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@  Kalidor : (10 April 2021 - 08:50 PM)

The licensed Optimus Prime that transforms itself is the appropriate usage of the term "Third Party"

@  Donocropolis : (10 April 2021 - 08:24 AM)

That Optimus isn't built by Hasbro, only licensed. The company that makes it has been making similar robots for years, so no crowdfundng required.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 April 2021 - 08:05 AM)

Apparently they're selling one for 74 and a half thousand dollars.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 April 2021 - 08:01 AM)

We could write boston dynamics and ask?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 April 2021 - 07:59 AM)

Granted, I'm not sure how much robots with elaborate movement tend to go for.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 April 2021 - 07:56 AM)

I think with actual robotics it was easier to justify selling it at a high cost, compared to an unusually large action figure.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 April 2021 - 05:06 AM)

It is a very impressive display of robotics though.

@  tigerhawk : (10 April 2021 - 04:52 AM)

What were they thinking with that self transforming Optimus? should have been another crowd funder for that price.

@  tigerhawk : (08 April 2021 - 03:33 PM)

I wish they'd rerelease Earthrise Ramjet and Dirge.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 April 2021 - 03:04 PM)

Yay! optimus primal just arrived. So now there's... nothing for me to look forward to till scorponok drops... hmmm, I didn't think this through properly...

@  wonko the sane? : (07 April 2021 - 04:26 PM)

It's an older title which recently got a remake so...

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 April 2021 - 01:10 PM)

Ah yes- I think I've heard of that game before. I may be thinking about something else though.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 April 2021 - 08:03 AM)

It's a video game. You get hired to revive and restore a series of derelict space stations.

@  tigerhawk : (07 April 2021 - 07:05 AM)

I've got no idea what that is but yes.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 April 2021 - 06:34 AM)

so... literally the plot to startopia.

@  tigerhawk : (07 April 2021 - 02:32 AM)

Maybe if the Interstellar Alliance collapsed after the big burn and a 'benefactor' repurposed a space station as a commerce one. Oh wait...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (06 April 2021 - 04:35 PM)

Babylon 6?

@  Donocropolis : (06 April 2021 - 11:49 AM)

I'd rather have a Toilet Seat: TNG sequel series than an actual reboot. If something was done well the first time, don't give us the same-thing-but-worse, just give us something new on that bowl..

@  wonko the sane? : (06 April 2021 - 10:19 AM)

Context: my parents had the bathroom redone about a year ago (actually, almost exactly a year ago, as the project was about 4 days from complete and was interrupted by the first pandemic lockdown.). The ridiculous, fancy toilet seat they purchased has since develloped cracks in it and needs to be returned. Dad simply could not get the seat off himself... and see previous shout.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 April 2021 - 10:17 AM)

How to ruin somesones day with one question: Let someone work on a problem for about an hour and a half on their own, come to the realization they need an extra set of hands, ask for help, show you the problem and outright difficulty of it: then ask them "Hey, what does this button do?" and literally solve the two man dilema without doing any work.

@  Dekafox : (06 April 2021 - 09:22 AM)

As far as the TNT move, all of Season 5 was basically epilogue, which didn't help - when it looked like things were ending at Season 4 JMS tried to cram all the major plot threads for his original Season 4 and 5 plan into Season 4, which didn't leave them as much to work with for Season 5. Then TNT totally screwed with Crusade and got it killed before it got a chance to hit the real plot and nothing else really resonated enough to get a series push. A Crusade revival would be the best "B5:TNG" option IMO.

@  electricidad : (06 April 2021 - 08:55 AM)

Peak B5 was the first six episodes of season 4. EVERYTHING CAME TO A HEAD.

@  Kevin S : (06 April 2021 - 08:50 AM)

Generally, I think once B5 moved to TNT things went downhill. The sets didn't look as good (maybe due to ill use of better lighting) and I wasn't always as impressed with casting (Sheridan's new 2nd just didn't work). The movies had decent ideas, but I felt there was something off in the execution. Wonder if TNT pushed for different directors that weren't as familar with B5.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 April 2021 - 08:42 AM)

Did the follow up movies do that badly, or does the creator simply feel like his story was told and refuses to allow more content?

@  Donocropolis : (06 April 2021 - 08:23 AM)

I'd rather have a B5: TNG sequel series than an actual reboot. If something was done well the first time, don't give us the same-thing-but-worse, just give us something new in that world.

@  tigerhawk : (06 April 2021 - 01:26 AM)

A reboot would probably be ruined by meddling and different visions anyway. 

@  Echowarrior : (05 April 2021 - 09:12 PM)

JMS wrote about half of the first season, a little over half of the second, all of the third and fourth, and all but one episode from the fifth. Given he was also the creator and executive producer, him having so much creative control was likely a condition for getting the show made. Shame he didn't have it for Crusade.

