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@  tigerhawk : (12 January 2021 - 12:10 PM)

My Super Collection Megatron always had two left legs and I just discovered my Thrilling 30 Crosscut has two right hips.

@  Nevermore : (11 January 2021 - 07:56 PM)

Fortunately, it's only Netflix Hound, so not really much of a loss here.

@  Nevermore : (11 January 2021 - 07:55 PM)

So it's been a while since I've had a misassembled Transformers toy.

@  Echowarrior : (11 January 2021 - 10:02 AM)

More Micromasters would be welcome.

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 January 2021 - 06:15 AM)

Instructions unclear, have more sports cars.

@  tigerhawk : (11 January 2021 - 01:57 AM)

Or they could make the other Micromasters of the teams they half assed.

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 January 2021 - 11:20 PM)

There should be a box set of eight Stakeouts.

@  Bass X0 : (10 January 2021 - 08:27 PM)

There should be a box-set of Thrust, Dirge and Ramjet. But I'm not expecting it.

@  Nevermore : (10 January 2021 - 07:51 PM)

I hope there are re-releases this year!

@  tigerhawk : (10 January 2021 - 03:59 PM)

I hope there's rereleases of Earthrise Ramjet, Dirge and Ratchet next year.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 January 2021 - 07:51 AM)

Oh no, he was loved. I'd argue he could have had a better life physically, but he was loved. Deeply.

@  Telly : (08 January 2021 - 01:42 AM)

as long s/he gave love and was loved, it was a good life

@  Echowarrior : (07 January 2021 - 11:10 PM)

Poor puppy. Poor kid.

@  CORVUS : (07 January 2021 - 03:04 PM)

My condolences :(

@  wonko the sane? : (07 January 2021 - 10:45 AM)

So: My sisters dog just had a heart attack and died... while her 12 year old son was walking him. Welcome to 2021 everybody!

@  Dekafox : (04 January 2021 - 07:24 PM)

Except they're Deceptican'ts usually.

@  Devcon : (04 January 2021 - 05:17 PM)

Depending on which dub: Either Decepticons or Decepticans.

@  Bass X0 : (04 January 2021 - 05:03 PM)

Deception is the French word for disappointment. What does that make the Decepticons in France?

@  Echowarrior : (03 January 2021 - 11:29 PM)

We're just tiny little specks, about the size of Mickey Rooney.

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 January 2021 - 04:33 PM)

It's a great big universe, and we're all really puny.

@  Rycochet : (03 January 2021 - 01:30 PM)

That's orbiting at nineteen miles a second, so it's reckoned, a sun that is the source of all our power

@  Rycochet : (03 January 2021 - 01:30 PM)

Just remember that you're standing on a planet that's evolving and revolving at nine hundred miles an hour.

@  TM2-Megatron : (02 January 2021 - 11:57 PM)

relative to the speed that it's swirling around the centre of the galaxy, its rotation is fairly slow

@  PlutoniumBoss : (02 January 2021 - 09:31 PM)

I'd like to make myself believe that planet Earth turns slowly.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 January 2021 - 07:21 PM)

The Earth moving gave us 2021.

@  ▲ndrusi : (02 January 2021 - 10:50 AM)

It does that.

@  tigerhawk : (02 January 2021 - 10:11 AM)

I think the Earth is moving.

@  Nevermore : (02 January 2021 - 06:35 AM)

Sunday evenings are awesome. Looking at the clock at 8 PM and thinking "I still have plenty of time before going to bed..."

@  Nevermore : (02 January 2021 - 06:33 AM)

Now I've been working permanent late shift for almost three years. Don't regret it one bit. One of the rare cases where the needs of the company overlap with my own preferences.

@  Nevermore : (02 January 2021 - 06:32 AM)

Before the permanent late shift was introduced three years ago (which I volunteered for as soon as the form became available), I always tended to plan my vacation for early shift weeks. Since the majority of the people in most departments prefer to work early shift and thus tended to plan their vacation for late shift weeks, there were usually enough slots available for me to get my request fulfilled.

