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@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

Though I think the brain is a finite storage space so you'd probably start forgetting so much after some point it'd be like a new person transitioning in every few centuries. That'd be a good reason to keep a diary.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:43 AM)

I think immortality is possible biologically in the future, or at least living for vastly longer spans of time. I'd personally be happy to live at least a few thousand years, but I'd aim for forever.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:34 AM)

@MEDdMI Oh man, that bugs me all the time.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:33 AM)

Well, yesterday was a depressing bout of thinking I was going to get TR Hot Rod and then not getting TR Hot Rod after all (among other things).

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:31 AM)

Which is also something that bugs me about the "your dead loved ones are always watching you" concept. Do you mind? I'd like a little privacy, please!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:30 AM)

Even if it was possible, I can't help but think people would skip to the "good" parts, like sex.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:26 AM)

exactly.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:21 AM)

Besides the fact that it's all silly sci-fi scenarios, you can't just experience a memory and feel what that person felt since you have your own set of perceptual biases by which to judge the event

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 05:19 AM)

We already have something like that. It's called history class.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:18 AM)

"But in my ancestor's memory, they stole our orange first!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

"Your great-great-great-great-grandfather stole my great-great-great-great-grandfather's apple! I will kill you for that!"

@  Nevermore : (26 April 2017 - 05:14 AM)

If we had all our ancestors' knowledge, too many people would just use that as a excuse to continue old grudges for generations.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:13 AM)

I remember the same event a bit differently than my parents do, some things I'm sure happened but they don't remember or vice versa, etc.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:12 AM)

the problem with knowledge and memories is that our brains interpret/fill in gaps so it may not be completely accurate. It wouldn't be much different from autobiographical books/movies.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:37 AM)

yeah...this could just end up as a way for them to sell our grandkids Crystal Pepsi Max

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:35 AM)

Well, maybe this facebook mind reading thing I've been hearing about is the first step to that.... though I have to admit I'd prefer if it weren't such an advertising and data-collection obsessed company working on it

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:25 AM)

i'm legitimately hoping for the day when that happens, my snark aside, TM2-Megatron. Imagine what could be accomplished if future generations had first hand knowledge of the thoughts and contexts of the events that shaped their ancestors', and their own, world?

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:24 AM)

Even if it's just a way to download knowledge and memories without consciousness from a brain, I think that would go a long way towards easing people's minds.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 03:22 AM)

I dunno; like life itself I think the things that define it are open to change. It's not like I have grand expectations of immortality, constantly downloading my consciousness into freshly-grown genetically-enhanced clones of myself. But I think it's a waste for so much accumulated experience and memories to just wink out.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

or something

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:21 AM)

all semblence of order our purpose are symtoms of the sickness in man's ego mad mind. sense is not possible until the end.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 03:19 AM)

existence is a vulgar absurdity

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 03:18 AM)

Eh, death is part of what defines life. Sooner we accept that it's just a thing that happens, the better.

@  Pennpenn : (26 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

Probably be easier to develop that kind of thing if a significant portion of the population didn't think it was going to happen anyway for no adequately explainable reason.

@  TM2-Megatron : (26 April 2017 - 02:42 AM)

Death doesn't terrify me, but I have to admit I find the notion of its inevitably more than a little disappointing. I'd hope there's eventually some way to preserve our minds in some form prior to death

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:55 AM)

Or maybe some broken kid in a giant cyborg will turn us all into tang. Who knows what the future brings?

@  Waspinator : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

As someone terrified of death, I for one welcome our transhumanist singularity overlords.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 01:52 AM)

Our grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren's grandchildren will be less than dust before heat death matters anyway.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 01:51 AM)

Signularity is a meaningless buzzword, like a lot of this transhumanist late-game stuff.


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#1 lonegamer8

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:44 AM

Out Wednesday April 1, 2009. HEL-LOOO, Jazz-meister!

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:15 PM

crap! my local comic book store didn't have anything today because a storm last week here in colorado has delayed everything. have to wait til tomorrow to get this

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 12:18 PM

I don't think we needed a Spotlight to remind us of exactly why Jazz rocks. This doesn't hurt, mind, but it does feel like something of a cookie-cutter plot.