@  Dekafox : (05 April 2021 - 08:44 AM)

They also had JMS write every single script bar maybe 2 or 3? That was another big part of how well it hangs together. Do you think any studio would do that nowadays?

@  tigerhawk : (05 April 2021 - 08:16 AM)

Let it be the first all AI acted series.

@  Echowarrior : (04 April 2021 - 08:31 PM)

Yeah, but would the reboot be as good as the original? B5 had a damn good cast, and they can't replicate that easily.

@  Rycochet : (04 April 2021 - 04:33 PM)

One day they'll let a streaminbg service reboot B5 and let the stories be told without the sword of Damocles hanging over them at all times.

@  tigerhawk : (04 April 2021 - 02:32 PM)

It's aged in the set piece areas.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 April 2021 - 02:22 PM)

I don't remember much of B5... I take it we're not talking about cathode ray tubes...

@  tigerhawk : (04 April 2021 - 11:45 AM)

Babylon 5 CRT tech.

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2021 - 06:13 PM)

Bloody hell, thanks for the heads up.

@  Bass X0 : (03 April 2021 - 04:55 PM)

be careful with her. someone on tfw2005 broke her wing taking her out of the packaging.

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2021 - 08:15 AM)

I got my airazor on wednesday. Just waiting for the BBTS box to arrive with the rest of the line before I start opening things up. Guess I got her just in time too.

@  Telly : (02 April 2021 - 11:48 PM)

woke to a pre order arrival notice from bbts. was hoping/dreading it was unicron, but turns out it was airazor. and as these things always go, i go to walmart later in the day and see airazor sitting on the shelf...

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 April 2021 - 08:07 PM)

Get one and make a s'more with it.

@  Hg Dragon : (01 April 2021 - 06:48 PM)

If you know, you know...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 April 2021 - 06:48 PM)

I am dissapointed by my lack of medium-sized Reese's Peanut Butter Eggs.

@  wonko the sane? : (01 April 2021 - 02:23 PM)

Fun Fact: It's also my sister in laws birthday. Well, I assume anyway, we've celebrated it for a couple of years, and no one has shouted "april fools" yet, so...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 April 2021 - 11:44 AM)

Happy Regret Using The Internet Day.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 April 2021 - 09:05 AM)

You know the rules, nOw sAy gOodByE

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (01 April 2021 - 06:17 AM)

We're no strangers to love

@  Sabrblade : (31 March 2021 - 11:18 PM)

Happy Harmless Pranks Day!

@  MEDdMI : (31 March 2021 - 10:07 AM)

Really don't feel like arguing about it with them when I work the phones all day.

@  MEDdMI : (31 March 2021 - 10:06 AM)

Thankfully I had signed up for an HSA for us the year before and that covered most of the costs. But it's still money from my paycheck instead of insurance covering it.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 March 2021 - 02:51 PM)

Oh, this was after the insurance. And after the initial bills right after the hospital stay.

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 March 2021 - 08:38 AM)

tHaT's wHy InSuRAnCe iS a ThInG


Same character?


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#1 (Deactivated) Byrerprime

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 05:43 PM

I was wondering what everyone thought about the enormous numbers of characters with the same name. We all know that Beast Wars Megatron is not the same character as G1 Megatron. What are your opinions on some of these. Please feel free to add others. Note that Armada, Energon and Cybertron are shorthanded as U3 for Unicron Trilogy.

G1 Optimus Prime vs. U3 Optimus Prime vs. BW2 Lio Convoy vs. RiD Optimus Prime

G1 Jetfire vs. G1 Skyfire vs. U3 Jetfire

G1 Ultra Magnus vs. RiD Ultra Magnus vs. U3 Ultra Magnus

G1 Grimlock vs. BW Grimlock vs. RiD Grimlock

G1 Hot Rod vs. U3 Hot Shot

G1 Inferno vs. U3 Inferno/Roadblock vs. BW Inferno vs. Un Inferno

G1 Mirage vs. RiD Mirage vs. U3 Mirage vs. BM Mirage

G1 Prowl vs. U3 Prowl vs. RiD Prowl vs. BW (Magnaboss) Prowl vs. BW Prowl (owl)

G1 Red Alert vs. U3 Red Alert

G1 Landmine vs. U3 Landmine

G1 Wheeljack vs. U3 Wheeljack vs. U3 Downshift

U3 Smokescreen/Hoist vs. G1 Grapple vs. G1 Hoist

G1/G2 Megatron vs. U3 Megatron vs. BW2 Megastorm vs. RiD Megatron.