@  TM2-Megatron : (01 January 2021 - 05:26 PM)

I was promoted last December, so this past year is my first with the company where I've been able to get whatever vacation I wanted. Instead of competing with 100 other people, there's now only 1 (out of 3 others who share my job) that's been in the building longer than me, and so has first dibs at weeks. It's pretty easy to work it out between ourselves before we give in our requests, though

@  TM2-Megatron : (01 January 2021 - 05:24 PM)

But there's also departments to consider, since we have a varieity of types of machines and not everyone is qualified to run everything. Altogether, there are a lot of ways you can get screwed

@  TM2-Megatron : (01 January 2021 - 05:21 PM)

So a few of the same rules, a few different ones. For regular employees, requests need to be in by January 15th. If they are, those are doled out based on seniority. You're only guaranteed 2 weeks in "prime time" (basically June, July, August). Anything submitted after January 15th is given out first come, first served based on availability

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (01 January 2021 - 02:39 PM)

So who said "Jumanji!"?

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 January 2021 - 08:20 AM)

I knew a woman at Target who was forced to use up her vacation time before she could qualify for maternity leave. Then they denied the leave because she technically hadn't been at work for two weeks beforehand.

@  Nevermore : (01 January 2021 - 04:21 AM)

Also, if you become sick during your vacation and you turn in a doctor's sick note, it means that you don't lose your vacation days, because according to the law, vacation is intended for recreation, not for recovery from sickness or injury.

@  Nevermore : (01 January 2021 - 04:00 AM)

Another priority is "vacation request for the next year turned in before the deadline". Like, you missed the deadline, you have to make do with what's left.

@  Nevermore : (01 January 2021 - 03:59 AM)

No, they prioritize vacation during school holidays for employees with school-age children. Also, only three of the six weeks during the summer holidays per employee so a larger number of employees can get their requests fulfilled.

@  TM2-Megatron : (31 December 2020 - 08:14 PM)

like, not company-wide, obviously, but by facility

@  TM2-Megatron : (31 December 2020 - 08:14 PM)

That's actually not bad at all for such a large company. Do they prioritize vacation by seniority?

@  Nevermore : (31 December 2020 - 08:11 PM)

In my nine years with Amazon, only one of my vacation requests (not counting requests for single days) has ever been denied (with an alternate option offered for a mere week later). It might have helped that I have always tended to plan my vacation against the grain.

@  Nevermore : (31 December 2020 - 08:06 PM)

We also have a legally guaranteed minimum of at least 24 vacation days per year, and the law mandates that the vacation should be granted in one stretch "unless urgent reasons on behalf of the company or the individual employee make it necessary to split up the vacation". The most common valid "urgent reason on behalf of the company" would be "multiple employees have requested their vacation days for the same period, so the employer has to organize everyone's vacation grants equally".

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 December 2020 - 02:50 PM)

Most places run with the bare minimum amount of staff they think they can get away with. So if one key person is out, they're in trouble. Hence, they don't like letting people take vacations.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (31 December 2020 - 10:35 AM)

Here in the US... you're honestly likely to get fired for taking vacation.

@  Nevermore : (31 December 2020 - 05:31 AM)

Here in Germany, employers are usually very eager to remind you to take all your vacation days.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 December 2020 - 04:55 PM)

My old job made it ridiculously obtuse just putting in a request for vacation, gave me a hard time for daring to use my PTO, but also gave me a hard time for NOT using my PTO. That they didn't want me to use anyway.

@  Otaku : (30 December 2020 - 03:57 PM)

@Tm_Silverclaw I'm assuming it is the kind of job where they get in trouble if you don't use your vacation time, but where it is (at best) inconvenient when you do.  Though there's always room for some, most, or all of management to just be jerks. ;)

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (30 December 2020 - 07:40 AM)

My old job got mad if you took vacation, then would get mad if you didnt.

@  TM2-Megatron : (28 December 2020 - 05:02 PM)

Have no choice but to be off, though. Because of COVID I've hardly taken any vacation all year, and they don't like us carrying over more than a few days (technically we're not supposed to carry any over, but our manager is kinda easygoing). So I had to burn through most of my 4 weeks vacation in Oct,Nov and Dec.

@  TM2-Megatron : (28 December 2020 - 05:00 PM)

I didn't really celebrate Christmas at all this year, as I live alone and can't work from home, and so I'm keeping my distance from family/friends


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#21 Asquian

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 10:48 AM

I've liked pretty much every main line FF except XI and XII. And I'm planning on giving XII another try this week on my days off.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:13 PM

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Squall wasn't emo. He was a normal, pragmatic and average guy who didn't like dealing with people. Not to mention character growth. He went from brooding loner to leader. He even gave an inspiring speech. He may internally complain and pick apart people's arguments, but he doesn't hesitate to do the right thing.


