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@  NotVeryKnightly : (19 July 2019 - 01:17 PM)

It seems like, with these kind of things, anything not TF-specific is either in an existing thread or just not discussed since they're not part of something deemed important enough to get its own thread already.

@  Benbot : (19 July 2019 - 12:45 PM)

Yeah, but it's for Transformers specifically

@  Gryllid : (19 July 2019 - 12:39 PM)

There is. It's called "SDCC 2019 thread"

@  Benbot : (19 July 2019 - 12:24 PM)

no general SDCC thread?

@  Benbot : (19 July 2019 - 12:08 PM)

I never even bothered to see it.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (19 July 2019 - 10:30 AM)

O never hated it, the whole thing was an Indiana Jones movie. I didn't care for the CGI, but that's just nature of the beast.

@  Paladin : (19 July 2019 - 07:58 AM)

sidebar- has enough time passed that we can stop irrationally hating "Crystal Skull" yet?

@  Telly : (18 July 2019 - 09:18 PM)

after 38 years and i dont know how many viewings, today is the first time i noticed indiana jones doesnt use a revolver in the bar fight in raiders...

@  Kalidor : (18 July 2019 - 05:33 PM)

@Sabrblade Depends on when you're here. I used to have the backups happen once daily, now I have them happen once per hour so you might often see a hesitation at the top of every hour for 30-45 seconds.

@  Locoman : (18 July 2019 - 05:11 PM)

isn't that just Modern Family

@  Foffy : (18 July 2019 - 04:45 PM)

that's right. my gym teacher is a clown. new series coming to disney channel next fall

@  Foffy : (18 July 2019 - 04:44 PM)

all these clowns are making me run really fast.

@  Sabrblade : (18 July 2019 - 12:10 PM)

All this awesome SDCC news is really making these boards run slowly.

@  Bass X0 : (18 July 2019 - 07:54 AM)

Racism must be stopped. No matter the cost.

@  MEDdMI : (18 July 2019 - 07:49 AM)

Tine to stop buttering it up.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (17 July 2019 - 09:43 PM)

Well shucks.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 July 2019 - 08:14 PM)

The joke is a husk of its former self.

@  Paladin : (17 July 2019 - 01:15 PM)

Pop.

@  Shrug : (17 July 2019 - 10:15 AM)

Something something... corn bread?

@  MEDdMI : (17 July 2019 - 07:21 AM)

Ok, ok. Enough of the puns and let's all thank Kal for the amaizeing job he did.

@  Paladin : (17 July 2019 - 06:24 AM)

by now I think this jokes' been creamed.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2019 - 03:31 AM)

The kernel.

@  Nevermore : (17 July 2019 - 03:31 AM)

Who gives the orders in cybernetic warfare?

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:59 PM)

Zea mays

@  Xellos : (16 July 2019 - 09:53 PM)

Isn't that a kernel of truth.

@  Paladin : (16 July 2019 - 08:43 PM)

huh. suddenly the Squawk is popping.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 07:47 PM)

Not placing much stalk in this conversation.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 06:22 PM)

That's so corny.

@  Shrug : (16 July 2019 - 06:07 PM)

It's absurd how happy I am that a post of mine made the front page of Reddit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 05:46 PM)

Aww, shucks.

@  TriBlurr : (16 July 2019 - 05:45 PM)

Not till I taste the corn

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 05:43 PM)

You guys aren't being very nice. You're supposed to tell me I did "good, really good!"

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 July 2019 - 05:40 PM)

Just don't go beyond the rows.

@  Patch : (16 July 2019 - 05:39 PM)

Left over from the failed Beast Machines sequel, Beast Farmers

@  Patch : (16 July 2019 - 05:39 PM)

It's techno-organic corn

@  TriBlurr : (16 July 2019 - 05:26 PM)

We have a cornfield? Can I get a few ears?

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:56 PM)

And lastly, if it becomes too much hassle to deal with - it might just get sent into the cornfield and replaced with a Discord box anyway. So cool it.

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:55 PM)

Second thing is we do actually have the ability to ban users specifically from using Shoutbox if it's being abused like that

@  Kalidor : (16 July 2019 - 12:55 PM)

Hey all - just a reminder and heads up. The Shoutbox has been kept here as a courtesy because it's what you folks like in lieu of Discord - but a few things to remember is that P&R should stay in P&R and isn't really something that needs to be dragged out here in the most public of spaces.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 11:04 AM)

Done.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 July 2019 - 10:25 AM)

You can make a new one. I doubt anybody would stop you.

