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@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

@  Xero Prime : (15 May 2021 - 09:09 PM)

English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 08:07 PM)

English needs to revive book in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 04:00 PM)

English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 03:42 PM)

English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

@  CORVUS : (15 May 2021 - 02:21 PM)

English needs to revive Morn in everyday text

@  Nevermore : (15 May 2021 - 12:38 PM)

English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 09:46 AM)

English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

@  Bass X0 : (15 May 2021 - 09:45 AM)

English needs to revive Gort in everyday text

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 May 2021 - 06:52 AM)

English needs to revive bort in everyday text

@  Telly : (15 May 2021 - 01:12 AM)

English needs to revive bork in everyday text

@  NovaSaber : (15 May 2021 - 12:15 AM)

English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (14 May 2021 - 09:34 PM)

English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 May 2021 - 09:26 PM)

English needs to revive porn in everyday text.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 May 2021 - 09:10 PM)

English needs to revive Ģorn in everyday text.

@  Patch : (14 May 2021 - 05:53 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (14 May 2021 - 06:09 AM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:58 AM)

Generations Nightbeat never really scratched that itch sadly; he looked okay, but his transformation was fiddly, his robot mode had far too many bits and pieces flopping around unsecured, and his chest dragged along the surface in var mode. =/

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:57 AM)

I second wishing that we got a Deluxe Nightbeat from TR, mostly because as a kid he was second-in-command to my old Powermaster Optimus for the longest time. =P

@  tigerhawk : (08 May 2021 - 05:41 AM)

Wipe Out and Wilder it coulda been: Wipe Out is down in the dumps because the Scramble City Trypticon was destroyed and left him a drifting to the point he arrives in Legends World, he finds Wilder and both go on a crime spree subverted by their realisation neither gets any joy from it until they stop a violent crook together and become anti heroes. (Bass XO beat me!)


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Posted 14 February 2008 - 10:37 AM

You know, I think it sucks that Fun Pub didn't show us all the figures in the set before registration began. Whether you're going to the convention or not, your money is still good to them if you're just registering for the figures. And asking people to spend $300 for figures they haven't seen is asking a lot. I was on the fence about this set and might have registered after I saw them all, but they're gonna be sold out long before then. I guess it doesn't matter to Fun Pub since the sets are going to sell out regardless of if people have seen the toys. Oh, well.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 10:46 AM

QUOTE(Detective Fork @ Feb 14 2008, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, I think it sucks that Fun Pub didn't show us all the figures in the set before registration began. Whether you're going to the convention or not, your money is still good to them if you're just registering for the figures. And asking people to spend $300 for figures they haven't seen is asking a lot. I was on the fence about this set and might have registered after I saw them all, but they're gonna be sold out long before then. I guess it doesn't matter to Fun Pub since the sets are going to sell out regardless of if people have seen the toys. Oh, well.


Yeah, pretty much. If wasn't attending, it'd be very iffy for me.

However, since I AM attending, I don't find it as big of a risk. I'll enjoy the convention regardless, just for the other fans and the dealer room, and the panels. I also like the extra perks of being a primus package holder (no big ass line on Saturday, early dealer room if I want, the dinner). If we get the toys and I decide they're lame, it's a fairly safe bet that, WORST case, I can get back very close to what I paid for them. Although, much-more-than-likely, I'll like them enough to keep my set.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 12:31 PM

While it's true that seeing them first would be nice, the choice of molds that are being used are reason enough for me to have just faxed in my non-attendee registration. I would have done it sooner but had to wait to spend again until the middle of this month.

Truth be told, I've bought every set FP has put out so far and have done so without seeing every figure first each time. I've never felt let down with each end result, except maybe a little bit with the smaller figures in their first set. I think the reason for that is that they've done the smart thing of recruiting fans for the job of choosing decos, like Ben Yee for instance. So with that in mind, I never feel too much hesitation in biting the bullet and ordering blindly. Yeah, the seeker set from last year can never be topped, at least in my opinion, but they continually pick cool molds for redecos that seem to always enhance a collection in a unique way.

Now what I am really most anxious for is to see the non-boxed set toys. Alpha Trion was a highlight for me last year, so I'm hoping for something that great to happen again this year. I do enjoy that Energon Megatron mold, especially in the reduced Superlink version size...

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 02:50 PM

QUOTE(Detective Fork @ Feb 14 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, I think it sucks that Fun Pub didn't show us all the figures in the set before registration began.


Do we even know the timing works out for that? I mean, Fun Publications pretty much puts up the registration the moment they have everything settled and ready, including getting their toys finished, etc. People complain enough about how close to the show the registration begins, but you'd be asking them to push it back a few more weeks so they can unveil the goods first.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 04:42 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Feb 14 2008, 02:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(Detective Fork @ Feb 14 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know, I think it sucks that Fun Pub didn't show us all the figures in the set before registration began.


Do we even know the timing works out for that? I mean, Fun Publications pretty much puts up the registration the moment they have everything settled and ready, including getting their toys finished, etc. People complain enough about how close to the show the registration begins, but you'd be asking them to push it back a few more weeks so they can unveil the goods first.


And in that sense, there's an uncomfortable press for (or lack of) time that probably needs to be addressed.
Yes, having an April con after a July one doesn't give a lot of time to make things click... but whose fault is that?

Getting things done on time is great, and it's leaps and bounds away from what happened at OTFCC '04, but after a while, any team needs to be able to get in the hang of things and get them done at a pace that isn't break-neck.

