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@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:04 AM)

'Take that! People who care about things!'

@  Rycochet : (15 July 2020 - 11:02 AM)

With Brian, he stopped being the voice of reason and started to be the right wing notion of a liberal, someone who's lazy, pretentious, doesn't work at anything, is every bit as abusive as the rest of the cast and only wins arguments with strawmen.

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

Of course, I stopped enjoying Family Guy around that time, so my bias is clear. XP

@  Otaku : (15 July 2020 - 10:54 AM)

Is it because they changed or we changed?  Stuff that was charming, or at least, funny at first can get really annoying the longer you know a person... and I find that can go for fictional characters as well.

@  ▲ndrusi : (15 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

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@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:45 AM)

One example is Family Guy where around season 8 Brian is suddenly reviled by everyone and has acted way out of character since.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 July 2020 - 03:44 AM)

My least favorite thing in fiction is when it changes hands so you get a author, writer or showrunner who hates a character or messes with a arc/layout.

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

You'll shoot yer eye out, kid.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 July 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I shot the sheriff.

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:24 PM)

han wasn't even in the movie until later

@  ▲ndrusi : (14 July 2020 - 04:23 PM)

the stormtroopers shot first

@  Sabrblade : (14 July 2020 - 03:33 PM)

Maclunkey

@  Paladin : (14 July 2020 - 06:18 AM)

the correct answwer to "who shot first" will always be "Harrison Ford if he ever hears that hugging question again."

@  Maximus Ambus : (14 July 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Han shot first. Plain and simple.

@  -LittleAutob... : (13 July 2020 - 06:21 PM)

\(-_-)

@  Bass X0 : (13 July 2020 - 05:26 PM)

"Here's a little---whatever. A little thing. A disclosure. An insight. Revisionism---I've always been fascinated by it. By the idea of a writer going back and altering things. Make no mistake: an edit is a profoundly aggressive act. As Froid once said, we grieve for the murdered word. If you want to get the measure of an author, don't look at what they've left on the page.... look at what they've taken away." -- Rung (MTMTE #28)

@  Verno : (11 July 2020 - 11:20 PM)

2021: :idea :rolleyes :p :D

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:20 PM)

Perfection. :thumbsup

@  Patch : (11 July 2020 - 06:17 PM)

My plans:  :hmm  2020:  :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Our plans for 2020 were as amazing as Optimus Prime. But then 2020 came like Hot Rod.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 July 2020 - 05:50 PM)

Indeed....

@  Bass X0 : (11 July 2020 - 05:40 PM)

"He who dies with the most toys wins."

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:11 PM)

Hey you, get moving, it's not too far, you're looking good so come as you are. Hey you, you never know what you'll see, when it's through that door with the 73.

@  Rycochet : (11 July 2020 - 01:10 PM)

Hey you, get ready, get on your feet. Get into gear and hit the street.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 12:46 PM)

I recall number 73 (old british show) discussing the Transformers movie and had the presenters trying to transform a few figures, one argued his deflated beach ball was a Transformer too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 July 2020 - 08:03 AM)

And he's a big ball, but he's not the biggest ball of them all. (That'll be Pulse Unicron.)

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 July 2020 - 07:37 AM)

Trypticon so scared my Primus figure he turned into a ball.

@  ▲ndrusi : (09 July 2020 - 09:56 PM)

King Nine, however, will not return.

@  Bass X0 : (09 July 2020 - 05:05 PM)

Bass_X0 will return after these messages ^^^

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 July 2020 - 03:37 PM)

WHATAMIFIGHTINGFOOOOOOOOARRGH

@  -LittleAutob... : (09 July 2020 - 02:06 PM)

Okay?

@  Otaku : (09 July 2020 - 07:47 AM)

@TheMightyMollusk Ah, but the series itself has pronounced "Bass" both ways. ;)  Oh, 90s English Capcom video game voice acting...

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 July 2020 - 03:14 AM)

Looking at my Titan Returns collection I can see they realised they didn't have to paint the Titan Masters after wave one, lazy bums.