Character development? SQUALL of all people? The guy who HATES Rinoa for most of the game, and then all of a sudden goes "OH I LOVE YOU", right before she dies?
Squall is FAR from normal, and if the normal guys you know are like SQUALL, that explains a LOT.
He was whiny, he was emo, he spent most of the entire game whining about how everything sucks, and how everyone but himself sucks. If you think that's a strong character, your standards are very low-

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Selphie wasn't emo. She was a hyper little dynamo who said ditzy things and occasionally creepy things. She was outwardly outgoing but internally wracked by the pain of losing her loved ones from her home. But she was strong-willed enough to bury it for the good of her teammates. She can also play the electric guitar.


What pain from losing her loved ones? That wasn't even touched on in the game, all Selphie did was serve the stereotype of the bouncy anime airhead. That was stale when the game was fresh already.

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Rinoa wasn't emo. She's fiesty, aggressive, and full of compassion. Her existence pisses Squall off majorly. But opposites attract and they fall in love. She's also badarse enough to drag the brooding Squall out on the dancefloor.


How's it badass to force an emo bunghole to dance? All she did was drag him along, if that's an accomplishment to you, it says a LOT about FF8's quality.
Rinoa and Squall had no reason to fall in love, other than that the plot demanded for it, it had no buildup, it had no development, it just happened out of the blue in a really embarassing scene.

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Zell wasn't emo. He's a hilarious bruiser. He loves hot dogs and beating people up. He's got a stupid grin and he's sensitive about his height. His love interest is an unnamed girl in the library in a subtle relationship.


Subtle relationship? You mean a ONE LINER that was brought up a single time and never touched upon again once you leave the Garden? Yeah, subtle indeed - If subtle means non existent. As for his hilarity... your standards are really low.

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They all have personality, you just couldn't be arsed to look for it?


Well, maybe I just wasn't 12 when I played this game and identified with angsty emo junkery and the like, that may be a huge factor in it.

But no matter how you spin it, FF8 DIDN'T have any of the "great stuff" you interpret into the characters, and it never had, either. Back in the day, the biggest criticism the game had to face was the storyline, with its cookie cutter, unimpressive characters.

I'm sorry, it's not as deep as you want it to be.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:18 PM

QUOTE(Remilia Scarlet @ Nov 23 2009, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How can you not love Selphie, Squall, Rinoa, and Zell? Not to mention Quistis the helpful teacher and Edea the WEETCH

Selphie was the least annoying of the bunch.

Squall? Dear God, the Internal Monologues. THE most unlikeable main character in the FF series. I've had people tell me that he grows up during the course of the game, but having played the PS1 Final Fantasies annually to see if my tastes have changed? Nope, still the whiny emo bastard (oh, I wanted to use a different word there) from beginning to end.

Rinoa? Damsel in Distress. Pretty much useless as a character except for Squall to ogle at silently.

Zell? Typical hothead character. He has his moments, but none that break him out of the genetic hothead mold.

Quistis? Den Mother. Really nothing more to her.

Edea? ZOMG I AM BRAINWASH.

What really bugged me about FFVIII was the Guardian Force-erasing-memories subplot. And their solution was...umm...nothing. I thought there were going to be consequences if you kept using them, but nope. No further memory loss or anything. Just a nice little nonsensical subplot to explain away how everyone forgot each other.

Edited by Internet Jesus, 24 November 2009 - 04:19 PM.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:40 PM

QUOTE(Internet Jesus @ Nov 24 2009, 04:18 PM)
What really bugged me about FFVIII was the Guardian Force-erasing-memories subplot. And their solution was...umm...nothing. I thought there were going to be consequences if you kept using them, but nope. No further memory loss or anything. Just a nice little nonsensical subplot to explain away how everyone forgot each other.


Oh god, don't get me started on that.

That was just the epitome of lazy writing, an "easy way out" like no FF game before had ever used it. This entire "WOW guys, we know eachother since we were children, but the GF erased that, oh well!" didn't just have no point, it didn't bring the storyline anywhere either, beyond saying "Oh hey, Edea isn't evil, ain't that cool?".

