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@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

@  Xero Prime : (15 May 2021 - 09:09 PM)

English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 08:07 PM)

English needs to revive book in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 04:00 PM)

English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 03:42 PM)

English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

@  CORVUS : (15 May 2021 - 02:21 PM)

English needs to revive Morn in everyday text

@  Nevermore : (15 May 2021 - 12:38 PM)

English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

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English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

@  Bass X0 : (15 May 2021 - 09:45 AM)

English needs to revive Gort in everyday text

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English needs to revive bort in everyday text

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English needs to revive bork in everyday text

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English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

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English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

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English needs to revive porn in everyday text.

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English needs to revive Ģorn in everyday text.

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:58 AM)

Generations Nightbeat never really scratched that itch sadly; he looked okay, but his transformation was fiddly, his robot mode had far too many bits and pieces flopping around unsecured, and his chest dragged along the surface in var mode. =/

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:57 AM)

I second wishing that we got a Deluxe Nightbeat from TR, mostly because as a kid he was second-in-command to my old Powermaster Optimus for the longest time. =P

@  tigerhawk : (08 May 2021 - 05:41 AM)

Wipe Out and Wilder it coulda been: Wipe Out is down in the dumps because the Scramble City Trypticon was destroyed and left him a drifting to the point he arrives in Legends World, he finds Wilder and both go on a crime spree subverted by their realisation neither gets any joy from it until they stop a violent crook together and become anti heroes. (Bass XO beat me!)


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#1 Maruten

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Posted 07 April 2021 - 03:32 AM

Unbeknownst to the Maximals, the Predacons have taken their first prisoner! As Megatron and Tarantulas run their interrogation, dissent stirs in the Predacon ranks. Who'll give first - the dissatisfied Dinobot or the captured Maximal? The Beast Wars rage on!


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Posted 07 April 2021 - 05:48 AM

"History barely remembers the original Megatron." says Nyx to the bloke who named himself after him.  After she took orders from a Great War vet in the first issue.

 

Hnn, there's a lot that doesn't work here.  Cheetor's worried about Nyx being out after dark, even though she's a bat.  Primal's NOT worried about Nyx being out there alone without means of communication on an unknown world because...um, that's good leadership?  Our new character Nyx is then tortured and used as a means for Dinobot to show how badass and honourable he is.  Where exactly does Dinobot GO from here now that he's on the outs with the Predacons and halfway a Maximal already?

 

I really want this to work but it really isn't.  I don't know if I'm going to last the twelve issues.



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Posted 07 April 2021 - 01:25 PM

Just because Dinobot betrayed Megatron doesn't mean the Maximals are going to welcome him with open arms. Nyx will likely vouch for him, but that doesn't mean the others are going to be keen on having a Predacon around. The interesting twist here is that Dinobot isn't good for a predacon, he's flat-out a good predacon.

Regarding Cheetor and Optimus, I'd wait for Nyx to get back before declaring that part of the story worthless. How is Optimus going to react when he realizes he made a bad call, and how are the others going to react to his rookie mistake nearly getting a team member killed? Is that going to put him on weaker footing for letting Dinobot join up?

And "history barely remembers the name Megatron" wasn't supposed to be factually accurate, it was supposed to piss off Megatron.

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Posted 08 April 2021 - 10:06 AM

I think this issue fell kinda flat, but I still mostly enjoyed it? Like, none of the characters voices felt "right", but once Dinobot locked everyone in the Darksyde, it managed to feel like an actual episode. Or rather, half an episode, since very little actually happened. Nyx is tortured, Maximals discuss, Dinobot frees Nyx. This will probably read great in the trade, but as individual issues it's a bit underwhelming.

 

As an aside: I just finished my first proper readthrough of the first IDWverse--finishing up with the entirety of Lost Light--and going from Lawrence/Cahill/Milne/et al artwork to Burcham's almost broke my brain.


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#5 Wildwade

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Posted 08 April 2021 - 11:40 AM

Just because Dinobot betrayed Megatron doesn't mean the Maximals are going to welcome him with open arms. Nyx will likely vouch for him, but that doesn't mean the others are going to be keen on having a Predacon around. The interesting twist here is that Dinobot isn't good for a predacon, he's flat-out a good predacon.

Regarding Cheetor and Optimus, I'd wait for Nyx to get back before declaring that part of the story worthless. How is Optimus going to react when he realizes he made a bad call, and how are the others going to react to his rookie mistake nearly getting a team member killed? Is that going to put him on weaker footing for letting Dinobot join up?

