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@  Pennpenn : (27 April 2017 - 03:23 AM)

Hard G. I don't give a solitary shit what the creators call it, the first word in the acronym is "Graphical". I have no idea why they'd think any sane human could, would, or should pronounce it any other way.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (27 April 2017 - 03:13 AM)

I acknowledge what the creators say, but whether I remember to use their pronunciation or not is hit or miss. Heck, I think I usually think of it in my head as "gee-i-ef", in parallel to "JPG" and "PNG".

@  Waspinator : (27 April 2017 - 02:50 AM)

Let's heat things up: what are everyone's opinions on how GIF should be pronounced?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:11 PM)

But I will say that a lot of fandom forums are generally more tolerable nowadays because most belligerent types stick to Facebook groups

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 11:09 PM)

I do like their hard no-politics rule. Now that I do the occasional freelance writing for some local politics and I like zero percent of it my hobby space now. But holy cow, do they replace it with neck beard drama.

@  LordGigaIce : (26 April 2017 - 10:30 PM)

like Noideaforaname I posted on TFW for a while. I came here after I got harassed for daring to suggest that Play With This Too was run by unoriginal hacks, and yeah. This place so much more preferable.

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

And you're turning us on

@  Nutjob R/T : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 PM)

The terrible secret of the Allspark: We all have this twisted fetish for rational thought processes

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:13 PM)

Not everyone likes everything, and people aren't blind to shortfalls or annoyances resulting from constraints of how the brand is handled. We make many a joke out of these things. But it's a rare thing when entitlement replaces logic on here, where that seems to be poster raison d'etre everywhere else.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:11 PM)

It's utterly weird how these here boards seem so impervious an oasis when it comes to that depth of idiocy. Worshipping 3p and demanding the official companies "step it up" and stop being so lazy? Insisting the movies be done THEIR way, crapping on every single thing revealed about the films or toyline, then whining that they can't find (insert hot movie to here) or the official release of a movie figure doesn't capture the look in the film they hated? Etc

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:09 PM)

It's not even a "brand pissing contest" or "board loyalty" thing, not least due to the fact that those don't really even happen here all that much. I'm just happy to be with levelheaded people who've outgrown the usual fan dumb tropes. You can have a civilized conversation here and people don't shit on things only to hide behind "but but but to each their own right?" when their myopic BS is challenged.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

With each time nonsense like this flares up on tfw or on local discussion venues (and it does quite a bit) I'm just reminded of why I've essentially been allspark bound for the last... Fifteen or so years.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:07 PM)

On the plus side, tho, TFW has "appreciation threads" for practically everything, even stuff like Kre-O and PCC. And their toy database is quite handy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 10:03 PM)

I've been happily posting on TFW for years. Then, after being *here* for a few months, I look back and wonder how the hell I even bothered with it. I mean, my ignore list had hundreds of people on it. Literally HUNDREDS of ignored people. I even showed off said gargantuan list once (with a small thumbnail that you couldn't read any of the names on, mind you). That... that really should have been a warning sign, I suppose...

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 08:03 PM)

Thanks, I enjoyed reading the nerdrage. I should hang out over there more often.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:07 PM)

I mean, Reveal Your Shield. That gets complained about too.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 07:04 PM)

One of the reveal the shield news threads at TFW has movie fans and G1 fans arguing over who has it worse

@  WorkbenchManiac : (26 April 2017 - 06:49 PM)

You got me awfully curious. What thread ware we talking about?

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:17 PM)

That was a quality read. Both sides of that thread's argument went pretty crazy.

@  Noideaforaname : (26 April 2017 - 02:11 PM)

"When Beast Wars made Optimus a monkey nobody complained" ~ someone desperate for a 'gotcha'

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:05 PM)

I want to find the rock they've been under that there isn't constantly complaining about something.

@  Diecast : (26 April 2017 - 02:04 PM)

For the lack if a better word, it baffles me when someone starts a discussion somewhere that's like "Does anyone else not like the movies?"

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

Careful, it might have something to say about that.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 12:13 PM)

I'm gonna have to check your opinion out real good to make sure.

@  TheMightyMol... : (26 April 2017 - 11:55 AM)

Oppinions are like assholes. Everyone has one, but mine is better so shut up.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 11:08 AM)

To clarify on point 1 since I was typing early in the morning again, "you must hate exactly what I hate" and "you msut like exactly what I like" aren't actually the same statement but they're the same thought process which is "my opinions are objective facts." If you see someone espousing one, they're probably thinking the other, too.

