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@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:22 AM)

I dunno; like life itself I think the things that define it are open to change. It's not like I have grand expectations of immortality, constantly downloading my consciousness into freshly-grown genetically-enhanced clones of myself. But I think it's a waste for so much accumulated experience and memories to just wink out.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

or something

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

all semblence of order our purpose are symtoms of the sickness in man's ego mad mind. sense is not possible until the end.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:19 AM)

existence is a vulgar absurdity

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 03:18 AM)

Eh, death is part of what defines life. Sooner we accept that it's just a thing that happens, the better.

@  Pennpenn : (26 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

Probably be easier to develop that kind of thing if a significant portion of the population didn't think it was going to happen anyway for no adequately explainable reason.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 02:42 AM)

Death doesn't terrify me, but I have to admit I find the notion of its inevitably more than a little disappointing. I'd hope there's eventually some way to preserve our minds in some form prior to death

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Or maybe some broken kid in a giant cyborg will turn us all into tang. Who knows what the future brings?

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

As someone terrified of death, I for one welcome our transhumanist singularity overlords.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

Our grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be less than dust before heat death matters anyway.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:51 AM)

Signularity is a meaningless buzzword, like a lot of this transhumanist late-game stuff.


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Posted 08 December 2010 - 05:05 AM

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:25 PM

Got my issue. I think it's safe to say that things have just gotten much, much worse.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:44 PM

QUOTE(Echowarrior @ Dec 8 2010, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Got my issue. I think it's safe to say that things have just gotten much, much worse.

From a "the jive hit the fan for our heroes" standpoint, or from an "oh god this is horrible writing" standpoint?

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Ellaboration is required.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 08 December 2010 - 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Echowarrior @ Dec 8 2010, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Got my issue. I think it's safe to say that things have just gotten much, much worse.

From a "the jive hit the fan for our heroes" standpoint, or from an "oh god this is horrible writing" standpoint?

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Though where in the blue blazes did that Megatron head come from?

Ellaboration is required.


Things have gotten much, much worse in the former sense, not the latter. I get that you've got issues with this series, and I do too, but I'm gonna wait to judge this story until after it's totally finished. Can't fault me for that, right?

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As for the Megatron head - the last couple pages establish that somewhere in Central America (presumably Mexico), a large thing resembling Megatron's head crashed roughly four months prior to the events of this issue, and that the locals have been making replicas of Megatron's old P-38 alternate mode for some time - one of which was the gun used to shoot Bumblebee.

Now, Megatron's still got a head, so what happened? Did he swap out heads with his rebuilt body? Is the Megatron we saw last issue a fake?

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 03:06 PM

QUOTE(Echowarrior @ Dec 8 2010, 02:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Things have gotten much, much worse in the former sense, not the latter. I get that you've got issues with this series, and I do too, but I'm gonna wait to judge this story until after it's totally finished. Can't fault me for that, right?

No, I cannot. I was merely curious what you meant.

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As for the Megatron head - the last couple pages establish that somewhere in Central America (presumably Mexico), a large thing resembling Megatron's head crashed roughly four months prior to the events of this issue, and that the locals have been making replicas of Megatron's old P-38 alternate mode for some time - one of which was the gun used to shoot Bumblebee.

Now, Megatron's still got a head, so what happened? Did he swap out heads with his rebuilt body? Is the Megatron we saw last issue a fake?

Well that sounds... unusual.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 08 December 2010 - 07:33 PM

Eh, it seems to make sense, if last issue took place right after issues 6 and 7 chronologically. While 8-12 were going on, they dumped Megs' old body on Earth for whatever reason and plotted all this stuff.

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 08:36 PM

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If one accepts the premise that humans can be legitimate opponents to Transformers if properly armed (which I don't think I can) then this issue wasn't bad. In fact, I'd say I was a bit intrigued for the first time since the first six-issue arc about where things are going.

Most intriguing to me now is the newly arising question, "What are Megatron's remains doing on Earth?". Now, I'm not sure what will happen with this or what Costa will do with it, but I see a potentially kickass twist that could occur here if done right. Consider that issue when Starscream's Decepticons on that asteroid were first shown. Seemingly out of nowhere, Shockwave was present, for just one panel. And since that time, he has remained conspicuously absent. No sign of him in the last issue when Hot Rod attacked. Interestingly, Megatron's new body is much more akin to Shockwave himself, in both color and design. Also interestingly, the new Megatron showed no concern for the very item he chased around the galaxy, the Matrix. I would think that strange for Megatron and out of character. But not so much for Shockwave, who never really desired it.

So what if, what if, this new Megatron isn't Megatron at all? What if this is Shockwave given new form? A form, dare I say, that somewhat mimics his new upcoming form in the movie, given his sillohuette in the prequel comics yet to be published?

