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@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

was the originial crisis really a good idea?

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#1 (Deactivated) Nemo Yojimbo

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:16 AM

so i've been reading my DC showcase editions, as well as re-reading Alan Moores pitch for his never made Twillight project, and a thought came to mind: was the retcon really that great an idea?

granted, COIE was a really great story, and it helped spawn some really excelent {and some really crappy} relaunches and reimagnings. on the other hand, we have situations like what i call the Kryptonian problem; that is, by decreeing that Superman was the only survivor, you have the problem of what to do with Supergirl, not to mention the problems with the Legion and Superboy.

i understand the reasoning behind it, i just think in the end they could have made a better choice.

Edited by Nemo Yojimbo, 15 July 2008 - 04:17 AM.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:23 AM

I think everything Post-Crisis could have been executed better. Had they started completely from scratch with all their titles, rather than just redoing their origins and then picking up where they left off before the Crisis, saying "Oh, some of that stuff you remember happened and some of it didn't".

The best thing about the Crisis was that we got a lot of expanded origins that were really great, like Batman: Year One and Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn. But writers haphazardly deciding which Pre-Crisis stories were canon and which weren't, rather than simply starting over and retelling things from the beginning, made things just as confusing as if there were fifty different Earths.

Then you have the matter of Wonder Woman, who they decided needed to be "newly introduced" into the DCU...which meant that her derivitive sidekick, Wondergirl, now pedated her somehow. Then there's that cluster**** of "Wonder Woman co-founded the JLA, now wait it was Black Canary, nevermind its Wonder Woman again".

Anyway, the whole thing seems pointless now that they've brought back the Multiverse.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 08:16 AM

I'm with the "Sole Survivor" idea.

and I wish it were still the case.

YES, the original COIE was a great idea. It got rid of confusing crap that has no business existing (like the multiverse), and distilled the DCU into a cohesive universe.

I wish the changes that were made then were still in effect and ironclad today, so that Geoff Johns couldn't bring Barry back.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:43 AM

theres no way anyone would bring barry back permanently; but i dont see why they cant have a srot of one time special crossover. for the flashes, time is fluid. theres no reason wally or bart {who i'm sure isnt dead} couldnt run into barry, it would just have to be a barry from before the crisis.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:58 AM

theres no way anyone would bring barry back permanently

I wouldn't be so sure, word is "The Flash" is getting cancelled and Johns is relaunching it with Barry.


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:02 AM

that......does not rock.

that very much does not rock.

Edited by Nemo Yojimbo, 17 July 2008 - 04:04 AM.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 09:00 AM

The Crisis as a way of rebooting the DCU so it makes sense (i.e., updating everyone into the present and getting them all in the same universe), yes. It led to a lot of cool story concepts and character interactions. My only gripe is that, as DrSpengler noted, it didn't go far enough. They should've actually rebooted the universe (like what Marvel later did with Ultimates), and started everything over (not so much to change, but to incorporate the retcons into actual continuity [show the first meeting between Batman & Superman, show the founding of the League, show the origin of the Superman/Luthor feud, etc]).

The Crisis as a way of ending the Multiverse and establishing One True Timeline. . . Not so much. The very concept missed the whole point of parallel worlds theory (really, the Crisis itself would just have created more alternate timelines --one in which the Crisis happened, one in which it didn't, one in which it played out differently, etc). Plus it all falls apart without the Linear Men to deus ex machina things together.

Which of course means that Infinite Crisis didn't need to happen (because the Multiverse should still have existed, and wouldn't need to be "recreated").

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Jul 17 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which of course means that Infinite Crisis didn't need to happen (because the Multiverse should still have existed, and wouldn't need to be "recreated").

That's one of several reasons why Infinite Crisis didn't need to happen.


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 02:24 PM

Yeah, the Marvel Ultimates way was better. Leave the original timeline alone and just start up an alternate line for the rebooted, everyone-starting-out-in-the-modern-timeframe stories.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:30 PM

No matter what they do, Marvel and DC comics both have incredibly convoluted continuities. When a universe gets that old, there's really nothing that can be done for it to clear things up. Anything intended to straighten out the line further complicates things.

Edited by Pigbag, 17 July 2008 - 05:32 PM.

It's time to bring the crunch!

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:34 PM

Twilight happened. It was just paint-humped by Alex Ross and given a new name.