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@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

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#1 wonko the sane?

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 10:32 AM

It is a growing trend in gaming to leave multiple endings based on interactions and responses in the game. Bioshock is a great example of this. Right now, I'm playing through bioshock again, and I was rather intent on seeing the "bad ending". Last time through, I rescued all the little sisters. This time, I was gonna harvest the lot of them, and power through... but...


I can't do it. I can't seem to break the "good guy" archtype. No matter how hard I try, I can't do it. In any game even. In fallout, I just beat the kids to stop them from stealing, I don't kill them.

I am the only one? Trapped in an archtype and looking for a way out..
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:31 AM

I almost always play evil characters in games when given the choice. It's been my experience that the evil side is usually better written and more powerful than the good side in video games. Plus, its more interesting to explore a character that doesn't think exactly like me.


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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:41 AM

The only really open ended experience recently, that comes to mind, was Mass Effect.

I always liked answering badly, but took a look of good answers too. I was a badass with a heart of gold, basically.
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Posted 11 July 2008 - 12:08 PM

I always have issues playing the bad guy.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 01:10 PM

this is why i love overlord. sure, youre always the 'bad guy'

but you can be a 'good' evil over lord.. or a 'bad' evil over lord. and depending on you play effects everything in the game from your character's looks to how youre treated.

i always go as evil as i can. its just a lot more fun getting to do the things you wish you could get away with in real life.



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Posted 11 July 2008 - 01:14 PM

I walk a thin line between the two

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 02:29 PM

I always end up playing good in most games my first play through. Then I go the evil route with a female character my second time through.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 03:48 PM

i've tried to play evil in such games many times.....but i cant do it. i always end up being the good guy.

GTA, on the other hand......

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 03:59 PM

If a play a game normally, choosing what I'd choose if it was really men, I end up being Neutral, maybe a slight leaning towards evil. But I can play both sides. Occasionally I feel bad for a dark choice I make. I still feel bad from a minor event in Mass Effect, where you basically make the your biggest fan piss his pants and run away crying. I haven't been able to choose that choice again, because I felt like complete jive afterward.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 04:10 PM

For some reason, when I play as a bad guy in most games, I end up losing/dying pretty easily. Either I just suck at playing bad guys, or deep down I'm really a good guy through and through. icon-waspy.gif

Heck, in MGS4, I figured 'Hey, it's a war zone, might as well go all out,' and just stood up and rushed into the fray, Rambo-style.

I died in the second area of the Middle East act. icon-wildride.gif

Went back to my old tactic - patiently sneaking through, and rarely taking down enemies even with non lethal weapons - and cleared the first act no problem. icon-op.gif

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 05:06 PM

QUOTE(Demovere Xeno @ Jul 11 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
For some reason, when I play as a bad guy in most games, I end up losing/dying pretty easily. Either I just suck at playing bad guys, or deep down I'm really a good guy through and through. icon-waspy.gif

Heck, in MGS4, I figured 'Hey, it's a war zone, might as well go all out,' and just stood up and rushed into the fray, Rambo-style.

I died in the second area of the Middle East act. icon-wildride.gif

Went back to my old tactic - patiently sneaking through, and rarely taking down enemies even with non lethal weapons - and cleared the first act no problem. icon-op.gif


That's not a good or evil thing, thats just a combat strategy. icon-wildride.gif And MGS games tend to make rushing in a bad choice anyway.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 05:22 PM

Well besides mass effect (which i just played to get to the alien sex part to see what the hype was about) the only other game ive played with Good and evil concequences is fable.

And ive played through as both completely evil and good and i gotta say....Evil is sooooo much fun.

Being good you have to apologize, protect the innocent, and commit no wrong. Why do all that when you coudl just kill who you want, take what you please and rape and pillage....well not rape but you get what i mean.
Plus when your 100% evil you get horns and a receding hair line ala Hellboy. Flies fallow you and even the villagers are afraid of your every step.

Way better than beign a goody too shoes with the Halo's and butterflies.