@  Maruten : (08 July 2020 - 09:13 PM)

No, I'm going with "fish".

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 July 2020 - 04:19 PM)

He stated that it's in reference to the Mega Man character, so it follows the series' tradition of music names.

@  Cybersnark : (08 July 2020 - 03:59 PM)

The real question is if it's "bass" as in music or "bass" as in the fish.

@  Otaku : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Well, at least now I know how to pronounce @Bass X0 's screen name. ^^'  Rather, I think I'd just forgotten.  In my defense, it really does look like an emoticon or maybe just "decoration", which is what a lot of folks add to their screen names online.  Usually because someone has the name they really want. XD

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 01:27 PM)

Extremely unimpressed with your idea that someone making a negative observation you don't like means they "got triggered."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (08 July 2020 - 11:16 AM)

You know somebody asked "And this would be in relation to... what exactly?"

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Its because someone got triggered over my random musings instead of just ignoring them. If I read one of your comments that is of no relevance or interest to me, I don't feel the need to say so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (08 July 2020 - 10:56 AM)

All this over someone's username lol

@  ▲ndrusi : (08 July 2020 - 08:34 AM)

Bazro.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (08 July 2020 - 06:34 AM)

It could be Bass 10-0

@  Nevermore : (08 July 2020 - 06:11 AM)

How do you pronounce yourself? "Bass Ex-O" or "Bass Ex-Zero"?

@  Bass X0 : (08 July 2020 - 03:23 AM)

I did almost go with Vile Bass X0, because Vile is cool too.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 July 2020 - 08:34 PM)

Bossk Saw

@  ▲ndrusi : (07 July 2020 - 04:16 PM)

Bass XD

@  Bass X0 : (07 July 2020 - 03:43 PM)

And its not Bass XO, its Bass X0, as in Bass, X and Zero from the Mega Man series.

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:33 PM)

@Trpodeca :( :(

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 July 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Thats what a gray rock is? Then I'm not one.


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#21 Asquian

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:48 AM

I've liked pretty much every main line FF except XI and XII. And I'm planning on giving XII another try this week on my days off.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:13 PM

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Squall wasn't emo. He was a normal, pragmatic and average guy who didn't like dealing with people. Not to mention character growth. He went from brooding loner to leader. He even gave an inspiring speech. He may internally complain and pick apart people's arguments, but he doesn't hesitate to do the right thing.


Character development? SQUALL of all people? The guy who HATES Rinoa for most of the game, and then all of a sudden goes "OH I LOVE YOU", right before she dies?
Squall is FAR from normal, and if the normal guys you know are like SQUALL, that explains a LOT.
He was whiny, he was emo, he spent most of the entire game whining about how everything sucks, and how everyone but himself sucks. If you think that's a strong character, your standards are very low-

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Selphie wasn't emo. She was a hyper little dynamo who said ditzy things and occasionally creepy things. She was outwardly outgoing but internally wracked by the pain of losing her loved ones from her home. But she was strong-willed enough to bury it for the good of her teammates. She can also play the electric guitar.


What pain from losing her loved ones? That wasn't even touched on in the game, all Selphie did was serve the stereotype of the bouncy anime airhead. That was stale when the game was fresh already.

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Rinoa wasn't emo. She's fiesty, aggressive, and full of compassion. Her existence pisses Squall off majorly. But opposites attract and they fall in love. She's also badarse enough to drag the brooding Squall out on the dancefloor.


How's it badass to force an emo bunghole to dance? All she did was drag him along, if that's an accomplishment to you, it says a LOT about FF8's quality.
Rinoa and Squall had no reason to fall in love, other than that the plot demanded for it, it had no buildup, it had no development, it just happened out of the blue in a really embarassing scene.

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Zell wasn't emo. He's a hilarious bruiser. He loves hot dogs and beating people up. He's got a stupid grin and he's sensitive about his height. His love interest is an unnamed girl in the library in a subtle relationship.


