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@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!


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#1 Maruten

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Posted 13 July 2020 - 06:36 PM

(W) Simon Furman (A/CA) Guido Guidi

 

Simon Furman returns! The beloved writer, accompanied by the equally accomplished Guido Guidi and John-Paul Bove, returns to tell a new tale in the original Transformers comic universe, hot off the heels of the successful Transformers '84 #0 one-shot! As the Cybertronian Civil War rages, Decepticon scientist Shockwave has encountered a new obstacle to the Decepticon's victory and subjugation of the planet: an obstacle called... Megatron!

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 04:02 AM

That's it?

 

What if the Dinobot's had a pre-existing rivalry with Shockwave?

 

What if Jetfire used to be another guy, but he had amnesia so it didn't matter?

 

If Shockwave hates Megatron, why did he repair him and make him his minion? If he views him as such a big threat to the Decepticons, why putting him in a position where he can mess up?


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#3 Wildwade

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 04:46 AM

Pure fanwank, but entertaining in its way.  Still don't like the "Optimus KNEW it was a suicide mission" angle, but I'm fine with the other retcons.  Guido's art is fab, as expected.

 

I laughed at the one panel of Megatron complaining Shockwave wasn't there at the Nemesis launch site.  I'm sure it's not intended that way, but the pose made him look like a spoiled kid or something and everyone in the background looked uncomfortable at his temper tantrum.  "Shockwave should be HERE!  HERE!  I WANT HIM!" 



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Posted 15 July 2020 - 06:00 AM

I thought it was fun. Always happy to see him embracing a Furmanism, and we got one on the first page. At four issues I don't think it will outstay its welcome.

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#5 Salt-Man Z

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 11:50 AM

Completely unnecessary and totally enjoyable. Seems to mesh much more seamlessly with Marvel G1 than #0 did. Guido's art is of course a delight. And the commentary at the end calling out links to old G1/UK/BW/DW/IDW material was a nice touch.
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#6 Prime Radiant

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 06:45 PM

Probably because I've been re-reading Marvel G1, but I enjoyed this. It's really a shame that this wasn't Regeneration One, as it fits together with the parent series nicely.


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#7 Bass X0

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 05:17 PM

That's it?

 

What if the Dinobot's had a pre-existing rivalry with Shockwave?

 

What if Jetfire used to be another guy, but he had amnesia so it didn't matter?

 

If Shockwave hates Megatron, why did he repair him and make him his minion? If he views him as such a big threat to the Decepticons, why putting him in a position where he can mess up?

 

It is a prequel. Can't stray too far from the source material. Although knowing Furman, he will likely throw in some twists later on, with this first issue being a simple normal story compared to what is to come. I don't know what. I'd be surprised if he did play it completely straight.


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#8 Wildwade

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Posted 16 July 2020 - 06:01 PM

I'm wondering if we're gonna see Beast Wars characters somehow... what with the Coneheads being on the Nemesis and Simon's original plan for those episodes...



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Posted 17 July 2020 - 05:03 AM

Doesn't really fit the comics though, the coneheads are members of the Ten Deadliest Killers on Cybertron so they need to either not actually get on the Nemesis or not get very far and fly home.



#10 Wildwade

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 11:30 AM

Doesn't really fit the comics though, the coneheads are members of the Ten Deadliest Killers on Cybertron so they need to either not actually get on the Nemesis or not get very far and fly home.

The annotations make note that they ARE on the Nemesis, so some kind of shenanigans are going to take place.



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Posted 20 July 2020 - 07:09 AM

Glad to see Whats In a Name is still in continuity with this and hopefully, by extension all the UK stories.

Great to see Ratbat hanging about, though it might have been nice to see a young Straxus or Trannis somewhere. Being greedy there, perhaps! Guidos art remains beautiful throughout.

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Posted 28 July 2020 - 10:00 AM

I mainly want to read this for Guido's art. Simon can do as he wishes. There's enough different Transformers Universes that these retcons or wild takes no longer bother me.
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