After FF7, I was wondering how things could get any worse, FF8 then taught me in the most brutal way. :/

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE(Korcas @ Nov 25 2009, 07:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Squall wasn't emo. He was a normal, pragmatic and average guy who didn't like dealing with people. Not to mention character growth. He went from brooding loner to leader. He even gave an inspiring speech. He may internally complain and pick apart people's arguments, but he doesn't hesitate to do the right thing.


Character development? SQUALL of all people? The guy who HATES Rinoa for most of the game, and then all of a sudden goes "OH I LOVE YOU", right before she dies?
Squall is FAR from normal, and if the normal guys you know are like SQUALL, that explains a LOT.
He was whiny, he was emo, he spent most of the entire game whining about how everything sucks, and how everyone but himself sucks. If you think that's a strong character, your standards are very low-

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Selphie wasn't emo. She was a hyper little dynamo who said ditzy things and occasionally creepy things. She was outwardly outgoing but internally wracked by the pain of losing her loved ones from her home. But she was strong-willed enough to bury it for the good of her teammates. She can also play the electric guitar.


What pain from losing her loved ones? That wasn't even touched on in the game, all Selphie did was serve the stereotype of the bouncy anime airhead. That was stale when the game was fresh already.

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Rinoa wasn't emo. She's fiesty, aggressive, and full of compassion. Her existence pisses Squall off majorly. But opposites attract and they fall in love. She's also badarse enough to drag the brooding Squall out on the dancefloor.


How's it badass to force an emo bunghole to dance? All she did was drag him along, if that's an accomplishment to you, it says a LOT about FF8's quality.
Rinoa and Squall had no reason to fall in love, other than that the plot demanded for it, it had no buildup, it had no development, it just happened out of the blue in a really embarassing scene.

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Zell wasn't emo. He's a hilarious bruiser. He loves hot dogs and beating people up. He's got a stupid grin and he's sensitive about his height. His love interest is an unnamed girl in the library in a subtle relationship.


Subtle relationship? You mean a ONE LINER that was brought up a single time and never touched upon again once you leave the Garden? Yeah, subtle indeed - If subtle means non existent. As for his hilarity... your standards are really low.

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They all have personality, you just couldn't be arsed to look for it?


Well, maybe I just wasn't 12 when I played this game and identified with angsty emo junkery and the like, that may be a huge factor in it.

But no matter how you spin it, FF8 DIDN'T have any of the "great stuff" you interpret into the characters, and it never had, either. Back in the day, the biggest criticism the game had to face was the storyline, with its cookie cutter, unimpressive characters.

I'm sorry, it's not as deep as you want it to be.


No, I'm sorry, because 1. Zell's relationship consists several parts, not a one-liner. 2. You didn't pay attention when they got to The Trabia Garden on the winter continent. Selphie as an orphan had her only family as the people of that garden, and because of the Missile attack she lost everyone. She spent like, a good amount of time bawling in the makeshift cemetery. 3. The Rinoa liked Squall since they met, and she basically did all the prodding into the relationship. The entire game was about Squall coming out of his shell. He whined internally, but he never voiced it out-loud, because he's actually a decent guy, BUT HE STILL HAS A TON OF MISGIVINGS LIKE A NORMAL hugging PERSON.

And I have low standards? Poor taste? No, you're just being an elitist prick about videogame characters. I don't get people like you who think simpler characters have to be jivey and shallow. What is depth if not problems piled atop problems? FF8's characters are cookie-cutter? Bull-jive. Cloud was fundamentally different, Terra was way more emotional, Other guys from previous games had way less personality. Squall is the guy that is apprehensive, doesn't like people, but he actually gets off his arse and does heroic things, even while still having his misgivings. You're just showing here how finicky and narrow your tastes really are. So please, go and play whatever other games you think actually off depth, though I'm sure I could "spin it" that they're shallow emo losers just like you have. I enjoy my game, so quit pissing on it from a great height.

if you can see this, i apologize for the above tweet, i was young and stupid and had nothing of value to say. please support lgbtq rights and listen to women's voices. that's all that really matters now. the right is evil, and should be opposed. thanks.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:00 PM

QUISTIS IS AWESOME AND EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE EVERYWHERE...

