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@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2020 - 02:47 AM)

Fake news, no shinobi.

@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?


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#1 LioConvoy

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 12:07 AM

With Hasbro regularly re-issuing various G1 stuff, I have to ask; why not Beast Wars?

Next year will be its 25th anniversary, and there are some figures (like TM Megatron) that could stand to be released again due to how theyre deteriorated over the years.

Also, it would be neat, and Id like that.

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 12:28 AM

We did get reissues back in 2006. But of course, that was under a different Hasbro team than the current one.

 

Though, we did get those unexpected redecos of the Terrorsaur and Guiledart molds in the AOE toyline.

 

And Takara reissued the Ultra class Optimus Primal mold (complete with its Beast Wars Reborn retoolings) back at the beginning of the Legends line, as well as reissuing the Big Convoy mold three times between Encore and Legends.

 

 

It also doesn't help that Beast Wars happens to share its anniversary years with those of TFTM, since Beast Wars itself first came out during the tenth anniversary of that movie. So, a lot more attention is given to celebrating that movie's anniversaries than Beast Wars's anniversaries due to a seeming consistent preference of honoring G1 above all else by the current Hasbro team. At least IDW's got its new Beast Wars comics coming next year.


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 01:29 AM

It's a remarkably consistent pattern in nostalgia lines, most likely thanks to the first generation being around longer, being more recognizable, and being the source for most demand.

 

Star Trek's original series gets more love than the arguably more popular The Next Generation, while the newest shows have practically no merchandise.   Star Wars' original trilogy tends to take over whenever the "new content" runs its course, leaving the prequels, TV projects, and sequels in the lurch.   Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers always seems to take the forefront on new preschool lines, too.  I guess it's because a lot of the toys go to the kids, but toy companies know mom and/or dad buy the things.   G.I. Joe may be one of the few exceptions, because the 1982 generation really did make such a big, long impact that we're still feeling its effects with yet another nostalgia line based on it while the 12-inch dudes have largely been relegated to the dust bins of history.

 

I'd nudge you - or indeed anyone, for any toy line - to make a fuss over it.  We're only just now seeing Kenner-style Real Ghostbusters reissues, Hasbro US has been slow on the G1 reissues and Star Wars Kenner remakes, Mattel did some MOTU reissues a long while  back, and I can tell you that Hasbro does indeed listen when fans get together and demand things - especially specific things.   If they see a sudden petition for a reissue of an older toy or a new version of it, they have been pretty good about discussing it and in some cases, finding a way to make it happen.   I  know I'd love to see an improved Transmetals Megatron or an all-new toy based on the original design with hopefully non-crumbly bits and non-flaky paint, but going back to that law of franchises, I doubt that'd be where Hasbro starts if and when Beast Wars gets back in their good graces.   Unless, of course, fan outcry kicks in.



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 04:46 AM

I did like those Telemocha Beast Wars repaints. Takara should reissue them and some more that they hadn't done originally. Original 1996 Hasbro colors? Not worth reissuing. 


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 06:03 AM

Some of the original molds are probably worn out beyond use by now, or just lost or buried in a warehouse. And frankly, a lot of them aren't really worth the premium they'd cost for a reissue when the originals aren't hard to find at a reasonable price.



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 06:12 AM

There isn't the same level of nostalgia for them. As much as we like it, it never reached the same level of pop culture impact that would justify premium rereleases of molds that don't hold up well. G1 molds don't hold up well either, but thanks to nostalgia goggles, more people will buy them than a $30 deinonychus in non show accurate colours, who's as wide as he is tall.

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 07:23 AM

the trend of 80s nostalgia is gonna be locked in for a while. 

the cartoons of the 80s were aggressive marketing incarnate. stories and characters designed to sell cheap plastic toys.

nowadays that marketing push is aimed at selling Fortnight Lootboxes.

have you seen toy aisles these days? no where near the brand/franchise diversity of the 80s and 90s.