@  Nevermore : (16 July 2019 - 10:16 AM)

There was a thread but it appears to have disappeared. Might have been lost in one of the older forum sweeps.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 July 2019 - 09:58 AM)

Yeah this is pretty much circumventing the fact that we have different rules for political talk.

@  fourteenwings : (16 July 2019 - 09:55 AM)

Okay, so, basically, can we not do politics in here anymore? I mean, considering how often @Nevermore, you talk about your work conditions, don't you think it's time for a dedicated thread in P&R?

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:39 AM)

Scratch that; that's insulting to honest salads. Whatever that was was the text equivalent of hamburger.

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:38 AM)

Would you like some dressing to go with your word salad?

@  Paladin : (16 July 2019 - 09:34 AM)

yes; it now goes "shit piss hug *BLEEP* ^$@^ motherhuger **** turd fart encyclopedia & Socialism."

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 09:24 AM)

This is an American site, but isn't that unnecessarily severe language? IIRC it's one of the top four offensive pejoratives to English people

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (16 July 2019 - 08:52 AM)

It's amusing how so many (U.S.) wankers in this world love to whine "capitalism good socialism bad!" in the abstract while simultaneously pretending that megacorporations dominating de facto monopolies is anathema to the core capitalistic principle of competition benefits everyone.

@  unluckiness : (16 July 2019 - 05:17 AM)

I know Shockwave's super mode is pretty lame and Magnus is kinda greebly but it's not that bad.


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#221 Galenraff

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 04:05 PM

Maybe I'm a masochist, but here's what I see as I watch:

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-They ask "who's the dumbest transformer" and for some reason settle on Cosmos. They rudely cut people off who offer other reasonable ideas (like Soundwave or Perceptor, whose alt-modes were not especially cool) and somehow name poor Cosmos as "dumbest" rather than Wheelie or something else that I might've expected a fanboyish response to have been. So instead of just being whiny/bitchy, they're just talking about their personal likes/dislikes as if they're facts.

-Then they briefly summarize with very little detail or insight (as in, a newspaper article from 10 years ago could have done a more thorough job) G1, Scramble City, Season 3, and each Japanese series, while showing the openings. They also ask the audience to do the summaries in many cases, then correct them when they're wrong on the details. It's like a bad wiki article combined with crap you can find on YouTube.

-They then blatantly skip the Beast Era until the crowd basically screams "We want to hear about Beast Wars, it was amazing!" This is around the 18 minute mark. They claim certain toys are cool (Lio Convoy, for example), but that the shows suck. The crowd starts to turn on them and they're clearly on the defensive for a few minutes.

-Then they go back to RiD/Car Robots and get back to trying to "introduce" everyone to Japanese TFs. (Did you know that in Japan, "Optimus Prime" was just "Convoy?" If not, then yes, this might have been new information for you in the panel.)

-Then on to Armada when the crowd tries to pressure them into admitting Minicons are good. They admit they haven't seen the whole Unicron Trilogy, but that it was the best thing we'd gotten in America in a while.

-They talk about how Animated was actually alright, although they clearly think the name sucks. They also think "Optimus Prime is the leader" and that changing that took away one of the major things that made Transformers good. Joey Snackpants chimes in with "Prime's not the leader - it sucks." Weird Al is listed as the only *real* high point.

-They break down what they believe are the three overall plots to every episode/movie:
1 - Decepticons find new source of energon, Autobots have to stop them
2 - Decepticons find new way of making it, Autobots have to stop them
3 - New toy coming out, so there's an origin story so kids care enough to buy it

-Then there's some open range bitching about things that people didn't like in ROTF.

-They show some G1 footage, and complain about Autobots surfing in season 1 and how it's completely silly.

-They say the Optimus Prime with trailer in TF3 looks awesome.

-Some discussion about mass changing and how it's actually good that the movies don't really let them have Soundwave shrink down to a tape deck, for example. They think Megatron should have a big gun. It's also confusing to newbies that there's so many random robots hanging around in the background, like in the end of ROTF, and it's hard to keep straight.

(I'll admit, their stuff about the Bay movies is a bit obvious and not very insightful, but generally at least intelligent.)

