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@  Shrug : (20 September 2017 - 02:24 PM)

That whole flat-rate shipping thing makes the math easy.

@  Shrug : (20 September 2017 - 02:23 PM)

4 bucks

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 September 2017 - 02:15 PM)

Hmm. How much is shipping from BBTS?

@  NightViper : (20 September 2017 - 02:09 PM)

Set of the four is still $22 at BBTS

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (20 September 2017 - 02:00 PM)

Ramhorn is currently available from a third party seller via Amazon for $27.

@  Robowang : (20 September 2017 - 11:47 AM)

Anybody have the TR PM OP trading card they don't want? I lost mine! Will pay you for it.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (20 September 2017 - 11:35 AM)

If you don't need her I'll take her off ya.

@  BlackMax : (20 September 2017 - 10:04 AM)

When I get that power-batteryOptimus I swear I will carry it everywhere. It'll be like having a useful tool AND being six years old again all at once.

@  Robowang : (20 September 2017 - 09:58 AM)

I guess he's gone now. Oh well.

@  Robowang : (20 September 2017 - 09:56 AM)

I saw Ramhorn all over ebay for $16 a week ago or so.

@  Shrug : (20 September 2017 - 09:02 AM)

Just ordered Arcee.  I don't need her.  But she's pink.  And a robot.  A combination I love.

@  Darknova4life : (20 September 2017 - 08:57 AM)

@ Robowang, Where is TR Ramhorn available for $16?

@  Shrug : (20 September 2017 - 07:31 AM)

Besides spotty, this is the first time I've consistently seen reships of older waves months after the next 2/3 waves show up.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 September 2017 - 07:29 AM)

No kidding spotty. Haven't seen of the recent waves, and I desperately want a seaspray for my brother.

@  Robowang : (20 September 2017 - 07:05 AM)

Distribution is so spotty these days that I've given in and just started ordering everything. I'm probably going to wind up with a $16 Ramhorn, too.

@  MidnightFox : (19 September 2017 - 08:51 PM)

So they've been out at regular retail hit and miss for awhile.

@  MidnightFox : (19 September 2017 - 08:50 PM)

I picked up Misfire at a Target in Mississippi in mid-August.

@  Shrug : (19 September 2017 - 05:09 PM)

I think so. I checked his post history just now and he mentions buying something in North Carolina

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 September 2017 - 05:04 PM)

A U.S. Walmart?

@  Shrug : (19 September 2017 - 04:41 PM)

Saw someone found Misfire's wave at Walmart on Reddit. First normal retail sighting I've heard. I'm more hopeful now.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (19 September 2017 - 04:04 PM)

I'm praying I will be able to find Misfire and Slugslinger at brick and mortar somehow.

@  Xellos : (19 September 2017 - 03:22 PM)

Getting the set of 3, myself. Figure I'll keep Hot Rod in package (still my fave character), and give Kup to my nephew to help expand his current fascination with Transformers.

@  Telly : (19 September 2017 - 11:56 AM)

i got slugslinger for $30 from amazon as well. i can imagine thatll be the standard price at most places since theyll jack up the price to cover having all those kup and hot rods sitting in their stores

@  Robowang : (19 September 2017 - 08:16 AM)

Yes, I bought the $30 one on Amazon. I'd rather just pay the $30 than pay $60 and be stuck with an extra Hot Rod and Kup I can't sell.

@  Robowang : (19 September 2017 - 07:34 AM)

Slugslinger, Misfire, and Triggerhappy look amazing together. Best of Titans Return, as far as I'm concerned.

@  Noideaforaname : (18 September 2017 - 11:32 PM)

gads, why is this site so bad at loading at times?

@  Steevy Maximus : (16 September 2017 - 08:29 PM)

Thank you Hasbro for having never reissued the 2011 City Strike Destro figure...already at $32 with a week left.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 September 2017 - 07:47 PM)

Asking someone which year of "university" they're in seems so much more sophisticated than asking which year of "college" they're in.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 September 2017 - 09:04 PM)

Hooray! It only took 8 years, but laika finally learned to NOT play with the striped kitty!