Why would Shockwave do this? I don't know, but I would think an adept writer could certainly create a good enough motive to make this one of the greatest twists in a comic book since Ratchet and Megs got blown together into one being. Perhaps Shockwave might do this to more easily usurp Decepticon authority. Megatron's troops would never question Megatron. They might do so with Shockwave.

Is this what Costa is up to? After all, we know the new big baddy for the upcoming movie is Shockers. What better way to bring him back into the spotlight and have him assume command of the Decepticon army without firing a shot? I would take a lot back if it were true. But I'm not holding my breath.

Say what you will about the faces, Don's art still fascinates me. His angles and proportions are always spot on. He makes the bots sleek and deadly looking, and I think that certainly adds a more serious undertone to a story that sorely needs to jettison that cartoony feel. If only he could stay on permanently.

It continues to be absolutely infuriatingly stupid though, this idea that the Autobots are "stuck" on Earth, which Magnus again reminds us about this issue as well. I am begging Mike to please never mention this again. No matter how many times he tries to convince us this makes sense, it never really will. So let's just assume that for whatever reason, the Autobots are there and leave it at that.

Give this issue a "C+".

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Posted 08 December 2010 - 10:35 PM

I'm curious if the deal with the Cerebro shells doesn't have anything to do with some rather specifically directed anti-autobot fervor.
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Posted 09 December 2010 - 02:16 AM

QUOTE(Commander Shockwav @ Dec 8 2010, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Most intriguing to me now is the newly arising question, "What are Megatron's remains doing on Earth?". Now, I'm not sure what will happen with this or what Costa will do with it, but I see a potentially kickass twist that could occur here if done right. Consider that issue when Starscream's Decepticons on that asteroid were first shown. Seemingly out of nowhere, Shockwave was present, for just one panel. And since that time, he has remained conspicuously absent. No sign of him in the last issue when Hot Rod attacked. Interestingly, Megatron's new body is much more akin to Shockwave himself, in both color and design. Also interestingly, the new Megatron showed no concern for the very item he chased around the galaxy, the Matrix. I would think that strange for Megatron and out of character. But not so much for Shockwave, who never really desired it.

So what if, what if, this new Megatron isn't Megatron at all? What if this is Shockwave given new form? A form, dare I say, that somewhat mimics his new upcoming form in the movie, given his sillohuette in the prequel comics yet to be published?

Why would Shockwave do this? I don't know, but I would think an adept writer could certainly create a good enough motive to make this one of the greatest twists in a comic book since Ratchet and Megs got blown together into one being. Perhaps Shockwave might do this to more easily usurp Decepticon authority. Megatron's troops would never question Megatron. They might do so with Shockwave.


Very interesting idea. Unfortunately, I think that's also the same reason that it won't be that. So far Costa has shown no variation from doing the expected and obvious.


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Posted 09 December 2010 - 08:15 AM

QUOTE(Echowarrior @ Dec 8 2010, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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As for the Megatron head - the last couple pages establish that somewhere in Central America (presumably Mexico), a large thing resembling Megatron's head crashed roughly four months prior to the events of this issue, and that the locals have been making replicas of Megatron's old P-38 alternate mode for some time - one of which was the gun used to shoot Bumblebee.

Now, Megatron's still got a head, so what happened? Did he swap out heads with his rebuilt body? Is the Megatron we saw last issue a fake?


Now, that's what I call a CLUSTERHUG.

Seriously, the Mexicans are making G1 Megatron toys now? I thought that was the Chinese' job the make KOs. icon-hotrod.gif

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So what if, what if, this new Megatron isn't Megatron at all? What if this is Shockwave given new form? A form, dare I say, that somewhat mimics his new upcoming form in the movie, given his sillohuette in the prequel comics yet to be published?


This'd be all nice and interesting... but all of Costa's "big reveals" so far has been incredibly unimpressive and totally predictable. (Swindle's betrayal, Metroplex's appearance, Alpha Trion... not being evil..., Starscream NOT doing anything with the matrix) After the 5th or so such disappointment, I am not holding my breath. Usually the fan theories behind these odd things, such as yours, are more interesting then what the writer could have made up.



Edited by BB Shockwave, 09 December 2010 - 08:22 AM.


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Posted 09 December 2010 - 03:08 PM

Love that Shockwave sig pic.

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 08:34 AM

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Love that Shockwave sig pic.


A friend made it for me - he is a T-shirt designer, so I have it on a T-shirt as well... icon-hotrod.gif Nice to see you, by the way! Ever since my office blocks Transfans and TFW2005 I haven't really visited those boards.

