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@  Bass X0 : (16 July 2020 - 09:43 AM)

Circuit-breaker '84, this is Megatron's rubber duck. We've got ourselves a Rodimus Convoy. Do you copy? Over.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 07:06 AM)

I'm not going to sit here and bicker with you. I've made my point very clear and have nothing more to say on the issue.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 07:00 AM)

I can't do anything to prevent hurricanes either but it'd be absurd to suggest I therefore shouldn't talk about them.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:57 AM)

Basically neither you nor I even like South Park anyways so the best you can do is leave it alone rather than suggest it is corrupting hearts and minds.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

In that case I'm... not sure what the point is?

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:53 AM)

Nobody should be taking their morals from South Park. You can't prevent people from doing it. It's an artistic work with fans. I don't think I'm off-track.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:51 AM)

As far as I can tell you just of course'd the thing you were poopooing...

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:47 AM)

Also, this is starting to get a bit too serious for the shoutbox (though it already was)

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:47 AM)

"It's that they're internalizing the overall attitude that the writers display through the show's writing." Of course, that's South Park's "artistic" style. It's what South Park's audience wants, and that's okay.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:47 AM)

You can probably finish the sentence "I got 50% of my sense of humor from" with the name of some fictional work.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:45 AM)

And it still wouldn't be S.W.A.T.'ss or Grey's Anatomy's or South Park's fault.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 July 2020 - 06:45 AM)

The idea isn't that people are taking South Park's in-universe parody moral lessons seriously (though as Nevermore points out, you can't safely assume that isn't also happening). It's that they're internalizing the overall attitude that the writers display through the show's writing.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:45 AM)

"People say" those people are right, and you should listen to them. We can't protect people from themselves, but you can advise them well.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2020 - 06:27 AM)

So many medical disasters because someone took what they saw on a hospital show at face value.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2020 - 06:25 AM)

So many people who think police and court procedure works like it does in Hollywood, and act accordingly. Sometimes to their own disadvantage, sometimes just to the frustration of well-meaning authorities.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2020 - 06:24 AM)

People say "you shouldn't take your morals from a TV show" all the time, but regardless of how these people want things to work doesn't mean other people aren't doing it anyways.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:01 AM)

And I mean, if you're looking for a 1950s conservative position on something, it's certainly that a TV show is rotting children's minds.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2020 - 06:00 AM)

Conservatives are not hiding under the bed waiting to ruin... uh... Family Guy of all things? And like, nobody should be taking their morals from South Park. Expecting such things is impractical.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 July 2020 - 01:10 AM)

It was just the cartoon with those foul mouthed kids in the UK until that bubble burst after the movie. Reviewers joked the movies target audience would be unable to see it for the rating.

@  Paladin : (15 July 2020 - 05:14 PM)

see also: "South Park." the show that poisoned a generation by teaching them "it's stupid to feel for other people."

@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:04 AM)

'Take that! People who care about things!'

@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:02 AM)

With Brian, he stopped being the voice of reason and started to be the right wing notion of a liberal, someone who's lazy, pretentious, doesn't work at anything, is every bit as abusive as the rest of the cast and only wins arguments with strawmen.

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

Of course, I stopped enjoying Family Guy around that time, so my bias is clear. XP

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:54 AM)

Is it because they changed or we changed?  Stuff that was charming, or at least, funny at first can get really annoying the longer you know a person... and I find that can go for fictional characters as well.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

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@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:45 AM)

One example is Family Guy where around season 8 Brian is suddenly reviled by everyone and has acted way out of character since.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:44 AM)

My least favorite thing in fiction is when it changes hands so you get a author, writer or showrunner who hates a character or messes with a arc/layout.

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

You'll shoot yer eye out, kid.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I shot the sheriff.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:24 PM)

han wasn't even in the movie until later

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:23 PM)

the stormtroopers shot first

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 03:33 PM)

Maclunkey

@  Paladin : (14 July 2020 - 06:18 AM)

the correct answwer to "who shot first" will always be "Harrison Ford if he ever hears that hugging question again."