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Posted 11 July 2008 - 07:33 PM

I love playing the bad guy in those games but I'll admit, there's certain choices that feel to evil sometimes and I don't do them.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 10:46 PM

I haven't played many games which offered the choice between good and evil, but I always ended up acting as a good guy because the bad choices usually boiled down to "act like a sociopath/psychopath". I can't bring myself to put myself in such a role, because I'll still feel empathy for a game's characters as long as they aren't completely stupid.

Mass Effect is the only game I've played where you don't act so much good VS. evil but rather moral/lawful VS. questionable/unlawful and *that*, I liked a lot. I was offered moral choices much closer to those I might be tempted to do in real life. You know, like killing a mass murderer instead of letting him go just because I don't have any proof to arrest him. I could justify making those 'evil' choices, unlike when it's either save the damsel in distress or run her through and rob her corpse (and I'm barely exaggerating).

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 11:17 PM

QUOTE(Prime 2.0 @ Jul 11 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well besides mass effect (which i just played to get to the alien sex part to see what the hype was about) the only other game ive played with Good and evil concequences is fable.

And ive played through as both completely evil and good and i gotta say....Evil is sooooo much fun.

Being good you have to apologize, protect the innocent, and commit no wrong. Why do all that when you coudl just kill who you want, take what you please and rape and pillage....well not rape but you get what i mean.
Plus when your 100% evil you get horns and a receding hair line ala Hellboy. Flies fallow you and even the villagers are afraid of your every step.

Way better than beign a goody too shoes with the Halo's and butterflies.

And your character looks even more wicked-awesome if you take Jack's mask at the end of the Lost Chapters version.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 05:27 AM

I don't think ME had a "good/bad" system, but more of one where it asked you how far you were willing to go to uphold the law. I think the best place that was emphasised with the DLC mission, where you had a choice of either killing the terrorist or saving the hostages and letting him escape.

I do tend to go for a third way, though.
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Posted 12 July 2008 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE(Exit Wound @ Jul 12 2008, 11:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think ME had a "good/bad" system, but more of one where it asked you how far you were willing to go to uphold the law. I think the best place that was emphasised with the DLC mission, where you had a choice of either killing the terrorist or saving the hostages and letting him escape.

I do tend to go for a third way, though.

Bring Down The Sky pissed me off, actually. I really couldn't being myself to save the hostages... In my mind, negotiating with someone who wants to drop an asteroid on a colonised world is just not an option. It just invites more disgruntled wankers to do the same. And so I got renegade points, even though at the end of things, I brought him in rather than kill him outright.

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 09:16 AM

I didn't know you could bring him in. I guess I was itching to use my HMWSG Mark X Shotgun with a pair of Scram Rail Mark X's and High Explosive Ammunition Mark X with Carnage.
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#19 Prime 2.0

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Posted 12 July 2008 - 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(Prime 2.0 @ Jul 11 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well besides mass effect (which i just played to get to the alien sex part to see what the hype was about) the only other game ive played with Good and evil concequences is fable.

And ive played through as both completely evil and good and i gotta say....Evil is sooooo much fun.

Being good you have to apologize, protect the innocent, and commit no wrong. Why do all that when you coudl just kill who you want, take what you please and rape and pillage....well not rape but you get what i mean.
Plus when your 100% evil you get horns and a receding hair line ala Hellboy. Flies fallow you and even the villagers are afraid of your every step.

Way better than beign a goody too shoes with the Halo's and butterflies.

And your character looks even more wicked-awesome if you take Jack's mask at the end of the Lost Chapters version.


Honestly the mask kinda ruined it for me, it just seemed a bit off. And IDK if iam remembering this correctly but you couldnt put a helmet on over the mask so it looked rather dorky and out of place with the big bulky black armor my guy wore.



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#20 Wing

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Posted 13 July 2008 - 12:52 AM

Yeah, the downside to the mask was that it couldn't be removed and you couldn't have a helmet 'cause of that.

However, with the right combination of clothing, you could make your character into a very convincing new incarnation of Jack of Blades.

Like this, from an old game of mine.


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