@  Bass X0 : (15 September 2017 - 04:38 PM)

It was "Take Your Laserbeak To Work Day".... well, for me it was anyway. I was getting bored of being on hold when I made calls, so wanted something to relieve the boredom.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2017 - 04:25 PM)

Can you hear me now? *CRACK*

@  MEDdMI : (15 September 2017 - 04:25 PM)

Pshaw, internet! Back in my day, we wrote notes, wrapped them around rocks, and threw them at each other's heads!

@  Benbot : (15 September 2017 - 03:32 PM)

That's why I used Napster at work

@  wonko the sane? : (15 September 2017 - 11:37 AM)

Didn't know that then... pay for high speed so I don't have to now.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 September 2017 - 09:00 AM)

every browser had a super-easy-to-find "turn off images" option if you wanted pages to load faster

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 September 2017 - 08:19 AM)

I still hear the dial-up modem scream in my nightmares.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 September 2017 - 08:18 AM)

And you are not alone...

@  Pennpenn : (15 September 2017 - 07:53 AM)

Trust me Predaking, I am ancient enough to hold such memories.

@  The Predaking : (15 September 2017 - 07:50 AM)

That 3 MB mp3 was lost forever.

@  The Predaking : (15 September 2017 - 07:49 AM)

You will never know the pain of Downloading a file on Dial up for 6 hours, only to have it stop at 99%.

@  Pennpenn : (15 September 2017 - 07:47 AM)

I love when I'm downloading something and the download rate is inversly proportinal to the progress meter.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 September 2017 - 12:47 AM)

I'm thinking of using the original Dragon Quest to help me with my Japanese since it only uses Hiragana and has spaces. :)

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 September 2017 - 10:40 PM)

I was partial to King's Quest and Police Quest

@  MaxVer : (14 September 2017 - 08:21 PM)

Currently playing part 2.

@  The Predaking : (14 September 2017 - 01:56 PM)

Man, I love those games!

@  The Predaking : (14 September 2017 - 01:56 PM)

dragon quest

@  Shrug : (13 September 2017 - 09:01 PM)

Just sitting above the toy section. Taunting me.

@  Shrug : (13 September 2017 - 09:00 PM)

My local store got a fresh deluxe box of TR Wave 1 and two boxes of deluxe TLK Wave 1. Even though they already had 3 boxes worth of TLK Wave 1

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (13 September 2017 - 07:08 PM)

Almost all the Titans Return is sold out at my nearest Target and Walmart, but I'm traveling this weekend and may try different ones.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 September 2017 - 06:12 PM)

I don't have -any- TR at my walmart.


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#41 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 08:22 PM


I want to make one thing very clear: I love fan panels. I earlier listed many examples of great fan panels BC routinely has.

My "in the age of the Internet they are unnecessary" comment refers to the type of fan panel that apparently these guys want BC to have instead of anything with actual content: just self-moderated roundtable shoot-outs, like if a bunch of friends were discussing a given topic over pizza, except in this case they aren't actually friends.... yet. I love socializing at conventions, but I truly do not get the whole "go HERE at this hour in order to socialize ABOUT THIS TOPIC." Let people be people! We're all gonna talk about this stuff, we don't need a frickin' SCHEDULE to do it! A how-to panel, a hidden easter egg panel, a LARP panel--those need to be scheduled. Not "Show Up And Talk."

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 08:32 PM

QUOTE(Thylacine2000 @ Jul 5 2010, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love socializing at conventions, but I truly do not get the whole "go HERE at this hour in order to socialize ABOUT THIS TOPIC." Let people be people!

Because it's a whole lot easier in a greasing-the-social-wheels sense to go into a room and know there's going to be a specific topic everyone wants to discuss, than it is to try and get a random group of people together in the mere hope that everyone possibly maybe will want to discuss or know about any of the same topics. Especially if you get someone to run the panel who actually has some kind of expertise in the topic or subject at hand.