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lol,

for me it never got better than 6. 7 has points in it that make you question the fanboy love it gets... and then you get to a part you like and realize that yeah it sort of deserves it. 8 on the other hand has a lot of things working against it. for 1 it isn't 6 or 7... and that's not good for any game. 2 if you don't like ... "..." ... as much as I do, the dialog can be LONG...

also it doesn't help that Squall isn't a very 'player-friendly' protagonist. Its hard to be into a game where the main character would rather not be there.

which is what made 9 so much better. Zidaine LOVES being the hero... Garnet's skintight coveralls don't hurt the situation any for him either. Though the Game had me hooked when he pinches her ass going up the ladder to the airship... its the scene on the airship that makes the game my favorite out of the series (not the best the best is still 6) ... Vivi my gosh, playing this game in my teens when ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was going to make me weepy because there was just too much testosterone for it to be even physiclay possible

*stops for Hogan poses*

The build up to this had me in 6 year old Charlot's web tears

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:32 PM

Honestly? it must be a stupid fangirl thing, because that's obviously what I am. Just a poor stupid fangirl who can enjoy a love-story, a poor stupid fangirl who can appreciate a universe by it's own merits.

Oh woe to the stupid fangirls, who have the stigma of being able to enjoy such terrible, shallow plots.

if you can see this, i apologize for the above tweet, i was young and stupid and had nothing of value to say. please support lgbtq rights and listen to women's voices. that's all that really matters now. the right is evil, and should be opposed. thanks.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:38 PM

eh, i'm certainly no fangirl, but I still enjoy 8. I enjoyed the story and the characters well enough. It's a departure from the regular FF formula(to which 9 returned in a glorious manner) and style, which earned it alot of hate.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:39 PM

oh here it is



poor little guy... icon-screamer.gif

oh there i go again.

as for the ps2 games.

10... I hate Tidus. I love the game for making it possible for me to hardly ever use him in my party at all. The story was great, Characters I liked a lot... Lulu...

yes I have a thing for strong women and Black Mages so yeah strong woman black mage... icon-silverbolt.gif but really for me that game was all Aarun's story... despite Tidus and Yuna constantly saying otherwise.

11 i never played because I just didn't have access to fast enough internet ... hell I was on dialup until 2008 ...14 though looks like my jumping on point for the mmos

10-2... laugh if you want but this game spoke to me... 2 strong women (and Yuna icon-primal.gif ) who I could all make Black mages ... icon-ball.gif icon-ironhide.gif ... plus again it has the same sort of ghost righting wrongs side story as 10 did... the fan service wasn't all that necessary, but it didn't take me out of the game.

now I've had a mixed bag with 12. when i first got it... dull as hell. then I decided to give it another shot... and I met Fran and that guy... icon-wildride.gif how do you spell that ..Balthier anyway... those two changed the whole game for me... Side characters that you WANT to be the main characters... Hell one of them even thinks he is lol. and its just win from then on. sure there's all this crazy jive about war and magicite that makes me think of Tactics and reminds me of that much better game... but all the while these 2 are having their own little adventure ... that just happens to be tied to a Princess, a disgraced knight, and two useless teenagers.

I think Panello has a little girl crush on Fran btw. ... might just be my male mind connecting the dots with Fran's 'amazon-like' upbringing but maybe icon-nightbird.gif icon-arcee.gif

anywho... I'm happy I went back and played it past the 3 hours I'd originally given it. If there's ever going to be a 12-2 Square.. make it about Fran and Balthier. because you missed the airship on those two the first time around. Vaan is useless to the plot, and was Never in my main party once I had 3 other characters.

I'll get 13. if I learned anything from 8 and 12 its that I will find something to like about it ... its just sad that what I like about 8 Is Spoony's lets play.



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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:53 PM

I don't hate 8, and I see why other people like it, and I can also see the point of view of people who take issues with some of it's failings.

like I said the worst crimes it commits are not being 6 or 7, and giving you a hero who'd be happy not being the hero. sure there is a bit of growth to Squall, but its a lot less the then mains of the last 2 games.

I think the ending lost a few people as well.

Still if Dissidia 2 was an actual rpg.. I'd have some 8 characters in the party now and then, Quistis would be there all the time with Lulu and Vivi (and Celis if its a 4 person party) but I'd swap a few times... bring in Selphie, Rikku, Yuffie and Ecko here and there. Unless Paine's available... then I'll 3 party the game with her, Auron, Fran and Fraya.

