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@  Roddie Luver : (27 May 2020 - 09:37 PM)

I’m also sad Cyberverse has no season four.

@  Paladin : (26 May 2020 - 08:10 PM)

it's too hugging hot today.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I'll agree with you on that.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

*Figured -_-

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 03:39 PM)

I fugured

@  Steevy Maximus : (25 May 2020 - 01:37 PM)

I'm actually sad Cyberverse won't get another season. 2 and 3 (of what I've seen) have REALLY nailed it in being fun little actions shows, like the Sunbow series.

@  Rycochet : (25 May 2020 - 01:00 PM)


@  Maximus Ambus : (25 May 2020 - 12:52 PM)

I'm waiting for Animated season 4. Am I insane?

@  wonko the sane? : (25 May 2020 - 11:22 AM)

I'm waiting for the next season to show up on netflix.

@  Sabrblade : (25 May 2020 - 10:59 AM)

Many of us have already watched the rest of the Cyberverse episodes since the whole third season aired in the UK last September.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 10:18 AM)


@  -LittleAutob... : (25 May 2020 - 10:17 AM)

I just saw the 8th episode... omg

@  Bass X0 : (25 May 2020 - 01:28 AM)

Already seen it online.

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 May 2020 - 09:42 PM)

Who's excited for tomorrow? The only thing that makes Monday worth it is the Cyberverse episodes .-.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 May 2020 - 12:30 PM)

Welcome. I just came into that trick myself recently, so happy to share.

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 12:05 PM)

Thanks, wonko the sane? for the tip with the cloning. That helped a lot!

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 May 2020 - 12:02 PM)

Heheh.... yes... I don't think a sniper would be very good at making a vaccine... 0.0

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 11:48 AM)

All right! Cloning my old HHD to an SSD and then swapping out the drive was successful, it would appear. Finally.

@  Bass X0 : (24 May 2020 - 11:30 AM)

Scientist Perceptor is. Sniper Perceptor less so.

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 May 2020 - 10:51 AM)

Perceptor would be more responsible.

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 May 2020 - 10:48 AM)

Oof x~x

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 10:45 AM)

He'd cure the virus, but he'd probably commit at least two crimes against nature and weaponize a third in the process.

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 May 2020 - 09:39 AM)

'Horrible consequences' would most likely happen with Brainstorm...

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 May 2020 - 08:16 AM)

Totally. And Percy's not even human. XD

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 06:50 AM)

Can't do much worse than our current government, I say go for it.

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Little do we realize that the Perceptor in question is the Mini-Con combiner. :p

@  -LittleAutob... : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

He would!!!

@  -LittleAutob... : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

Horrible consequences? I... Doubt that would happen.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:55 PM)

Even if he would come up with the answer by tomorrow.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:54 PM)

I'd rather not deal with the horrible but unintended consequences of that.

@  -LittleAutob... : (23 May 2020 - 09:52 PM)

Lets let Perceptor make a vaccine for COVID-19. Who agrees with me :)

@  -LittleAutob... : (23 May 2020 - 08:43 PM)

I'll take your word for it. =D

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:42 PM)

Although the TV edits of Robocop do contain some hilarity

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:41 PM)

I can't think of any instance where sanitizing a film is a good thing.

@  -LittleAutob... : (23 May 2020 - 06:42 PM)

.... and thats a good thing? :doh

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 May 2020 - 06:39 PM)

I'm watching Predator on Starz! That means it has all the language and gore uncensored!

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 04:23 PM)

*grabs popcorn*

@  -LittleAutob... : (23 May 2020 - 12:49 PM)

*watching everyone argue* O^O

@  fourteenwings : (23 May 2020 - 10:22 AM)

By that logic we might as well just get rid of the Shoutbox wholesale! I'd rather have like 3 or 4 things stuck for a week or so than one person dominating the whole thing (no offense Nevermore).

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 May 2020 - 03:30 AM)

I would argue that "full of something one doesn't read" and "devoid of reading material" are functionally identical at the end-user level. :D

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:58 PM)

If it emptied, it would become empty.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 07:53 PM)

It would be the same effect as if the shoutbox simply emptied once or twice a week.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:27 PM)

I don't see how having walls of the same guy on top whenever I go to any page on this site is "refreshing".

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 06:10 PM)

I don't know, I find the occasional flushing of the box to be refreshing.

@  Telly : (22 May 2020 - 04:20 PM)

but its gets annoying seeing a wall of text from him that takes up most of the shoutbox

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Eh, that's just Nevermore.

@  fourteenwings : (22 May 2020 - 12:11 AM)

@Nevermore: Good rule of thumb is if you feel like you need not just multiple statements but also multiple shouts to make a point, best just make a thread.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 05:36 PM)

Dude, do you just, not know when to stop?

