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@  wonko the sane? : (24 May 2020 - 12:30 PM)

Welcome. I just came into that trick myself recently, so happy to share.

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 12:05 PM)

Thanks, wonko the sane? for the tip with the cloning. That helped a lot!

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 12:02 PM)

Heheh.... yes... I don't think a sniper would be very good at making a vaccine... 0.0

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 11:48 AM)

All right! Cloning my old HHD to an SSD and then swapping out the drive was successful, it would appear. Finally.

@  Bass X0 : (24 May 2020 - 11:30 AM)

Scientist Perceptor is. Sniper Perceptor less so.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:51 AM)

Perceptor would be more responsible.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:48 AM)

Oof x~x

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 10:45 AM)

He'd cure the virus, but he'd probably commit at least two crimes against nature and weaponize a third in the process.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:39 AM)

'Horrible consequences' would most likely happen with Brainstorm...

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 08:16 AM)

Totally. And Percy's not even human. XD

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 06:50 AM)

Can't do much worse than our current government, I say go for it.

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Little do we realize that the Perceptor in question is the Mini-Con combiner. :p

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

He would!!!

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

Horrible consequences? I... Doubt that would happen.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:55 PM)

Even if he would come up with the answer by tomorrow.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:54 PM)

I'd rather not deal with the horrible but unintended consequences of that.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 09:52 PM)

Lets let Perceptor make a vaccine for COVID-19. Who agrees with me :)

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 08:43 PM)

I'll take your word for it. =D

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:42 PM)

Although the TV edits of Robocop do contain some hilarity

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:41 PM)

I can't think of any instance where sanitizing a film is a good thing.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 06:42 PM)

.... and thats a good thing? :doh

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 May 2020 - 06:39 PM)

I'm watching Predator on Starz! That means it has all the language and gore uncensored!

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 04:23 PM)

*grabs popcorn*

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 12:49 PM)

*watching everyone argue* O^O

@  fourteenwings : (23 May 2020 - 10:22 AM)

By that logic we might as well just get rid of the Shoutbox wholesale! I'd rather have like 3 or 4 things stuck for a week or so than one person dominating the whole thing (no offense Nevermore).

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 May 2020 - 03:30 AM)

I would argue that "full of something one doesn't read" and "devoid of reading material" are functionally identical at the end-user level. :D

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:58 PM)

If it emptied, it would become empty.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 07:53 PM)

It would be the same effect as if the shoutbox simply emptied once or twice a week.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:27 PM)

I don't see how having walls of the same guy on top whenever I go to any page on this site is "refreshing".

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 06:10 PM)

I don't know, I find the occasional flushing of the box to be refreshing.

@  Telly : (22 May 2020 - 04:20 PM)

but its gets annoying seeing a wall of text from him that takes up most of the shoutbox

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Eh, that's just Nevermore.

@  fourteenwings : (22 May 2020 - 12:11 AM)

@Nevermore: Good rule of thumb is if you feel like you need not just multiple statements but also multiple shouts to make a point, best just make a thread.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 05:36 PM)

Dude, do you just, not know when to stop?

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:35 PM)

Instead of "I have only ten hours to get all my stuff from place A to place B", it's more like "I temporarily stored 90% of my stuff in easily accessible place C in my spare time, so now I have ten hours to get the remaining 10% of my stuff over to the new place before permanently saying goodbye to the old place".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 PM)

At these point you two are just repeating what you already said.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:32 PM)

Again using my "moving apartments" analogy. If you can store the stuff you don't immediately need for everyday life somewhere else, it reduces the critical time of permanently switching your primary base of residence over to the new place because there's less stuff to move when the time comes.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:30 PM)

Well, my main point is that it will speed up the system migration so I have A) less system downtime because there are fewer files to transfer before the new system can be up and running and B) it reduces the risk of something going wrong during the system migration.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 May 2020 - 06:19 AM)

If your primary is getting cleaned up anyway cause you were backing stuff up, then yeah, no reason not to. But largely, it's not a necessary step.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 AM)

It's like you find out that there's a fire going to break out in the house you live in soon, so you find a new place, get your entire Transformers collection into safe storage, and now all that's left are the empty cabinets which you intend to move over to your new place soon. If the fire breaks out before then, sure, you'd need to get new cabinets, but your toys are already out of the danger zone.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:27 AM)

At this point, I'm in a "if the old system crashed before the new drive arrives, it will be slightly annoying, not a complete disaster" mood.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:26 AM)

I've mostly just backed up my personal files and stuff on the external hard drive. The existing Windows installment is supposed to be directly cloned to the new drive once it arrives.