Subtle relationship? You mean a ONE LINER that was brought up a single time and never touched upon again once you leave the Garden? Yeah, subtle indeed - If subtle means non existent. As for his hilarity... your standards are really low.

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They all have personality, you just couldn't be arsed to look for it?


Well, maybe I just wasn't 12 when I played this game and identified with angsty emo junkery and the like, that may be a huge factor in it.

But no matter how you spin it, FF8 DIDN'T have any of the "great stuff" you interpret into the characters, and it never had, either. Back in the day, the biggest criticism the game had to face was the storyline, with its cookie cutter, unimpressive characters.

I'm sorry, it's not as deep as you want it to be.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Remilia Scarlet @ Nov 23 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How can you not love Selphie, Squall, Rinoa, and Zell? Not to mention Quistis the helpful teacher and Edea the WEETCH

Selphie was the least annoying of the bunch.

Squall? Dear God, the Internal Monologues. THE most unlikeable main character in the FF series. I've had people tell me that he grows up during the course of the game, but having played the PS1 Final Fantasies annually to see if my tastes have changed? Nope, still the whiny emo bastard (oh, I wanted to use a different word there) from beginning to end.

Rinoa? Damsel in Distress. Pretty much useless as a character except for Squall to ogle at silently.

Zell? Typical hothead character. He has his moments, but none that break him out of the genetic hothead mold.

Quistis? Den Mother. Really nothing more to her.

Edea? ZOMG I AM BRAINWASH.

What really bugged me about FFVIII was the Guardian Force-erasing-memories subplot. And their solution was...umm...nothing. I thought there were going to be consequences if you kept using them, but nope. No further memory loss or anything. Just a nice little nonsensical subplot to explain away how everyone forgot each other.

Edited by Internet Jesus, 24 November 2009 - 04:19 PM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE(Internet Jesus @ Nov 24 2009, 04:18 PM)
What really bugged me about FFVIII was the Guardian Force-erasing-memories subplot. And their solution was...umm...nothing. I thought there were going to be consequences if you kept using them, but nope. No further memory loss or anything. Just a nice little nonsensical subplot to explain away how everyone forgot each other.


Oh god, don't get me started on that.

That was just the epitome of lazy writing, an "easy way out" like no FF game before had ever used it. This entire "WOW guys, we know eachother since we were children, but the GF erased that, oh well!" didn't just have no point, it didn't bring the storyline anywhere either, beyond saying "Oh hey, Edea isn't evil, ain't that cool?".

After FF7, I was wondering how things could get any worse, FF8 then taught me in the most brutal way. :/

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE(Korcas @ Nov 25 2009, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Squall wasn't emo. He was a normal, pragmatic and average guy who didn't like dealing with people. Not to mention character growth. He went from brooding loner to leader. He even gave an inspiring speech. He may internally complain and pick apart people's arguments, but he doesn't hesitate to do the right thing.


Character development? SQUALL of all people? The guy who HATES Rinoa for most of the game, and then all of a sudden goes "OH I LOVE YOU", right before she dies?
Squall is FAR from normal, and if the normal guys you know are like SQUALL, that explains a LOT.
He was whiny, he was emo, he spent most of the entire game whining about how everything sucks, and how everyone but himself sucks. If you think that's a strong character, your standards are very low-

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Selphie wasn't emo. She was a hyper little dynamo who said ditzy things and occasionally creepy things. She was outwardly outgoing but internally wracked by the pain of losing her loved ones from her home. But she was strong-willed enough to bury it for the good of her teammates. She can also play the electric guitar.


What pain from losing her loved ones? That wasn't even touched on in the game, all Selphie did was serve the stereotype of the bouncy anime airhead. That was stale when the game was fresh already.

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Rinoa wasn't emo. She's fiesty, aggressive, and full of compassion. Her existence pisses Squall off majorly. But opposites attract and they fall in love. She's also badarse enough to drag the brooding Squall out on the dancefloor.