It's not good for the fans, and it's not good for FP. The stress of that ever-impending dead-line that seems to be coming up faster than the speed the work is getting done only makes things worse for everyone involved. People get irritable. People get burned out. People start to resent what they're doing. There's no real winner.

I don't want to speak for everyone else, but I certainly can feel the stress vibes coming off of some of the (key) personnel at the convention. It's a little unprofessional, and I think it's something that can be worked on.

It's like with David Kaye. The first time I saw him in '03, he was a little stiff and unsure - still a nice guest, don't get me wrong. But this last one, he was totally relaxed, had found his 'con groove,' and he held an entire panel by himself with style, suave, and all around ease. Simply one of the best that I've ever been to. It was really refreshing.

That's what I'd like to see FP become someday.


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Posted 14 February 2008 - 05:11 PM

QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Feb 14 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Getting things done on time is great, and it's leaps and bounds away from what happened at OTFCC '04, but after a while, any team needs to be able to get in the hang of things and get them done at a pace that isn't break-neck.


Dude, have you ever tried to work with Hasbro? That's the only pace you're allowed, if you're lucky.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 05:57 PM

Hey, I never said it was going to be easy.
Trust me when I say that I've had bosses that could put Hasbro to shame. Bureaucracy blows, and it's never easy.

However, being able to work around the system comfortably is the defining trait between a "professional" and an "amateur."
I'd like to think that FP is has the ability to be the former.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:05 PM

FP does have the ability to be professional in this manner, and they've consistently displayed it since they got the license.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Feb 14 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FP does have the ability to be professional in this manner, and they've consistently displayed it since they got the license.



Except for that Nightbeat promo video. Man, that thing was.....oh, right.....sorry.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 07:31 PM

QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 14 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(The Walky @ Feb 14 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FP does have the ability to be professional in this manner, and they've consistently displayed it since they got the license.



Except for that Nightbeat promo video. Man, that thing was.....oh, right.....sorry.

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Without even getting back into that, they were talking about a rather specific (and different) aspect of being "professional".

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 14 2008, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE(The Walky @ Feb 14 2008, 03:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FP does have the ability to be professional in this manner, and they've consistently displayed it since they got the license.



Except for that Nightbeat promo video. Man, that thing was.....oh, right.....sorry.

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Without even getting back into that, they were talking about a rather specific (and different) aspect of being "professional".



Yes, I realize. That was the joke. Perhaps not a good one, certainly not necessary, definitely douchey, but still....a joke nonetheless. Hence the laughing thingy. But thank you for the clarification.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 06:31 AM

QUOTE(The Walky @ Feb 14 2008, 06:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
FP does have the ability to be professional in this manner, and they've consistently displayed it since they got the license.

I disagree with the last part of that.
They've delivered results for the past three years with both the con and the club, there's no doubt about that. However, their machine needs some fine tuning before I would consider it "professional."

Also mind you, I'm not one of those blatant, all-encompassing FP haters. I've defended their handling of the club, the pricing of convention sets, and even the choices they've used in those sets because I feel that they made good decisions regarding those issues.

This coming set is really the first big beef that I've had with them regarding the Transformers label. So despite my criticisms in two of the most recent threads here, I've very much in favour of FP continuing on.

But I'm not going to say that there's not some serious room for improvement in both their handling of and presence during the convention. This being the fourth year, the learning curve is coming to a quick close, and the time to really shine is at hand.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 09:50 AM

QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Feb 15 2008, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They've delivered results for the past three years with both the con and the club, there's no doubt about that. However, their machine needs some fine tuning before I would consider it "professional."


You do realize 'professional' and 'perfect' are not synonyms, right?

The Transformers fans are not the biggest, nor best paying of fan bases. FP is working with very limited resources, and in my experience has been doing a fine job, creating a fun convention while keeping prices reasonable. There are some things that could be done better, sure... but to date, each convention has been managed a bit more smoothly than the previous one. There is still room for improvement, but following the trends, it would seem they are still improving.

Having been to other sci-fi conventions (and how better to judge how well they are doing than to compare them to what other people are doing?), I have to say the FP show runs comparatively smoothly. Better than most. Certainly leaps and bounds better than the Star Wars "Celebration" conventions have been run.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 09:51 AM

My impression was that FunPub had images of every toy in the convention set and was choosing to reveal them over time to build excitement. While that's understandable, it's not serving the purpose of getting people to register since that's already begun. And since it's usually a quick sell-out, I guess they don't really need to show all the toys to entice people. Showing the whole set in advance would help sway some of the people on the fence about going to the convention or just buying the toys, but that would be more of a favor to those people in convincing them to send in their registrations before others do. But I could be wrong and maybe only the picture of Optimus is ready to go and FunPub doesn't have the other toys yet.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(Betty Nor @ Feb 15 2008, 06:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
They've delivered results for the past three years with both the con and the club, there's no doubt about that. However, their machine needs some fine tuning before I would consider it "professional."


You do realize 'professional' and 'perfect' are not synonyms, right?

Really?!? *shock and awe*
I know what I said, and I meant it.

I will agree with you in saying that each year has improved, which is always a good sign.

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Posted 15 February 2008 - 01:05 PM

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it's not serving the purpose of getting people to register since that's already begun.


Yes it is. Does Paramount stop running commercials for the Transformers movie once it hits theatres? Releasing pictures of the set after the registration begins serves this same purpose. It keeps the fandom's eyes on the set while people can actually pay money for it, which is the most important period for making money.