@  Hg Dragon : (21 May 2020 - 01:44 AM)

Who else has ever been so out of it that you've gotten into the shower with your glasses on?

@  Echowarrior : (20 May 2020 - 11:08 PM)

Nope. We've been forced to go with Eclipse. It sucks, and I will continue to call the people in charge of the website fascists until they give me reason to do otherwise.

@  CORVUS : (20 May 2020 - 10:20 PM)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the new layout either. Fortunately you can stay with the old one though.

@  Liege : (20 May 2020 - 08:57 PM)

So now it matches 90% of the content.

@  Trpodeca : (20 May 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Wow the new Deviantart layout is terrible.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 May 2020 - 10:39 AM)

Are you referring to cloning your drive to install into your computer as the replacement, or are you creating an image to restore from should something unforseen occur?

@  Nevermore : (20 May 2020 - 06:36 AM)

Backing up the data not necessary for running Windows on an external drive for safekeeping, trimming down the old drive to a bare minimum, then migrating the old drive to the new one.

@  Nevermore : (20 May 2020 - 06:35 AM)

Yes, but it will make direct migration faster, no?


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#1 Pete

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:11 PM

So, I use the TFwiki for just about all my research, but I needed to check the main Wikipedia site for their description on Shattered Glass and much to my surprise the Timelines page was deleted. I tried to muddle through the discussion, but if anyone can help get this back up it would be greatly appreciated.

From what I read, the person responsible for the deletion seems to know very little about business and seems to think Timelines only appeals to TF fans (though I am not sure how that is relevant?) but we in fact actively market to all pop culture fans through our releases to Asylum, BSC and so on. Our product has been featured in Tomarts We have an annual comic on the newsstands and appear on ICv2's Top 300 comics page. Furthermore, Shattered Glass as you know has become a pop culture staple...

Anyways, again, not sure why they would delete a licensed and Hasbro recognized property.

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http://en.wikipedia....mers:_Timelines

Edited by [email protected], 06 January 2011 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 12:17 PM

QUOTE([email protected] @ Jan 6 2011, 09:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So, I use the TFwiki for just about all my research, but I needed to check the main Wikipedia site for their description on Shattered Glass and much to my surprise the Timelines page was deleted. I tried to muddle through the discussion, but if anyone can help get this back up it would be greatly appreciated.

From what I read, the person responsible for the deletion seems to know very little about business and seems to think Timelines only appeals to TF fans (though I am not sure how that is relevant?) but we in fact actively market to all pop culture fans through our releases to Asylum, BSC and so on. Our product has been featured in Tomarts We have an annual comic on the newsstands and appear on ICv2's Top 300 comics page. Furthermore, Shattered Glass as you know has become a pop culture staple...

Anyways, again, not sure why they would delete a licensed and Hasbro recognized property.

The Wikipedia powers-that-be are sometimes militant in their defense of the need to demonstrate "notability." If one can't provide evidence defending how "notable" something is, they try to delete it.

Sometimes, it seems to me that no amount of evidence would be enough. THEY don't think it's important, so they delete it.

Good luck.

Edited by G.B.Blackrock, 06 January 2011 - 12:19 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 05:49 PM

Wikipedia is a cesspool with a shiny cover.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:07 PM

Articles on Wikipedia need to have reliable secondary sources* to pass muster. Simply being "a licensed and Hasbro recognized property" is not sufficient.

*If you're interested in restoring the article, you're going to spend a lot of time arguing over what consists a "reliable secondary source".

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:13 PM

Pete, I attempted to gather sources, it but was shot down. Good news though it it's not really gone forever, I'm making a much smaller version of the article and putting it on thise wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia....sformers_comics

Some of the "reliable third party" sources I had gathered on the page before it's deletion included:

-Brereton, Erin (2006). Transformers: The Fantasy, The Fun, The Future. Triumph Books. p. 60. ISBN 1572439831.