G1 Starscream vs. U3 Starscream vs. BW2 Starscream

G1 Thrust vs. BW Waspinator/BM Thrust vs. BW2 Thrust/Thrustor

G1 Scourge vs. U3 Scourge

U3 Scourge vs. BW Dinobot

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Posted 28 October 2007 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE(Byrerprime @ Oct 28 2007, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was wondering what everyone thought about the enormous numbers of characters with the same name. We all know that Beast Wars Megatron is not the same character as G1 Megatron. What are your opinions on some of these. Please feel free to add others. Note that Armada, Energon and Cybertron are shorthanded as U3 for Unicron Trilogy.

G1 Optimus Prime vs. U3 Optimus Prime vs. BW2 Lio Convoy vs. RiD Optimus Prime

G1 Jetfire vs. G1 Skyfire vs. U3 Jetfire

G1 Ultra Magnus vs. RiD Ultra Magnus vs. U3 Ultra Magnus

G1 Grimlock vs. BW Grimlock vs. RiD Grimlock

G1 Hot Rod vs. U3 Hot Shot

G1 Inferno vs. U3 Inferno/Roadblock vs. BW Inferno vs. Un Inferno

G1 Mirage vs. RiD Mirage vs. U3 Mirage vs. BM Mirage

G1 Prowl vs. U3 Prowl vs. RiD Prowl vs. BW (Magnaboss) Prowl vs. BW Prowl (owl)

G1 Red Alert vs. U3 Red Alert

G1 Landmine vs. U3 Landmine

G1 Wheeljack vs. U3 Wheeljack vs. U3 Downshift

U3 Smokescreen/Hoist vs. G1 Grapple vs. G1 Hoist

G1/G2 Megatron vs. U3 Megatron vs. BW2 Megastorm vs. RiD Megatron.

G1 Starscream vs. U3 Starscream vs. BW2 Starscream

G1 Thrust vs. BW Waspinator/BM Thrust vs. BW2 Thrust/Thrustor

G1 Scourge vs. U3 Scourge

U3 Scourge vs. BW Dinobot


Wouldn't g1 hot rod = u3 Rodimus and not hot shot? or would that be more like g1 Rodimus Prime = U3 Rodimus?

few questions so i can understand what your looking for. opinions on character designs or comparisons? you might want to add G1 Soundwave vs. U3 soundwave? one last thing what are the limitations to this are we limited to the bots that went with a series or is the full spectrum included? ie. titaniums and alternators?

Edited by Human_Error, 28 October 2007 - 10:22 PM.


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Posted 29 October 2007 - 05:04 PM

QUOTE(Human_Error @ Oct 28 2007, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Wouldn't g1 hot rod = u3 Rodimus and not hot shot? or would that be more like g1 Rodimus Prime = U3 Rodimus?

That's what I'm asking. What's your opinion?
QUOTE(Human_Error @ Oct 28 2007, 10:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
few questions so i can understand what your looking for. opinions on character designs or comparisons? you might want to add G1 Soundwave vs. U3 soundwave? one last thing what are the limitations to this are we limited to the bots that went with a series or is the full spectrum included? ie. titaniums and alternators?

Basically I just want to know everyone's opinion on the actual character. If you believe Unicron Trilogy is an extension of G1 and comes before Beast Wars, or is it another reality altogether? Treat it like this: Is U3 Optimus Prime the same spark as RiD Optimus Prime? Different time frame or alternate reality? How are they connected to G1 Optimus Prime?

#4 (Deactivated) Byrerprime

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Posted 30 October 2007 - 05:43 PM

QUOTE(Annimus Prime ۞ @ Oct 30 2007, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
G1 Jetfire vs. G1 Skyfire vs. U3 Jetfire and G1 Hot Rod vs. U3 Hot Shot are both some confusing speculations having to do with the characters but they are all relating to the same character. I prefer Hot Rod and Jetfire best.
;)

But couldn't G1 Jetfire (toy and comics) be a different character than G1 Skyfire (cartoon) even though they were meant to be the same? They could be brothers or something. Skyfire is still trapped in the snow in the comics and Jetfire is just not seen in the cartoon.

This is the type of conjecture I was hoping for. icon-trant.gif

#5 blukis

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 07:13 PM

ByrerPrime, there is plenty of food for thought in your list above! I'll pick and choose...

Wheeljack/Downshift: It's a sort of a neat nod to fans when they make toys that resemble classic characters, but I thought it was a little odd when they had the same appearance and name, but not personality. To me, the identity of a character is his(/her) personality, and where they fit with the other characters. I had a hard time thinking that the Wheeljack of G1 could ever become what Wheeljack/Downshift was in U3. They're different characters to me.

I'll throw another one in the mix. G1 Soundwave / Movie Frenzy. The movie authors have said that Frenzy was originally to be named Soundwave, but his character became less and less like Soundwave so they just made him someone else. I agree, and I'm glad they changed it. Soundwave was nothing like that. Soundwave is data driven, loyal to Megatron, and ruthless/deadly when the time is right. You know who had those traits in the movie? Blackout. Honestly, I'm not one to normally make connections between TF series, but I think of Blackout as the movie version of Soundwave.