Not bad though. A flashback to - presumably - pre-Thunderwing Cybertron told sometime before AHM #1, and not a bad message.

Awesome art as always from Su, but I think van Reyk and Knowler need a little more practice with the format.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 03:56 PM

Nothing particularly bad. Nothing special either. Kind of in the "take it or leave it" pile along with Ramjet, Mirage, and Blurr. But much more enjoyable than any of them, I will say. EJ's art seemed a little sketchy here and there.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:53 PM

I really want a Deluxe Universe Jazz toy now.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE(Shockprowl04 @ Apr 1 2009, 01:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Nothing particularly bad. Nothing special either. Kind of in the "take it or leave it" pile along with Ramjet, Mirage, and Blurr. But much more enjoyable than any of them, I will say. EJ's art seemed a little sketchy here and there.

I had minor quibbles with EJ's art early on during the earlier -Ations, due to his TFs' expressions, or slight lack thereof. Details on physicals (neck cables, in between knuckles) are amazing but the facial expressions kinda fell flat (as compared to Don, Guido, or Nick). Here, some of them looked a little goofy, but I put it down to some of the grinning. However I consider it improvement. icon-fire.gif

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 10:59 PM

Man, you can tell this was written by the Mosaic guys. Why?

TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC

Let's see. Tracks gets to tell a story! Everyone sits around and listens! Oh my God, they even SHAKE HIS HAND at the end, they are so enthralled by his awesome story! Oh man, wasn't that a great story? Whew! He sure tells good stories! Everyone will be talking about his awesome story.

And the story wasn't even all that great. OH HEY ONCE WE DIDN'T DIE? Because a helicopter arrived just in time? Dude, these guys have been fighting for millions of years. And they're dazzled by a series of cliches? Ooookay.

But, man! They sure loved his story!

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 1 2009, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC


I could have told you that when I found out the premise was "Jazz (he's so cool) fights the Predacons (they're so tough)".

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:07 AM

I love how everyone gets along at the end. icon-fire.gif

Wonder what could've happened to make everyone antsy again by the time they were first shown on Cybertron in AHM? icon-wildride.gif

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 10:44 AM

QUOTE(Robogeek1973 @ Apr 2 2009, 10:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I love how everyone gets along at the end. icon-fire.gif

Wonder what could've happened to make everyone antsy again by the time they were first shown on Cybertron in AHM? icon-wildride.gif


Probably came off that "Volatile Planet Has Goofy Fumes" high.

I mean, c'mon. They were SHAKING HIS HAND because his STUPID STORY CHANGED THEIR LIVES. These were not well mechs. Either that, or they were just humoring Tracks. But why? That is a tale for another day...

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:44 PM

Jazz is one of my favorite characters, but that was just.....

Argh.

At least it was pretty most of the time.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 2 2009, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably came off that "Volatile Planet Has Goofy Fumes" high.


Ah yes, I forgot about the fumes.....moving on.

edit: spelling

Edited by Robogeek1973, 02 April 2009 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 02 April 2009 - 09:24 PM

Okay issue. Could've used more Drift, though.

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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:18 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 1 2009, 11:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, you can tell this was written by the Mosaic guys. Why?

TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC

Let's see. Tracks gets to tell a story! Everyone sits around and listens! Oh my God, they even SHAKE HIS HAND at the end, they are so enthralled by his awesome story! Oh man, wasn't that a great story? Whew! He sure tells good stories! Everyone will be talking about his awesome story.

And the story wasn't even all that great. OH HEY ONCE WE DIDN'T DIE? Because a helicopter arrived just in time? Dude, these guys have been fighting for millions of years. And they're dazzled by a series of cliches? Ooookay.

But, man! They sure loved his story!

PLEASE LOVE OUR STORY.

Yeah.

That sounds about right.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 02:20 AM

It was alright, I was hoping for something more grim and black ops-esque judging from what Kup said to Jazz early on in AHM about Jazz's past missions and that.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 03:20 AM

QUOTE(Reload @ Apr 3 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was alright, I was hoping for something more grim and black ops-esque judging from what Kup said to Jazz early on in AHM about Jazz's past missions and that.

I actually steered clear of previews for that book and frankly, this was what I was hoping for too.

