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@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.


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#1 ZacWilliam1

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 08:46 AM

I've always been intersted in the fauna of Cybertron beyond the Transformers themselves. We've had a good number of Cybertronian animals mentioned over the years but very, very few have ever actually been seen. Awhile back I decided to come up with designs for all the Cybertronic fauna listed on the wiki. I did a big poster of them all, which I promptly saved to a flash drive and then misplaced before I could share it. So, recently I've started drawing them all over again from memory and recreating "The Cybertronic Beastiary" which I imagine as a book of sketches and notes from one of the first human visitors to Cybertron (Spike, or Chip, or Carly maybe).

I figured the first page should definately go to the Turbofox, which has the honor both of being the first Cybertronian animal mentioned in fiction (Mirage's G1 bio) and likely the one to be used the most times in various continuities since.

(I've left the image slightly large so the smaller text is still readable.)







-ZacWilliam plans to do future pages of the Beastiary soon, and has stuck this first page on some cafe press junk mostly for his own ammusement, if anyone really likes it.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 09:34 AM

The script text works well for the headers, but it's a little distracting for the body text.

It makes me VERY happy that you came up with some truly alien, robotic designs. Definitely not your run of the mill 'Earth animals wearing metal skin' concept. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:23 AM

I'm not a big fan of the turbofox design, but overall I like the direction you're going in; these are not robot earth animals, these are something completely alien! I love the fluff of the fox being descended from rogue courier units, gives them a plausible origin story! The mice as rogue repair drones works too, makes sense why they sometimes 'infest' Transformers out of some misguided attempt to fix them.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:50 AM


The turbofox design has been floating in my head forever. Admittedly it's pretty cribbed from Laserbeak with the head there. But given that everything we know about them is that they're the fastest things on Cybertron I liked the idea of their basically being jet engines with a head. All about the speed.

I like the idea of giving them just enough of a hint of the earth-animal they're named after to make it feasible for them to be called that, but at the same time keeping them very "Cybertronian" so they look like things that might have lived in the wilds on Cybertron.

But yeah, the text might be better served in a simpler font in the future. I liked the idea of it looking a bit like a "sketchbook" but if the script-text get's in the way of clarity it should probably be simplified.


-ZacWilliam, remembering the "titanium moosebot" mentioned in one ep being one of the hardest to design without it looking too goofy. May have to recreate that one next. icon-hotrod.gif
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Posted 15 December 2010 - 11:25 AM

One would think the glitch mice would be optical now instead of relying on roller balls. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 12:14 PM

My optical mouse is certainly glitchier than any rollerball mouse I've used. icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 12:23 PM

Do more of these! This is fantastic!

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 12:34 PM

See, little details like this are what I thought was missing from War for Cybertron.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 04:11 PM

The question that's been floating around my mind for like, ever, is, where are all the factories that mass-produced all these things?
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Posted 15 December 2010 - 04:56 PM

This project is a great idea, but personally, I don't see why turbo foxes and glitch mice can't look like robotic versions of their Earthly counterparts since the G1 cassettes basically established that's what cybertronian wildlife is like.

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 04:59 PM

I like these alot!

Are you taking submissions?

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Posted 15 December 2010 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE(Master Fwiffo @ Dec 15 2010, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do more of these! This is fantastic!


Thanks. icon-hotrod.gif I've been working on the Titanium moosebot this afternoon. The challenge drew me in. Liking how it's turning out. Depending how bad the cold I'm comming down with ends up I might have it up tomarrow.


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The question that's been floating around my mind for like, ever, is, where are all the factories that mass-produced all these things?


Well, it's possible some of the Fauna could build their own "pack-mates." Some animals might even date from the "origin" of the planet (be it Primus or the Quints).