And "history barely remembers the name Megatron" wasn't supposed to be factually accurate, it was supposed to piss off Megatron.

To me, there's a lot of dissonance here in how the characters are portrayed versus how we expect them to act, and it's interfering with getting a solid grip on any of them.  The whole series is clinging to the borders of the cartoon so far, yet most of the characters really don't feel right,  I assume it's an conscious choice to portray Primal as an impulsive hands-off commander, Cheetor as a seemingly-responsible worrywart, and Dinobot as a Maximal in Predacon clothing instead of the other way around.  None of that is consistent with their classic portrayals, but some characters like Rattrap and Tarantulas are fairly the same.  It's rather baffling, to say the least, because the other option is that Burnham just didn't really understand those characters to begin with.

 

The Nyx line doesn't make any sense to me, because clearly history DOES remember Megatron if "Galavar" takes the name with pride and the Tripredacus Council act like he's putting on airs.  Maybe the Maximals sealed the files on the Decepticons like is mentioned in the show, but then why would Megatron be so offended by Nyx's apparent ignorance?  Just kind of makes Megatron look petty, not righteously in-dignified.


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Posted 08 April 2021 - 01:12 PM

Again, the Megatron comment was to anger Megatron by insinuating the person he went out of his way to name himself after isn't worthy of rememberence, and therefore Megatron is even less worthy of remeberance. As I mentioned, I seriously doubt it was intended as an accurate reflection of how much the original Megatron is or isn't remmebered. It's like Optimus calling Megatron "junk" and outdated in the G1 cartoon. It's an insult, not a factual statement.

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Posted 08 April 2021 - 02:17 PM

Kind of funny how the primary criticisms of this comic are usually "it's boring because it sticks way too close to the show" alongside "it's too different because the characters don't act like they did in the show".

Obviously those two points don't HAVE TO be 100% contradictory. I guess someone could want to see the same characters in a different setting, rather than reimagined characters in a similar setting. But if that's the case, I don't see how the former is inherently better or more creative than the later.

I also don't buy that there's any chance that Burnham doesn't understand the archetypes of the show characters. I love Beast Wars, but the broad strokes of the characters are not that hard to get - Cheetor is the young hot head with something to prove, Dinobot is the honorable "bad guy", etc. There is no way Burnham doesn't get this, and the changes in characterization are almost certainly intentional.

Anyways, does anyone else get major Scorpia (from the latest She-Ra cartoon) vibes from Skold?

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Posted 08 April 2021 - 09:01 PM

Kind of funny how the primary criticisms of this comic are usually "it's boring because it sticks way too close to the show" alongside "it's too different because the characters don't act like they did in the show".

Obviously those two points don't HAVE TO be 100% contradictory. I guess someone could want to see the same characters in a different setting, rather than reimagined characters in a similar setting. But if that's the case, I don't see how the former is inherently better or more creative than the later.

I also don't buy that there's any chance that Burnham doesn't understand the archetypes of the show characters. I love Beast Wars, but the broad strokes of the characters are not that hard to get - Cheetor is the young hot head with something to prove, Dinobot is the honorable "bad guy", etc. There is no way Burnham doesn't get this, and the changes in characterization are almost certainly intentional.

Anyways, does anyone else get major Scorpia (from the latest She-Ra cartoon) vibes from Skold?


Because we're a few issues I'm, and these characters haven't done anything to show us who these new versions are.

It's one thing to do that with G1 characters, when there's so many of them, and there's already been multiple depictions.

It's a whole other thing to do that with Beast Wars, which was a smaller cast.

Right now, the Maximals haven't done much. Transformers IDW2 was a slow burn too, but I don't have as much faith in this writer as I do Ruckley.

If they started off with a bang, and showed us hey, here's this person's defining character trait, that would help.

I don't hate the comic, I enjoyed issue 2 a lot mor than the first, but like someone said, some characters being the same and others different is jarring.

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Posted 08 April 2021 - 09:48 PM

Yeah, I think most of the characters fit with what we know. Some better than others (Megatron and Tarantulas fit stronger than Cheetor or Rhinox, for example). The only one who really feels 'off' to me is Optimus, who seems far too earnest and eager compared to the cartoon where he often seemed worn down by the stress of leadership and dealing with difficult underlings and clashing of personalities.

 

I think the problem is that by presenting something that is very similar to the cartoon, it naturally invites a higher level of comparison, and so little differences that would normally slide feel like a bigger detail, for better or worse. I think it can certainly be argued that this isn't quite "fair" but it's natural when sticking too close to the source material. If they were doing a completely different Beast Wars, say with characters like Razorbeast and Cybershark and Snapper and Iguanus, it doesn't happen.

