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@  Bass X0 : (25 May 2020 - 01:28 AM)

Already seen it online.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:42 PM)

Who's excited for tomorrow? The only thing that makes Monday worth it is the Cyberverse episodes .-.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 May 2020 - 12:30 PM)

Welcome. I just came into that trick myself recently, so happy to share.

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 12:05 PM)

Thanks, wonko the sane? for the tip with the cloning. That helped a lot!

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 12:02 PM)

Heheh.... yes... I don't think a sniper would be very good at making a vaccine... 0.0

@  Nevermore : (24 May 2020 - 11:48 AM)

All right! Cloning my old HHD to an SSD and then swapping out the drive was successful, it would appear. Finally.

@  Bass X0 : (24 May 2020 - 11:30 AM)

Scientist Perceptor is. Sniper Perceptor less so.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:51 AM)

Perceptor would be more responsible.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 10:48 AM)

Oof x~x

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 10:45 AM)

He'd cure the virus, but he'd probably commit at least two crimes against nature and weaponize a third in the process.

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 09:39 AM)

'Horrible consequences' would most likely happen with Brainstorm...

@  -Wildstrike- : (24 May 2020 - 08:16 AM)

Totally. And Percy's not even human. XD

@  TheMightyMol... : (24 May 2020 - 06:50 AM)

Can't do much worse than our current government, I say go for it.

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 10:13 PM)

Little do we realize that the Perceptor in question is the Mini-Con combiner. :p

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

He would!!!

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 10:11 PM)

Horrible consequences? I... Doubt that would happen.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:55 PM)

Even if he would come up with the answer by tomorrow.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 May 2020 - 09:54 PM)

I'd rather not deal with the horrible but unintended consequences of that.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 09:52 PM)

Lets let Perceptor make a vaccine for COVID-19. Who agrees with me :)

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 08:43 PM)

I'll take your word for it. =D

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:42 PM)

Although the TV edits of Robocop do contain some hilarity

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 May 2020 - 08:41 PM)

I can't think of any instance where sanitizing a film is a good thing.

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 06:42 PM)

.... and thats a good thing? :doh

@  Steevy Maximus : (23 May 2020 - 06:39 PM)

I'm watching Predator on Starz! That means it has all the language and gore uncensored!

@  Sabrblade : (23 May 2020 - 04:23 PM)

*grabs popcorn*

@  -Wildstrike- : (23 May 2020 - 12:49 PM)

*watching everyone argue* O^O

@  fourteenwings : (23 May 2020 - 10:22 AM)

By that logic we might as well just get rid of the Shoutbox wholesale! I'd rather have like 3 or 4 things stuck for a week or so than one person dominating the whole thing (no offense Nevermore).

@  PlutoniumBoss : (23 May 2020 - 03:30 AM)

I would argue that "full of something one doesn't read" and "devoid of reading material" are functionally identical at the end-user level. :D

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:58 PM)

If it emptied, it would become empty.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 07:53 PM)

It would be the same effect as if the shoutbox simply emptied once or twice a week.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (22 May 2020 - 07:27 PM)

I don't see how having walls of the same guy on top whenever I go to any page on this site is "refreshing".

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 06:10 PM)

I don't know, I find the occasional flushing of the box to be refreshing.

@  Telly : (22 May 2020 - 04:20 PM)

but its gets annoying seeing a wall of text from him that takes up most of the shoutbox

@  PlutoniumBoss : (22 May 2020 - 03:53 PM)

Eh, that's just Nevermore.

@  fourteenwings : (22 May 2020 - 12:11 AM)

@Nevermore: Good rule of thumb is if you feel like you need not just multiple statements but also multiple shouts to make a point, best just make a thread.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 05:36 PM)

Dude, do you just, not know when to stop?

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:35 PM)

Instead of "I have only ten hours to get all my stuff from place A to place B", it's more like "I temporarily stored 90% of my stuff in easily accessible place C in my spare time, so now I have ten hours to get the remaining 10% of my stuff over to the new place before permanently saying goodbye to the old place".

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 PM)

At these point you two are just repeating what you already said.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:32 PM)

Again using my "moving apartments" analogy. If you can store the stuff you don't immediately need for everyday life somewhere else, it reduces the critical time of permanently switching your primary base of residence over to the new place because there's less stuff to move when the time comes.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:30 PM)

Well, my main point is that it will speed up the system migration so I have A) less system downtime because there are fewer files to transfer before the new system can be up and running and B) it reduces the risk of something going wrong during the system migration.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 May 2020 - 06:19 AM)

If your primary is getting cleaned up anyway cause you were backing stuff up, then yeah, no reason not to. But largely, it's not a necessary step.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:33 AM)

It's like you find out that there's a fire going to break out in the house you live in soon, so you find a new place, get your entire Transformers collection into safe storage, and now all that's left are the empty cabinets which you intend to move over to your new place soon. If the fire breaks out before then, sure, you'd need to get new cabinets, but your toys are already out of the danger zone.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:27 AM)

At this point, I'm in a "if the old system crashed before the new drive arrives, it will be slightly annoying, not a complete disaster" mood.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2020 - 03:26 AM)

I've mostly just backed up my personal files and stuff on the external hard drive. The existing Windows installment is supposed to be directly cloned to the new drive once it arrives.