How's it badass to force an emo bunghole to dance? All she did was drag him along, if that's an accomplishment to you, it says a LOT about FF8's quality.
Rinoa and Squall had no reason to fall in love, other than that the plot demanded for it, it had no buildup, it had no development, it just happened out of the blue in a really embarassing scene.

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Zell wasn't emo. He's a hilarious bruiser. He loves hot dogs and beating people up. He's got a stupid grin and he's sensitive about his height. His love interest is an unnamed girl in the library in a subtle relationship.


Subtle relationship? You mean a ONE LINER that was brought up a single time and never touched upon again once you leave the Garden? Yeah, subtle indeed - If subtle means non existent. As for his hilarity... your standards are really low.

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They all have personality, you just couldn't be arsed to look for it?


Well, maybe I just wasn't 12 when I played this game and identified with angsty emo junkery and the like, that may be a huge factor in it.

But no matter how you spin it, FF8 DIDN'T have any of the "great stuff" you interpret into the characters, and it never had, either. Back in the day, the biggest criticism the game had to face was the storyline, with its cookie cutter, unimpressive characters.

I'm sorry, it's not as deep as you want it to be.


No, I'm sorry, because 1. Zell's relationship consists several parts, not a one-liner. 2. You didn't pay attention when they got to The Trabia Garden on the winter continent. Selphie as an orphan had her only family as the people of that garden, and because of the Missile attack she lost everyone. She spent like, a good amount of time bawling in the makeshift cemetery. 3. The Rinoa liked Squall since they met, and she basically did all the prodding into the relationship. The entire game was about Squall coming out of his shell. He whined internally, but he never voiced it out-loud, because he's actually a decent guy, BUT HE STILL HAS A TON OF MISGIVINGS LIKE A NORMAL hugging PERSON.

And I have low standards? Poor taste? No, you're just being an elitist prick about videogame characters. I don't get people like you who think simpler characters have to be jivey and shallow. What is depth if not problems piled atop problems? FF8's characters are cookie-cutter? Bull-jive. Cloud was fundamentally different, Terra was way more emotional, Other guys from previous games had way less personality. Squall is the guy that is apprehensive, doesn't like people, but he actually gets off his arse and does heroic things, even while still having his misgivings. You're just showing here how finicky and narrow your tastes really are. So please, go and play whatever other games you think actually off depth, though I'm sure I could "spin it" that they're shallow emo losers just like you have. I enjoy my game, so quit pissing on it from a great height.

if you can see this, i apologize for the above tweet, i was young and stupid and had nothing of value to say. please support lgbtq rights and listen to women's voices. that's all that really matters now. the right is evil, and should be opposed. thanks.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:00 PM

QUISTIS IS AWESOME AND EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE EVERYWHERE...

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lol,

for me it never got better than 6. 7 has points in it that make you question the fanboy love it gets... and then you get to a part you like and realize that yeah it sort of deserves it. 8 on the other hand has a lot of things working against it. for 1 it isn't 6 or 7... and that's not good for any game. 2 if you don't like ... "..." ... as much as I do, the dialog can be LONG...

also it doesn't help that Squall isn't a very 'player-friendly' protagonist. Its hard to be into a game where the main character would rather not be there.

which is what made 9 so much better. Zidaine LOVES being the hero... Garnet's skintight coveralls don't hurt the situation any for him either. Though the Game had me hooked when he pinches her ass going up the ladder to the airship... its the scene on the airship that makes the game my favorite out of the series (not the best the best is still 6) ... Vivi my gosh, playing this game in my teens when ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was going to make me weepy because there was just too much testosterone for it to be even physiclay possible

*stops for Hogan poses*

The build up to this had me in 6 year old Charlot's web tears

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:32 PM

Honestly? it must be a stupid fangirl thing, because that's obviously what I am. Just a poor stupid fangirl who can enjoy a love-story, a poor stupid fangirl who can appreciate a universe by it's own merits.

