on ICv2's Top 300 comics page. Furthermore, Shattered Glass as you know has become a pop culture staple...

Anyways, again, not sure why they would delete a licensed and Hasbro recognized property.

The Wikipedia powers-that-be are sometimes militant in their defense of the need to demonstrate "notability." If one can't provide evidence defending how "notable" something is, they try to delete it.

Sometimes, it seems to me that no amount of evidence would be enough. THEY don't think it's important, so they delete it.

Good luck.

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 06 January 2011 - 12:19 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 05:49 PM

Wikipedia is a cesspool with a shiny cover.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:07 PM

Articles on Wikipedia need to have reliable secondary sources* to pass muster. Simply being "a licensed and Hasbro recognized property" is not sufficient.

*If you're interested in restoring the article, you're going to spend a lot of time arguing over what consists a "reliable secondary source".

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:13 PM

Pete, I attempted to gather sources, it but was shot down. Good news though it it's not really gone forever, I'm making a much smaller version of the article and putting it on thise wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia....sformers_comics

Some of the "reliable third party" sources I had gathered on the page before it's deletion included:

-Brereton, Erin (2006). Transformers: The Fantasy, The Fun, The Future. Triumph Books. p. 60. ISBN 1572439831.

- "The Mike The Pod Review: Botcon Exclusive Dreadwind". Mikethepod.com. http://www.mikethepo...BEDreadwind.htm. Retrieved 2010-

-"Transformers Timelines Summer Special - - ComicNewsi.com for Comic Book News, Reviews, Previews, Discussions". Comicnewsi.com. http://comicnewsi.co...=98&itemid=9754. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-Tomart's Action Figure Digest, No. 164

-"Transformers Timelines Issue 3: Shattered Glass ? Independents ? ComicNewsi.com for Comic Book News, Reviews, Previews, Discussions". Comicnewsi.com. http://comicnewsi.co...12063&catid=186. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-Remaining Transfixed by Transformers, New York Times, by MICHAEL CIEPLY, Published: May 29, 2009

-"Transformers Collectors' Club releases a photo of Shattered Glass Cyclonus ? TOMOPOP ? COLLECTIBLE TOY CULTURE ? Vinyl toys, Papercraft, Garage kits, Gamer toys, Japanese toys". Tomopop.com. http://tomopop.com/t...nus-11436.phtml. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-"Transformers Timelines Dion Toy Review". BWTF. 2010-03-16. http://www.bwtf.com/.../timelines/dion. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-BotCon 2010 Opens Registration, Offers Exclusive 'Generation 2: Redux' Transformers Set, May 20th 2010, by Josh Wigler

-Transformers: Timelines Fall Special Generation 2 Redux, Review by BW Media, Thursday December 2, 2010

-"Transformers Club Magazine ? Comic Preview!". BSCkids. 2010-03-17. http://www.bsckids.c...-comic-preview/. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-Transformers: Timelines Fall Special Generation 2 Redux, Review by BW Media, Thursday December 2, 2010

I have the full text of the page on my user account for reference.

Mostly it was arguements by Wikipedia member NotARealWord who was responsible for the Timelines page deletion, heading the arguements against anyone who asserted it's notability and examining every source I put forth. He posted about 40 times about how unnotable the page was here http://en.wikipedia....mers:_Timelines and here http://en.wikipedia....2nd_nomination)

So if you can convince him about the page's notability, you might get it back. He is on the Allspark and TFWiki under the name Item42.

Also, the page was frequently sabotaged and harassed by tfwiki and Allspark member Blackout, who runs a series of sock puppet accounts on Wikipedia.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:20 PM

BTW - While Timelines may be gone or Greatly reduced, there is no reason we can't collect sources for anentirely new page about Fun Publications, which could include all things Fun Pub does, including the TFclub and Joeclub. Of course we better collect a big list of sources for it or it will be deleted quick.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:56 PM

It sucks when you have someone at FunPub saying hey where our article at and it still being deleted

You would think that FunPub would have control over something like that

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:58 PM

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Jan 6 2011, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It sucks when you have someone at FunPub saying hey where our article at and it still being deleted

You would think that FunPub would have control over something like that


The subject of an article is not allowed to edit an article about them. I did write Pete a few weeks ago on the club board asking for any reliable magazine reviews of them so I could site them.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 6 2011, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW - While Timelines may be gone or Greatly reduced, there is no reason we can't collect sources for anentirely new page about Fun Publications, which could include all things Fun Pub does, including the TFclub and Joeclub. Of course we better collect a big list of sources for it or it will be deleted quick.


What bothered me was whoever is deleting the page was unaware that the comics were released through Diamond. I mean, is this a Transformers person? We have been releasing through Diamond for 5 years, are always featured on numerous websites, TF and non-TF, announcing the solicitation, numerous sites actually selling the book and are listed on the Top 300 and/or Top 25 small publishers.

A simple search would have yielded all of this info:
http://www.comicsbea...-november-2010/

http://www.tfarchive...s/idw/sales.php

http://comicbooks.ab...d100nov06_3.htm

And of course

http://www.icv2.com/...news/16618.html

Edited by [email protected], 06 January 2011 - 07:14 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:15 PM

Yes, I did point that out.

