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@  wonko the sane? : (26 September 2020 - 04:09 PM)

On an unrelated note: I just got the BBTS email about kingdom pre-orders... and even the stuff I don't want I'm perfectly willing to get if it means I can have the rest of it.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 September 2020 - 04:08 PM)

It's digimon. So first one, then the other.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

50/50 odds, it's either a helicopter with limbs, or a scantily-clad human with heli blades on their back. If female, 90% odds on the second one.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (26 September 2020 - 12:39 PM)

I read that as "Helicoptermon" and wondered what kind of Digimon that was.

@  Bass X0 : (26 September 2020 - 12:35 PM)

Helicopter-mom, transform!

@  Maximus Ambus : (25 September 2020 - 11:58 PM)

Aw I scratched the hood of my 35th anniversary Bluestreak. Fortunately he's in robot mode a lot.

@  Sabrblade : (25 September 2020 - 07:24 PM)

No decoration could improve the wall more than Knockout himself

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 September 2020 - 05:04 PM)

The wall could use some decorating, though. Maybe a nice shelf or a portrait.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 04:32 PM)

I'm laughing so hard XDDD

@  ▲ndrusi : (25 September 2020 - 02:31 PM)

He doesn't even mind this time. You know what? It's comfortable here.

@  -LittleAutob... : (25 September 2020 - 02:23 PM)

AND THEN KNOCKOUT WAS IN THE WALL AGAIN XDDD

@  Bass X0 : (25 September 2020 - 01:11 PM)

is an annoying stage in Super Mario World.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 September 2020 - 02:15 PM)

Gnarly.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (24 September 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Beast Era, a blonde rat called Sunsqueaker.

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 September 2020 - 01:00 PM)

And then Knockout was in the wall again.

@  Sabrblade : (24 September 2020 - 12:53 PM)

Knockout: "Ooh, sorry, Lord Megatron. The correct word was... 'Decepticon'."

@  -LittleAutob... : (24 September 2020 - 11:15 AM)

Knockout: *while doing a crossword puzzle* Lord Megatron, whats a ten letter word for disappointment? | Megatron: ...... Starscream.

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 September 2020 - 01:20 PM)

@Bass X0 Shockwave did it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 11:56 AM)

At least it's not Suntwerker.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 September 2020 - 11:19 AM)

I read that name as "suntweaker" the first time, and was terrified for a moment...

@  Bass X0 : (23 September 2020 - 03:41 AM)

Prowl did nothing wrong.

@  TheMightyMol... : (23 September 2020 - 01:50 AM)

Smashy, Stabby, Selfy, and Shieldy.

@  Xero Prime : (22 September 2020 - 08:52 PM)

RunFast, MuckyTrail, TrackBreaker and Sunstreaker

@  TheMightyMol... : (22 September 2020 - 06:16 AM)

Runamuck, Fasttrack, Sunstreaker, and Trailbreaker.

@  Nevermore : (22 September 2020 - 06:13 AM)

Cardboard and plastic.

@  Paladin : (22 September 2020 - 05:52 AM)

what's IN Wave 3, anyway?

@  Telly : (21 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

i dont think theyre due for release until november. at least thats when target says ill get trailbreaker and sunstreaker. thought the wiki says theyre out in singapore

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 September 2020 - 06:01 PM)

Has wave 3 actually reached anywhere yet?

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 September 2020 - 04:40 PM)

A few more Bearimy's for Earthrise wave 3 to reach the UK

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 05:07 PM)

Cheers pal.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 September 2020 - 04:42 PM)

Welcome aboard!

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 04:38 PM)

Hey, new to the boards

@  RichardT1977 : (20 September 2020 - 02:29 PM)

I had an idea for a Spiral Zone/Go-Busters crossover fanfic...

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.


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#1 ShadowFox

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 02:36 AM

Link to Yahoo! article

Link to Bloomberg article

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Konami Sues Viacom Over Rock Band
Battle of the virtual bands shifts from the stage to the courthouse.
By Ben Silverman

We wanted a rock opera, not a soap opera.

According to a Bloomberg report, the one-time king of the music game genre has filed suit against Harmonix, MTV Networks and Viacom, claiming that the hit game Rock Band violates a variety of patents issued to Konami back in 2002 and 2003. These involve "simulated musical instruments, a music-game system and a musical-rhythm matching game."

If you think Konami is just digging for a cash settlement, you'd only be half-right. The Dance Dance Revolution masterminds are reportedly seeking financial compensation along with an order to block Harmonix from using any inventions covered by the patents, which presumably would include Rock Band's lauded peripherals. If it goes through, it could spell disaster for the breakout MTV music game franchise.

The suit is just the latest in a series of legal salvos between music video game makers. Several months back, guitar maker Gibson sued Viacom, Guitar Hero publisher Activision and a group of retailers over the violation of another suite of music game patents. Harmonix, meanwhile, claims to own its very own set of patents, making this quite the patent-holding headache.

Harmonix issued a terse response to the Konami suit.

