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@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:15 AM)

I really enjoy the creative sub forums of TFW, though, like their kitbash and fan art forums. The creative forums have lots of talented, friendly people and is an active, supportive community.

@  wlg3 : (28 April 2017 - 01:13 AM)

Gotta agree with Evac... TFW has a lot of cool, talented people, but they're overwhelmingly outnumbered by unbearable neckbeards

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:20 PM)

I do enjoy the TFW podcast. and that subforum's usually very civil. It's the best place to actually talk about TFers there :D also the Radicons forum is ok if you just like looking at kitbash pr0n

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 PM)

There's some cool people on the site, thankfully. It's just the morons tend to outnumber them... Which is generally the rule on most forums thanks to the GIFT.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:17 PM)

In all honesty, the better parts of the site are the non-TF parts.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

yeah, and their love of 3p is just...i don't get it.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

TFW can be... literal with the rules sometimes. Like, a discussion about favorite human characters gets LOCKED if you mention Agent Fowler because "all Prime discussion belongs in the RiD forums".

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:48 PM)

Also, as far as TFW's No Politics goes...it's nice in theory but then you end up with the current IDW stories that lean HEAVILY into politics and religion. I've had more than a few lengthy posts exploring the parallels between the IDW Decepticon movement and various real world socialist movements deleted because it was technically "politics." So hug 'em. I really only visit there these days to poke around the podcast subforum.

@  LordGigaIce : (27 April 2017 - 09:45 PM)

My person canon is that the Quintessons created Cybertron as a factory to make the TFers as mechs, but they became self aware and they revolted. then Cybertronian society began to develop and the events of the revolt became mythologised as the stories of the Knights of Cyberton, the Thirteen, etc...real events that became the basis for religion, essentially.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 09:34 PM)

Timeout. Does it convert?

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

.... Wait I think those are actually ninjas

@  Nutjob R/T : (27 April 2017 - 09:29 PM)

Fact: Transformers are mammals. Fact: The purpose of a Transformer is to flip out and kill people

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 06:54 PM)

Transformers are alien space robots from space.]

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

Transformers believe they were created by <X>, others believe they were created by <Y> and/or <Z>. There are lots of theories, disagreements but ultimately nobody knows for sure.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 05:11 PM)

Squid robits build machines. Machines decide they had enough of that and kicked the squid robits off the planet. Everything's pretty chill for a while until machines get mad for dumb reasons and break the planet. THE END

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 04:22 PM)

Primus created Cybertron and The Thirteen. Then later, the Quintessons come to the planet they call Seibertron and use Primus' power; the plasma energy chamber to forge military robots Destrons and consumer robots Cybertrons. The Cybertrons and Destrons rise up and drive the Quintessons away but are unable to live in peace with each other. And so the Cybertron population become the Autobot army and the Destrons become Decepticons, with the Autobots renaming their planet Cybertron. Far far later still, bacteria that was present on the asteroid Primus imprisoned himself within has evolved into organic life within Cybertron...

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:35 PM)

But aside from the ending Trent and Siph made for them at FunPub, the 3H Wreckers comics kinda sucked.

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 03:34 PM)

That's what the 3H Wreckers comics kind of did, actually.

@  wonko the sane? : (27 April 2017 - 03:30 PM)

So, what? The maker of the makers kinda thing?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2017 - 02:55 PM)

My fanon is both the Quintesson and Primus origins. They're compatible.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 02:37 PM)

I prefer the profile book/movie interpretation of the Quintessons, a race whose entire purpose is to capture and execute those who escape Unicron.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 02:03 PM)

I like the Quintesson origin partly because it's a twist on the robot revolution cliche, partly because of the irony of a people uniting against their own creators just to fall into endless civil war, and mostly because i just really like the Quintessons themselves.

@  Diecast : (27 April 2017 - 12:03 PM)

I preferred the Primus origin until it became the more common origin, fiction wise.

@  ▲ndrusi : (27 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

Since the analogy to humans isn't perfect, it could also be interpreted as closer to "maternity ward."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

I think the most unfortunately named Transformer in their society would probably be Hot Spot, which is like having a human named "Placenta."

@  Locoman : (27 April 2017 - 11:02 AM)

Confusing, I bet.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:58 AM)

I wonder what everyday Transformer society is like where half the population are named after common objects and stuff...

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2017 - 10:53 AM)

I bet Gears hates this.

@  Noideaforaname : (27 April 2017 - 10:18 AM)

Naturally occuring gears! (hey, if bugs can do it...)

@  Evac : (27 April 2017 - 10:00 AM)

They're both better than the Primus origin.

@  unluckiness : (27 April 2017 - 09:56 AM)

The Allspark sucks. I much prefer the quintessons origin.

@  Dracula : (27 April 2017 - 07:23 AM)

I hate the allspark! That's why it's been the only TF forum I've bothered with for almost 10 years!

@  Robowang : (27 April 2017 - 07:13 AM)

As much as I pick on us, that's a really big reason why I like it here too. Plus the traffic isn't so heavy that anything you post gets lost in five minutes.