I mean, you could feasibly get a random group of TF fans together and have everyone have completely different experience regards which continuities they have or haven't read, whether they kitbash or costume or draw or write or not, whether they collect like mad or don't know the toys much beyond the occasional "looks cool figure", etc.

(Not that random groups don't also have their charm, but one is not a replacement for the other.)

Edited by Jeysie, 05 July 2010 - 08:34 PM.


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Posted 05 July 2010 - 09:13 PM

I envision myself going up to the case of glass figures and being like "Oh man, that new fallen figure is bad ass! " and seeing what conversation that sparks with the people around me. That's something they can comment on immediately and I know I'll get a few "oh yeah, definately" or "nah, i like this guy even more" type comments. Which if we're all nerding out should be a fairly adequate talking point.

Now i imagine these dudes would be all like "this is totally stupid. Who wants a guy who combines with these little things? What are these? Where the hell is Optimus!" and that would not be such a welcoming topic for people who are oogling and getting huge boners off of this stuff. So yeah, I can see why they wouldn't want to mingle.


P.S. Most casual fans I know love Beast Wars. They watched it when they were going to school. So yeah. These guys are pretty cool.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:29 PM

Yeah, I do just fine making casual conversation with people in line or at the Hasbro displays, and having friends to enjoy the hobby with during the weekend. Not to mention how much of an unfun, logistical nightmare an organized, live discussion sounds like. It's just... weird.
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Posted 05 July 2010 - 10:38 PM

I've missed the last two Botcons... and wow does it hurt to think about that. In the end the part I miss the most is the people. There are SO MANY PEOPLE that I love to meet up with and just be a goofy bastard with.
And yeah, we of course talk our heads off about TFs. A lot of it happens in the lobby. I'm one of those people that love it for the people. People I've met on the boards or at the Con or people in the industry I look forward to seeing each time and having them recognize me (trash talking with David Kaye as we ran into each other over and over in Rhode Island was pretty damn funny). I still owe Pete a beer or seventeen.

Lounging around the rooms or being rowdy and drunk, I look forward to doing that with my friends there. It made me extra sad this year when I started getting texts from people asking me if I'd be there. icon-screamer.gif


Gah, sorry for the rambling nonsense. I'll stop now and head to bed.

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Posted 05 July 2010 - 11:42 PM

The problem with fan panels at Botcon, other than the oft proven lackluster attendance that they receive, is that as long as they are advertised on the schedule they reflect on Botcon, FunPub and Hasbro.

So if you have a fan panel where it's some ass in front of a crowded room...a somewhat full room...5 other people, and he spouts out hate, anyone offended by such a panel would have the right to blame FunPub (and Hasbro, since it's an "official" convention) for what they just endured. They accepted the panel, authorized the content by allowing it to take place, and advertised it by printing it on the schedule. So anything that sounds like it could turn into anything the least bit offensive has to be nixed. Completely.

Also, anything that could be considered inappropriate for children has to be cut as well. This isn't an adult-oriented Sci-Fi convention, where kids are practically 3rd string. FunPub and Hasbro actively encourage attendees to bring their children and strive for a family-friendly environment. Which means no undirected fan panels where the discussion can quickly turn vulgar and/or be laced with profanity.

I'm not saying that fan-panels be scrapped, but I can certainly understand the need to deny any panels that can turn out offensive, vulgar, or just plain dumb. Maybe they could just label one of the vacant panel rooms as a "discussion" room, where fans can wander in and express their feelings without it being a true and planned panel. But then again, isn't that what the queues are? And the hallways? And the lobby? And the dinner? And the empty panel rooms where some fans already gather and discuss Transformers?

Edited by Shattered, 05 July 2010 - 11:44 PM.


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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:08 AM

QUOTE(Shattered @ Jul 6 2010, 12:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
So if you have a fan panel where it's some ass in front of a crowded room...a somewhat full room...5 other people, and he spouts out hate, anyone offended by such a panel would have the right to blame FunPub (and Hasbro, since it's an "official" convention) for what they just endured. They accepted the panel, authorized the content by allowing it to take place, and advertised it by printing it on the schedule. So anything that sounds like it could turn into anything the least bit offensive has to be nixed. Completely.