 

the 80s kids are in their 40s and 50s now. they've established themselves in the workforce, and they have a significant disposable income.

the 90s kids and their juniors haven't been so lucky. a job market crowded with previous generations who refuse to retire means lucrative careers are harder to find than a non-broken G2 Electro. and they've had to deal with 3 market crashes and more on the way.

 

so yeah, i just dont see the 90s nostalgia market ever overtaking the 80s nostalgia market.



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 07:59 AM

My completely unfounded hypothesis was that Kenner handling BW rather than Hasbro proper led to the molds being labeled as such and being placed in a different storage area or otherwise lost in the shuffle over the years.

 

That, or the articulation-heavy ball joint-happy designs were much harder on the steel molds than the G1 bricks of brickitude.


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:03 AM

I'd prefer to see more Beast Wars MP projects instead.

 

 

fingers crossed for Airazor; that would be neat.


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:32 AM

I'd rather they just be rolled into generations, put through the g1 filter if necessary like the headmaster era beasts. Give me jetwinged robogryphon Silverbolt, even if it's only a Wolfwire retool.

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:36 AM

As mentioned: there have been re-releases (10th anniversary, tele-mocha, Big Convoy...), G1 was bigger/more nostalgia for it.

 

But also, there may be a handful(TM Megatron, original Rattrap), of original BW molds that are pricey on the secondary market, but not all that many. (And some molds would have to be re-created, original Rattrap was supposedly planned for 10th anniversary but the mold was lost/unuseable) It is a finite world, there are finite resources, so the concept of "opportunity costs" exists. Hasbro/TT could theoretically do BW reissues, but could they spend the same resources on something else that would be *more* profitable? Probably.

 

Given current costs, how much would BW reissues cost? A BW Ultra mass & parts count might be as much as or even more than a current leader class. Want to pay $50-$60 for a retail BW Ultra? How many BW Ultras go for more than that on the secondary market?



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:49 AM

With the retail space what it is, an important question is also 'Who would carry the line?' As the attempted Animated restart line showed, if there's no takers, it's not going to happen.

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 08:58 AM

They've been hinting at plans for the BW anniversary next year in several recent interviews.

Whether that boils down to reissues or new toys in generations remains to be seen.

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Posted 16 June 2020 - 09:44 AM

Some of the original molds are probably worn out beyond use by now, or just lost or buried in a warehouse. And frankly, a lot of them aren't really worth the premium they'd cost for a reissue when the originals aren't hard to find at a reasonable price.

That is pretty much what I was thinking. A quick ebay search shows over 1000 MISB/MOSC listings for Beast wars toys and they aren't that expensive.


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 09:48 AM

the attempted Animated restart line

 

The what, now? :???


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Posted 16 June 2020 - 11:53 AM


With Hasbro regularly re-issuing various G1 stuff, I have to ask; why not Beast Wars?

 

 

Because they tried that once and they didn't exactly fly off the shelves?



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 12:07 PM

i adore beast wars. it's what got me in to the franchise (even though i had a g2 seaspray first and liked my younger brother's transformers). but i am content not getting reissues. the previous anniversary line was nice, and those upgrade primal and megatron figures with the axalon and darksyde were great. if hasbro went that way to make some of the figures a little more show accurate like tm cheetor, rattrap, and tarantulas, i'd buy em. but i'd really like a new line, do something like classic characters from the show, a few select upgrades from the rest of the line, and infuse a few new characters



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 12:34 PM

 

the attempted Animated restart line

 

The what, now? :???

 

 

I had the same question. The only thing I could think of was the BotCon set. 



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 12:43 PM

 

With Hasbro regularly re-issuing various G1 stuff, I have to ask; why not Beast Wars?

 

 

Because they tried that once and they didn't exactly fly off the shelves?

 

Yeah, happened around the time G1 reissues puttered out because they weren't flying off shelves :p



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Posted 16 June 2020 - 02:33 PM

 

the attempted Animated restart line

 

The what, now? :???

 

There was talk here a while ago that when Animated started being repeated, Hasbro went to retailers trying to find anyone interested in rereleases of some of the toys, but nobody bit and that was as far as it went.





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