-They talk about potential spoilers for the new movie. "Has anyone seen this picture online? Has anyone seen the cell phone video of the cars driving?" Etc. Also, Spielberg should be more involved.
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Hopefully I took the bullet so others don't have to. It's pretty lame, uninformative, kind of aggressive, and at times outright judgmental and self-important. It would've probably been a hit 15 years ago when stuff from Japan really was pretty largely unknown here in the states, but they just seem to come across as better-than-you know-it-alls through the whole thing, which I just don't have a lot of tolerance for.

Don't waste your time. It's pretty much exactly as expected, though I'll admit, it wasn't *as* dumb as expected.

But still certainly dumber than Cosmos!!

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 04:17 PM

Wow.

Isn't, like, a huge-ass chunk of the panel supposed to be dedicated to how Beast Wars sucks, though? With irrefutable arguments and all that jive?

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 23 August 2010 - 04:23 PM

I'm at 43 mins (that Internet Cookie had BETTER be good, Detour!) and I'm confirming everything Galenraff said. The only mention of Beast Wars was "IT SUCKS!!!! Moving on!"

Compelling arguments, those were.

EDIT: Now it's over. All in all, the descriptions of the Japanese series are pretty much a cheap, badly-produced and badly presented version of Protoman's Japanese Series from TFCon 2009. (Protoman's was instructive. That one? Berating.)

I want the last 45 mins of my life back!

Edited by Devcon, 23 August 2010 - 04:26 PM.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 06:52 PM

So he admits the designs were cool and the writing was good but "the plot lines went way out over here." Really? They show all of that japanese drivel and the Beast Wars is the stuff that was way out there?

Wow, that explanation sure was worth the wait.
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Posted 23 August 2010 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE(Detour @ Aug 23 2010, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Necromancy and all... but check it out, someone actually uploaded their SUPERDUPERSECRET DARE! The Ultimate Transformers Panel up on YouTube:


Ha ha!

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An internet cookie to anyone who's capable of sitting through the 45 minutes of this.


...oh, man. Good thing I'm about to make an alcohol run.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:00 PM

Those weren't Croom and Snackpants in the video though. Maybe they used the Dare! Ultimate!™ spreadsheet, but they are just the second-stringers.

Here's the real deal (split into many bite-size):
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:35 PM

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Wow.

Just . . . wow.

I have no intention of wasting my time sitting through this entire load of tripe; I think watched about five minutes total. It was more than enough to conclude that FP was very wise in not allowing these losers to put on their pathetic little panel. They'd either have performed to an empty room (and do note how SMALL that panel room in the vid is), or gotten laughed/booed out of the building. It's just two blowhard snobs fellating each other over their OMIGOD INTIMATE TF KNOWLEDGE.

Botcon is well above and beyond stupidity such as this.

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#228 Mouse_Pad

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:40 PM

Watched a couple minutes worth. Noted some incorrect facts. Had enough. This sort of thing might be interesting if you are only vaguely interested in Transformers and not particularly picky about facts, but it has no place at Botcon.

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:47 PM


Apparently that's what a REAL convention is supposed to be. Paying money to hear unimportant stupid nobodies getting basic facts wrong at you and snotting at you when you disagree with them.

Yeah, FP should totally have given that a slot in the panel room instead of Hideaki Yoke.





#230 Galenraff

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE(SteakNShake @ Aug 23 2010, 08:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those weren't Croom and Snackpants in the video though. Maybe they used the Dare! Ultimate!™ spreadsheet, but they are just the second-stringers.

Here's the real deal (split into many bite-size):
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

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Yeah, I know it wasn't them, but it was still that template, and Snackpants at least was in the room. If Croom was, I didn't catch them naming him.

I already watched one of these things, I'm not watching another. What I do want to see is Walky do a write up *as* he's making a drinking game of it though. That'd be hilarious to read! icon-fire.gif

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE(Devcon @ Aug 23 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm at 43 mins (that Internet Cookie had BETTER be good, Detour!) and I'm confirming everything Galenraff said. The only mention of Beast Wars was "IT SUCKS!!!! Moving on!"

Compelling arguments, those were.

EDIT: Now it's over. All in all, the descriptions of the Japanese series are pretty much a cheap, badly-produced and badly presented version of Protoman's Japanese Series from TFCon 2009. (Protoman's was instructive. That one? Berating.)

I want the last 45 mins of my life back!


Why thank you......... I think. Don't mind these people, you should have stopped at the anti Beast Wars rant.