Instead, we got... well... like I said earlier, Walky summed it up best.

You're far too young to be this bitter and angry at the world....

I'm reading that with Roy's voice. Heck, I read everything you post in a laconic Irish accent.

 


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE(Detour @ Apr 3 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Reload @ Apr 3 2009, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It was alright, I was hoping for something more grim and black ops-esque judging from what Kup said to Jazz early on in AHM about Jazz's past missions and that.

I actually steered clear of previews for that book and frankly, this was what I was hoping for too.

Instead, we got... well... like I said earlier, Walky summed it up best.


I agree yeah, it was a bit cheesy.

Prowl's "Whaaaaaaat?" face at the end when Jazz said he already knew Track's story was a good example of this I think. Up to that point I genuinely thought Prowl had pieced together it was Jazz based on what he had gleamed from Track's story...but yeah.

It was nice seeing lots of typically underexposed characters being used, but yeah, cheesy stuff all round.

Edited by Reload, 03 April 2009 - 03:40 AM.


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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Apr 2 2009, 04:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Man, you can tell this was written by the Mosaic guys. Why?

TOTAL WISH FULFILLMENT FANFIC

Let's see. Tracks gets to tell a story! Everyone sits around and listens! Oh my God, they even SHAKE HIS HAND at the end, they are so enthralled by his awesome story! Oh man, wasn't that a great story? Whew! He sure tells good stories! Everyone will be talking about his awesome story.

And the story wasn't even all that great. OH HEY ONCE WE DIDN'T DIE? Because a helicopter arrived just in time? Dude, these guys have been fighting for millions of years. And they're dazzled by a series of cliches? Ooookay.

But, man! They sure loved his story!

PLEASE LOVE OUR STORY.


The vaguely sad thing is, I'd wonder if they actually knew they were doing it, or if it just came out that way subconsciously.

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 05:22 AM

not bad for a debut effort,
personally i would of preferred it to seen more internal narrative from Jazz, but i know with the Special Op's stuff it could of turned into something too reminiscent of Hot Rod Spotlight.
But i do know i was expecting something more SAS in style, I'd pictured Jazz being more James Bondish, doing assasinations or Kidnapping of Decepticon hi rankers, i mean yeah maybe not torture (more a Repugnus gig) but something a bit grittier. Being as completely unbiased as i can, i think whilst it was a good uplifting story, it just didnt suit the character of Jazz well enough for me, dunno who it would of worked better with, Springer maybe ?
Also i think the art had a few bad panels, there was one where everyone was crowded round tracks and both Lines and colours just weren't as hawt as these guys normally produce,

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Posted 03 April 2009 - 07:53 AM

Before I read this issue, I was torn on what kind of approach I should take in judging it, knowing that some 'newbie' fans like myself were the ones breaking it out.

I decided, "Hey, if I'm paying the $3.99 to read it, then I should not evaluate with kid gloves on, I should evaluate it just as I would any other Spotlight comic".

So I did just that.

And loved it.

From start to finish, this story kept my attention, and as the story unfolded whilst reading it, I think a congratulative smile kind of crept onto my face.

So yeah, congrats to you guys for putting this together. I found it to be just the kind of tale that got me into Transformers in the first place, full of heart and spirit with just the right amount of suspense, action, and humor. What a spotlight should be, really.

In particular, I applaud the decision to include a two-page spread of Jazz going at it with Razorclaw. Some might find this wasted space, but I have found that these kind of battles have been somewhat neglected of late. I think Prime vs. Megs in Escalation was maybe the last time such focus had been put on a fight.

And let's face it, these are the kind of battles that cemented our love of Transformers in our youth, and it's nice to rekindle a bit of that now and then.

Also, nice use of 'tech'. These are robots, after all, so it's nice to see the use of a cable-toted camera retracting from Jazz's wrist, for example, and the static-like vision from Tracks damaged optics. Nice touches.

I am hardpressed to find something I didn't like, but if put to the task, i would say the Predacons were too easily taken out. One could still rationalize this, though, by saying they had not faced an opponent with the cunning, guile, and heart of Jazz. So it still works on some level, IMO.

One of the best Spotlight yet to see print.

Strong work.

Give it an "A".

With MD #4, twas a great day to be a TF comic fan.