And you are right, there is certainly something alien, almost Bayformer-ish in the new Megs design. However, IDW Shockwave has really shown no indication for leadership so far. He is a scientist, and more importantly, a survivor. He still has some backlash to fear from Megs due to his actions with creating Ore 13 behind his back, but given the current desperate situation of the Cons I doubt Megs would have brought that one up. Also, there is the thing with Soundwave... while Furman has shown him as an opportunist, Shane and Costa portrayed him again as the never-speaking (man, how I hated that in Dreamwave...) Megatron loyalist. I doubt Shockwave could have pulled a switch while he was watching over Megatron.

Then again, Shocky was working on a spacebridge... which would have allowed him to dump Megatron on Earth. (Why there, though, where he knows Decepticons and Autobots plus sentient, hostile life-forms with a grudge against cybertronians reside... that makes little sense).

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Love that Shockwave sig pic.


A friend made it for me - he is a T-shirt designer, so I have it on a T-shirt as well... icon-hotrod.gif Nice to see you, by the way! Ever since my office blocks Transfans and TFW2005 I haven't really visited those boards.

And you are right, there is certainly something alien, almost Bayformer-ish in the new Megs design. However, IDW Shockwave has really shown no indication for leadership so far. He is a scientist, and more importantly, a survivor. He still has some backlash to fear from Megs due to his actions with creating Ore 13 behind his back, but given the current desperate situation of the Cons I doubt Megs would have brought that one up. Also, there is the thing with Soundwave... while Furman has shown him as an opportunist, Shane and Costa portrayed him again as the never-speaking (man, how I hated that in Dreamwave...) Megatron loyalist. I doubt Shockwave could have pulled a switch while he was watching over Megatron.

Then again, Shocky was working on a spacebridge... which would have allowed him to dump Megatron on Earth. (Why there, though, where he knows Decepticons and Autobots plus sentient, hostile life-forms with a grudge against cybertronians reside... that makes little sense).


Ah, I was wondering why you weren't on Transfans. Besides the frequent lack of debate etiquette there, I mean.

I don't really think my theory is really a theory, but rather an idea for where I would have taken things had I been in Costa's position. Don't think there's any way in hell he'd write something that unpredictable, unfortunately. If he had showed some clever tendencies in the past, I might have thought my idea possible, or at least something along those lines. As it is, I'm not really holding my breath that I might be wowed by something in the ongoing.


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Posted 10 December 2010 - 04:12 PM

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TOY. NOW.

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Posted 10 December 2010 - 04:31 PM

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Megatron's old P-38 alternate mode

TOY. NOW.



...You do realize I'm talking about his old Walther P-38 alternate mode (and thus, his original G1 toy), and not some variety of aircraft, yes?

Seriously, that toy's been around since at least the eighties - probably longer. If you want one so bad, find one and buy one. Sheesh.


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Posted 10 December 2010 - 05:41 PM

...Oh. Damn. That does make sense.

I was thinking one of these. Goldbox Highbrow is similar, but...

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Love that Shockwave sig pic.


A friend made it for me - he is a T-shirt designer, so I have it on a T-shirt as well... icon-hotrod.gif Nice to see you, by the way! Ever since my office blocks Transfans and TFW2005 I haven't really visited those boards.

And you are right, there is certainly something alien, almost Bayformer-ish in the new Megs design. However, IDW Shockwave has really shown no indication for leadership so far. He is a scientist, and more importantly, a survivor. He still has some backlash to fear from Megs due to his actions with creating Ore 13 behind his back, but given the current desperate situation of the Cons I doubt Megs would have brought that one up. Also, there is the thing with Soundwave... while Furman has shown him as an opportunist, Shane and Costa portrayed him again as the never-speaking (man, how I hated that in Dreamwave...) Megatron loyalist. I doubt Shockwave could have pulled a switch while he was watching over Megatron.

Then again, Shocky was working on a spacebridge... which would have allowed him to dump Megatron on Earth. (Why there, though, where he knows Decepticons and Autobots plus sentient, hostile life-forms with a grudge against cybertronians reside... that makes little sense).


Ah, I was wondering why you weren't on Transfans. Besides the frequent lack of debate etiquette there, I mean.

I don't really think my theory is really a theory, but rather an idea for where I would have taken things had I been in Costa's position. Don't think there's any way in hell he'd write something that unpredictable, unfortunately. If he had showed some clever tendencies in the past, I might have thought my idea possible, or at least something along those lines. As it is, I'm not really holding my breath that I might be wowed by something in the ongoing.


He sort of has Animated Longarm's color scheme minus the blue. Are we going to see another face-flipping switcheroo?
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Interesting theory to be sure. I know I was like "WTF?" when I saw those last pages.

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 12:57 PM

Did this chapter feel short to anyone else?

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Posted 11 December 2010 - 03:41 PM

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Did this chapter feel short to anyone else?


It did feel as if it had a faster pace to it than previous issues did, which is probably a good thing.
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