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#232 Detour

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Posted 23 August 2010 - 11:29 PM

QUOTE(SteakNShake @ Aug 23 2010, 09:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those weren't Croom and Snackpants in the video though. Maybe they used the Dare! Ultimate!™ spreadsheet, but they are just the second-stringers.

Here's the real deal (split into many bite-size):
http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

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Wow, and that one's from 2007. I shudder to think what they say about Michael Bay in it.

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Aug 23 2010, 09:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I already watched one of these things, I'm not watching another. What I do want to see is Walky do a write up *as* he's making a drinking game of it though. That'd be hilarious to read! icon-fire.gif

Oh god yes I want to see that happen.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 24 August 2010 - 06:47 AM

QUOTE(Protoman @ Aug 23 2010, 11:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Devcon @ Aug 23 2010, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>

EDIT: Now it's over. All in all, the descriptions of the Japanese series are pretty much a cheap, badly-produced and badly presented version of Protoman's Japanese Series from TFCon 2009. (Protoman's was instructive. That one? Berating.)


Why thank you......... I think. Don't mind these people, you should have stopped at the anti Beast Wars rant.

I mean it. For someone who was new to this stuff, it was a good starter and for someone already familiar, it was an interesting second look at the Japanese side of the franchise. You were informative and insightful. Them? It's "We know stuff so listen up".
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#234 Petes Robot Con

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:26 PM

Why is the world would we bring two guys in to bash the franchise for 60 minutes. This is everything I pretty much thought it would be but worse. Two guys who think their opinions matter more than yours. That's what the internet is for (and apparently Florida Anime conventions...)

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 12:57 PM

Instead of their stupid panel, why not just invite Wankus back for a panel? Get him really drunk and just toss him a live mic. See what happens.

Hey, would be more fun than this stupidity.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 01:39 PM

So as I understand it, there are people who pay these two achievers actual, American currency to present this?

How in the world can one make a living on this?

Can I just quit my Doctorate, go fart into a microphone at small conventions, and call myself a professional?

How girl get pragnent?


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#237 Galenraff

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 01:47 PM

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Why is the world would we bring two guys in to bash the franchise for 60 minutes. This is everything I pretty much thought it would be but worse. Two guys who think their opinions matter more than yours. That's what the internet is for (and apparently Florida Anime conventions...)

I like how in one of the threads, they're talking about how they might just pay the full Primus package at Botcon next year to "see how we get treated when we pay more money." The assumption seems to be that Botcon wouldn't even let them register or attend, which is silly. icon-fire.gif I'm sure you guys would be happy to take their money, especially after all the annoyance they've caused. And really, if their attitude doesn't change and they still just want to be the most rabid geewunners out there, they'll have a crappy time again, and it will be their own fault again, not Botcon's. They'd just be two more bitchy whiny fanboys. Like there've never been any of *those* at Botcon. icon-primal.gif

It's weird too, I know I shouldn't even be giving them any of this attention, but it's like a trainwreck. This must be why regular people always watched Jerry Springer back in the day, so they'd have someone to compare themselves to and realize "damn, am I glad I'm not that screwed up as a human being."

Not Botcon-related, but one of them (forget which, and like it matters) had a post about starting to watch Doctor Who. Not because they were interested, or think the storytelling is good, or what-have-you, but because when they asked friends which Doctor was the best, they got different answers from everyone, and are determined to find out for themselves which Doctor is "the best." As if there's one definitive answer just waiting for them to discover it. So they don't even care to consider that their own friends, people they actually know and supposedly share emotional human bonds with, may have their won individual and unique opinions based upon subjective personal tastes.

To corrupt a phrase, people who live in glass epics shouldn't throw fails. icon-fire.gif

Edited by Galenraff, 24 August 2010 - 01:48 PM.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:06 PM

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Can I just quit my Doctorate, go fart into a microphone at small conventions, and call myself a professional?

If you go fart into a microphone at smell conventions, you could.

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Posted 24 August 2010 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE(ChessPieceFace @ Aug 24 2010, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(TC Interbot @ Aug 24 2010, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Can I just quit my Doctorate, go fart into a microphone at small conventions, and call myself a professional?

If you go fart into a microphone at smell conventions, you could.


icon-ironhide.gif Well played, sir!


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Posted 24 August 2010 - 08:35 PM

I got through one video, and even that was jumping around.


Man, hearing someone actually say "Bayformers" is totally different that reading it on a forum, that is to say it sounds incredible stupid, I guess it would be the same if people actually say Gee-Wun instead of G1.