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?KEEP - It's the official line of Fun Publications, a company who is licensed by Hasbro to make Transformers. The comic books were released in the mainstream through normal comic book distruibutors, so the arguement in the nomination that it had "limited release" only is invalid. Mathewignash (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

?comment - Really, are they distributed through general comic book retail? My search on Amazon.com didn't find any f them on retail, only user-generated sales of the comics. NotARealWord (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

?COMMENT - YES, every year they are sold through Diamond Distributors and solicited in Previews. I pick them up at any local comic book shop. http://newsodrome.co...elease-19876687 Mathewignash (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Sadly there is what NotARealWord is running what he called a "Campaign of Deletion" on Transformers article on Wikipedia. Seemingly unless you have a dozen solid citations from major sources, you get chopped. Heck, they killed the articles on the Dinobot Slag, the Ark and Energon in the last few months!

They really pulled out all the stops to get this article deleted to. For instance when I found reliable review of Shattered Glass Cyclonus on a site and tried to use it as a source, they would say the reviewer didn't say the word "Timelines" in his review, he called it "Shattered Glass Cyclonus", so it wasn't a source I could use for the Timelines article. I pointed out it says "Timelines" on the box and still got ignored.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 07:33 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:34 PM

Wait, they deleted Slag? Because of his name I assume?

Back to topic, we market our comics to comic fans. That is a big part of the Diamond release, to reach a broad base of comic and pop culture fans. By appearing on a comic book shelf, we are exposed to ALL comic fans and general fans of pop culture. The comic does not appear exclusively on Transformers only websites. They appear at the newsstand as well...

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:40 PM

No they Deleted Slag because he was "not notable". I actually tried to use the contraversary over his name as proof of him being notable. I was ignored. There was a deletion attempt for Grimlock, but he survived. No one has attempted to delete the other Dinobots YET, but if Slag was not notable, how will Snarl and Sludge survive?

http://en.wikipedia...._(Transformers)

http://en.wikipedia....letion/Grimlock

Another one i tried to save was Blackarachnia. She got killed a while back.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 07:48 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 6 2011, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No they Deleted Slag because he was "not notable". I actually tried to use the contraversary over his name as proof of him being notable. I was ignored. There was a deletion attempt for Grimlock, but he survived. No one has attempted to delete the other Dinobots YET, but if Slag was not notable, how will Snarl and Sludge survive?

http://en.wikipedia...._(Transformers)

http://en.wikipedia....letion/Grimlock

Another one i tried to save was Blackarachnia. She got killed a while back.

One thing that needs to be recognized. Wikipedia is a generic encyclopedia. To non-Transformers fans, is a character like Slag notable? I'm not going to say that it's not, but I can easily see why most character-specific entries are being considered "not notable enough" for such a generic site.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:59 PM

Wait what's the point of Wiki if not a good scorce of information about stuff that's includes all chactors and information protaining to thim if key chactors get deleted then the information is croupted there for no good to anyone

I think if there going to have that then I think you should serch wiki for Transformers and it should link to the TFwiki

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:00 PM

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?comment - Really, are they distributed through general comic book retail? My search on Amazon.com didn't find any f them on retail, only user-generated sales of the comics. NotARealWord (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


That guy's just ignorant of how comics are distributed. Would Previews qualify as an independent source? I can't speak to whether an individual Transformers franchise merits its own page, but there is a lot of information about Timelines that definitely belongs on Wikipedia.

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Wait, they deleted Slag? Because of his name I assume?


Eh, he's a minor character from a media franchise. I love him, but it's true. It sucks that the Timelines info is getting caught in the crossfire, but there's a good reason why so many other TF pages are being purged; there are far too many of them for a general knowledge wiki.

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I liked it wordy. That was a plus for me. Better than comic that can be read in 60 seconds.

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To which I would be told that "fan blogs" are not notable sources on wikipedia.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 08:13 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE(Chip @ Jan 6 2011, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, he's a minor character from a media franchise. I love him, but it's true. It sucks that the Timelines info is getting caught in the crossfire, but there's a good reason why so many other TF pages are being purged; there are far too many of them for a general knowledge wiki.


That's pretty much how I see it so I don't find it unlikely that the general non-TF-loving public might as well.

The Transformers universe is so diverse and so long-lived that it would probably be impossible - or at least impractical - to have an article devoted to every character on Wikipedia let alone every fictional appearance. "Key" characters like Optimus Prime and Megatron could easily be argued to be deserving of their own pages but Wikipedia would probably prefer they be listed on a page about their own respective factions.

There really isn't a reason to have such well-developed articles about individual Transformers on Wikipedia when TFWiki exists. The general public might not know it exists but then they probably don't care enough about the subject to delve any deeper.

The way I see it TFWiki is the Unabridged Oxford-English Dictionary of Transformers whereas Wikipedia is maybe a line or two in a Pocket Webster Dictionary. Some people are going to be content with the quick-and-dirty version while others will not.

There really isn't any comparison and there's probably no point in trying to mirror the information on that level.

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