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 July 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Han shot first. Plain and simple.

@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH


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#21 M Virion

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 01:22 PM

*Crosses fingers for Hugo Strange*

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 01:38 PM

"The Dark Knight Rises" sounds more befitting the first movie in the series, but I'll give it a shot.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 02:10 PM

I like the title, and frankly, I wasn't banking on Riddler. Not sure why, but everyone seemed to be certain it would be him.

Penguin has been ruled out before. I believe Catwoman has also... but who knows? Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy are both unlikely. So, let's take a look at who that leaves.

Talia al Ghul. This would tie in with the first movie as well, you get a strong villain... and she also fullfills the love interest role that Rachel Dawes left void when the Joker offed her.

Black Mask. He's never been done outside of comics and animation before, he could work.

Hush. Not likely, but I feel he is possible.

Bane. More likely than Hush, and he could be interesting if done right.

Harley Quinn. They already said they won't re-cast the Joker. But if they had concrete Joker plans, they could always give them to Harley.

Those are the five. that immediately come to mind.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 02:17 PM

Catwoman, Talia, Huge Strange, or Black Mask seem the most likely IMO.

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for King Tut.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 02:20 PM

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I like the title, and frankly, I wasn't banking on Riddler. Not sure why, but everyone seemed to be certain it would be him.

Because a realistic, well-done Riddler could have seriously tested Batman's intellect, and really played up the "World's Greatest Detective" angle of his character. That sort of thing seems right up Nolan's alley, much more than a superhero romp.

Hugo Strange seems like he'd be an appropriate fit in that same vein, so that would be okay.

But I'd prefer not to see Penguin, Harley, Poison Ivy, Bane, or really anyone so obvious. A well-done Robin could be good, but Nolan has previously said he'd had no interest in going there.

Whatever they end up doing, I'm sure it'll be awesome. And will probably be Leonardo DiCaprio. Mark it down - you heard it here first. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 02:36 PM

Egghead.


done.


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Posted 27 October 2010 - 02:45 PM

QUOTE(skankerzero @ Oct 27 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Egghead.


done.


Only if Bill Hader plays him.
Man does a hell of a Price impression.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:10 PM

I like Paul Dini's comment on the title: "The Dark Knight Rises. If the villain does turn out to be Catwoman, I can hear the snickering already."
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:22 PM

I hope Scarecrow pops up again. He and Bats have never had a proper face off.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:29 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Oct 27 2010, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope Scarecrow pops up again. He and Bats have never had a proper face off.


I've seen enough of him, personally.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE(Rust @ Oct 27 2010, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I hope Scarecrow pops up again. He and Bats have never had a proper face off.


Nolan's definitely painting him as the thorn in Batman's side- which is good. Killing off Ra's and Two-Face closed the book on them a little too completely.

Now, Nolan said specifically that the villain would not be the Riddler. This doesn't necessarily preclude the Riddler from being in the movie, given A) some of the promo material we've seen has been Riddler themed and B) Nygma has spent a long time recently in the comics as a legitimate detective, which would provide a really great angle on the story: two of the world's greatest forensic minds square off against whatever threat the main antagonist of the movie poses. Maybe Nolan's Riddler will be intent on exposing the Batman, which would be a really fun story.

Thanks to some meddling in my perceptions by a certain Canadian fellow staffer, my money's on the recently cast Tom Hardy playing Tommy Elliott/Hush. But for the story to work like it did in the comics, it'd require Jason Todd.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 04:47 PM

I like the idea of Harley taking up with the Joker left off. I doubt she'd be the only antagonist, but I'd love to watch her on the big screen.

And another scuff with the Scarecrow would be neat. We'll see.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:14 PM

Two-Face should return. Yeah, I saw Dark Knight and ther ending , but is he really dead? I doubt it.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:24 PM

As fang said:

Nothing is stopping Edward Nigma from being in the movie.

