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@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P


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#21 Powered Convoy

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:10 AM

The conehead version of the mold is overall a pretty solid improvement except for the fact that he nosecone just hangs limply on the back.  A peg would have helped an awful lot.

 
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There is a peg to secure the nosecone on that mold. It pegs into the jet kibble piece that covers it on the figure's back.
For the conehead version there isn't a hole in the nosecone for the back flap to peg into. The peg still exists but no hole. On the '84 style seekers there is a hole.

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:14 AM

Twice the price, three times the complexity and a third of the detail!


There was a time when I was eagerly waiting for this announcement since I didn't like the previous MP Starscreams or their repaints/remolds. And couldn't talk myself into getting any of them.

But, uh, yeah. What Ryco says is definitely blunting my enthusiasm.

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:18 AM

 

The conehead version of the mold is overall a pretty solid improvement except for the fact that he nosecone just hangs limply on the back.  A peg would have helped an awful lot.

 

:???

 

There is a peg to secure the nosecone on that mold. It pegs into the jet kibble piece that covers it on the figure's back.

 

 

* examines toy *

* checks video reviews *

 

You crazy.



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 10:22 AM

 

 

The conehead version of the mold is overall a pretty solid improvement except for the fact that he nosecone just hangs limply on the back.  A peg would have helped an awful lot.

 

:???

 

There is a peg to secure the nosecone on that mold. It pegs into the jet kibble piece that covers it on the figure's back.

 

 

* examines toy *

* checks video reviews *

 

You crazy.

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 11:20 AM

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WHOA.

WHAT.

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 02:50 PM

  I think that I might have been interested in an updated MP Seeker a few years ago, but I just can't bring myself to care much about MPs anymore.  While they are nice to look at, I never wanted to transform them for fear of breaking them, so they just sat there.  My lack of interest coupled with the rising prices was enough for me to call it a day on the line.

 

 I still love the way that MP-11 Starscream looks, particularly with the cape and crown.  However, I am happy for those who might like an updated, cartoon-accurate MP Starscream and all of the repaints that are likely to come over the ensuing years. 



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 03:11 PM

The new Starscream will cost $700 and include a transforming Optimus Prime suit.



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:22 PM

The new Starscream will cost $700 and include a transforming Optimus Prime suit.

 

You probably think you're joking, but the last MP version of Optimus Prime was $599.95 Canadian on Ages Three and Up.

 

I bet I could buy an actual Peterbilt that doesn't run for the same amount . . .



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:26 PM

I dunno, prices on the truck might have gone up since it appeared in Earthrise.



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Posted 06 July 2020 - 04:57 PM

I've been expecting a 3.0 announcement. There is much to improve on the MP-11 mold. Better articulation, more cartoon accuracy in line with recent releases, a level chest/canopy under the head, and a wider more toon accurate head. But no seems to have gotten the head right yet. They always make this tiny narrow face inside a huge helmet. The toon's face is much wider with a less imposing helmet. The original artist misconception on the cover of the MP-3 card would be near perfect except for the useless sword holders. I'm hoping third time finally nails it. 


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 05:42 PM

Twice the price, three times the complexity and a third of the detail!

There was a time when I was eagerly waiting for this announcement since I didn't like the previous MP Starscreams or their repaints/remolds. And couldn't talk myself into getting any of them.

But, uh, yeah. What Ryco says is definitely blunting my enthusiasm.
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Posted 06 July 2020 - 07:32 PM

I think that I might have been interested in an updated MP Seeker a few years ago, but I just can't bring myself to care much about MPs anymore.  While they are nice to look at, I never wanted to transform them for fear of breaking them, so they just sat there.  My lack of interest coupled with the rising prices was enough for me to call it a day on the line.

 

Yeah, the rise in costs coupled with my lack of desire to watch "Here's how to avoid and/or fix crippling QC issues" videos have kind of soured me on the Masterpiece line.


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Posted 06 July 2020 - 08:53 PM

If they have elaborate plastic origami to hide the jet wings and produce a second set of smaller wings to be more show accurate to one specific scene? Im in. Gotta support the troll-y madness

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 09:49 PM

I never replaced V1 Skywarp because I didn't think the update was enough to import. I'm hard-pressed to imagine the current pricing trends will be worth starting fresh for me either.
 
 
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Posted 07 July 2020 - 05:12 PM

I really disliked a lot of the V1 design (the head, the hip kibble, the thin legs, etc.), so I passed on all those without a second thought. V2 certainly carried over some flaws from V1, but it hit the point where I felt it looked good, looked like the characters, and had no flaws that were dealbreakers. So since V2 already hit the point of being good enough to get me to invest in them, I think V3 would have to hit a pretty high bar to get me to consider it.

 

I guess these are probably the bare minimums it would take to get me to consider it. Most of these should be no-brainers.

 

  • Better body proportions. Less cockpit, more everything else.
  • A better handling of the cockpit. Have the entire cockpit on his chest? Fine. Have only part of it with both the top and bottom truncated? Fine. But the MP-11 design, where only the bottom gets cut off, just doesn't quite look right.
  • Better hips. I'm pretty good with the MP-11 legs from the mid-thigh swivel down, but the top of the thighs need work.
  • A much better way of handling his sides. The side pieces swiveling up to fill in where the cockpit was works, but I think they're the worst part of the design in practice.
  • Wings that more naturally blend with the body. I appreciate how the wings sweep up, but don't particularly like the gap created when you swivel them up. I could do without the points hanging down too.
  • Detachable guns. I can appreciate the concept of the guns remaining attached during transformation, but it's just not worth it.
  • Better feet. MP-11's feet are ok, but they can certainly do better.
  • A fun, reasonable transformation. Maybe the most important thing. MP-11 was still in the era where I could transform it a couple times with the directions, put him aside for a few years, and then come back and easily transform him from memory. With more recent MPs, I keep the instructions where I can get to them any time I decide to transform them. If this is an overly complicated mess involving folding each tail fin 7 times in just the right sequence so it can be stashed away where it won't ruin that perfect Sunbow silhouette, I'm almost certainly out. I can deal with that when I have to, but I'm betting this is the one that's going to have me deciding MP-11 is the better choice, just like how I prefer MP-10 over MP-44.


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Posted 07 July 2020 - 05:57 PM

I just realized that since this one will focus on show accuracy, it'll be the first Starscream toy in who knows how long without turbine nipples.

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Posted 07 July 2020 - 06:43 PM

Honestly all I really need to be happy is a torso that actually locks together in robot mode. When structural points are weak and floppy really grind my gears. I should probably sell my current seeker trio now before the market really drops.



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Posted 08 July 2020 - 12:11 AM

I just realized that since this one will focus on show accuracy, it'll be the first Starscream toy in who knows how long without turbine nipples.

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We shall see.

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Posted 08 July 2020 - 09:26 AM

 

I just realized that since this one will focus on show accuracy, it'll be the first Starscream toy in who knows how long without turbine nipples.
 


We shall see.

 

 

This was probably my second thought/hope. But yeah we'll see.

I still think IGear's fixes to the original MP Seeker mold were pretty good; they managed to get rid of the "scabbards" and kept the tilting foot that allows for better posing. It's why I never bothered picking up the official Coneheads. 

 

And that's the other reality-check for me - I really don't want to be in for SIX of these to match aesthetics, so it's even less likely that I'll bite. But hey, if you're new to the MP game and hadn't bothered picking these up already - good for you!


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Posted 27 July 2020 - 07:12 AM

From Figure King #270. He's considered v2.0 since MP-11 is more like v1.5.
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