- "The Mike The Pod Review: Botcon Exclusive Dreadwind". Mikethepod.com. http://www.mikethepo...BEDreadwind.htm. Retrieved 2010-

-"Transformers Timelines Summer Special - - ComicNewsi.com for Comic Book News, Reviews, Previews, Discussions". Comicnewsi.com. http://comicnewsi.co...=98&itemid=9754. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-Tomart's Action Figure Digest, No. 164

-"Transformers Timelines Issue 3: Shattered Glass ? Independents ? ComicNewsi.com for Comic Book News, Reviews, Previews, Discussions". Comicnewsi.com. http://comicnewsi.co...12063&catid=186. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-Remaining Transfixed by Transformers, New York Times, by MICHAEL CIEPLY, Published: May 29, 2009

-"Transformers Collectors' Club releases a photo of Shattered Glass Cyclonus ? TOMOPOP ? COLLECTIBLE TOY CULTURE ? Vinyl toys, Papercraft, Garage kits, Gamer toys, Japanese toys". Tomopop.com. http://tomopop.com/t...nus-11436.phtml. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-"Transformers Timelines Dion Toy Review". BWTF. 2010-03-16. http://www.bwtf.com/.../timelines/dion. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-BotCon 2010 Opens Registration, Offers Exclusive 'Generation 2: Redux' Transformers Set, May 20th 2010, by Josh Wigler

-Transformers: Timelines Fall Special Generation 2 Redux, Review by BW Media, Thursday December 2, 2010

-"Transformers Club Magazine ? Comic Preview!". BSCkids. 2010-03-17. http://www.bsckids.c...-comic-preview/. Retrieved 2010-12-12.

-Transformers: Timelines Fall Special Generation 2 Redux, Review by BW Media, Thursday December 2, 2010

I have the full text of the page on my user account for reference.

Mostly it was arguements by Wikipedia member NotARealWord who was responsible for the Timelines page deletion, heading the arguements against anyone who asserted it's notability and examining every source I put forth. He posted about 40 times about how unnotable the page was here http://en.wikipedia....mers:_Timelines and here http://en.wikipedia....2nd_nomination)

So if you can convince him about the page's notability, you might get it back. He is on the Allspark and TFWiki under the name Item42.

Also, the page was frequently sabotaged and harassed by tfwiki and Allspark member Blackout, who runs a series of sock puppet accounts on Wikipedia.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 06:29 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:20 PM

BTW - While Timelines may be gone or Greatly reduced, there is no reason we can't collect sources for anentirely new page about Fun Publications, which could include all things Fun Pub does, including the TFclub and Joeclub. Of course we better collect a big list of sources for it or it will be deleted quick.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:56 PM

It sucks when you have someone at FunPub saying hey where our article at and it still being deleted

You would think that FunPub would have control over something like that

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 06:58 PM

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE(tec @ Jan 6 2011, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It sucks when you have someone at FunPub saying hey where our article at and it still being deleted

You would think that FunPub would have control over something like that


The subject of an article is not allowed to edit an article about them. I did write Pete a few weeks ago on the club board asking for any reliable magazine reviews of them so I could site them.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 6 2011, 06:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
BTW - While Timelines may be gone or Greatly reduced, there is no reason we can't collect sources for anentirely new page about Fun Publications, which could include all things Fun Pub does, including the TFclub and Joeclub. Of course we better collect a big list of sources for it or it will be deleted quick.


What bothered me was whoever is deleting the page was unaware that the comics were released through Diamond. I mean, is this a Transformers person? We have been releasing through Diamond for 5 years, are always featured on numerous websites, TF and non-TF, announcing the solicitation, numerous sites actually selling the book and are listed on the Top 300 and/or Top 25 small publishers.

A simple search would have yielded all of this info:
http://www.comicsbea...-november-2010/

http://www.tfarchive...s/idw/sales.php

http://comicbooks.ab...d100nov06_3.htm

And of course

http://www.icv2.com/...news/16618.html

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:15 PM

Yes, I did point that out.

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?KEEP - It's the official line of Fun Publications, a company who is licensed by Hasbro to make Transformers. The comic books were released in the mainstream through normal comic book distruibutors, so the arguement in the nomination that it had "limited release" only is invalid. Mathewignash (talk) 16:31, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

?comment - Really, are they distributed through general comic book retail? My search on Amazon.com didn't find any f them on retail, only user-generated sales of the comics. NotARealWord (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

?COMMENT - YES, every year they are sold through Diamond Distributors and solicited in Previews. I pick them up at any local comic book shop. http://newsodrome.co...elease-19876687 Mathewignash (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


Sadly there is what NotARealWord is running what he called a "Campaign of Deletion" on Transformers article on Wikipedia. Seemingly unless you have a dozen solid citations from major sources, you get chopped. Heck, they killed the articles on the Dinobot Slag, the Ark and Energon in the last few months!