@  Hg Dragon : (21 May 2020 - 01:44 AM)

Who else has ever been so out of it that you've gotten into the shower with your glasses on?

@  Echowarrior : (20 May 2020 - 11:08 PM)

Nope. We've been forced to go with Eclipse. It sucks, and I will continue to call the people in charge of the website fascists until they give me reason to do otherwise.

@  CORVUS : (20 May 2020 - 10:20 PM)

Yeah, I'm not a fan of the new layout either. Fortunately you can stay with the old one though.

@  Liege : (20 May 2020 - 08:57 PM)

So now it matches 90% of the content.

@  Trpodeca : (20 May 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Wow the new Deviantart layout is terrible.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 May 2020 - 10:39 AM)

Are you referring to cloning your drive to install into your computer as the replacement, or are you creating an image to restore from should something unforseen occur?


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#1 Pale Rider

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:09 AM

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By Ben Silverman

Think you paid too much for your Playstation 3? Don't expect any sympathy from Sony.

In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

Investors have reason to sweat. In a statement, Sony claimed "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." They went on to note that they've invested a great deal of money into R&D for the console, a sum they might not be able to recoup if the PS3 "fails to achieve such favorable market penetration."

Sony fanboys should take heart, however. Losing money on hardware is relatively common in the video game biz, as companies routinely lower prices to sell more units and thus stimulate software sales. Sony's game division saw a 26% sales spike last quarter, a trend they expect will continue on the strength of strong exclusives like the recently released Metal Gear Solid 4 and the upcoming sequel Resistance 2.

But will it be enough?

Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.

Edited by Jealous Beauty, 02 July 2008 - 01:10 AM.


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:23 AM

They should have thought ahead instead of rush it out like Microsoft. Thing are about to get a whole lot worse for them since people will barely be able to pay the fuel bill one will run up let alone the price one costs.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:57 AM

Sony doesn't care.

The main point of the PS3 was getting Blu-ray players in homes.

Which they've done.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:00 AM

That's why I can't wait to see Blu-ray tank and streaming movies to take over.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:09 AM

You'll be waiting awhile.

They'll have to pry my physical media from my cold dead hands.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:57 AM

well, before that, they'll have to get fios or another equivalent into American homes.

streaming media is great, but not everyone has that bandwidth.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:18 AM

not to mention this is sony were talking about. they /have/ a film studio with some big films under their belt. If streaming takes over they will be quick to have it ready for the PS3.

Really huge losses arnt something Sony or MS are strangers too. MS reportedly lost over a billion every year on the original Xbox, and MS lost 1.67 just LAUNCHING the 360. And if you think that cost has gone down in light of the massive number of failing 360s that they have had to repair and replace, so many that they have run out of "coffins" several times over the consoles lifetime. They take a loss at the retail counter, and then more losses repairing... I wouldnt be at all surprised if they passed the 3 billion mark a while ago.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:07 AM

They got Blu-Ray's foot in the door. Regardless of how their game console does, that will be worth the loss in the long run.

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.

I'm not sure why you think the Roku has anything to do with Blu-Ray. It's like saying you wish Tivo killed DVD. It's apples and bacon. You're talking about the death of physical media, a completely separate issue to the death of an HD format. Blu-Ray could only be beat by Roku if Roku first killed DVD. Currently it's not even an HD solution, as the download bandwidth needed for such would be enough to cap out say, a month's bandwidth with any ISP in my town to get equivalent quality, not to mention the fact that physical media isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Way to go on ITunes turning the music industry upside down, but this isn't the music industry, and people don't need to keep their movie collection in their car.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:52 AM

QUOTE(aDam @ Jul 2 2008, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They got Blu-Ray's foot in the door. Regardless of how their game console does, that will be worth the loss in the long run.

While I can agree with the sentiment, surely there was an easier and more cost effective way of getting blue ray into peoples homes. A way that didn't involve killing a respected and liked game machine series.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Mario and Master Chief seen hi-fiving.

By Ben Silverman

Think you paid too much for your Playstation 3? Don't expect any sympathy from Sony.

In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

Investors have reason to sweat. In a statement, Sony claimed "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." They went on to note that they've invested a great deal of money into R&D for the console, a sum they might not be able to recoup if the PS3 "fails to achieve such favorable market penetration."

Sony fanboys should take heart, however. Losing money on hardware is relatively common in the video game biz, as companies routinely lower prices to sell more units and thus stimulate software sales. Sony's game division saw a 26% sales spike last quarter, a trend they expect will continue on the strength of strong exclusives like the recently released Metal Gear Solid 4 and the upcoming sequel Resistance 2.

