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@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 08:14 AM)

Nothing of importance has happened before, and nothing of importance will happen again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 08:12 AM)

Nothing of importance happened today.

@  Telly : (03 July 2020 - 09:54 PM)

i want a "i survived 'rona and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 July 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Slogan for 2021: "I Lived, Bitch."

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

They should make the next book in the Survivors series 'I SURVIVED CORONA VIRUS 2020'

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

YEEEE I'M A SURVIVOR-

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:59 AM)

Probably gonna assemble Devastator after work.

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:58 AM)

Ooooh. Overload arrived. He's surprisingly fun.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 04:00 PM)

He's sweeter than the average bear.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 July 2020 - 03:14 PM)

Convert him to Maple Syrup.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 03:10 PM)

what would Canada do with Yogi?

@  Cyoti : (01 July 2020 - 12:51 PM)

We can deport Yogi back to Canada now.

@  Sabrblade : (01 July 2020 - 12:50 PM)

Jellystone National Pawk. A westful wetweat.

@  Rycochet : (01 July 2020 - 12:47 PM)

Jellystone. We're going to be plunged into a decade of poor animation. Fortunately we've been led by bad cartoon characters for years so we won't notice much difference.

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 July 2020 - 06:19 AM)

what next? YELLOWSTONE?

@  Nevermore : (01 July 2020 - 05:46 AM)

Thanks, dead person.

@  Bass X0 : (01 July 2020 - 05:06 AM)

congratulations to all survivors of the first half of 2020.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 10:21 PM)

21 for me, but after numerous repetitions I got it down to 17 and a half.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 06:16 PM)

I transform in six steps from human to human sitting on my ass at the computer and back again!

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 June 2020 - 05:55 PM)

x-x when in vehicle mode we can travel much F A R T H E R-

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 05:52 PM)

Because despite the fact that we can travel around the world in the time it takes to get a good nights sleep and a couple of meals: people rarely wander more than 25 miles away from home for the duration of their lives.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I don't know how many days that trip takes - especially while sightseeing - but explaining they're 3936 kilometers (2445 miles) apart gives an idea, paradoxically because it is too large to easily picture.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:44 PM)

Aye.  When I catch lay people discussing miles and not how long the trip takes, it is in an attempt to stress how far away something is... like NYC to LA.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

But I can imagine 45 *minutes* easily.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

I can imagine a mile, it's a distance I've run. I can't really imagine 45 miles.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:19 PM)

I think there's also an element of the thing where things that are much bigger than us all blur together.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:49 AM)

If you're not, then you're more concerned with how long it takes.  Actual distance doesn't tell you that very well.  Besides traffic and road conditions, you'll need to know what kind of driving (city/interstate/rural/etc.).

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:47 AM)

Distance matters if you're being paid by the mile.

@  TM2-Megatron : (30 June 2020 - 11:44 AM)

Canadians are the same way, for the most part. If you're driving somewhere far, especially, it helps you plan out the day more than a distance in KM would.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:42 AM)

We use the time it takes to get someplace because that is what is relevant to us.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Because even we can't figure out miles half the time.

@  Paladin : (30 June 2020 - 09:54 AM)

it's a big country with a lot of empty space. between our citizens' ears.

@  Bass X0 : (30 June 2020 - 09:52 AM)

Why do most Americans measure distance by hours of driving?

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 07:26 PM)

And as a result the world's lone blu-ray release of the film, an Australian disc that came out 7 years ago, now goes for hundreds of dollars on eBay. Thanks Disney.

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 06:21 PM)

Well, they censored Daryl Hannah's butt in Splash :rolleyes

@  Paladin : (29 June 2020 - 05:43 PM)

maybe New Mutants is too bad even for D+.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 June 2020 - 05:00 PM)

X-Men films are coming to Disney+ next month. But will they censor Hugh Jackman's butt?