They really pulled out all the stops to get this article deleted to. For instance when I found reliable review of Shattered Glass Cyclonus on a site and tried to use it as a source, they would say the reviewer didn't say the word "Timelines" in his review, he called it "Shattered Glass Cyclonus", so it wasn't a source I could use for the Timelines article. I pointed out it says "Timelines" on the box and still got ignored.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 07:33 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:34 PM

Wait, they deleted Slag? Because of his name I assume?

Back to topic, we market our comics to comic fans. That is a big part of the Diamond release, to reach a broad base of comic and pop culture fans. By appearing on a comic book shelf, we are exposed to ALL comic fans and general fans of pop culture. The comic does not appear exclusively on Transformers only websites. They appear at the newsstand as well...

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:40 PM

No they Deleted Slag because he was "not notable". I actually tried to use the contraversary over his name as proof of him being notable. I was ignored. There was a deletion attempt for Grimlock, but he survived. No one has attempted to delete the other Dinobots YET, but if Slag was not notable, how will Snarl and Sludge survive?

http://en.wikipedia...._(Transformers)

http://en.wikipedia....letion/Grimlock

Another one i tried to save was Blackarachnia. She got killed a while back.

Edited by mignash, 06 January 2011 - 07:48 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:54 PM

QUOTE(mignash @ Jan 6 2011, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
No they Deleted Slag because he was "not notable". I actually tried to use the contraversary over his name as proof of him being notable. I was ignored. There was a deletion attempt for Grimlock, but he survived. No one has attempted to delete the other Dinobots YET, but if Slag was not notable, how will Snarl and Sludge survive?

http://en.wikipedia...._(Transformers)

http://en.wikipedia....letion/Grimlock

Another one i tried to save was Blackarachnia. She got killed a while back.

One thing that needs to be recognized. Wikipedia is a generic encyclopedia. To non-Transformers fans, is a character like Slag notable? I'm not going to say that it's not, but I can easily see why most character-specific entries are being considered "not notable enough" for such a generic site.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 07:59 PM

Wait what's the point of Wiki if not a good scorce of information about stuff that's includes all chactors and information protaining to thim if key chactors get deleted then the information is croupted there for no good to anyone

I think if there going to have that then I think you should serch wiki for Transformers and it should link to the TFwiki

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:00 PM

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:08 PM

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?comment - Really, are they distributed through general comic book retail? My search on Amazon.com didn't find any f them on retail, only user-generated sales of the comics. NotARealWord (talk) 17:32, 30 November 2010 (UTC)


That guy's just ignorant of how comics are distributed. Would Previews qualify as an independent source? I can't speak to whether an individual Transformers franchise merits its own page, but there is a lot of information about Timelines that definitely belongs on Wikipedia.

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Wait, they deleted Slag? Because of his name I assume?


Eh, he's a minor character from a media franchise. I love him, but it's true. It sucks that the Timelines info is getting caught in the crossfire, but there's a good reason why so many other TF pages are being purged; there are far too many of them for a general knowledge wiki.

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I liked it wordy. That was a plus for me. Better than comic that can be read in 60 seconds.

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To which I would be told that "fan blogs" are not notable sources on wikipedia.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE(Chip @ Jan 6 2011, 08:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eh, he's a minor character from a media franchise. I love him, but it's true. It sucks that the Timelines info is getting caught in the crossfire, but there's a good reason why so many other TF pages are being purged; there are far too many of them for a general knowledge wiki.


That's pretty much how I see it so I don't find it unlikely that the general non-TF-loving public might as well.

The Transformers universe is so diverse and so long-lived that it would probably be impossible - or at least impractical - to have an article devoted to every character on Wikipedia let alone every fictional appearance. "Key" characters like Optimus Prime and Megatron could easily be argued to be deserving of their own pages but Wikipedia would probably prefer they be listed on a page about their own respective factions.

There really isn't a reason to have such well-developed articles about individual Transformers on Wikipedia when TFWiki exists. The general public might not know it exists but then they probably don't care enough about the subject to delve any deeper.

The way I see it TFWiki is the Unabridged Oxford-English Dictionary of Transformers whereas Wikipedia is maybe a line or two in a Pocket Webster Dictionary. Some people are going to be content with the quick-and-dirty version while others will not.

There really isn't any comparison and there's probably no point in trying to mirror the information on that level.

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