 

More happened this issue, though things are still too decompressed for my liking. And what's happening is still pretty meh. Dinobot leaving the Predacons over someone being tortured is stronger than leaving because he challenged Megatron to a duel, but it's not that much more interesting, and we're still very much "in the middle of episode 1" feeling.


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Posted 09 April 2021 - 02:26 PM

I feel like a lot of the character changes are being done with a eye towards Beast Machines.  Rhinox is the most obvious example, with him being a little more stuffy and traditional eventually signalling his turn into Tankor.  Something similar could be the idea with Primal and Cheetor.  Primal "going with the flow" a bit more and being a little more loose and carefree could be to set up his turn as a hippie conduit for the Oracle.  Cheetor being a bit more of a worrywart could be setting up his eventual turn as the field leader of the team.

 

I suppose it makes sense, if the idea is to integrate these character changes more naturally.  I know a lot of people at the time complained that the changes in Beast Machines seemed a bit too abrupt.  I don't know if we're ever going to get to Beast Machines, but it's not a terrible idea, on paper, *if* that is indeed what they're trying to do.

 

But...yeah, this was episode 3 "The Web" only with Nyx instead of Cheetor.  It's nice to learn a *little* more about Skold's personality.  


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Posted 17 April 2021 - 07:55 PM

I am fine with a different take on characters, but, like, "Dinobot is a good guy who somehow ended up in a team full of assholes" is inherently less interesting than him being an asshole who eventually becomes a decent person thru exposure to the other maximals. Not to mention it was pure bleh how the verbally tells us his philosophy mid-fight. Way too stuffy. Primal's argument was also weird, he does bring up that it could be dangerous to send anyone looking for Nyx but it feels like he doesn't stress enough that point.

 

The art is also still stiff. I actualy had trouble understanding some of the action due to the staging and shapes being so bleh. Not a fan of every character having such clean faces either. The way the artist stylizes some stuff like Tarantulas head and spider legs is neat but stuff like Dinobot lacking his goblin-ish features is just bland.



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Posted 19 April 2021 - 01:19 PM

I feel like a lot of the character changes are being done with a eye towards Beast Machines.  Rhinox is the most obvious example, with him being a little more stuffy and traditional eventually signalling his turn into Tankor.  Something similar could be the idea with Primal and Cheetor.  Primal "going with the flow" a bit more and being a little more loose and carefree could be to set up his turn as a hippie conduit for the Oracle.  Cheetor being a bit more of a worrywart could be setting up his eventual turn as the field leader of the team.
 
I suppose it makes sense, if the idea is to integrate these character changes more naturally.  I know a lot of people at the time complained that the changes in Beast Machines seemed a bit too abrupt.  I don't know if we're ever going to get to Beast Machines, but it's not a terrible idea, on paper, *if* that is indeed what they're trying to do.
 
But...yeah, this was episode 3 "The Web" only with Nyx instead of Cheetor.  It's nice to learn a *little* more about Skold's personality.  


I can see that, especially Rhinox

But 5he thing with Cheetor is him going at odds with Orimal was great because he developed from a reckless kid to a more responsible leader

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Posted 19 April 2021 - 04:55 PM

I might be done. There comes a time to admit I'm trying way too hard to like something instead of actually liking it.

 

Every defense of this book comes down to "Well maybe they're going somewhere with that." At some point the book needs to show us that it is actually going somewhere with that. Right now it feels like it's trying to tread the same ground as the show but uniformly skipped several steps ahead on all the characters' journeys. Like the writer was just working off summaries or 20 year old memories of who the characters are with no context on how they got there.

 

Cartoon Dinobot is a Predacon with Predacon honor who joins Primal's crew as a Predacon, and he softens up so gradually that he hardly realizes it's happening until he's pretty far along. He didn't intend to defect. He intended to pull off a mutiny and got himself kicked out. He clearly believed in the cause and had some fondness for his teammates, but thought (quite understandably at the time) that Megatron screwed it up so badly that someone else needed to take over immediately.

 

Comic Dinobot is so good so quickly that it's hard to believe he joined this crew in the first place. It's hard to have confidence in where his story might be going when it already feels like something isn't right.


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Posted 19 April 2021 - 05:23 PM

I might be done. There comes a time to admit I'm trying way too hard to like something instead of actually liking it.

 

Every defense of this book comes down to "Well maybe they're going somewhere with that." At some point the book needs to show us that it is actually going somewhere with that. Right now it feels like it's trying to tread the same ground as the show but uniformly skipped several steps ahead on all the characters' journeys. Like the writer was just working off summaries or 20 year old memories of who the characters are with no context on how they got there.