Oh woe to the stupid fangirls, who have the stigma of being able to enjoy such terrible, shallow plots.

if you can see this, i apologize for the above tweet, i was young and stupid and had nothing of value to say. please support lgbtq rights and listen to women's voices. that's all that really matters now. the right is evil, and should be opposed. thanks.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:38 PM

eh, i'm certainly no fangirl, but I still enjoy 8. I enjoyed the story and the characters well enough. It's a departure from the regular FF formula(to which 9 returned in a glorious manner) and style, which earned it alot of hate.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:39 PM

oh here it is



poor little guy... icon-screamer.gif

oh there i go again.

as for the ps2 games.

10... I hate Tidus. I love the game for making it possible for me to hardly ever use him in my party at all. The story was great, Characters I liked a lot... Lulu...

yes I have a thing for strong women and Black Mages so yeah strong woman black mage... icon-silverbolt.gif but really for me that game was all Aarun's story... despite Tidus and Yuna constantly saying otherwise.

11 i never played because I just didn't have access to fast enough internet ... hell I was on dialup until 2008 ...14 though looks like my jumping on point for the mmos

10-2... laugh if you want but this game spoke to me... 2 strong women (and Yuna icon-primal.gif ) who I could all make Black mages ... icon-ball.gif icon-ironhide.gif ... plus again it has the same sort of ghost righting wrongs side story as 10 did... the fan service wasn't all that necessary, but it didn't take me out of the game.

now I've had a mixed bag with 12. when i first got it... dull as hell. then I decided to give it another shot... and I met Fran and that guy... icon-wildride.gif how do you spell that ..Balthier anyway... those two changed the whole game for me... Side characters that you WANT to be the main characters... Hell one of them even thinks he is lol. and its just win from then on. sure there's all this crazy jive about war and magicite that makes me think of Tactics and reminds me of that much better game... but all the while these 2 are having their own little adventure ... that just happens to be tied to a Princess, a disgraced knight, and two useless teenagers.

I think Panello has a little girl crush on Fran btw. ... might just be my male mind connecting the dots with Fran's 'amazon-like' upbringing but maybe icon-nightbird.gif icon-arcee.gif

anywho... I'm happy I went back and played it past the 3 hours I'd originally given it. If there's ever going to be a 12-2 Square.. make it about Fran and Balthier. because you missed the airship on those two the first time around. Vaan is useless to the plot, and was Never in my main party once I had 3 other characters.

I'll get 13. if I learned anything from 8 and 12 its that I will find something to like about it ... its just sad that what I like about 8 Is Spoony's lets play.



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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:53 PM

I don't hate 8, and I see why other people like it, and I can also see the point of view of people who take issues with some of it's failings.

like I said the worst crimes it commits are not being 6 or 7, and giving you a hero who'd be happy not being the hero. sure there is a bit of growth to Squall, but its a lot less the then mains of the last 2 games.

I think the ending lost a few people as well.

Still if Dissidia 2 was an actual rpg.. I'd have some 8 characters in the party now and then, Quistis would be there all the time with Lulu and Vivi (and Celis if its a 4 person party) but I'd swap a few times... bring in Selphie, Rikku, Yuffie and Ecko here and there. Unless Paine's available... then I'll 3 party the game with her, Auron, Fran and Fraya.

I think the 4 of them would get along okay. If Fraya could teach Fran Lancer moves... icon-hotrod.gif might make that Zodiac spear worth having

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:53 PM

Well, if I am to say something good about VIII...I really hugging loved the soundtrack. One of Uematsu's best. Fisherman's Horizon (Orchestrated version) is a mainstay in my iPod. And The Oath is one of Uematsu's greatest songs ever.