"Konami's actions are extremely surprising. Unfortunately, successful products such as Rock Band can often become targets for baseless litigation," a company spokesperson said. "We have substantial defenses to this claim and intend to vigorously defend it."

Ironically, Konami has recently been criticized for jumping on the video game bandwagon after announcing Rock Revolution, an upcoming rhythm game inspired in large part by Rock Band itself. A Rock Band sequel is planned for release this September.




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Posted 15 July 2008 - 03:14 AM

uh Konamis had a rythim gutar based game for quite awaile I saw this comeing for quite some time and has evey right to sue

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 04:48 AM

It's equally likely that Konami will have its patents challenged and lose them. The patent office lets a lot of crap through that's not really patentable. For example Konami can have a patent on their guitar simulation controller, but not on the concept thereof (I mean seriously, it's a fake guitar prop, I made several out of plywood when I was a kid, gimme money Konami), or their style of rhythm game, but not the concept thereof, etc etc. For example, Sony lost the DualShock lawsuit because they actually reverse engineered the DualShock from Nintendo's Rumble Pak, not because Nintendo owns the idea of force feedback.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 08:04 AM

QUOTE(Dante @ Jul 15 2008, 05:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For example, Sony lost the DualShock lawsuit because they actually reverse engineered the DualShock from Nintendo's Rumble Pak, not because Nintendo owns the idea of force feedback.


Nintendo's force-feedback devices use a solenoid to fire a weight back and forth linearly.

Dualshock uses a rotational motor with an off-balance weight, which was patented by the Immersion corporation as a means of doing force-feedback for a computing device.

Sony lost the Dualshock lawsuit to Immersion. Nintendo had nothing to do with it.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 08:46 AM

Question is, WHY did it take Konami so long to sue? That's my biggest issue with cases like these. They seem to wait till the competition has pretty much locked up the market and THEN go and try to sue instead of catching it early. It's like they let Activision/EA test the NA/EU market for them and when they saw that band-style music games were a HUGE success, they THEN decided to sue on patent infringement while preparing their own title for the market.

Granted it's not quite as crazy as the whole Gibson vs. Activision patent lawsuit. Considering that Gibson had been licensing their guitar designs for use in Guitar Hero since the first game... You'd think their legal department would have had better communications with their licensing department.

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Posted 15 July 2008 - 02:05 PM

They have every right to challenge their patents, and I have every right to boycott them if they cause my playing RB2 to be delayed.
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Posted 15 July 2008 - 02:23 PM

QUOTE(Zedoben @ Jul 15 2008, 09:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Question is, WHY did it take Konami so long to sue? That's my biggest issue with cases like these. They seem to wait till the competition has pretty much locked up the market and THEN go and try to sue instead of catching it early. It's like they let Activision/EA test the NA/EU market for them and when they saw that band-style music games were a HUGE success, they THEN decided to sue on patent infringement while preparing their own title for the market.

Granted it's not quite as crazy as the whole Gibson vs. Activision patent lawsuit. Considering that Gibson had been licensing their guitar designs for use in Guitar Hero since the first game... You'd think their legal department would have had better communications with their licensing department.


The more money a company makes in its sales, the more money you can claim is rightfully yours in a suit. That's why they wait. Same reason Marvel waited until CoH was at its peak before filing a suit against them.

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Posted 16 July 2008 - 11:48 PM

They also had to get there ducks in a row and get sertin documents in order

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Posted 17 July 2008 - 09:12 AM

On one hand, it's one large corporation suing another larger (MUCH larger) corporation. Nothing new there.

On the other hand, holy God I hate Viacom so freaking much it's not even funny, so I actually kind of hope Viacom loses something in this suit, be it face, finances, or something else.
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Posted 17 July 2008 - 11:06 PM

Yes, they had to get their research done before suing Viacom.... BUT.... They've known that other companies were working on such games BEFORE the original Guitar Hero even came out. It's rather obvious they simply waited for them to become successes before suing, which is really abusing the system, though in a legal way.

Same thing happened with the compression technologies used in .gif and .mp3 files.

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Posted 18 July 2008 - 11:39 PM

Some are saying that waiting like this, while leading to a potentialy better financial outcome, can really hurt their case as well.

eh. im torn. Does Konami have the right to sue? Maybe, i mean i havnt seen the patents and im not a lawyer so even if i had seen em I coldnt tell if they were actualy valid or applicable.

On the other hand... 6? guitar hero games have come out so far, with a 7th on the way. Rockband has come out and has another on the way... Ive seen several other "guitar simulator" things come out includin that way to complicated standa lone one that has so many buttons the kid might as well be playing a real guitar... Seems like the lawsuit thing shoulda come up by now. Not defending their patents for so long cant go well in their favor as theres no way its taken this long to "get their ducks in a row"


eh, it will be intersting to see how this ends up. If they cant get an injunction against RB2 then it probably wont be delayed tho.


what i /really/ dont get is why after so much advancement in the series would Konami go ahead and put out a game that looks.. laughably bad against the competition? I have to wonder if they didnt think they could play with the big kids and then when they realized that they couldnt the finaly decided to try and take everyones ball's home so no one could play but them.