He could be a forensic detective that ends up going mad at the end of the movie as he's trying to track down the same villain that Batman is tracking down.
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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE(fangwing @ Oct 27 2010, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks to some meddling in my perceptions by a certain Canadian fellow staffer, my money's on the recently cast Tom Hardy playing Tommy Elliott/Hush. But for the story to work like it did in the comics, it'd require Jason Todd.


Couldn't Rachael be an acceptable substitute in this case?


QUOTE(NICKSTART @ Oct 27 2010, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I like the idea of Harley taking up with the Joker left off. I doubt she'd be the only antagonist, but I'd love to watch her on the big screen.


I say Harley should be played by Milla Jovovich.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 05:52 PM

I dig it

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:06 PM

As I've said before, Catwoman pretty much needs to show up in some form to resolve the in-joke foreshadowing from TDK (about the bat-suit being effective against cats). Dramatically, you just don't leave a perfect setup like that hanging. Plus, what with the copybats seen in TDK, a cat-themed catburglar makes logical sense as a progression. She'd also work as the romantic/UST lead.

And whatever Nolan says, I still think the Penguin would work as Gotham's newest Mob Boss --one who Batman and Gordon both know is dirty, but they can't make anything stick because he owns all the (surviving) lawyers. (Cue the irony; if Harvey was still around, he'd be able to put Penguin away: ergo, the Penguin's continuing reign is Batman's fault.)

As for the Riddler, we've never really seen Nolanverse Batman working as a detective --the bullet scene in TDK was him letting the computer do his work for him. If the arc of the Nolan trilogy is Bruce becoming the Batman we know and love, he needs to go up against an intellectual enemy, one who can force him to hone his own detective skills (as Scarecrow/Ra's al Ghul helped hone his psychological theatricality and Joker honed his relentlessness). Yes, make Nygma a hired investigator, out to unmask the Batman --Riddler has never really worked as a flat-out criminal; he's better when he's attacking Batman specifically.

Only drawback is that none of these are really a physical match for the all-important climactic set-piece battle. They'd need some hired muscle. Perhaps a professional assassin brought in by Nygma (or by Penguin to follow Nygma). Bane would be the obvious one, but reducing him to the dumb muscle kinda undermines what makes him a great character. Maybe Deadshot. . .

And yeah, I'm working under the assumption that this will be Nolan's last bat-movie. I just hope whoever follows him keeps the "Nolanverse" sensibility and doesn't try to reboot. This is the first filmic approach to Gotham city that has ever really grabbed me. Not as grimdark as the Keaton era, no giant statues, no over-the-top neon. . .

(That said, I am a fan of what Harold Ramis calls "the Domino approach" to reality: start with something perfectly realistic, then change one single [plausible] detail, then change another, then another, until you have a giant anthropomorphic marshmallow stomping through midtown and the audience still thinks it makes perfect sense. If Nolan wants to take a tiny little step toward cryo-based weaponry or biological reactions in silicate, or genetic research introducing chlorophyll into animal cells, then I certainly won't stop him.)

EDIT: spelling.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:49 PM

I'd like to see Mr. Zsasz. He would fit in perfectly.

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:52 PM

Ooh. I like the idea Riddler as sort of a rival. Antagonistic in that he's trying to unmask Batman, but not a villain... Maybe also going after the Bad Guy(s).

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Posted 27 October 2010 - 06:53 PM

QUOTE(skankerzero @ Oct 27 2010, 05:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
As fang said:

Nothing is stopping Edward Nigma from being in the movie.

He could be a forensic detective that ends up going mad at the end of the movie as he's trying to track down the same villain that Batman is tracking down.



So at that point I'd have to ask, why would we want that? Assuming there's a vanishingly small chance of another Batman after this, at least with Nolan at the helm, why would we want the move to waste time on setting up a character that will never be realized?