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@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:09 AM

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By Ben Silverman

Think you paid too much for your Playstation 3? Don't expect any sympathy from Sony.

In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

Investors have reason to sweat. In a statement, Sony claimed "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." They went on to note that they've invested a great deal of money into R&D for the console, a sum they might not be able to recoup if the PS3 "fails to achieve such favorable market penetration."

Sony fanboys should take heart, however. Losing money on hardware is relatively common in the video game biz, as companies routinely lower prices to sell more units and thus stimulate software sales. Sony's game division saw a 26% sales spike last quarter, a trend they expect will continue on the strength of strong exclusives like the recently released Metal Gear Solid 4 and the upcoming sequel Resistance 2.

But will it be enough?

Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.

Edited by Jealous Beauty, 02 July 2008 - 01:10 AM.


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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:23 AM

They should have thought ahead instead of rush it out like Microsoft. Thing are about to get a whole lot worse for them since people will barely be able to pay the fuel bill one will run up let alone the price one costs.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:57 AM

Sony doesn't care.

The main point of the PS3 was getting Blu-ray players in homes.

Which they've done.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:00 AM

That's why I can't wait to see Blu-ray tank and streaming movies to take over.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:09 AM

You'll be waiting awhile.

They'll have to pry my physical media from my cold dead hands.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:57 AM

well, before that, they'll have to get fios or another equivalent into American homes.

streaming media is great, but not everyone has that bandwidth.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:18 AM

not to mention this is sony were talking about. they /have/ a film studio with some big films under their belt. If streaming takes over they will be quick to have it ready for the PS3.

Really huge losses arnt something Sony or MS are strangers too. MS reportedly lost over a billion every year on the original Xbox, and MS lost 1.67 just LAUNCHING the 360. And if you think that cost has gone down in light of the massive number of failing 360s that they have had to repair and replace, so many that they have run out of "coffins" several times over the consoles lifetime. They take a loss at the retail counter, and then more losses repairing... I wouldnt be at all surprised if they passed the 3 billion mark a while ago.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 05:07 AM

They got Blu-Ray's foot in the door. Regardless of how their game console does, that will be worth the loss in the long run.

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 02:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.

I'm not sure why you think the Roku has anything to do with Blu-Ray. It's like saying you wish Tivo killed DVD. It's apples and bacon. You're talking about the death of physical media, a completely separate issue to the death of an HD format. Blu-Ray could only be beat by Roku if Roku first killed DVD. Currently it's not even an HD solution, as the download bandwidth needed for such would be enough to cap out say, a month's bandwidth with any ISP in my town to get equivalent quality, not to mention the fact that physical media isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Way to go on ITunes turning the music industry upside down, but this isn't the music industry, and people don't need to keep their movie collection in their car.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:52 AM

QUOTE(aDam @ Jul 2 2008, 06:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They got Blu-Ray's foot in the door. Regardless of how their game console does, that will be worth the loss in the long run.

While I can agree with the sentiment, surely there was an easier and more cost effective way of getting blue ray into peoples homes. A way that didn't involve killing a respected and liked game machine series.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 08:53 AM

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Mario and Master Chief seen hi-fiving.

By Ben Silverman

Think you paid too much for your Playstation 3? Don't expect any sympathy from Sony.

In the company's fiscal 2008 annual report, Sony revealed that they've now lost roughly $3.3 billion (that's billion with a B) on the Playstation 3 since its launch. That breaks down to $2.16 billion in 2007, followed by a notably smaller but equally daunting $1.16 billion loss in 2008.

The reason? Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.

Investors have reason to sweat. In a statement, Sony claimed "the large-scale investment required during the development and introductory period of a new gaming platform may not be fully recovered." They went on to note that they've invested a great deal of money into R&D for the console, a sum they might not be able to recoup if the PS3 "fails to achieve such favorable market penetration."

Sony fanboys should take heart, however. Losing money on hardware is relatively common in the video game biz, as companies routinely lower prices to sell more units and thus stimulate software sales. Sony's game division saw a 26% sales spike last quarter, a trend they expect will continue on the strength of strong exclusives like the recently released Metal Gear Solid 4 and the upcoming sequel Resistance 2.

But will it be enough?

Here's to hoping that the Roku (or something like it) steals the thunder from Blu-ray as cash-strapped consumers look for low-cost alternatives on which to spend their entertainment dollars.


That player looks pretty neat, but until they put out HD material, it won't even compete with BD. Also, when it does get HD material, it most likely will be a highly compressed 720p HD signal, more commonly referred to as HD-Lite.


QUOTE(MrBlud @ Jul 2 2008, 01:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sony doesn't care.

The main point of the PS3 was getting Blu-ray players in homes.

Which they've done.


Pretty much. They use the Playstation name to get a really expensive player into your home. However, it's function as a x264 player really could hurt their BD sales in the long run.

QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 02:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's why I can't wait to see Blu-ray tank and streaming movies to take over.


Not going to happen. People who want HD material want to own it and have it available at a moment's notice without having to rent it again from the download service. Physical Mediums are always going to be around in some fashion or another.

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well, before that, they'll have to get fios or another equivalent into American homes.

streaming media is great, but not everyone has that bandwidth.


True. My broadband services couldn't handle it right now unless I got the most expensive plan available to me, and even then, I doubt that that many people could do it without "Clogging the Tubes" so to speak.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:03 PM

Personally, I think the biggest obstacle that blu-ray DVD has is the current DVD. Personally, I think normal DVDs have high enough quality video that I am not really interested at all in upgrading. Maybe if I got a much bigger TV, but not for a long time.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:31 PM

Same here, standard def's fine as it is for me too.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 12:51 PM

I think you guys are seriously overestimating the demand for high-def media. I know too many people who have HDTVs and use basic DVD players and view their cable in standard-def 480i yet think they're getting an HD picture. They just don't understand what's so great about Blu-ray that could justify the purchase of a new player and new copies of their favorite movies.

This isn't like the transition from VHS to DVD.

And let's face it: it's getting so bad that people have to choose between spending their money on a Starbucks latte or a gallon of gasoline. Blu-ray could easily fall victim to the worsening economy and end up little more than a niche format for AVphiles.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:02 PM

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I was under the impression that this was business as usual in the console market, and that they try to make it up over the years through game sales and licensings and such. The chipsets eventually get cheaper as time goes on, but still.

Biggest problem with PS3 is a shortage of good exclusives. Most of the good stuff you can grab on the 360, and when that system is cheaper, people tend to go that route. But whatever. Blu Ray winning the HD war undoubtably would make it all worth it in some executive's eyes.



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QUOTE(Jealous Beauty @ Jul 2 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think you guys are seriously overestimating the demand for high-def media. I know too many people who have HDTVs and use basic DVD players and view their cable in standard-def 480i yet think they're getting an HD picture. They just don't understand what's so great about Blu-ray that could justify the purchase of a new player and new copies of their favorite movies.

This isn't like the transition from VHS to DVD.

And let's face it: it's getting so bad that people have to choose between spending their money on a Starbucks latte or a gallon of gasoline. Blu-ray could easily fall victim to the worsening economy and end up little more than a niche format for AVphiles.


It is quite possible that BD may price itself out of the market, but lately they have been doing better about media prices.

I would argue that even the best DVD upscaled doesn't look anywhere near as good as a HD DVD or a BD disk unless it is a really bad transfer/encode/master. Once you get people watching True HD material, they will stop buying DVDs.



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Pricing the console below its production cost. That's right - that hefty $599 you paid for the PS3 back when it first launched was significantly cheaper than the cost of producing it in the first place, and while the retail price has come down some, the losses keep piling up.


I was under the impression that this was business as usual in the console market, and that they try to make it up over the years through game sales and licensings and such. The chipsets eventually get cheaper as time goes on, but still.

Biggest problem with PS3 is a shortage of good exclusives. Most of the good stuff you can grab on the 360, and when that system is cheaper, people tend to go that route. But whatever. Blu Ray winning the HD war undoubtably would make it all worth it in some executive's eyes.


They were expecting a bigger install base for their system I bet. However, their price tag really hurts their sales. Nowadays, even the cheaper model is $400, when the Premium 360 will be dropping down to $300 next Sunday. They really need to get some more of their exclusives out to drive more interest.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 02:29 PM

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I would argue that even the best DVD upscaled doesn't look anywhere near as good as a HD DVD or a BD disk unless it is a really bad transfer/encode/master. Once you get people watching True HD material, they will stop buying DVDs.

Very true. I walked by the electronics department of some store or another a while ago, and they were playing a Blu-Ray disc on a true HDTV (I think the movie was Pirates of the Carribean 3). I swear, I could hear a chorus of angels singing around me as I gazed on it -- what a thing of beauty. I haven't got the $$$ for HD, but I do appreciate it...
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 03:02 PM

Appreciating it and actually buying it are two different things. I'd like to have a Blu-ray drive, but I want a lot of other things first. It just isn't a priority and I consider myself part of their target audience (being that I actually know what 1080p means).

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:31 PM

Eh.

I buy game systems for games.


Besides, aren't pretty much all consoles ever made run at a loss? It's like, why they put such major investments in/

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:43 PM

I don't think Nintendo's ever (intentionally, at least) sold any of their systems for a loss.
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Posted 02 July 2008 - 04:52 PM

Yeah, Blu-Ray on a 120mhz TV is literally like looking out a window at the action.

Can't afford it either but I want one really, really, bad.

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