@  Rycochet : (27 April 2017 - 06:00 AM)

The Allspark is one of the first Transformers sites I've been to where there's no weird hero worship of the staff or two or three staffers who are weirdly aggressive about certain transformers related topics and never fail to show it. This is probably the first site in my near two decades in the fandom I can post and not feel I'm a few steps away from falling afoul of some unwritten rule that will cause people to pile on, so yay Allspark.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (27 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

*pops in* "Hm, I wonder where the conversation has gone since last night..." *reads* "...huh. I did not see any of that coming."

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

*apart!

@  MEDdMI : (27 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

This board has provided me with the only RP campaign that didn't fall a

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 05:17 AM)

So what? We're disciples of Primus and they're disciples of Unicron?

@  lastmaximal : (27 April 2017 - 04:26 AM)

I'm really not surprised.

@  Nevermore : (27 April 2017 - 04:16 AM)

Well, the users over on TFW in return accuse the Allspark of being an elitist clique that ostracizes everyone who doesn't act like they do (i.e. civil), whereas TFW is more welcoming to everyone regardless of their views.

@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc


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#1 Waspinator

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:25 PM

Since I've gotten a few PMs and questions about them, I figure we should just have an animated GIF thread. I figure it would be nice to have a place to compile techniques and tricks, as well as for people to ask questions.

I'll go first, with how I do stuff. The programs I use mainly are VirtualDub:
http://www.virtualdub.org/
Avidemux:
http://fixounet.free.fr/avidemux/
and SUPER:
http://www.erightsof...PER.html#Dnload
I also like the Xvid codec for when I'm outputing AVIs:
http://www.xvid.org/

First things first, let's get your video files. You probably have some source video in mind that you may already have, have seen on Youtube, or on some other site. If you already have the video, you can skip this part. You can get videos from various shady sites such as 4chan, but I'm not going to talk about that here. If you need to get it from Youtube, the add-on DownloadHelper is a fast and easy way to save it:
https://addons.mozil...fox/addon/3006/
With that installed, an icon appears to the left of the title of the video when on Youtube and you can click on that to download it. For other web sites, such as Hubworld, you need a bit more advanced tactics. StreamTransport will do it:
http://www.streamtransport.com/
It appears as a web browser window, which you use to get to the video that you want. You then select the file from the bottom half of the screen (usually whichever listed file has the longest play length) and click download on the right. If you select show tasks, you can see the download's progress. When it is done, choose locate so that you can find the file you saved. Put it somewhere that you'll remember.

Now that you have your video, we need to get it into an avi format, since VirtualDub will only open those and that is the program that I use to actually output the GIFs. I will explain this later though, since I am honestly getting tired of typing.

#2 Waspinator

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Posted 21 December 2010 - 09:31 PM

Ok, I lied about later. Here's how you get something to AVI format with Avidemux. Choose file, open, and the file you want to convert. On the left side of the screen, change the drop boxes to the following settings:
Video: MPEG-4 ASP (Xvid) – note, if you don't have Xvid, you'll have to experiment with the others to see what works on your computer
Audio: MP3
Format: AVI
If you only plan on using part of the video, you can save converion time by selecting a segment now. Use the arrow keys on your keyboard and/or the slider at the bottom of the screen to get to the start of the segment, then choose the edit menu and “Set marker A”. Then get to the end of the segment and “Set marker B”. Finally, choose File => Save => Save Video and save it somewhere with a file name ending it .avi.

I will explain how to convert with SUPER later, I mainly mentioned it because Avidemux occasionally chokes on a file that SUPER can handle.

Now, here's the basics of VirtualDub. Choose File => Open Video File and choose the avi you saved in the last part. Once it's open, if you have not already shortened the video, use the slider and/or the arrow keys to move to the start of the segment that you want to use and pick Edit => Set Selection Start, then move to the end and pick Edit => Set Selection End. If the video size is large, one useful technique is to pick Filters under the Video menu. Click Add and then select one of the 2:1 reduction filters. You can add it multiple times to further reduce the size of the video. You can also crop your video through the filter menu. After adding at least one filter (if you don't want to change the size, add a brightness/contrast filter and don't change any settings), the Cropping button should be selectable. Navigate using the slider and/or buttons to the part of the video you're focusing on so that you can see how much extra space there may be. By using your mouse cursor and dragging the sides of the video view box, you can crop out parts of the frame. Hit ok when you're done.

When you have everything the way you want it, choose the File menu, then Export, then Animated GIF. You probably want “Infinite Loop” to be selected. Give it a name, save it somewhere, and enjoy your new GIF.

Edited by Waspinator, 21 December 2010 - 09:39 PM.


