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@  Sjogre : (16 November 2019 - 10:46 PM)

Okay, that actually sounds pretty fun.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 12:49 PM)

It was set in the forties, featured Nazi's as the villains and had Kiko fight mostly Ice Age animals and a mythical dragon that now ruled the island guarding Kongs treasure.

@  Paladin : (15 November 2019 - 11:37 AM)

and it was ALSO eleven hours long.

@  Maximus Ambus : (15 November 2019 - 10:55 AM)

In a alternate reality Peter Jackson made Son of Kong.

@  wonko the sane? : (15 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

To be fair to boba: everyone else to go into the sarlacc was a sacrifice. Stripped almost naked and tossed, and didn't have body armor, a jetpack and a weapon.

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 November 2019 - 06:54 AM)

Nah, he just has to keep up his plot insurance payments so he can shoot his way out of the Sarlacc again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 November 2019 - 02:59 AM)

Funny, but everyone knows he bounty hunts for Jabba Hutt to finance his 'Vette.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (15 November 2019 - 02:54 AM)

Okay.. Not sure why.. but streaming is harder than jsut playing the game.. even though that's pretty much what I was doing.

@  Xellos : (14 November 2019 - 06:47 PM)

What type of vehicle does Boba Fett use for time travel? A Man-DeLorean.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 03:55 PM)

Admittedly, it's been a long time since I've been to a walk-in clinic, as I tend not to get sick (and the one time I do every 4-5 years, I prefer just riding it out at home), but the last time I went I'm pretty sure you could just show up, no appointment. It may be different in Quebec,though

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:36 PM)

One thing to note about health insurance in Germany is that we have a two-class system: mandatory health insurance is basically the economy class, while private health insurance is the business class.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:32 PM)

My local doctor is actually a shared office with several doctors where you will get randomly assigned to one of the doctors available that day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:30 PM)

Also, employers are required by law to cover part of their employees' health insurance fees, so I only have to pay my part.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 02:28 PM)

Basic examinations and sick notes (known as "work-inability certificates" in Germany) for the employer are covered by our health insurances by default.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 November 2019 - 12:02 PM)

Around here, we can go to a walk-in clinic whenever, but might have to wait in the queue until there's a doctor available, which can take hours on a busy day. And then hope our insurance will cover anything.

@  wonko the sane? : (14 November 2019 - 07:38 AM)

There actually are a good number of clinics around here: but the walk ins require an appointment (what?) and are only done once a week. IF you can get an appointment, you see a doctor usually within 40 minutes, but good luck getting the appointment.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

Depending on the day.

@  Nevermore : (14 November 2019 - 03:35 AM)

We have family doctors (called "house doctors") with regular office hours where you may need an hour or two of waiting time.

@  TM2-Megatron : (14 November 2019 - 12:50 AM)

Two weeks? That seems a little long; are there not a lot of walk-in clinics around you?

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:09 AM

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By Ben Silverman

Think you paid too much for your Playstation 3? Don't expect any sympathy from Sony.

In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

Investors have reason to sweat. In a statement, Sony claimed "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." They went on to note that they've invested a great deal of money into R&D for the console, a sum they might not be able to recoup if the PS3 "fails to achieve such favorable market penetration."

Sony fanboys should take heart, however. Losing money on hardware is relatively common in the video game biz, as companies routinely lower prices to sell more units and thus stimulate software sales. Sony's game division saw a 26% sales spike last quarter, a trend they expect will continue on the strength of strong exclusives like the recently released Metal Gear Solid 4 and the upcoming sequel Resistance 2.

But will it be enough?

Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.

Edited by Jealous Beauty, 02 July 2008 - 01:10 AM.


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:23 AM

They should have thought ahead instead of rush it out like Microsoft. Thing are about to get a whole lot worse for them since people will barely be able to pay the fuel bill one will run up let alone the price one costs.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:57 AM

Sony doesn't care.

The main point of the PS3 was getting Blu-ray players in homes.

Which they've done.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:00 AM

That's why I can't wait to see Blu-ray tank and streaming movies to take over.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:09 AM

You'll be waiting awhile.

They'll have to pry my physical media from my cold dead hands.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:57 AM

well, before that, they'll have to get fios or another equivalent into American homes.

streaming media is great, but not everyone has that bandwidth.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:18 AM

not to mention this is sony were talking about. they /have/ a film studio with some big films under their belt. If streaming takes over they will be quick to have it ready for the PS3.

Really huge losses arnt something Sony or MS are strangers too. MS reportedly lost over a billion every year on the original Xbox, and MS lost 1.67 just LAUNCHING the 360. And if you think that cost has gone down in light of the massive number of failing 360s that they have had to repair and replace, so many that they have run out of "coffins" several times over the consoles lifetime. They take a loss at the retail counter, and then more losses repairing... I wouldnt be at all surprised if they passed the 3 billion mark a while ago.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:07 AM

They got Blu-Ray's foot in the door. Regardless of how their game console does, that will be worth the loss in the long run.

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.

I'm not sure why you think the Roku has anything to do with Blu-Ray. It's like saying you wish Tivo killed DVD. It's apples and bacon. You're talking about the death of physical media, a completely separate issue to the death of an HD format. Blu-Ray could only be beat by Roku if Roku first killed DVD. Currently it's not even an HD solution, as the download bandwidth needed for such would be enough to cap out say, a month's bandwidth with any ISP in my town to get equivalent quality, not to mention the fact that physical media isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Way to go on ITunes turning the music industry upside down, but this isn't the music industry, and people don't need to keep their movie collection in their car.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:52 AM

QUOTE(aDam @ Jul 2 2008, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They got Blu-Ray's foot in the door. Regardless of how their game console does, that will be worth the loss in the long run.