I think the 4 of them would get along okay. If Fraya could teach Fran Lancer moves... icon-hotrod.gif might make that Zodiac spear worth having

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 05:53 PM

Well, if I am to say something good about VIII...I really hugging loved the soundtrack. One of Uematsu's best. Fisherman's Horizon (Orchestrated version) is a mainstay in my iPod. And The Oath is one of Uematsu's greatest songs ever.

I loved X-2 as an RPG. I know a lot of people hated it and dismissed it as a girly game, but underneath the dress-up and J-Pop, it's an honest-to-goodness RPG. Via Infinitio was amazing.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:06 PM

seems appropriate to just rename the thread.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:19 PM

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And I have low standards? Poor taste? No, you're just being an elitist prick about videogame characters. I don't get people like you who think simpler characters have to be jivey and shallow. What is depth if not problems piled atop problems? FF8's characters are cookie-cutter? Bull-jive. Cloud was fundamentally different, Terra was way more emotional, Other guys from previous games had way less personality. Squall is the guy that is apprehensive, doesn't like people, but he actually gets off his arse and does heroic things, even while still having his misgivings. You're just showing here how finicky and narrow your tastes really are. So please, go and play whatever other games you think actually off depth, though I'm sure I could "spin it" that they're shallow emo losers just like you have. I enjoy my game, so quit pissing on it from a great height.


Oh no, I dislike the game you're fangirling over, I must be an elitist prick!

YOU asked me how someone could NOT like those characters, I told you why. They're not only simple, they're BAD, they're far from anything logical. No one in this game had any logic to their action, the entire PLOT didn't follow any logic.

It has nothing to do with elitism, to dislike badly characterized, annoying cardboard cutout characters. Please remember that it was you who praised their depth, and how unique and awesome they are, Internet Jesus and me just told you that they aren't as great as you make them out to be.
I don't care if a character has no depth - One of my favorite game is DQ8 and pretty much no one there has any depth, but that's not the problem.

The problem is that FF8 "characters" get praise for being "OMG DEEP", because Squall is a brooding, antisocial douchebag that would make even CLOUD facepalm.

My tastes aren't narrow at all, they just disagree with your idealizing of the flawed characters FF8 presented. If you don't like it, okay, but don't go calling people prick, simply because they look deeper into the game than you'd like.

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1. Zell's relationship consists several parts, not a one-liner


Well, excuse me, then there was four or five lines. Point is, it went NOWHERE. It had no conclusion, and it had no point at all in the game, it wasn't subtle, because it didn't even mean anything in the long run. JUST like the Guardian Force thing.

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2. You didn't pay attention when they got to The Trabia Garden on the winter continent. Selphie as an orphan had her only family as the people of that garden, and because of the Missile attack she lost everyone. She spent like, a good amount of time bawling in the makeshift cemetery.


Okay, I forgot about that, then. The last time I touched FF8 was ten years ago so I don't remember every single detail. This "development" still didn't really take her character anywhere, though.

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The entire game was about Squall coming out of his shell. He whined internally, but he never voiced it out-loud, because he's actually a decent guy, BUT HE STILL HAS A TON OF MISGIVINGS LIKE A NORMAL hugging PERSON.


That's not the POINT. His "coming out of his shell" which was the POINT of his character, was UNBELIEVABLE, it was OUT OF FRIGGIN NOWHERE, and it just didn't FLOW well at all. It was unrealistic. The way he suddenly loved Rinoa would be best compared to GWD suddenly hugging Saddam after the Iraq war.

Had they bothered to WORK IT OUT more, then it could have worked, but the way it was presented was utterly flawed.

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8 on the other hand has a lot of things working against it. for 1 it isn't 6 or 7... and that's not good for any game. 2 if you don't like ... "..." ... as much as I do, the dialog can be LONG...

also it doesn't help that Squall isn't a very 'player-friendly' protagonist. Its hard to be into a game where the main character would rather not be there.


Yeah, that's another absolutely grating thing about the game, most of his goddamn "dialogue" consists of "..." and "whatever". It's annoying as piss to play the stereotypical Hot Topic teenager, especially when he's your MAIN character.