#3 Waspinator

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Posted 24 December 2010 - 01:38 AM

Some other useful tips:

Say that there's a clip that you want to loop that has no clean point to do so. Open up the video in Avidemux and get the starting and ending points selected as above, also set up the video and audio boxes. Save the video as an .avi somewhere and put a 1 on the end of the name (not necessary, but convenient to help you remember the order later). Go to the Video menu at the top and select Filters. Double click on the part that says Reverse and then click close. Save the .avi again, this time with a 2 on the end. Open the 1 file in Virtualdub normally and then choose File => Append AVI Segment and choose the 2 file. Then do whatever resizing, cropping, whatever and export the GIF as normal. The video should play once forwards, then backwards, then forwards, backwards, etc, for forever in a clean loop.

If you need to reduce file size further and want to risk potential choppiness, you can have Virtualdub remove frames to reduce file size. This works best in high frame-rate source videos, since they can probably lose some redundant frames without much effect. In VirtualDub, open the Video menu and choose Frame Rate, then choose either "Process every other frame" or "Process every third frame". This is not recommended in all cases since, especially in videos with a lot of movement, it can make things very choppy.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 02:06 PM

QUOTE(TooManyBunnies @ Jan 6 2011, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm growing ever more jealous of the gif-making skills around here.

I tried again last night after grabbing the high quality .flv files from the Hub, but Avidemux hangs when I try to load any of them! So I downloaded SUPER instead (which was a headache in itself) and then spent an hour trying to figure out the interface. I managed to export an AVI of Swarm of the Century, but it looks terrible, and I couldn't get a decent .gif out of it at all -- it came out all full of artifacts.

Any tips on getting SUPER to export the AVI right? I tried to match the output settings to the specs of the input file, but it didn't seem to help any...

Edit: Suddenly I notice that the tutorial thread was actually meant to be a discussion thread -- feel free to take any responses over there! Sorry for not noticing.


Assuming you've matched the framerate (29.970) and resolution (640x360) of the Hubworld videos in SUPER's settings, the major thing I could see causing that kind of quality decrease would be the codec you're using. The Hubworld files use H.264/AVC, which usually transcodes (i.e. suffers a second round of encoding) fairly well once or (for HD) twice, unlike its predecessor (MPEG-2). But personally, I prefer just converting the episode into a RAW, uncompressed AVI. That doesn't diminish the quality at all since there's no transcoding. The only downside is space; a full episode of this show uncompressed is 25.7GB; but raw video is much easier to work with and I have 3TB of space, so it's not really a concern.

Edited by TM2-Megatron, 06 January 2011 - 02:07 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:29 PM

I think I got it! Thanks so much to both of you!

#6 Waspinator

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 03:53 PM

Yeah, I mentioned SUPER for completeness, but I'm not sure I'm good enough with it to really write a tutorial. It works, but figuring out the settings can sometimes be a complete pain.

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Posted 06 January 2011 - 04:23 PM

Well, for my purposes, what I had to do was pretty simple; it just doesn't look like it is. I mean, I must have spent ten minutes going "Wh-where's File | Open?"

As far as I can tell, all I had to do was:
  • Set the output to AVI.
  • Set the codec to Raw.
  • Set the Video Scale Size to No Change.
  • Select the frame rate that matches the original video (most players will give that information).
  • Drag the video file from Windows Explorer onto the SUPER window. (Which is harder than it has any right to be--who was the arrogant harebrain that coded SUPER to be always centered and on top?)
  • Click Encode.
And if pops up the thing about changing the audio settings, it won't encode right away, so click Encode again if it did that.

Anything missing?

#8 Waspinator

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Posted 14 January 2011 - 06:33 PM

Here's how to make a montage like in my signature. First, get your screenshots from wherever. They can be JPGs, PNGs, or whatever, but they need to be all in the same format and in the same folder. They also need to all have the same dimensions in terms of pixel count. Copy the first one, name the copy 0.jpg (or whatever format you're using) and then rename the rest in increasing numbers (1.jpg, 2.jpg, 3.jpg, etc...). Don't ask me why you need the copy, VirtualDub just seems to sometimes drop the first frame in stuff like this. Anyway, fire up VirtualDub and open the 0 file. The sequence should load as a video. Under the video menu choose Frame Rate and then in the top half of that window, choose "change frame rate to" and enter a number. For a slow montage, you probably want to choose a value of something like .5 fps. The smaller, the slower the montage will be. Hit ok. Then add whatever resizing or whatever other kind of filters you want to do and export the GIF as normal.

Edited by Waspinator, 14 January 2011 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2011 - 08:25 PM

Thanks for this - you'd mentioned Avidemux before, so I started with that, but your process is much less kludgey for the rest than what I had figured out from there. Very cool!

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Posted 25 February 2011 - 05:23 PM

Something I recently figured out: I had been having trouble getting SUPER to convert the Hubworld .flvs to decent quality .avis, but Avidemux can't open said .flv directly. Well, you can set the output container on SUPER to MKV, check "Stream Copy" for the Video and Audio feeds, and give it the .flv. You'll very quickly get a .mkv file that is basically the same data from the .flv reorganized a little. And Avidemux CAN open the .mkv!

Edited by Waspinator, 25 February 2011 - 05:24 PM.