While I can agree with the sentiment, surely there was an easier and more cost effective way of getting blue ray into peoples homes. A way that didn't involve killing a respected and liked game machine series.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Mario and Master Chief seen hi-fiving.

By Ben Silverman

Think you paid too much for your Playstation 3? Don't expect any sympathy from Sony.

In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

Investors have reason to sweat. In a statement, Sony claimed "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." They went on to note that they've invested a great deal of money into R&D for the console, a sum they might not be able to recoup if the PS3 "fails to achieve such favorable market penetration."

Sony fanboys should take heart, however. Losing money on hardware is relatively common in the video game biz, as companies routinely lower prices to sell more units and thus stimulate software sales. Sony's game division saw a 26% sales spike last quarter, a trend they expect will continue on the strength of strong exclusives like the recently released Metal Gear Solid 4 and the upcoming sequel Resistance 2.

But will it be enough?

Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.


That player looks pretty neat, but until they put out HD material, it won't even compete with BD. Also, when it does get HD material, it most likely will be a highly compressed 720p HD signal, more commonly referred to as HD-Lite.


QUOTE(MrBlud @ Jul 2 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sony doesn't care.

The main point of the PS3 was getting Blu-ray players in homes.

Which they've done.


Pretty much. They use the Playstation name to get a really expensive player into your home. However, it's function as a x264 player really could hurt their BD sales in the long run.

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's why I can't wait to see Blu-ray tank and streaming movies to take over.


Not going to happen. People who want HD material want to own it and have it available at a moment's notice without having to rent it again from the download service. Physical Mediums are always going to be around in some fashion or another.

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well, before that, they'll have to get fios or another equivalent into American homes.

streaming media is great, but not everyone has that bandwidth.


True. My broadband services couldn't handle it right now unless I got the most expensive plan available to me, and even then, I doubt that that many people could do it without "Clogging the Tubes" so to speak.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:03 PM

Personally, I think the biggest obstacle that blu-ray DVD has is the current DVD. Personally, I think normal DVDs have high enough quality video that I am not really interested at all in upgrading. Maybe if I got a much bigger TV, but not for a long time.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:31 PM

Same here, standard def's fine as it is for me too.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:51 PM

I think you guys are seriously overestimating the demand for high-def media. I know too many people who have HDTVs and use basic DVD players and view their cable in standard-def 480i yet think they're getting an HD picture. They just don't understand what's so great about Blu-ray that could justify the purchase of a new player and new copies of their favorite movies.

This isn't like the transition from VHS to DVD.

And let's face it: it's getting so bad that people have to choose between spending their money on a Starbucks latte or a gallon of gasoline. Blu-ray could easily fall victim to the worsening economy and end up little more than a niche format for AVphiles.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:02 PM

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I was under the impression that this was business as usual in the console market, and that they try to make it up over the years through game sales and licensings and such. The chipsets eventually get cheaper as time goes on, but still.

Biggest problem with PS3 is a shortage of good exclusives. Most of the good stuff you can grab on the 360, and when that system is cheaper, people tend to go that route. But whatever. Blu Ray winning the HD war undoubtably would make it all worth it in some executive's eyes.



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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you guys are seriously overestimating the demand for high-def media. I know too many people who have HDTVs and use basic DVD players and view their cable in standard-def 480i yet think they're getting an HD picture. They just don't understand what's so great about Blu-ray that could justify the purchase of a new player and new copies of their favorite movies.

This isn't like the transition from VHS to DVD.

And let's face it: it's getting so bad that people have to choose between spending their money on a Starbucks latte or a gallon of gasoline. Blu-ray could easily fall victim to the worsening economy and end up little more than a niche format for AVphiles.


It is quite possible that BD may price itself out of the market, but lately they have been doing better about media prices.

I would argue that even the best DVD upscaled doesn't look anywhere near as good as a HD DVD or a BD disk unless it is a really bad transfer/encode/master. Once you get people watching True HD material, they will stop buying DVDs.



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Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.


I was under the impression that this was business as usual in the console market, and that they try to make it up over the years through game sales and licensings and such. The chipsets eventually get cheaper as time goes on, but still.

Biggest problem with PS3 is a shortage of good exclusives. Most of the good stuff you can grab on the 360, and when that system is cheaper, people tend to go that route. But whatever. Blu Ray winning the HD war undoubtably would make it all worth it in some executive's eyes.


They were expecting a bigger install base for their system I bet. However, their price tag really hurts their sales. Nowadays, even the cheaper model is $400, when the Premium 360 will be dropping down to $300 next Sunday. They really need to get some more of their exclusives out to drive more interest.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:29 PM

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I would argue that even the best DVD upscaled doesn't look anywhere near as good as a HD DVD or a BD disk unless it is a really bad transfer/encode/master. Once you get people watching True HD material, they will stop buying DVDs.

Very true. I walked by the electronics department of some store or another a while ago, and they were playing a Blu-Ray disc on a true HDTV (I think the movie was Pirates of the Carribean 3). I swear, I could hear a chorus of angels singing around me as I gazed on it -- what a thing of beauty. I haven't got the $$$ for HD, but I do appreciate it...
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:02 PM

Appreciating it and actually buying it are two different things. I'd like to have a Blu-ray drive, but I want a lot of other things first. It just isn't a priority and I consider myself part of their target audience (being that I actually know what 1080p means).

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:31 PM

Eh.

I buy game systems for games.


Besides, aren't pretty much all consoles ever made run at a loss? It's like, why they put such major investments in/

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:43 PM

I don't think Nintendo's ever (intentionally, at least) sold any of their systems for a loss.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, Blu-Ray on a 120mhz TV is literally like looking out a window at the action.

Can't afford it either but I want one really, really, bad.

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