I loved X-2 as an RPG. I know a lot of people hated it and dismissed it as a girly game, but underneath the dress-up and J-Pop, it's an honest-to-goodness RPG. Via Infinitio was amazing.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:06 PM

seems appropriate to just rename the thread.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:19 PM

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And I have low standards? Poor taste? No, you're just being an elitist prick about videogame characters. I don't get people like you who think simpler characters have to be jivey and shallow. What is depth if not problems piled atop problems? FF8's characters are cookie-cutter? Bull-jive. Cloud was fundamentally different, Terra was way more emotional, Other guys from previous games had way less personality. Squall is the guy that is apprehensive, doesn't like people, but he actually gets off his arse and does heroic things, even while still having his misgivings. You're just showing here how finicky and narrow your tastes really are. So please, go and play whatever other games you think actually off depth, though I'm sure I could "spin it" that they're shallow emo losers just like you have. I enjoy my game, so quit pissing on it from a great height.


Oh no, I dislike the game you're fangirling over, I must be an elitist prick!

YOU asked me how someone could NOT like those characters, I told you why. They're not only simple, they're BAD, they're far from anything logical. No one in this game had any logic to their action, the entire PLOT didn't follow any logic.

It has nothing to do with elitism, to dislike badly characterized, annoying cardboard cutout characters. Please remember that it was you who praised their depth, and how unique and awesome they are, Internet Jesus and me just told you that they aren't as great as you make them out to be.
I don't care if a character has no depth - One of my favorite game is DQ8 and pretty much no one there has any depth, but that's not the problem.

The problem is that FF8 "characters" get praise for being "OMG DEEP", because Squall is a brooding, antisocial douchebag that would make even CLOUD facepalm.

My tastes aren't narrow at all, they just disagree with your idealizing of the flawed characters FF8 presented. If you don't like it, okay, but don't go calling people prick, simply because they look deeper into the game than you'd like.

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1. Zell's relationship consists several parts, not a one-liner


Well, excuse me, then there was four or five lines. Point is, it went NOWHERE. It had no conclusion, and it had no point at all in the game, it wasn't subtle, because it didn't even mean anything in the long run. JUST like the Guardian Force thing.

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2. You didn't pay attention when they got to The Trabia Garden on the winter continent. Selphie as an orphan had her only family as the people of that garden, and because of the Missile attack she lost everyone. She spent like, a good amount of time bawling in the makeshift cemetery.


Okay, I forgot about that, then. The last time I touched FF8 was ten years ago so I don't remember every single detail. This "development" still didn't really take her character anywhere, though.

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The entire game was about Squall coming out of his shell. He whined internally, but he never voiced it out-loud, because he's actually a decent guy, BUT HE STILL HAS A TON OF MISGIVINGS LIKE A NORMAL hugging PERSON.


That's not the POINT. His "coming out of his shell" which was the POINT of his character, was UNBELIEVABLE, it was OUT OF FRIGGIN NOWHERE, and it just didn't FLOW well at all. It was unrealistic. The way he suddenly loved Rinoa would be best compared to GWD suddenly hugging Saddam after the Iraq war.

Had they bothered to WORK IT OUT more, then it could have worked, but the way it was presented was utterly flawed.

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8 on the other hand has a lot of things working against it. for 1 it isn't 6 or 7... and that's not good for any game. 2 if you don't like ... "..." ... as much as I do, the dialog can be LONG...

also it doesn't help that Squall isn't a very 'player-friendly' protagonist. Its hard to be into a game where the main character would rather not be there.


Yeah, that's another absolutely grating thing about the game, most of his goddamn "dialogue" consists of "..." and "whatever". It's annoying as piss to play the stereotypical Hot Topic teenager, especially when he's your MAIN character.

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Honestly? it must be a stupid fangirl thing, because that's obviously what I am. Just a poor stupid fangirl who can enjoy a love-story, a poor stupid fangirl who can appreciate a universe by it's own merits.

Oh woe to the stupid fangirls, who have the stigma of being able to enjoy such terrible, shallow plots.


Cute use of the victim card, there. Seriously, no one called you stupid. It probably IS a fangirl thing, but everyone has their fansomething moments.

You can enjoy any love story you want, I don't CARE, you can love Twilight for all I care, there's people who defend that, too.
But you ASKED how one could NOT love the FF8 characters, and several people told you why, why ASK the question if you can't deal with answers? Whining and calling people names about them certainly isn't good netiquette.