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Honestly? it must be a stupid fangirl thing, because that's obviously what I am. Just a poor stupid fangirl who can enjoy a love-story, a poor stupid fangirl who can appreciate a universe by it's own merits.

Oh woe to the stupid fangirls, who have the stigma of being able to enjoy such terrible, shallow plots.


Cute use of the victim card, there. Seriously, no one called you stupid. It probably IS a fangirl thing, but everyone has their fansomething moments.

You can enjoy any love story you want, I don't CARE, you can love Twilight for all I care, there's people who defend that, too.
But you ASKED how one could NOT love the FF8 characters, and several people told you why, why ASK the question if you can't deal with answers? Whining and calling people names about them certainly isn't good netiquette.

Just because you like it, doesn't make it good, and while you can consider it good all you want, please don't go off on others who disagree with you after ASKING why they wouldn't like it.

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10-2... laugh if you want but this game spoke to me... 2 strong women (and Yuna ) who I could all make Black mages ... ... plus again it has the same sort of ghost righting wrongs side story as 10 did... the fan service wasn't all that necessary, but it didn't take me out of the game.


I loved X-2, sure the story was kind of crap, but god damn it was FUN to play.
It was fast, sometimes challenging, and it had one EPIC final boss.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 06:34 PM

You're the one slamming them as crap when I'm saying they aren't. You've made several factual errors which shows me you really weren't paying attention. Ergo, You're looking at them a certain way that limits your understanding. You are being elitist and you're doing it in an aggressive way.

More importantly, "How can you NOT love" is something said in jest. there's no way people who already voiced dislike would suddenly say "of course I love them!". That's stupid.

Saying "they aren't as great" is a whole other ballpark as decrying them as emo whiner cut-outs. Which I totally defend. Oh, and now you're attacking the plot too. Wonderful.

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if you can see this, i apologize for the above tweet, i was young and stupid and had nothing of value to say. please support lgbtq rights and listen to women's voices. that's all that really matters now. the right is evil, and should be opposed. thanks.


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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:21 PM

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I put the game down for a half a year after Squall didn't catch on to Quistis, the guy is just disinterested in almost everything... he's a better character in kingdom hearts and dissidia, but in 8 he's just far to scared to emote ... he's like every Vulcan that isn't Spock...

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:44 PM

I think Final Fantasy stopped being Final Fantasy when the PlayStation was release. Not that the games that follow weren't good (most weren't) but rather they just weren't anything like what preceded them.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:45 PM

Good thing for the topic name change. Didn't realize this had become a general Final Fantasy chat.

Let's see, my opinions (As if anyone really cared. icon-waspy.gif) of the Final Fantasy games I've played:

Final Fantasy 1 (NES): This oddly enough, was actually my very FIRST Final Fantasy! I purchased it from a wallmart back when they still sold NES games. (I still have the world map too! It's taped up to all hell, but I still HAVE it. Most of the instruction booklet too.) Can't say it's the best RPG I've ever played, but it was one of the first, so it holds a specail place in my heart. I still remember myself and my friend sitting side by side trying to figure out where to go next, or get through the latest dungeon. Oddly enough, we also stumbled upon the warmech and knew where it was.

Final Fantasy 2/4 (SNES): I recall really liking this one. Haven't played it (or really any of these) in ages. Though I do recall really loving the fact I could have five people in my party at one time.

Final Fantasy 3/6 (SNES): Ugh. This is the WORST Final Fantasy I've ever played, and I really wish it wasn't. See I love most of the characters. I love the setting. I like the battle system and what I recall of the story. There was just one thing that COMPLETLY RUINED the game for me.

NOTE: If you REALLY want to know I'll tell you. But if I'm asked, I know I'm gonig to go on a long winded rant about it, so I'm not mentioning it now. Ask at your own risk.

Final Fantasy 7 (Think you know what system these are all on): Ok, I rather liked this one, but mostly because I'm a big Sephiroth Fanboy. I think he's awsome. It doesn't hurt that I like most of the characters, it has my second favorite Final Fantasy female in it ever. (YUFFIE!) And that I find the Omni-Slash, and Zero Behomet as pure awsomeness. It's not the best game out there though, and certainly not my favorite of the Final Fantasys.