@  lastmaximal : (26 April 2017 - 10:57 AM)

... what.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 10:15 AM)

Andrusi, I imagine to some people online, there isn't that much of a world of difference, at least going by the venom they post; although not at RiD specifically.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 08:55 AM)

The scale of liking and hating is an interval one so you can not like something but not hate it. Pretty sure there's apathy and dislike in between there at least.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 08:07 AM)

And humans are perfectly capable of hating things in unison while being divided on liking.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:34 AM)

On the other hand, there's a world of difference between "I hate RID" and "I hate Nazis."

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:27 AM)

On one hand, "hating what I hate" IS "liking what I like." One of those cultures can't be worse than the other because they're literally the same culture.

@  ▲ndrusi : (26 April 2017 - 07:26 AM)

I think that comparison is both an oversimplification AND a meaningless distinction.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 07:16 AM)

That's the internet effect. Distance and anonimity make for easy and consequence-less extremism.

@  Bass X0 : (26 April 2017 - 06:58 AM)

I think the aggressive "How dare you not hate exactly what I hate" culture online is worse than the aggressive "How dare you not like exactly what I like" culture.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 06:19 AM)

And now that song/scene and its many many parodies are running through my head.

@  unluckiness : (26 April 2017 - 06:18 AM)

Patrick Swayze didnt!

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:58 AM)

lol. As long as they knock first.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

Or as ghosts. I guess ghosts would be acceptable.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:57 AM)

For now, I'd just find some small comfort in knowing those who have passed actually are in some sort of better place.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:56 AM)

I'd find comfort in knowing that one way or another, that suffering would eventually end and a new, potentially happier beginning awaits.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:54 AM)

@LBD At the same time, I can't imagine wanting to stay in even a happy afterlife when fleshies are still suffering.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:49 AM)

Celebrating and welcoming death just gives them more ideological hoops to justify killing others. So yeah, no thanks.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

The idea of death doesn't bother me so much as no longer existing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:48 AM)

at the very least, my body will feed the grass which feeds the antelope which feeds the lio- ....wait

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Yeah, that's kind of the thing.

@  MEDdMI : (26 April 2017 - 05:47 AM)

Some cultures celebrate/welcome death (of course, those also have some form of afterlife)

@  wonko the sane? : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

You shouldn't be. What with having absolutely no knowledge or control over it.

@  2017 : (26 April 2017 - 05:45 AM)

Death is scary, which is why we either spend our lives avoiding the subject or staying up late overthinking it.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (26 April 2017 - 05:44 AM)

"Never did want to live forever." I'm more bothered about what -- if anything -- is next.


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#1 Spectre

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:28 AM

Beast Wars Sourcebook Issue #3 continues the tradition of the Sourcebook by being filled with errors. The most glaring one that I can find is that IDW let Frank Milkovich contribute his art.

There are some pretty silly things when it comes to the text, too. TM Rhinox is apparently a vok-created body that Rhinox uses to travel the multiverse post-BM, and Shadow Panther isn't Ravage but he's just like Ravage.

Oh, and Ramulus is "even-tempered".

I think IDW is just messing with us, now.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:35 AM

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TM Rhinox is apparently a vok-created body that Rhinox uses to travel the multiverse post-BM


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That was seriously the best they could come up with?

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:37 AM

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:40 AM

It's also worth mentioning that this guy drew like 10 characters.

Meanwhile, no Nick Roche anywhere.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:41 AM

Don't expect mercy Walky, after all they likely followed this

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:46 AM

Ah, but while Ramulus is even-tempered, he can also be goated into rash action, as per his weaknesses. These might seem completely contradictory, but...um...nice picture.

Also, Ravage apparently transforms into a "name". It seems under the art for his cassette mode, someone forgot to take out the place-holder word "Name" and replace it with the actual description, like "cassette".

There are some interesting little additions, though. Transmetal 2 Prowl is apparently Binaltech Prowl II, the one made from Chip Chase in the BT story blurbs. There's also the suggest that the Transmetal Rhinox seen in the Unicron Trilogy is actually BW Rhinox, plucked out of the Matrix after his death and transmetallized by the Vok into being a dimension-hopping "catalyst of change". Finally, Scarem is apparently fully aware that he is a Maximal protoform under the control of a Predacon shell program, and is constantly raging against it internally.