Just because you like it, doesn't make it good, and while you can consider it good all you want, please don't go off on others who disagree with you after ASKING why they wouldn't like it.

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10-2... laugh if you want but this game spoke to me... 2 strong women (and Yuna ) who I could all make Black mages ... ... plus again it has the same sort of ghost righting wrongs side story as 10 did... the fan service wasn't all that necessary, but it didn't take me out of the game.


I loved X-2, sure the story was kind of crap, but god damn it was FUN to play.
It was fast, sometimes challenging, and it had one EPIC final boss.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:34 PM

You're the one slamming them as crap when I'm saying they aren't. You've made several factual errors which shows me you really weren't paying attention. Ergo, You're looking at them a certain way that limits your understanding. You are being elitist and you're doing it in an aggressive way.

More importantly, "How can you NOT love" is something said in jest. there's no way people who already voiced dislike would suddenly say "of course I love them!". That's stupid.

Saying "they aren't as great" is a whole other ballpark as decrying them as emo whiner cut-outs. Which I totally defend. Oh, and now you're attacking the plot too. Wonderful.

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if you can see this, i apologize for the above tweet, i was young and stupid and had nothing of value to say. please support lgbtq rights and listen to women's voices. that's all that really matters now. the right is evil, and should be opposed. thanks.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:21 PM

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I put the game down for a half a year after Squall didn't catch on to Quistis, the guy is just disinterested in almost everything... he's a better character in kingdom hearts and dissidia, but in 8 he's just far to scared to emote ... he's like every Vulcan that isn't Spock...

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:44 PM

I think Final Fantasy stopped being Final Fantasy when the PlayStation was release. Not that the games that follow weren't good (most weren't) but rather they just weren't anything like what preceded them.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:45 PM

Good thing for the topic name change. Didn't realize this had become a general Final Fantasy chat.

Let's see, my opinions (As if anyone really cared. icon-waspy.gif) of the Final Fantasy games I've played:

Final Fantasy 1 (NES): This oddly enough, was actually my very FIRST Final Fantasy! I purchased it from a wallmart back when they still sold NES games. (I still have the world map too! It's taped up to all hell, but I still HAVE it. Most of the instruction booklet too.) Can't say it's the best RPG I've ever played, but it was one of the first, so it holds a specail place in my heart. I still remember myself and my friend sitting side by side trying to figure out where to go next, or get through the latest dungeon. Oddly enough, we also stumbled upon the warmech and knew where it was.

Final Fantasy 2/4 (SNES): I recall really liking this one. Haven't played it (or really any of these) in ages. Though I do recall really loving the fact I could have five people in my party at one time.

Final Fantasy 3/6 (SNES): Ugh. This is the WORST Final Fantasy I've ever played, and I really wish it wasn't. See I love most of the characters. I love the setting. I like the battle system and what I recall of the story. There was just one thing that COMPLETLY RUINED the game for me.

NOTE: If you REALLY want to know I'll tell you. But if I'm asked, I know I'm gonig to go on a long winded rant about it, so I'm not mentioning it now. Ask at your own risk.

Final Fantasy 7 (Think you know what system these are all on): Ok, I rather liked this one, but mostly because I'm a big Sephiroth Fanboy. I think he's awsome. It doesn't hurt that I like most of the characters, it has my second favorite Final Fantasy female in it ever. (YUFFIE!) And that I find the Omni-Slash, and Zero Behomet as pure awsomeness. It's not the best game out there though, and certainly not my favorite of the Final Fantasys.

Final Fantasy 8: THIS IS MY FAVORITE. Yeah yeah, given the flak this has gotten in this thread I know what you are all thinking. Well think what you want. but I LOVE this game. I saw it in a light you who hate it did not. You say Squall is a emo whatever. I dissagree, but to each their own.