But will it be enough?

Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.


That player looks pretty neat, but until they put out HD material, it won't even compete with BD. Also, when it does get HD material, it most likely will be a highly compressed 720p HD signal, more commonly referred to as HD-Lite.


QUOTE(MrBlud @ Jul 2 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sony doesn't care.

The main point of the PS3 was getting Blu-ray players in homes.

Which they've done.


Pretty much. They use the Playstation name to get a really expensive player into your home. However, it's function as a x264 player really could hurt their BD sales in the long run.

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's why I can't wait to see Blu-ray tank and streaming movies to take over.


Not going to happen. People who want HD material want to own it and have it available at a moment's notice without having to rent it again from the download service. Physical Mediums are always going to be around in some fashion or another.

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well, before that, they'll have to get fios or another equivalent into American homes.

streaming media is great, but not everyone has that bandwidth.


True. My broadband services couldn't handle it right now unless I got the most expensive plan available to me, and even then, I doubt that that many people could do it without "Clogging the Tubes" so to speak.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:03 PM

Personally, I think the biggest obstacle that blu-ray DVD has is the current DVD. Personally, I think normal DVDs have high enough quality video that I am not really interested at all in upgrading. Maybe if I got a much bigger TV, but not for a long time.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:31 PM

Same here, standard def's fine as it is for me too.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:51 PM

I think you guys are seriously overestimating the demand for high-def media. I know too many people who have HDTVs and use basic DVD players and view their cable in standard-def 480i yet think they're getting an HD picture. They just don't understand what's so great about Blu-ray that could justify the purchase of a new player and new copies of their favorite movies.

This isn't like the transition from VHS to DVD.

And let's face it: it's getting so bad that people have to choose between spending their money on a Starbucks latte or a gallon of gasoline. Blu-ray could easily fall victim to the worsening economy and end up little more than a niche format for AVphiles.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:02 PM

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I was under the impression that this was business as usual in the console market, and that they try to make it up over the years through game sales and licensings and such. The chipsets eventually get cheaper as time goes on, but still.

Biggest problem with PS3 is a shortage of good exclusives. Most of the good stuff you can grab on the 360, and when that system is cheaper, people tend to go that route. But whatever. Blu Ray winning the HD war undoubtably would make it all worth it in some executive's eyes.



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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:25 PM

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you guys are seriously overestimating the demand for high-def media. I know too many people who have HDTVs and use basic DVD players and view their cable in standard-def 480i yet think they're getting an HD picture. They just don't understand what's so great about Blu-ray that could justify the purchase of a new player and new copies of their favorite movies.

This isn't like the transition from VHS to DVD.

And let's face it: it's getting so bad that people have to choose between spending their money on a Starbucks latte or a gallon of gasoline. Blu-ray could easily fall victim to the worsening economy and end up little more than a niche format for AVphiles.


It is quite possible that BD may price itself out of the market, but lately they have been doing better about media prices.

I would argue that even the best DVD upscaled doesn't look anywhere near as good as a HD DVD or a BD disk unless it is a really bad transfer/encode/master. Once you get people watching True HD material, they will stop buying DVDs.



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Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.


I was under the impression that this was business as usual in the console market, and that they try to make it up over the years through game sales and licensings and such. The chipsets eventually get cheaper as time goes on, but still.

Biggest problem with PS3 is a shortage of good exclusives. Most of the good stuff you can grab on the 360, and when that system is cheaper, people tend to go that route. But whatever. Blu Ray winning the HD war undoubtably would make it all worth it in some executive's eyes.


They were expecting a bigger install base for their system I bet. However, their price tag really hurts their sales. Nowadays, even the cheaper model is $400, when the Premium 360 will be dropping down to $300 next Sunday. They really need to get some more of their exclusives out to drive more interest.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:29 PM

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I would argue that even the best DVD upscaled doesn't look anywhere near as good as a HD DVD or a BD disk unless it is a really bad transfer/encode/master. Once you get people watching True HD material, they will stop buying DVDs.

Very true. I walked by the electronics department of some store or another a while ago, and they were playing a Blu-Ray disc on a true HDTV (I think the movie was Pirates of the Carribean 3). I swear, I could hear a chorus of angels singing around me as I gazed on it -- what a thing of beauty. I haven't got the $$$ for HD, but I do appreciate it...
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:02 PM

Appreciating it and actually buying it are two different things. I'd like to have a Blu-ray drive, but I want a lot of other things first. It just isn't a priority and I consider myself part of their target audience (being that I actually know what 1080p means).

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:31 PM

Eh.

I buy game systems for games.


Besides, aren't pretty much all consoles ever made run at a loss? It's like, why they put such major investments in/

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:43 PM

I don't think Nintendo's ever (intentionally, at least) sold any of their systems for a loss.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, Blu-Ray on a 120mhz TV is literally like looking out a window at the action.

Can't afford it either but I want one really, really, bad.

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