Yeah, it was bad enough when it was Michael Bell telling penis jokes.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:24 AM

I for one would love a roundtable where people get together and tell racist jokes with a Transformers bent.

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#49 Walky

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 12:27 AM

I think they call that <insert name of sketchy Transformers message board here>.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:41 AM

I had a really good time. There was always something to do, or people to meet and talk to. I had pretty much zero downtime. My only regret is that it didn't last longer!

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 02:54 AM

QUOTE(Sean Whitmore @ Jul 5 2010, 07:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I must admit, when it came time to fill out that "What else would you like to see" section of the questionnaire, I suggested fan-panel-ish stuff. If only because I couldn't think of anything more they could do from an industry standpoint ("Y'know those VA panels you already do? Keep doing that, but get different guys").

URG!!! I hate the questionnaire. I NEVER have time for it! This year it was so bad I totally forgot to hand it in. I didn't even remember when they were holding the draw for free attendance next year, thinking I was still in the drawing. *sigh*

I really wish I could just... go for the drawing, and fill this questionnaire out after I get home.

Even when I manage to find the time to fill it out, I'm too scatterbrained to think clearly for all of the questions. Some of those require some careful thinking, maybe even research.

I noticed one of them about what exclusives you'd like next year required you to pick either Classics molds or ... something else I forget. (maybe it was pre-BW molds?? I thought it was like "G1/foreign exclusives" or something) Very limited options. Sure you could suggest other things in another question, but for a full set, it was very specific.

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I guess I'd be up for some more contests/panels that accentuated fan interaction. Team trivia contest maybe, or a song parody contest where you perform in person. And while MSTF never appealed to me for a few reasons, I could see it benefiting from breaking up a movie into, say, 15-minute segments and having groups of 3 compete by goofing on them in turn. This is all real top-of-the-head stuff, I haven't given it a great deal of thought.

I was very sad not to have MSTF this year, although I do hate when it keeps me up past midnight and then I want to wake up the next morning really early. I think 15 minutes is way too short. Two blocks of an hour would be fine. Then it would be panel schedule sized.

QUOTE(Jeremy Gargo @ Jul 5 2010, 10:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Yeah, I do just fine making casual conversation with people in line or at the Hasbro displays, and having friends to enjoy the hobby with during the weekend. Not to mention how much of an unfun, logistical nightmare an organized, live discussion sounds like. It's just... weird.

A few of you have poo-pooed this. Even if it's not your thing, or even if it's not hugely popular, it still may serve a useful purpose for enough of us to be worth doing. I don't want the chance ruined for the rest of us.

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Posted 06 July 2010 - 11:52 AM

I was actually pretty sick during BC this year, and I still managed to have a great time. The con has always been about what you make of it, and if these people are that upset over how their experience went, well they are to blame for it.

That being said, with the attitude they have to the franchise, it is even better that Dinobot won! icon-hotrod.gif

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 12:50 AM

Wait. Tom Croom and Joey Snackpants? icon-primal.gif Well, I'm not surprised.

How could there be nothing to do at Botcon on Saturday? I pretty much stayed in the panels room all day and had a great time overall.

Grrr, I still remember them from the final Jacon (how can I forget. I was probably the only BW fan there) I mean, if you don't like Beast Wars that's perfectly fine with me but if you're gonna do a freaking panel stating that BW sucks then at least watch one episode, wikipedia it or something to know what in the world you are talking about. Seriously (and I have a recording of the panel) the only reasons they gave for not liking BW are the graphics and that transformers in the past disguised themselves as inanimate objects in order to fool people and transforming into animals is not going to fool other animals. >.< Uh, hello! The reason why they got the beast forms was to protect themselves from the unstable energon radiation. It's stated in the first 5 minutes for crying out loud! Season 1 practically beats you over the head about the stinking energon! Uh, Duh. Even as a bias BW fan, I can think of some better shortcomings for the series than that!

Sorry, but that has frustrated me to no end ever since and that has made the Hall of Fame dinner a million times more awesome just because of those two.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 05:42 AM

Wow.