I do have a comment for Remilia Scarlet however. You said Squall was someone who generally hated people, but still was a nice guy. (Well in a nutshell anyway) I could have sworn I remember him saying that the reason he had withdrawn into himself was because he was afraid of being hurt by people, and at the same time afraid of hurting others. So he enclosed himself in a shell.

My understading of the Rinoa relationship thing was that, yeah She pissed him off at first, but deep down he was rather envious of how open she could be, and admired her a bit for it. As their time together went on, he began to realize just how much he admired the type of person she was, and how much he was begining to care for her, which comes to a climax later in the game where he has to admit to himself that he really does love her.

Anyway that's how -I- remember the game. I can't go into ever little detail, as it's been years since I've played the game. I need to make time for a re-play. I really do.

Plus, I really liked the Junction system of this game. Got the hang of it right off the start, and began to learn how to make my characters gods during some fights. Remember when Questis, Selphie and Rinoa are running through those sewers early in the game? Well I had decided to see what the 'old lamp' or whatever held Diablo did, and accidently fought him right there. But thanks to the Junction system. I managed to make it where I could defeat and aquire him. Right there with that party.

Course it also had the Doom Train, and the Doom Train is awsome.

Anyway, I've ranted about my love for this game enough. But I can say ONE thing.

No matter HOW you feel about Final Fantasy VIII. There is one thing I think we can ALL agree on:

It had the COOLEST Airship EVAR!! icon-waspy.gif

Final Fantasy 9: I don't get why this seems to get so much hate. (I've heard a lot of hate for it at random places on the web) I thought it was a rather good game. Not as good as 8 (and frankly to me, nothing may ever be) But It was well put together. Vivi is pretty awsome, and I thought Zidane was a great character. Kuja the 'bad dude' was pretty cool. In fact, the only thing I fault this game for is that I was never able to get Beatrix as a party member. >_<

Never played Final Fantasy 10 or 11. Nor X-2 since I never played the first one.

Final Fantasy Tactics: Eh... sorry folks, but stratagy RPGs and me do not mix. I just don't find having to place my people on a grid and doing the battles that way as fun. Usually they just seem rather slow and tedious. I do like a lot of the ideas in the game. I just can't really get into it. Then again, the only stratagy RPG I've ever gotten into and loved was the Zone of Enders GBA game.

Final Fantasy 12: Man does this have a funny story for me. See I was sure I wasn't going to like this game. I only picked it up on launch day because of the specail edition. I wanted the DVD, had the spare cash, and thought: "This is a limited edition Final Fantasy game. Mostly likely this will become impossible to find later." Of course I was wrong about that, but it doesn't matter. I was wrong on not enjoying it too.

I had just paid fifty bucks for this game, so you better believe I was going to at least try it out. Turns out, I really enjoyed the battle system, and the use of the Quickinings. The story is nothing specail, and I rather hate the complete lack of any sort of love story. Vaan, wasn't that bad. Don't get me wrong, I didn't love him, but he didn't annoy me. So meh. Fran and Bailther are the best of the bunch though.

I think it's mostly the hunting guild sidequest stuff that got me so hooked. I just loved getting a new hunt, and going out into the world to find this thing so I could kill it. ^_^ Yiazmet's defeat still feels like one of my greatest game accomplishments.

Unfortantly that's pretty much it for my Final Fantasy intake. Never played any of the other ones.

Though I'm defianetly looking forward to 13. The game looks really awsome. But we shall see when it is released.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:53 PM

the best part of 8 was when Odin is defeated and Gilgamesh shows up.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:57 PM

So, am I the only person who likes FFX the best? I loved the battle system and sphere grid and thought the voice acting was superb. I even really liked Tidus! The only part of FFX that left me cold was Kimarhi because I could never find a real effective use for him in battle. FFX has my favorite ending too on account of it being a total downer. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 08:00 PM

its not my favorite because of 6&9, but 10/10-2 are close to the top. Blue Mages are always hard to use long term... however I used him as a lancer mostly... and if you grind enough and complete the grid for all the characters job classes don't matter as much.

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