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@  Nevermore : (17 May 2021 - 05:15 AM)

So, then, isn't redecoing or retooling an existing toy also "fixing" someone else's art?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

@  Xero Prime : (15 May 2021 - 09:09 PM)

English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 08:07 PM)

English needs to revive book in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 04:00 PM)

English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 03:42 PM)

English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

@  CORVUS : (15 May 2021 - 02:21 PM)

English needs to revive Morn in everyday text

@  Nevermore : (15 May 2021 - 12:38 PM)

English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 09:46 AM)

English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

@  Bass X0 : (15 May 2021 - 09:45 AM)

English needs to revive Gort in everyday text

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 May 2021 - 06:52 AM)

English needs to revive bort in everyday text

@  Telly : (15 May 2021 - 01:12 AM)

English needs to revive bork in everyday text

@  NovaSaber : (15 May 2021 - 12:15 AM)

English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (14 May 2021 - 09:34 PM)

English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 May 2021 - 09:26 PM)

English needs to revive porn in everyday text.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 May 2021 - 09:10 PM)

English needs to revive Ģorn in everyday text.

@  Patch : (14 May 2021 - 05:53 PM)

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@  Nevermore : (14 May 2021 - 06:09 AM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:58 AM)

Generations Nightbeat never really scratched that itch sadly; he looked okay, but his transformation was fiddly, his robot mode had far too many bits and pieces flopping around unsecured, and his chest dragged along the surface in var mode. =/

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:57 AM)

I second wishing that we got a Deluxe Nightbeat from TR, mostly because as a kid he was second-in-command to my old Powermaster Optimus for the longest time. =P


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#1 xZAOx

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:22 PM

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As of today, the Loose Convention sets are now SOLD OUT!
The Boxed Convention sets are still available...but going fast.


So, there ya go, from botcon.com.

So the regular sets are supposedly "going fast". While I'm not calling them liars, my MC that I got yesterday had an add for the '05 set saying "don't miss out!"...hehe.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:27 PM

Oh, crap. My payment hasn't been collected yet. I guess that means I'm Bagged-less.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:39 PM

Wow, impressive!

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:41 PM

That was fast.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 06:49 PM

QUOTE(Powered Convoy @ Feb 13 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That was fast.

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Indeed it was. I'm not sure how to make a fair comparison, since there were (ultimately) more loose sets last year, but that's certainly less than half the time it took to sell twice as many loose sets last year (All I know for sure is, although the boxed sets sold out in about a month, they still had loose sets available for a time after that, available only to those who had already gotten a boxed set.).

(FYI for those who don't remember, there were 400 loose sets last year, and either 1050 or 1100 boxed sets, depending on what source is used... although my guess is that the higher number is more reliable.)

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:13 PM

Why would they make only half as many loose sets as last year?

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:16 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Feb 13 2008, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would they make only half as many loose sets as last year?

I can't totally answer that, but I CAN note that they only promised 200 loose sets last year, too, but were able to increase the order ("at the last minute," we're told) when the first day or two of registrations was so intense.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:16 PM

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Why would they make only half as many loose sets as last year?


I'd assume because they reckon on demand being down.

Likely because (no offense) these exclusives don't have the "must haviness" of the Seekers and the Con itself being held the same week as finals.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:17 PM

QUOTE(Magnus @ Feb 13 2008, 07:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Why would they make only half as many loose sets as last year?



Let's see:

1. No movie to hypercharge public interest
2. No seekers to hypercharge collector interest
3. See #1 and 2
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And SUPERbuying is not quite as extreme as buying the HUG outta something.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:21 PM

How many people here who bought the loose sets in the past turned around and sold them? Or are buying them this year and plan to sell them? Just Curious. Is that what happens to most of these loose sets, or do people like to hold onto them?

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:24 PM

Oddly enough, from a collector standpoint, the bagged sets are infinitely rarer then the boxsets.

Even though they practically always sell cheaper.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 07:28 PM

Well, If I had (or have) gotten one, I was going to let each of my sons pick a figure, and sell the remaining ones.
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many people here who bought the loose sets in the past turned around and sold them? Or are buying them this year and plan to sell them? Just Curious. Is that what happens to most of these loose sets, or do people like to hold onto them?

Well, it's kind of the reverse for me. I buy the loose set so that I can "turn around and sell" the boxed set. I only care about the toys, and that's a cheap way (comparatively, at least) for me to get a set.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:08 PM

QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 14 2008, 12:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many people here who bought the loose sets in the past turned around and sold them? Or are buying them this year and plan to sell them? Just Curious. Is that what happens to most of these loose sets, or do people like to hold onto them?


Well, I bought last years boxed and loose set, one to display, one to keep untouched just like all of my other Classics. I have no plans to sell them, I just buy 2 of each of what I really like so if one breaks, I have a replacement.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:32 PM

I'm a completionist with Classics, and I like to have two of each so I kept my loose set and display them from last year, and have the boxed set in storage. I planned on doing the same thing this year as well.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 08:59 PM

Son of a bitch.....
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Posted 13 February 2008 - 09:04 PM

Yeah, I don't think it's fair to use this as a reason to go "HAW HAW!" at the convention, since this set lacks:

1) The "must have" aspect of last year's set to have a truly complete Classics collection.
2) The draw of the movie and the Hasbro tour no doubt being a big increase on overall attendance.
3) The scheduling of the convention is less accessible for people.

It's just common sense in business that they have to be careful on the whole supply/demand thing.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:24 PM

Selling out is always great news.

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Posted 13 February 2008 - 10:29 PM

QUOTE(Bleargh001 @ Feb 13 2008, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
How many people here who bought the loose sets in the past turned around and sold them? Or are buying them this year and plan to sell them? Just Curious. Is that what happens to most of these loose sets, or do people like to hold onto them?


I'll bite the bullet here - I bought a loose set last year just to sell. Mainly, to help offset my $400 plane ticket. And I ended up getting stuck with more of the hotel room than was planned (the risk that comes when you're the one who reserves the room).

But, for what it's worth, I sold them significantly less than eBay prices. Actually, Rework here on the boards is the one who ended up buying my seekers. I sold Bugbite to a con-goer (who I then had to track back down to get her profile card), and I traded Dreadwind to Gen1Fan for some money and toys.

This year I'm doing the same - I bought a loose set to sell. And I'll probably do like last year as well (if I can) - sell it for more than I paid, but less than eBay as well. I'd much rather sell it at the con to someone than have to fool with eBay, regardless of the "profit margin" being much higher on eBay.

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Posted 14 February 2008 - 06:21 AM

QUOTE(xZAOx @ Feb 13 2008, 06:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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As of today, the Loose Convention sets are now SOLD OUT!
The Boxed Convention sets are still available...but going fast.


reaction: OMG!

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So the regular sets are supposedly "going fast". While I'm not calling them liars, my MC that I got yesterday had an add for the '05 set saying "don't miss out!"...hehe.

reaction after a few seconds: wait a second... this is just for loose sets. ... hrm, I guess it's not really telling of how fast boxed sets are going for, since all we know for sure is that at least 200 of those sold as well.