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:35 PM)

Instead of "I have only ten hours to get all my stuff from place A to place B", it's more like "I temporarily stored 90% of my stuff in easily accessible place C in my spare time, so now I have ten hours to get the remaining 10% of my stuff over to the new place before permanently saying goodbye to the old place".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 PM)

At these point you two are just repeating what you already said.

was the originial crisis really a good idea?

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#1 (Deactivated) Nemo Yojimbo

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:16 AM

so i've been reading my DC showcase editions, as well as re-reading Alan Moores pitch for his never made Twillight project, and a thought came to mind: was the retcon really that great an idea?

granted, COIE was a really great story, and it helped spawn some really excelent {and some really crappy} relaunches and reimagnings. on the other hand, we have situations like what i call the Kryptonian problem; that is, by decreeing that Superman was the only survivor, you have the problem of what to do with Supergirl, not to mention the problems with the Legion and Superboy.

i understand the reasoning behind it, i just think in the end they could have made a better choice.

Edited by Nemo Yojimbo, 15 July 2008 - 04:17 AM.

#2 Mark Pellegrini

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 06:23 AM

I think everything Post-Crisis could have been executed better. Had they started completely from scratch with all their titles, rather than just redoing their origins and then picking up where they left off before the Crisis, saying "Oh, some of that stuff you remember happened and some of it didn't".

The best thing about the Crisis was that we got a lot of expanded origins that were really great, like Batman: Year One and Green Lantern: Emerald Dawn. But writers haphazardly deciding which Pre-Crisis stories were canon and which weren't, rather than simply starting over and retelling things from the beginning, made things just as confusing as if there were fifty different Earths.

Then you have the matter of Wonder Woman, who they decided needed to be "newly introduced" into the DCU...which meant that her derivitive sidekick, Wondergirl, now pedated her somehow. Then there's that cluster**** of "Wonder Woman co-founded the JLA, now wait it was Black Canary, nevermind its Wonder Woman again".

Anyway, the whole thing seems pointless now that they've brought back the Multiverse.

#3 (Deactivated) Mr.Blisterfists

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 08:16 AM

I'm with the "Sole Survivor" idea.

and I wish it were still the case.

YES, the original COIE was a great idea. It got rid of confusing crap that has no business existing (like the multiverse), and distilled the DCU into a cohesive universe.

I wish the changes that were made then were still in effect and ironclad today, so that Geoff Johns couldn't bring Barry back.

#4 (Deactivated) Nemo Yojimbo

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:43 AM

theres no way anyone would bring barry back permanently; but i dont see why they cant have a srot of one time special crossover. for the flashes, time is fluid. theres no reason wally or bart {who i'm sure isnt dead} couldnt run into barry, it would just have to be a barry from before the crisis.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:58 AM

theres no way anyone would bring barry back permanently

I wouldn't be so sure, word is "The Flash" is getting cancelled and Johns is relaunching it with Barry.


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 04:02 AM

that......does not rock.

that very much does not rock.

Edited by Nemo Yojimbo, 17 July 2008 - 04:04 AM.

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 09:00 AM

The Crisis as a way of rebooting the DCU so it makes sense (i.e., updating everyone into the present and getting them all in the same universe), yes. It led to a lot of cool story concepts and character interactions. My only gripe is that, as DrSpengler noted, it didn't go far enough. They should've actually rebooted the universe (like what Marvel later did with Ultimates), and started everything over (not so much to change, but to incorporate the retcons into actual continuity [show the first meeting between Batman & Superman, show the founding of the League, show the origin of the Superman/Luthor feud, etc]).

The Crisis as a way of ending the Multiverse and establishing One True Timeline. . . Not so much. The very concept missed the whole point of parallel worlds theory (really, the Crisis itself would just have created more alternate timelines --one in which the Crisis happened, one in which it didn't, one in which it played out differently, etc). Plus it all falls apart without the Linear Men to deus ex machina things together.

Which of course means that Infinite Crisis didn't need to happen (because the Multiverse should still have existed, and wouldn't need to be "recreated").

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE(Cybersnark @ Jul 17 2008, 10:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Which of course means that Infinite Crisis didn't need to happen (because the Multiverse should still have existed, and wouldn't need to be "recreated").

That's one of several reasons why Infinite Crisis didn't need to happen.


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Posted 17 July 2008 - 02:24 PM

Yeah, the Marvel Ultimates way was better. Leave the original timeline alone and just start up an alternate line for the rebooted, everyone-starting-out-in-the-modern-timeframe stories.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 05:30 PM

No matter what they do, Marvel and DC comics both have incredibly convoluted continuities. When a universe gets that old, there's really nothing that can be done for it to clear things up. Anything intended to straighten out the line further complicates things.

Edited by Pigbag, 17 July 2008 - 05:32 PM.

It's time to bring the crunch!

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 06:34 PM

Twilight happened. It was just paint-humped by Alex Ross and given a new name.