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@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:41 AM)

Like, in general, not going into specific bands or covers. Because I could point out plenty of repainted toys I didn't like as much as the original, too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:39 AM)

Is a musician covering a song "fixing" it?

@  Nevermore : (17 May 2021 - 05:15 AM)

So, then, isn't redecoing or retooling an existing toy also "fixing" someone else's art?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

@  Xero Prime : (15 May 2021 - 09:09 PM)

English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 08:07 PM)

English needs to revive book in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 04:00 PM)

English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 03:42 PM)

English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

@  CORVUS : (15 May 2021 - 02:21 PM)

English needs to revive Morn in everyday text

@  Nevermore : (15 May 2021 - 12:38 PM)

English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 09:46 AM)

English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

@  Bass X0 : (15 May 2021 - 09:45 AM)

English needs to revive Gort in everyday text

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 May 2021 - 06:52 AM)

English needs to revive bort in everyday text

@  Telly : (15 May 2021 - 01:12 AM)

English needs to revive bork in everyday text

@  NovaSaber : (15 May 2021 - 12:15 AM)

English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (14 May 2021 - 09:34 PM)

English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 May 2021 - 09:26 PM)

English needs to revive porn in everyday text.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 May 2021 - 09:10 PM)

English needs to revive þorn in everyday text.

@  Patch : (14 May 2021 - 05:53 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.


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Beast Wars! 1995 McDonald’s Toy Document Gives Us a Look at Early Development and Unused Toy Concepts!

Beast Wars McDonalds Happy Meal Hasbro Kenner 1995 Concept Design Document Unreleased History

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#21 Sabrblade

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Posted 30 December 2020 - 12:27 AM

In addition to the pre-Cheetor Prowl/cougar concept, the Beast Generations book also has a retool of the mold as a lion, much like the Happy Meal toy concept seen here:

 

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However, whereas this one is Optimus, the one seen in the book is not. Rather, its robot head is a generic one with a large visor worn over its face, while its mutant head is very freaky-looking and covered in spikes pointing in all directions.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 30 December 2020 - 12:52 AM

To go with what some of you are saying, I find it interesting to see how the brand was approached over the subsequent months to 1996 and the formal launch of Beast Wars.

 

Under Hasbro, perhaps because they never invested in new media to sell the toys, they tended to rely heavily on established characters (or at least character NAMES) to help sell product in ways I’m not sure they even did AS heavily in GI Joe.  Optimus Prime and Megatron were the central key characters to marketing (with guys like Starscream, Soundwave, Jazz, Prowl and Bumblebee being strong supporters).  In 1995, there were planned to be FOUR different Optimus Prime toys across almost all major price points.  Megatron wasn’t far behind with 3.  Then again, maybe all those variations in different price categories were viewed as cannibalizing each others’ potential sales?

 

Kenner, perhaps because they DID have a core media, no longer felt the need to have those core characters as heavily available.  Or more likely, focused all the attention on the larger and more profitable iterations than flooding the market with different variations of Primal and Megatron.  This could also be the beginnings of the idea of Transformers the toy category (which they tried to capitalize on with Animorphs), rather than Transformers the character franchise.



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Posted 30 December 2020 - 10:02 AM

Are you saying that Hasbro and Kenner were working on Beast Wars somewhat independently? Or that Hasbro gave it to Kenner partway through development?

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Posted 30 December 2020 - 03:17 PM

Are you saying that Hasbro and Kenner were working on Beast Wars somewhat independently? Or that Hasbro gave it to Kenner partway through development?

No, I was a little tired when I posted that ramble :p

 

It feels like, with that documentation, that Kenner was initially following Hasbro's established direction when they shifted development to Beast Wars.  Kenner obviously decided to change up the formula with the shift to realistic animal modes, but it also feels like they were just following the broad marketing design decisions Hasbro was making in those last couple years of Generation 2.  I was postulating that because Hasbro never opted to invest in new media to rally their brand behind, they were falling back to established names to help sell toys.  Kenner may not have finalized their cartoon plans for Beast Wars by that point, so early development was following similar marketing patterns Hasbro had been using: lots of Megatron and Optimus toys to help sell more toys.  Once a TV series was finalized, there wasn't a need to make a bunch of different variations when they could sell the big expensive toys regularly featured on the cartoon series.

Then again, maybe this was just for McDonalds sake since those two were about the only major characters the Transformers brand could lay claim to by that point



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Posted 28 April 2021 - 11:03 PM

These McDonald's concepts are wonderful, and I hope they all become characters someday.

 

In addition to the pre-Cheetor Prowl/cougar concept, the Beast Generations book also has a retool of the mold as a lion, much like the Happy Meal toy concept seen here:

 

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I even hope the lion Optimus concept gets revived for something despite being superseded by Lio Convoy in Beast Wars II.


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Posted 29 April 2021 - 09:14 AM

It most likely lead to the development of not just Lio Convoy but Under-3 as well.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 29 April 2021 - 11:21 AM

It most likely lead to the development of not just Lio Convoy but Under-3 as well.

 

Also, surprisingly enough, the Indianapolis Interstate 465 Loop and band Queens of the Stone Age.



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Posted 29 April 2021 - 03:25 PM

The way I see it, more McDonald's characters could follow the simple naming trend set by the final 1996 toys of Panther, Beetle, Rhino, and Manta Ray.

 

lion Optimus Prime - Lion

sea turtle Megatron - Sea Turtle

dragonfly Megatron - Dragonfly

early Iguanus - Lizard

early Scorponok - Scorpion

 

As there is no deco attached to this early Scorponok concept, "Scorpion" could take on the prototype colours glimpsed in catalogue shots for Mega Class Scorponok alongside the Polar Claw deco that became Grizzly-1.


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Posted 01 May 2021 - 08:45 AM

These are exceptional.

Also looking at roboticplanettoys Instagram makes me crave a beast wars art book even more, I didn't think that was possible.
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