Neat tidbits, but still don't make up for the art in some cases. Rartorarta is freaky looking enough without having him hunched over so that it looks like his head is in his chest. And Quickstrike, poor Quickstrike...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:54 AM

Huh, I was told it didn't ship today...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Jan 4 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
There are some interesting little additions, though. Transmetal 2 Prowl is apparently Binaltech Prowl II, the one made from Chip Chase in the BT story blurbs. There's also the suggest that the Transmetal Rhinox seen in the Unicron Trilogy is actually BW Rhinox, plucked out of the Matrix after his death and transmetallized by the Vok into being a dimension-hopping "catalyst of change". Finally, Scarem is apparently fully aware that he is a Maximal protoform under the control of a Predacon shell program, and is constantly raging against it internally.

But BW Rhinox WAS plucked out of the Matrix...in Universe.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:57 AM

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Oh BALLS.

I want to see what the hug Silverbolt he was using for reference for that pic...

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 12:59 AM

QUOTE(Wildwade @ Jan 5 2008, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Huh, I was told it didn't ship today...

I didn't see it today either, but now I doubt I'll even buy it.

But Ravage transforming into a name sounds hilarious.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:04 AM

Can we stop having exceedingly tenuous and poorly-thought-out Rube-Goldbergian "this new character MUST be this other original character!!!!!" fanon getting canonized? This is painful.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE(Xaaron @ Jan 4 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ah, but while Ramulus is even-tempered, he can also be goated into rash action


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:16 AM

I'd have been fine with Prowl being a reincarnation of the original because his Bio alludes to that idea.

Other than that.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:25 AM

I'd have been happy with Prowl simply being a delusional nut who thought he was G1 Prowl but really isn't. It's funnier.

(Also, who WASN'T on the goddamn Axalon anymore?)


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 01:28 AM

And now the inevitable countdown until Ben "reviews" the sourcebook by defending all of his choices.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:01 AM

Absolutely terrible. I'd say expected except IDW promised us there wouldn't be these glaring errors anymore. Yes, the horrendous art isn't an "error", but stuff like Ravage's altmode being NAME and Rartorarta being out of order (seriously, how freaking hard is it to alphabetize a list?!) IS.

The weird thing is, I actually kinda liked Milkovich's Rattrap...the robot mode doesn't have a great pose, but it's a decent rendition of the character, and he actually draws the beast mode like it looks on the show. Rhinox is passable, but Silverbolt...ye gods. Razorclaw looks horrendous (for an example of how he SHOULD be done, look at Rockbuster). Khanna's Rampage is good, but I would swear that he just lifted it exactly from the art he did of Rampage before (a minor complaint, I know). And why the hug are Powerpinch and Scissor Boy in the exact same pose, reversed, except with completely different details? Here's a hint IDW, you don't make the exact repaints look different by making the same artist do them. Random 'bots have alternate head designs when others don't. The whole thing looks like it hasn't been inked, just penciled and colored.

And that's just the art...the writing...ugh. The quotes are horrible, and this is indefensible for the show characters who HAD a plethora of good quotes to use. "Peace is the absence of conflict and the presence of justice" is NOT something that Optimus Primal would have ever uttered with a straight face. Rampage wasn't evil, he was tortured. "Be a straight shooter and your friends and enemies will respect ya." (Rattrap...what?!) "The only true loyalty is to oneself" (Scorponok...that's like, the exact opposite of his personality). I still hate how all the show character bios aren't personalities, but a personal history of their show exploits. Honestly, I love Ben Yee, but he was NOT the person to do this book.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:10 AM

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Oh BALLS.

I want to see what the hug Silverbolt he was using for reference for that pic...


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I think it was this.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:18 AM

QUOTE(Magnusblitz @ Jan 5 2008, 07:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
And why the hug are Powerpinch and Scissor Boy in the exact same pose, reversed, except with completely different details? Here's a hint IDW, you don't make the exact repaints look different by making the same artist do them.

Powerpinch and Scissor Boy aren't even redecoes. They're the same toy in the same colors, just released in different markets.


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Posted 05 January 2008 - 02:24 AM

I like the 70s Marvel vibe that Milkovich and Williams bring. Of course, I'd also like it if Bill Sienkiewicz did some profile art. icon-hotrod.gif IDIC, man.

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Posted 05 January 2008 - 07:00 AM

QUOTE(M Sipher @ Jan 5 2008, 01:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
(Also, who WASN'T on the goddamn Axalon anymore?)


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