You're the one slamming them as crap when I'm saying they aren't. You've made several factual errors which shows me you really weren't paying attention. Ergo, You're looking at them a certain way that limits your understanding. You are being elitist and you're doing it in an aggressive way.
More importantly, "How can you NOT love" is something said in jest. there's no way people who already voiced dislike would suddenly say "of course I love them!". That's stupid.
Saying "they aren't as great" is a whole other ballpark as decrying them as emo whiner cut-outs. Which I totally defend. Oh, and now you're attacking the plot too. Wonderful.
I'm saying they're crap, since they are. When a character's dialogue consists of "..." and "whatever" to 80%, you have a very, very jivey character. Love him all you want, he's not a good character. Nothing elitist about being realistic. Not remembering a tiny piece of story, that isn't even related to the one I'm "slamming" the most doesn't at all mean I wasn't paying attention, it just means I played the game TEN YEARS AGO, and it wasn't QUITE significant enough to remember.
It's funny that you accuse me of elitism, while you're going "you just don't understand the game and you suck!" about me disliking those characters.
When a character notices that GFs robbed him of all his childhood memories, and he keeps using them, still, without even BOTHERING to think back to what it did to him, he's a pretty damn shallow character.
If a character just suddenly notices he loves someone who he has been ragging on as being CRAP the entire time, just because they were abducted, that's a really shallow turn in story, and I pity everyone who "falls in love" that way.
There are many things wrong with FF8, and pointing them out does make NO ONE an elitist.
It doesn't work that way.
I do have a comment for Remilia Scarlet however. You said Squall was someone who generally hated people, but still was a nice guy. (Well in a nutshell anyway) I could have sworn I remember him saying that the reason he had withdrawn into himself was because he was afraid of being hurt by people, and at the same time afraid of hurting others. So he enclosed himself in a shell.
I don't know what the writers were thinking with that, either. Because WITH his shut in attitude, he did nothing BUT hurt everyone around him. Especially when it came to Quistis and Rinoa. He's so overangsting himself that he doesn't even notice how little sense anything he does makes.
Edited by Korcas, 24 November 2009 - 09:50 PM.