Yeah... if you want nothing but your GEEWUN, BotCon is going to disappoint you. It's about love for the entire franchise.

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In short: if you were a little kid looking for the ?real? Bumblebee, you?d get confused really quickly.

Except to the little kids... the real Bumblebee IS the Camaro. icon-fire.gif

But yeah. Frankly, just reading this thread and the opinions presented within I feel like I've had more enjoyment out of BotCon (it is a very interesting thread to read) than these guys had by actually attending.

I will agree that you get what you put in at a convention. It's a social experience.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 11 July 2010 - 08:15 AM

Kind of a shame FP didn't allow them their piss poor panel. It would've been interesting to see them get torn apart by a whole legion of BW fans. Assuming, of course, they'd have had the energy to put the panel on, given how EXHAUSTING it is to walk around so much.
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Posted 11 July 2010 - 09:16 AM

Also, Thy and Pete have been earnestly trying to talk some sense into the minds of those nitwits, and while both have made nothing but solid, logical, factual arguments, they have been met with the equivalent of LALALALALALA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA.

I urge others to chime in as well:
http://www.tomcroom.com/?p=6403

Edited by Suspsy, 11 July 2010 - 09:27 AM.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 09:35 AM

QUOTE(Suspsy @ Jul 11 2010, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, Thy and Pete have been earnestly trying to talk some sense into the minds of those nitwits, and while both have made nothing but solid, logical, factual arguments, they have been met with the equivalent of LALALALALALA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA.

I urge others to chime in as well:
http://www.tomcroom.com/?p=6403

Actually, the first comment (Esteban) seems quite reasonable, and FP would do well to take him seriously.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 10:25 AM

QUOTE(Suspsy @ Jul 11 2010, 10:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, Thy and Pete have been earnestly trying to talk some sense into the minds of those nitwits, and while both have made nothing but solid, logical, factual arguments, they have been met with the equivalent of LALALALALALA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA.

I urge others to chime in as well:
http://www.tomcroom.com/?p=6403


Ahh, this is an eye opener. They're not the disgruntled fans they presented themselves as in the first post this thread linked to. They're pushing their own product, and it's something that people who go to BotCon would find pretty pointless. I mean, Jesus, the PS2 game? Are they also going to shock us with the revelation that there were Transformers after the movie (and they all sucked)?

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 11:53 AM

QUOTE(Suspsy @ Jul 11 2010, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, Thy and Pete have been earnestly trying to talk some sense into the minds of those nitwits, and while both have made nothing but solid, logical, factual arguments, they have been met with the equivalent of LALALALALALA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA.

I urge others to chime in as well:
http://www.tomcroom.com/?p=6403


One could attempt to refute these sackless holes of suck, but why bother? Who cares if you call BotCon a convention, a trade show, a robot orgy, or a near-catastrophe that still gives you nightmares? I've been to BotCons that I would classify by any or all four of those designations. People can complain that there's not enough BotCon hand-holding or kumbaya-ing all they want, but I've never been to a legitimate convention of any type that gives random strangers a convention room and says: "Hey guys, have fun. Bitch about stuff." There may perhaps be many conventions run tighter than BotCon, but they normally involve ceiling tiles and carpet swatches.

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Posted 11 July 2010 - 01:45 PM

QUOTE(G.B.Blackrock @ Jul 11 2010, 10:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Suspsy @ Jul 11 2010, 07:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Also, Thy and Pete have been earnestly trying to talk some sense into the minds of those nitwits, and while both have made nothing but solid, logical, factual arguments, they have been met with the equivalent of LALALALALALA WE CAN'T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALA.

I urge others to chime in as well:
http://www.tomcroom.com/?p=6403

Actually, the first comment (Esteban) seems quite reasonable, and FP would do well to take him seriously.

Yeah, that was my thought too. I agree the original authors are just being completely unreasonable at this point, but that first comment had some possible points worth considering. Unfortunately it's kind of getting drowned out now.

Edited by Jeysie, 11 July 2010 - 01:46 PM.