@  -LittleAutob... : (29 June 2020 - 12:44 PM)

Pft.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 11:59 AM)

Behold! Night Strike Galvatron!

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 09:53 AM)

I will grant you a recolored body, and recolored troops to command.

@  Cybersnark : (29 June 2020 - 09:47 AM)

I don't want to be reissued. This body sucks, I wanna be updated.

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 09:43 AM)

I definitely don't intend to be reissued. Nobody would buy me.

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 08:31 AM)

will anybody else attempt to be reissued?

@  wonko the sane? : (29 June 2020 - 07:51 AM)

*Gasp* Decepticons re-writing history to serve their own needs?!?!

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 05:48 AM)

The whole point of the DJD is that they're fanatical Megatron fanboys (especially Tarn) to the point of having their own headcanon taking priority of the actual canon, simply speaking.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 04:01 AM)

They didn't know the war was over until later. And then they denied it anyway.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 June 2020 - 10:47 PM)

"He's comin' right for us!"

@  Telly : (28 June 2020 - 08:40 PM)

was that even still in effect once the war ended?

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 June 2020 - 06:51 PM)

According to Roberts, soldiers can ignore the order to spare Whirl if he's directly threatening them. But mostly the DJD were out of their heads on Nuke and not really caring much at the time.

@  Xaaron : (28 June 2020 - 06:41 PM)

Also, they were hopped up on goofballs at the time.


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#41 CORVUS

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Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:03 PM

Episodic with some character growth? Make it so!

 

Er, wait. 

 

Hit it!


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Posted 17 May 2020 - 12:39 PM

This is something I had hoped for during Discovery but had no expectation of actually getting. I'm pretty happy about this. Since I've been watching TOS on a binge all the way through it will be a great take to see it all presented just a bit before. I was never dissatisfied *overall* about the sets and ship interiors of the original show, but these updated versions have grown on me a bit. The major points are still there in design. I still don't think it was necessary to go to THAT extreme, but I'll cope. Watching TNG after Picard made a lot of stuff from THAT era looked "dated" by comparison in how they did the designs and camera work. I guess it's just time to move on with it and accept the change as time in the real world passes. 



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 01:11 PM

As someone who adores TOS, the franchise needs to stop being beholden to a vision of the future from the 1960s.

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Posted 17 May 2020 - 02:33 PM

I mean, I adore the DS9 tibbles episode for just accepting that's just how things looked, 60s retro and all. Like, that was always the appeal, to me, with the idea of a prequel but I've had a few years to accept discovery is what it is so I've more or less gotten over it.

It's just, I always felt if you set something in a different era that's already been established, that you should have it look like that era.

It'd be like doing a WWII movie and all the vehicles, weapons and uniforms have been redesigned because they looked outdated.

Again, I've had a few years to accept discovery looks how it does (which was sooo off putting to me initially) and I'm behind the concept of this show, so I'll roll with it. It will be nice to see an Enterprise again.
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Posted 17 May 2020 - 02:40 PM

Yeah, that's where I'm coming to terms. I agree wholeheartedly about both the DS9 and the Enterprise time periods visiting the TOS era and it looking like how it's always looked. The show creators seem to think that if they make it look like that then it will be laughed off the screen and no one will watch - and maybe they're right. But that's what happened to Discovery anyway by large, especially in the first season. 

 

Like I said though, looking at that thumbnail I can see all the *elements* of the TOS era bridge in there from the captain's chair, the science station viewer and even those weird panels across the top with obviously useless blinking lights. 

 

The uniforms are different materials but they are the same general layout in design. I'm going to stomach it and give it a chance as long as they don't go off the walls with all the holographic viewers and such that Discovery did (and Pike made it a point to remove them). 

 

Could do without the Jar Jar Abrams lens flare fetish though. 



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 02:49 PM

See the difference though, Nick, is that WWII happened. Star Trek happened in the 60s, but it's not set in the 60s. There's no reason for a show being made in the 2020s to be restricted to the design work that was then available any more than it should be restricted to 1960s camera equipment. 