 

Cartoon Dinobot is a Predacon with Predacon honor who joins Primal's crew as a Predacon, and he softens up so gradually that he hardly realizes it's happening until he's pretty far along. He didn't intend to defect. He intended to pull off a mutiny and got himself kicked out. He clearly believed in the cause and had some fondness for his teammates, but thought (quite understandably at the time) that Megatron screwed it up so badly that someone else needed to take over immediately.

 

Comic Dinobot is so good so quickly that it's hard to believe he joined this crew in the first place. It's hard to have confidence in where his story might be going when it already feels like something isn't right.

I agree mostly, but I can see 'Don't support torture' and wanting an 'honorable fight' as part of Cartoon Dinobot even near the start. Cartoon Dinobot wouldn't condone what happened to Nyx here at the end with the Transformation lock and not being able to fight back. But he also feels as other say too good and too pure, and this still feels like its trying to be both like the cartoon and not like the cartoon at the same damn time. This isn't 1:1 The Web, but its still pretty much The Web.


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Posted 19 April 2021 - 06:48 PM

I'll need to see him interacting with the Maximals before I decide on whether or not they're doing well with Dinobot.

Like, ostenisbly, he's a good man who joined up with a less scrupulous revolutionary group for the betterment of his people, which will require there to actually be some kind of suffering on the part of the predacons to justify those actions.

He should still have friction with the Maximals, but ultimately side with them because Megatron is going too far, and there's no other authority or power to oppose him while stranded on NotEarth.

Whether or not they actually thread that needle is another story.

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Posted 20 April 2021 - 02:13 AM

Cartoon Dinobot wouldn't have liked this either but he was still a Predacon who wouldn't have liked this. He believed in the cause and had feelings for the crew and was willing to stick around with them as long as Megatron wasn't in charge anymore.

 

The difference is that in three issues we never saw the side of this Dinobot that ever believed in the cause or ever fit in with these guys. The entirety of his existence has been disagreeing with whatever another Predacon is saying at the moment.


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Posted 20 April 2021 - 10:03 AM

"What are you doing? You'd won."
"You slipped. To defeat you in such a manner would be lacking in honor. I would not have earned the right to lead. I prefer to beat my opponents the old fashioned way—BRUTALLY!"
[The two resume fighting]
"For a Predacon, Dinobot, you have qualities I could like."
"And you, ahh, have proved to be a worthy adversary. I will have you recycled with full honors."
"Well, that's. Just. Prime!"
 
Bolded the important parts that this comic seems to be forgetting about Cartoon Dinobot.
 
Honorable or not, he was also a savage. Despite his insistence for fair combat, he was aiming to murder Optimus Primal and skewer his body for spare parts. He believed that Maximals used torture chambers. He was willing to execute the defeated, helpless Silverbolt in "Coming of the Fuzors", only sparing him when Cheetor and Rattrap stopped him, disgusted by their "defective" "Maximal sentiment". And he was even willing to go back to Megatron once his original error in planetfall was proven correct after all.
 
My only hope for this more "righteous Predacon" Dinobot is that he still doesn't immediately join the Maximals next issue, but rather first isolates himself as lone wolf unaligned with either faction, kinda like when Prime Starscream struck out on his own. And in the words of Prime Dreadwing (whose arc this Dinobot also echoes, but on fast-forward), "Betraying my kind is not the same as accepting yours." Let him choose to remain with no one for at least issue 4, ultimately joining the Maximals no earlier than either the very end of that issue or in 5 or 6, after some meaningful convincing (probably on Nyx's part, since he saved her). After all, even Cartoon Dinobot was willing to go it alone at the end of "Maximal, No More" if the Maximals wouldn't take him back after his betraying them: "If you will not have me, I will fight Megatron alone."

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Posted 20 April 2021 - 11:10 AM

Dinobot also manipulated and treated Cheetor as utterly disposable in the fourth episode of the show, all to blow up his former comrades.



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Posted 20 April 2021 - 04:57 PM

Cartoon Dinobot is introduced wanting to shoot down the Axalon, while Megatron doesn't want to do it just yet.

 

Comic Dinobot is now the one with the excuse why they can't shoot down the Axalon just yet.

 

It's a small thing but it means this Dinobot never got to show that he has teeth before deciding the Predacons were going too far here.


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Posted 23 April 2021 - 07:06 PM

Apparently not everyone agrees with us on Dinobot:

 

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