But most of the time, I err on the side of making them be different characters. (G1 Jetfire ≠ U3 Jetfire. G1 Optimus ≠ RiD Optimus.) Same names, but different beings.

Edited by blukis, 06 November 2007 - 07:20 PM.


#6 Shadewing

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Posted 06 November 2007 - 08:03 PM

G1 Jetfire and Skyfire Are the same person, just diffrent names for copyright issues.

BW Grimlock is G1 Grimlock

Uni Inferno is suppsed to be BW Inferno, by the bio. But It seems that most everyone seems to consider him to be G1 Red Alert, taking up the name of his best firend for some reason.

BM Mirage is Skywarp. Seriously. Almost exact same bio.

G1 Prowl vs. U3 Prowl vs. RiD Prowl vs. BW (Magnaboss) Prowl vs. BW Prowl (owl)

G1 Prowl may be MB Prowl, with the others also being G1 characters that have survived, but other then names there isnt any real support for this. TM2 Prowl is probably G1 Prowl, or at least believes he is. RiD Prowl is probably ment to be G1 Prowl in the same way RiD Prime is. Weither they are the G1 versions, depends on how you handle RiD continuity.

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Posted 07 November 2007 - 05:10 PM

I LOVE this sort of topic/disussion. Personally, I try to find ways to interconnect every incarnation of the Transformers. I write off RID (as crap (stories icon-ball.gif so I don't bother trying to incorporate that into continuity!)

I'm still working out how to interconnect Movie continuity with the rest of G1/BeastWars/machines/UnicronTrilogy... lore. Actually the movie can be explained quite easily. It's the events of the prequel novels and comics that screw a few too many things up... As long as you see Movie Megatron as a different Megatron than G1 and this Optimus as after his death and resurrection in events told in G1 continuity. Just figure that the Autobots eventually win and Optimus commands all record of Humans and Earth erased from the datatracks of every Cybertronian, including his own. With the desire to not interfere with Human civilization, that seems like something Optimus would do, right! icon-ironhide.gif

To understand another important factor in fitting together the *time*lines of transformers, one must consider all the traveling Optimus and Megatron do, going back and forth in their super advanced spaceships traveling at 99% of the speed of light. This creates all sort of *time dilation phenomenon* which actually allow all continuities to work together just fine! Talk to Dave VanDolamen. He's a physics guy. He can explain it all to ya! icon-hotrod.gif

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#8 Heather Prime

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Posted 15 April 2008 - 12:16 AM

oh yeah i love RiD prow is nice his police car
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Posted 15 April 2008 - 06:26 PM

There really needs to be more connection between characters than identical names and sometimes similar alternate modes.

Most of those listed in the first post, I'd say no way to. G1 Scourge and Cybertron Scourge are completely different - different personality, different origins, different appearance. Whereas eighties cartoon (not movie) Scourge, Marvel comics Scourge and Dreamwave Scourge ARE the same character although in different universes which do not crossover with each other (the movie does though with the U.K. Marvel comics but the cartoon does not).

Cybertron Scourge has no such similarities.

They're just different beings with the same name. Thats all.

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Posted 19 May 2008 - 07:08 AM

I don?t know, some supposed "alternate universe" versions of characters existing in the newer releases of transformers just don?t seem to actually be the same character, someone said that trasformers names were not code names but rather common names like joe and mike, and we now that there are lots of joes and mikes and the point is unless someone says in canon material yes they are the same guy or "they seem to have the same energy signature" this will just be speculation.
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Posted 05 June 2008 - 12:52 PM

none of them are the same character, aside from alternate names within the same universe. ie: g1 jetfire = g1 skyfire.
(EDIT: and the very very very few that have been explicitly stated to be the same character)

g1 inferno and bw inferno being the same doesnt make any sense. plenty of others in the list are in the same category. if you try to make them the same character you have to find some way to make all the disjointed different continuities and microcontinuities into one single continuity and you cant ignore any continuity (eg: rid) to do so.

you also have to resolve the issue of japanese names and the original japanese developed storylines, eg: e.prowl is called red alert in japan so is he a new prowl or a new alert/red alert. e.ironhide is called roadbuster in japan so is he an ironhide or not. shockwave is called laserwave in japan, tidal wave is called shockwave in japan. c.hot shot was called excillion in japan so is he a "hot rod" too or not? not to mention how do you decide whether to go by the name or the resemblance. there was a g1 downshift, so why isnt e.downshift = g1 downshift, and how do you decide who deserves to continue from one series to another? you see where this falls apart very quickly.

its just a trademark and name-recognition practice. registering new names is non-trivial.

Edited by ka0tika, 05 June 2008 - 01:27 PM.