 

"Trials and Tribble-ations" is a beautiful, masterful thing. The masterful thing about it that all of its energies were spent gloriously, lovingly, and gleefully accomplishing was authentically placing itself within a 1960s TV show. It would be preferable for an entire new series not to do so.

 

Edit: Or to put it a little more finely, we're talking about two points on a grade, not opposing poles, and every choice that moves in one direction or the other is a tradeoff; authenticity to nostalgia flair has an opportunity cost in the other things you're not doing instead, and the more focus it gets, the more that's the purpose of the project.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 17 May 2020 - 03:04 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 17 May 2020 - 03:02 PM

Another ideal solution would be to retcon the 60s look into being the 70s look. By the time the first motion picture was made everything, EVERY SINGLE THING was already completely revamped and rectonned into being different than it was a mere 10 years prior. And every single instance in TNG, for example, in which they look at stuff from 80-100 years prior it always looks like the movie universe and NOT the 60s TV show universe. 

 

I mean look at Star Wars - say what you want about The Last Jedi, but the Star Wars universe in 2019 looks exactly as it did in 1977. 



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 03:16 PM

Personally, I actually liked the redesign of the Enterprise bridge seen at the end of Discovery S2 (a lot more than the Trek '09 Enterprise bridge), so I really have no issues with the show using it. I'm with Copper as far as when it's the odd episode like "Trials and Tribble-ations", "In a Mirror, Darkly" or "Relics" that recreates an old set for the sheer fun and nostalgia of it, I enjoy it quite a bit. But an entire modern series using that set might be going a little bit too far.

 

Still don't like those Disco Klingons, though; a design change for absolutely no reason. Hope we don't see much of them in this new show. Time to explore some other territory... classic Romulans, Tholians, whatever. Perhaps we can get to see a little more of other core Federation species like the Andorians and Tellarites; maybe see how Denobulans and Xindi are faring in the TOS era.

 

And every single instance in TNG, for example, in which they look at stuff from 80-100 years prior it always looks like the movie universe and NOT the 60s TV show universe. 

 

 

Well, except the holodeck simulation of the 1701 bridge in Relics. TNG didn't try to pretend the 60s aesthetic didn't exist; they just rarely looked back quite far enough to actually see it.


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Posted 17 May 2020 - 03:22 PM

Yeah, that's where I'm coming to terms. I agree wholeheartedly about both the DS9 and the Enterprise time periods visiting the TOS era and it looking like how it's always looked. The show creators seem to think that if they make it look like that then it will be laughed off the screen and no one will watch - and maybe they're right.

 

But to me the question is then "Then why even do it?"

 

I can't recall how the bridge of the Enterprise looked on Discovery.  The uniforms and the ship I am okay with.  The former because they are close even though I really don't see any reason they couldn't match the old ones.  The latter because you can blame "Enterprise" if you want, but this ship is beautiful and also makes SENSE as a ship that could be refit into the Constitution-II model and it looks like something that would be made after the NX-01.  It just fits better and I'm willing to say that it is what the ship was supposed to look like in the Original Series.  To sum up, the error was made in the 60s, not today.


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Posted 17 May 2020 - 03:40 PM



 

I can't recall how the bridge of the Enterprise looked on Discovery.

 

 

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Posted 17 May 2020 - 03:46 PM

I would really prefer that it looked roughly the same, enough that I might have just forgotten that that was what it always looked like.



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 03:58 PM

See the difference though, Nick, is that WWII happened. Star Trek happened in the 60s, but it's not set in the 60s. There's no reason for a show being made in the 2020s to be restricted to the design work that was then available any more than it should be restricted to 1960s camera equipment. 
 
"Trials and Tribble-ations" is a beautiful, masterful thing. The masterful thing about it that all of its energies were spent gloriously, lovingly, and gleefully accomplishing was authentically placing itself within a 1960s TV show. It would be preferable for an entire new series not to do so.
 