Final Fantasy 8: THIS IS MY FAVORITE. Yeah yeah, given the flak this has gotten in this thread I know what you are all thinking. Well think what you want. but I LOVE this game. I saw it in a light you who hate it did not. You say Squall is a emo whatever. I dissagree, but to each their own.

I do have a comment for Remilia Scarlet however. You said Squall was someone who generally hated people, but still was a nice guy. (Well in a nutshell anyway) I could have sworn I remember him saying that the reason he had withdrawn into himself was because he was afraid of being hurt by people, and at the same time afraid of hurting others. So he enclosed himself in a shell.

My understading of the Rinoa relationship thing was that, yeah She pissed him off at first, but deep down he was rather envious of how open she could be, and admired her a bit for it. As their time together went on, he began to realize just how much he admired the type of person she was, and how much he was begining to care for her, which comes to a climax later in the game where he has to admit to himself that he really does love her.

Anyway that's how -I- remember the game. I can't go into ever little detail, as it's been years since I've played the game. I need to make time for a re-play. I really do.

Plus, I really liked the Junction system of this game. Got the hang of it right off the start, and began to learn how to make my characters gods during some fights. Remember when Questis, Selphie and Rinoa are running through those sewers early in the game? Well I had decided to see what the 'old lamp' or whatever held Diablo did, and accidently fought him right there. But thanks to the Junction system. I managed to make it where I could defeat and aquire him. Right there with that party.

Course it also had the Doom Train, and the Doom Train is awsome.

Anyway, I've ranted about my love for this game enough. But I can say ONE thing.

No matter HOW you feel about Final Fantasy VIII. There is one thing I think we can ALL agree on:

It had the COOLEST Airship EVAR!! icon-waspy.gif

Final Fantasy 9: I don't get why this seems to get so much hate. (I've heard a lot of hate for it at random places on the web) I thought it was a rather good game. Not as good as 8 (and frankly to me, nothing may ever be) But It was well put together. Vivi is pretty awsome, and I thought Zidane was a great character. Kuja the 'bad dude' was pretty cool. In fact, the only thing I fault this game for is that I was never able to get Beatrix as a party member. >_<

Never played Final Fantasy 10 or 11. Nor X-2 since I never played the first one.

Final Fantasy Tactics: Eh... sorry folks, but stratagy RPGs and me do not mix. I just don't find having to place my people on a grid and doing the battles that way as fun. Usually they just seem rather slow and tedious. I do like a lot of the ideas in the game. I just can't really get into it. Then again, the only stratagy RPG I've ever gotten into and loved was the Zone of Enders GBA game.

Final Fantasy 12: Man does this have a funny story for me. See I was sure I wasn't going to like this game. I only picked it up on launch day because of the specail edition. I wanted the DVD, had the spare cash, and thought: "This is a limited edition Final Fantasy game. Mostly likely this will become impossible to find later." Of course I was wrong about that, but it doesn't matter. I was wrong on not enjoying it too.

I had just paid fifty bucks for this game, so you better believe I was going to at least try it out. Turns out, I really enjoyed the battle system, and the use of the Quickinings. The story is nothing specail, and I rather hate the complete lack of any sort of love story. Vaan, wasn't that bad. Don't get me wrong, I didn't love him, but he didn't annoy me. So meh. Fran and Bailther are the best of the bunch though.

I think it's mostly the hunting guild sidequest stuff that got me so hooked. I just loved getting a new hunt, and going out into the world to find this thing so I could kill it. ^_^ Yiazmet's defeat still feels like one of my greatest game accomplishments.

Unfortantly that's pretty much it for my Final Fantasy intake. Never played any of the other ones.

Though I'm defianetly looking forward to 13. The game looks really awsome. But we shall see when it is released.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:53 PM

the best part of 8 was when Odin is defeated and Gilgamesh shows up.

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 07:57 PM

So, am I the only person who likes FFX the best? I loved the battle system and sphere grid and thought the voice acting was superb. I even really liked Tidus! The only part of FFX that left me cold was Kimarhi because I could never find a real effective use for him in battle. FFX has my favorite ending too on account of it being a total downer. icon-screamer.gif

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Posted 24 November 2009 - 08:00 PM

its not my favorite because of 6&9, but 10/10-2 are close to the top. Blue Mages are always hard to use long term... however I used him as a lancer mostly... and if you grind enough and complete the grid for all the characters job classes don't matter as much.

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