But, assuming a functioning Factory-Nest... have you looked at Cybertron? The whole thing could be a factory. icon-hotrod.gif It's a VERY big place (I mean not just surface area, but you've also got underground levels planet-wide down to rediculous depths). Add in the pretty darn low population of sentients and there are likely long lost factories all over the place that no TF has seen in millenia. The master Turbofox factory might be a nasty place too, guarded by hundreds of the things. Any TF who stumbled across it might be lunch before they could share their discovery.

I love imagining Cybertron as a vast mostly unexplored world full of mystery and surprises even to the TFs.


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This project is a great idea, but personally, I don't see why turbo foxes and glitch mice can't look like robotic versions of their Earthly counterparts since the G1 cassettes basically established that's what cybertronian wildlife is like.


Only if you assume the cassettes are supposed to BE Cybertronian animals. That's a VERY big assumption IMO. Most media is very specific that the cassettes are their alternate forms and the "animal" forms are their basic robot selves. Just because their not standard humanoid doesn't mean they are analagous to Cybertronian animals. After all they are sentient intelligent beings. They just have "alternate" style robot-designs.

I find the Quintessa style exact roboticised-earth animals a little silly by themselves. I prefer to suggest the Earth animal enough that you can see why the name-analogy exists but make them "Cybetronian" enough that they arent just a metal fox or moose. But that's a personal design preference.

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I like these alot!

Are you taking submissions?


Awesome to hear it. icon-hotrod.gif

Well, my plan was just to go through and recreate my original designs as best I could from memory, but it would be interesting to see how others imagine these creatures looking too. Since we don't have any official images of most of them there's a lot of room for the artist's imagination. So sure, why not. Anyone wants to take a crack at a Cyberonic Beastiary design of their own, I say go for it and if I ever get around to compiling them on a site or book or something the different visions will just add to the coolness.



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Posted 16 December 2010 - 01:38 AM

Tell Grimlock about Petrorabbits again!

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 03:59 AM

awesome awesome awesome

i love that they don't really look earth like. they're not supposed to be earthlike afterall.

who says laserbeak was a cybertronic bird? looked more like a jet of some type in MTMTE to me

love the mice concept, but want bigger scans! and is that the only form the foxes come in or is there a more stationary form as well?

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Posted 16 December 2010 - 10:06 AM

Hmm, is there a comprehensive list that you could toss up on here? I can't recall if tfwiki has a 'Cybertronian fauna' category or not. icon-arcee.gif
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Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:05 PM

QUOTE(Sheba @ Dec 15 2010, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The question that's been floating around my mind for like, ever, is, where are all the factories that mass-produced all these things?

They evolved from naturally occurring gears and pulleys.


QUOTE(ZacWilliam1 @ Dec 16 2010, 02:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well, my plan was just to go through and recreate my original designs as best I could from memory, but it would be interesting to see how others imagine these creatures looking too.

It stands to reason that there may be regional variations in Cybertronic wildlife.

Edited by TheTurnipKing, 16 December 2010 - 12:09 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:29 PM

wow! amazing job man! keep them coming!
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Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:32 PM

QUOTE(Dissever @ Dec 16 2010, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hmm, is there a comprehensive list that you could toss up on here? I can't recall if tfwiki has a 'Cybertronian fauna' category or not. icon-arcee.gif

http://tfwiki.net/wi...tronic_wildlife

I'm really loving this whole idea. It needs an Autobot nature-show host to be covering it all though.
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Posted 16 December 2010 - 12:40 PM

Hound Irwin?
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Posted 16 December 2010 - 01:54 PM

Outback here mates, and next up we come to a true titan of the Cybertronian wilderness, the Titanium Moosebot. Ain't she a beauty? While many larger anibots have gone extinct in modern times due to the ongoing devestation and environmental pressures of the war, the Titanium Moosebot survives, in large part due to its remote and forbidding natural habitat. Let's take a look...






Truely a remarkable creature.


-ZacWilliam, who actually came up with too much material on this one to fit it all in with the images. Ah well. icon-hotrod.gif
Ever wonder about the speed of Turbofoxes?
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For a mechazoologic tour of the mechanimals of Cybertron.