Edit: Or to put it a little more finely, we're talking about two points on a grade, not opposing poles, and every choice that moves in one direction or the other is a tradeoff; authenticity to nostalgia flair has an opportunity cost in the other things you're not doing instead, and the more focus it gets, the more that's the purpose of the project.

See, I said I was over it and now you're digging up all these memories and feelings I've repressed.

These shows are used to get people (star trek fans) to sign up for a premium streaming service. I'm pretty sure that's the audience that will tolerate things looking like the 1960s sci fi show they have always loved. I mean, is anyone going to not watch a show about Spock and Pike because the ship they're in looks like the ship we've seen Spock and Pike in before?

And I'm not saying just because I'd like to revisit that era's aesthetics that I want the show to look like garbage. I'd want new fans to enjoy it too. The TOS high definition remasters are what I think about as far as a modern trek show taking place in that era looking like. Plus, you can do a lot with lighting to make an old design new again, and you can even add all the lense flares you want. Plus, it would be filmed like a modern show which would have given it an updated look, too.

I mean, if the goal was to mine us for nostalgia with these prequel series, there's no reason to revamp things like they have. Like, I'm not even arguing some of these changes look bad. I love the tos inspired/revised uniforms and that enterprise looks awesome. It's just, I'll probably never shake my love of historical accuracy, even when it comes to made up futures from the 1960s.

Edited by NICK NEMESIS, 17 May 2020 - 04:02 PM.

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Posted 17 May 2020 - 04:08 PM

On a set as cramped as the original TOS bridge, I'm not sure they really could film it as much like a modern show as they'd like.

 

The resdesigned bridge is larger, allowing for more freedom during production, but most of the basic design elements are there. The chair is roughly the same, the command pit, railings, the dark-ish theme with red accents. It's unmistakably inspired by the original bridge, and the "close, but modern" approach is good enough here that I'm not worried. Someone clearly put a lot of work into the new bridge. And thankfully, as Number One said, there'll no more holocommuncation. Ever.

 

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Posted 17 May 2020 - 04:20 PM

I think it does for the most part. The most glaring difference is that this version has black walls and black floors instead of grey.


Well shit, the floors were always black and I didn't even notice. Goes to show you how much it matters I guess after all. 



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 04:22 PM

I mean, if the goal was to mine us for nostalgia with these prequel series, there's no reason to revamp things like they have. 

Exactly. = / The only point of doing Star Trek: The Ride: The TV Show is to mine us for nostalgia. What they're doing is better.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 17 May 2020 - 04:23 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 17 May 2020 - 04:33 PM

Also, I'm pretty sure I just let my initital reactions to Discovery bleed in to what I was ranting about more so than this upcoming installment. That's on me.

Again, everything about this new show looks good. Hopefully the stories reciprocate.
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Posted 17 May 2020 - 04:34 PM

I should have specified my comment as being directed at new shows developed within this time period (ie the 23rd Century) and not everything going forward.

 

I don't want to see classic TOS buried and forgotten. But neither do I want the technology to be deliberately anachronistic.

 

That said, who knows. It might be wildly popular to have a modern science fiction show with deliberately dated looking technology and effects.



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 05:02 PM

There are shows that take place in the 80s that expect the viewer to realize it takes place in a different era. Stranger things have happened...
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Posted 17 May 2020 - 05:09 PM

The huge size is one of the main things I hate in modern-Trek design, actually. The captain shouldn't have to run laps to give orders to the bridge crew. (I also hate the modern conceit that the camera must be in constant motion. Stop trying to direct like Michael Bay.)

I mean, to go beyond Star Trek, did anybody watch FX's Legion? It spent a significant amount of time and effort to create a vaguely-60s "retro" styled alternate universe.



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Posted 17 May 2020 - 05:10 PM

Yeah but Stranger Things creatures are CGI, not creations of Stan Winston Studio.





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