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@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?


Michael Turner has died.


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#21 Internet Jesus

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 10:42 PM

That said, I will never, EVER sell my Turner-drawn Witchblade stuff.

But in the current, digitized world, trivial information is accumulating every second, preserved in all its triteness. Never fading, always accessible. Rumors about petty issues, misinterpretations, slander... All this junk data preserved in an unfiltered state, growing at an alarming rate. It will only slow down social progress, reduce the rate of evolution. You seem to think that our plan is one of censorship. What we propose to do is not to control content, but to create context.


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Posted 08 July 2008 - 04:51 AM

So what about his style do people love so much?
Woooo!

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 07:04 AM

I think the better question would be "What about his art style do people HATE so much".

I always see people bag on him, even in threads announcing his passing, I hear people say "I was never a fan, but".

WHY NOT?, what didn't appeal to you?

I can't see his style being any different than any of the other new guard artists.

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 07:55 AM

QUOTE(Mr.Blisterfists @ Jul 8 2008, 08:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the better question would be "What about his art style do people HATE so much".

I always see people bag on him, even in threads announcing his passing, I hear people say "I was never a fan, but".

WHY NOT?, what didn't appeal to you?

I can't see his style being any different than any of the other new guard artists.

Whe I explain to people why I dislike his work so much, they frown at me for being so insensitive.
Short answer is? I dont care for indistinguishable inhuman looking girls who look like they have eating disorders, and gentlemen who look like their faces were narrowed in a vice, and all girls having hair that looks like a mess of seaweed.
Now, Turner's artwork was always a lot better in images where characters aren't standing straight up - most of his cover to Uncanny X-Men #500 looked really good in pencils (although the inked version loses a lot of this). Ultimate X-Men #75's cover was nice (Aside from the girls).
I have no issues with him as a person, and I'm amazed how many other artists and writers have been having articles on the big websites where they say how great a guy he was.
Woooo!

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Posted 08 July 2008 - 11:31 PM

I think his Titans #1 cover may be one of my top five covers ever.

I haven't seen too much of his interior work (at least not since I sold my Witchblade Trade), to say whether or not I like him as an interior artist. but as a cover artist, he was more than capable.

and for the record, my #1 cover is and always shall be the Neal Adams cover to Green Lantern/Green Arrow #85



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Posted 09 July 2008 - 10:14 AM

QUOTE(Mr.Blisterfists @ Jul 8 2008, 11:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think his Titans #1 cover may be one of my top five covers ever.
and for the record, my #1 cover is and always shall be the Neal Adams cover to Green Lantern/Green Arrow #85



Lulz.

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 10:21 AM

What's so funny?

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 10:29 AM

We're talking about the one with Speedy, right?

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 11:30 AM

Yup.

I can understand how it could be seen as funny, but it's still a great cover.

it's amazing just how much is ON that cover, but Adams' understanding of flow, and direction make you look at what he WANTS you to look at.

Edited by Mr.Blisterfists, 09 July 2008 - 11:31 AM.


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Posted 09 July 2008 - 01:30 PM

Oh, no doubt. Neal Adams was a great artist. It's just everytime I see that cover, I think of Superdickery. I think the B&W Neal Adams Batman statue could've looked better though.

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 03:48 PM

Well, it was sculpted by his son, who IS a great artist in his own right.

is that B&W Statue out yet?, it's one of the few I was interested in.

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 04:09 PM

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I think the better question would be "What about his art style do people HATE so much".

I always see people bag on him, even in threads announcing his passing, I hear people say "I was never a fan, but".

WHY NOT?, what didn't appeal to you?

I can't see his style being any different than any of the other new guard artists.


Never was really bothered by his art but MAN did they make some ugly, ugly figures off it.

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Posted 09 July 2008 - 04:13 PM

no doubt.

I'm gonna try to keep this on topic, I'll start a 'favorite covers' thread elsewhere.

I don't think there's a single Turner Inspired figure I like, save for the first and second wave of MAC Witchblade figures.

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Posted 10 July 2008 - 12:03 AM

Why do I like MTs work there is nothing I dont like about it
His interers, his characters ,his tech, ideas on color, covers
I never had a single issue understanding what was going on even when the action got going

I am going to miss him as an artest

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