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@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)


@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.


Darthirians collection.

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#1 Daith


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Posted 19 June 2007 - 02:25 AM

Well I basicly started collecting around Beast Machines (with a few figures bought for random birthdays and holiday gifts previously) and didn't really get too active till about the end of Armada. Heres the list of what I have scince then. Would have more Alts but the damn movers lost them between KY and WA.

Generation 1
Optimus Prime (TRU RI)
Optimus Prime 20th Anniv
Powermaster Optimus Prime w/ Hi Q
Rodimus Prime (TRU RI)
Ultra Magnus
Galvatron (purple reissue Japanese Exclu)
Starscream (TRU RI)

Generation 2
Megatron (Leader class)

Beast Wars
Optimus Primal (Bat)
Optimus Primal (TRU 10th rerelease)
Optimus Primal TM
Optimal Optimus
Optimus Primal (10th aniv)
Cheetor (10th aniv)
Cheetor TM2
Black Arachnia TM2
Rattrap TM
Rattrap TM (10th aniv)
Rhinox (10th aniv)
Dinobot (10th aniv)
Megatron (Croc)
Megatron (TRU 10th rerelease)
Megatron TM
Megatron (10th aniv)
Waspinator (10th aniv)
Tarantulas (10th aniv)
Unicron.com Golden Disks Set

Beast Machines
Opimus Primal (DLX)
Optimus Primal (Blast Punch)
Cheetor (Mega)

Robots In Disguise
Optimus Prime
Ultra Magnus
Megabolt Megatron (BM Head ship sculpt)

Powerlinx Optimus Prime w/ Corona Sparkplug
Optimus Prime (DLX) w/ Overrun
Hot Shot w/ Jolt
Jetfire w/Cometor
Red Alert w/ Longarm
Perceptor Mini Con Team
Megatron w/ Leader-1
Starscream w/ Swindle
Unicron w/ Deadend

Optimus Prime
Wing Saber
Omega Supreme
Ultra Magnus W/ 4 mini-cons
Optimus Prime (dlx box set) Lost
Hot Shot
Storm Jet
Sky Shadow
High-wire w/ Kicker
Cyclonus (armada repaint)
Demolisher (dump truck)
Battle Ravage

Cybertron Primus
Optimus Prime (Leader)
Optimus Prime (Beast Planet)
Vector Prime
Wing Saber
Hot Shot
Hot Shot Cybertron Defense
Red Alert
Red Alert Cybertron Defense
Scattershot Cybertron Defense
Recon Mini-con team
Checkpoint, Anti-Blaze, Scythe
Megatron (Leader)
Megatron (Beast Planet)
Thrust, Ramjet, Sunstorm

Optimus Primal (BW repaint)
Silverbolt (BW repaint)
Night Slash Cheetor (BM repaint)
Nemisis Prime (BWNeo Big Convoy repaint)
Skywarp (BM Jetfire repaint)
BlackArachnia (BM Repaint)
Scavenger (MM Constructicon)
Scrapper (MM Constructicon)
Hook (MM Constructicon)
Bonecrusher (MM Constructicon)
Long Haul (MM Constructicon)
Mixmaster (MM Constructicon)

WW Optimus Prime
TF/GI Joe Megatron

Darth Vader / TIE Fighter
Darth Vader / Death Star
Luke Skywalker / X-Wing
Luke Skywalker / Snowspeeder
Obi-Wan Kenobi/ Ep3 Fighter
Boba Fett/ Slave 1
Emperor Palpatine/ Shuttle Tyderium (S)
Darth Maul/ Sith Infiltrator
Han & Chewie/ Millieum Falcon
Clone Pilot/ ARC-170 (S)
Clone Pilot/ Repeublic Gunship
Commander Cody / Turbo Tank
Sasee Tinn/ Delta 7 Jedi SF
AT-AT Driver / AT-AT

Beast Wars II
Lio Convoy

Beast Wars Neo

Dodge Ram Optimus Prime

Optimus Prime VS. Megatron 2 pack
Optimus Prime
Dinobots Mini-cons (Swoop, Terrorsaur, Knockdown)
Clear Skies Mini-cons (Thunderwing, SteelWind, Nightscream)
Predacon Mini-cons

Movie 2007
Optimus Prime (Leader)
Optimus Prime (protoform)
Bumblebee (70's)
Bumblebee (70's BD)
Bumblebee (Concept BD)
Megatron (Leader)
Starscream (G1)
Starscream (Protofrom)
Brawl (dlx)
Optimus Prime Helmet

Real Gear
Speed Dial

Optimus Prime Battle Damage
Optimus Prime Cybertron
Megatron Cybertron BD
Megatron Cybertron Mode
Black Arachnia
Soundwave w/ Laserbeak
Oil Slick
All 6 Happy Meal toys

Edited by Daith, 04 August 2008 - 01:37 PM.

#2 Daith


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Posted 04 August 2008 - 01:38 PM

Years worth of additions