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I watched L.I.L.Y.Cat on there a while back, it was surprisingly good.

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@Dekafox, no DTP, but they DO have LILY Cat ;)

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For me, it's "chocolate therapy".

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Tonight dough owns my soul.

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Stupid, delicious Ben & Jerry's.

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Ahh. I remember watching Bubblegum Crisis 2020 or whatever.

@  Dekafox : (21 February 2020 - 06:25 PM)

Next you'll say they have Dominion Tank Police and L.I.L.Y.Cat

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Bubblegum Crisis, going by several shouts down.

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BGC?

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Enjoy the fudgy icing of this Hostess Cup Cake!

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harlock is on tubi as well. not dubbed though :(

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Blugh, the english dub of BGC is atrocious.

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I might need to update my software, or they face regional limitations, cause I found no evidence of either.

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DUDE! Starcom and COPS are on Tubi too!

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Spiffy! The english dub of Bubblegum Crisis on Tubi. It's gotten so hard to find these oldies on modern streaming services.

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Galileo Galileo!

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Very very fright-ning me!

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*thunder and lightning*

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Ah, ah, ah!

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Already did. It didn't take long.

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Count Zero?

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Oh boy, here we go.

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:34 PM)

Or do Japan's cultural values vary depending on exactly who you're trying to shut down?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:33 PM)

Could it be that, perhaps, these different cultural values might lead to a different approach seeming appropriate?

@  ▲ndrusi : (19 February 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Hm. Back when we were arguing about the Legends comic, I seem to recall being repeatedly told that Japan had different cultural values than the US (and therefore anyone who had a problem with anything at all was wrong to voice that opinion ever).

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:23 AM)

Plus, as much as I hate to admit it, every single anime character is built to suit the audience's tastes so they buy more merch/do other things that allow $$$ to flow in the production committees direction, so the authenticity is certainly not for representation's sake.

@  fourteenwings : (19 February 2020 - 07:18 AM)

Both those anime air at midnight and are aimed at a very specific audience in a whole other media landscape. Major projects have press releases about almost everything, and there are groups just waiting to pat anybody on the back for doing what they want (GLAAD, HRC, etc)

@  B-Fox : (19 February 2020 - 03:16 AM)

It's funny that a friggin' anime about zombie idols and an anime about a school of anthropomorphic animals can have really positive trans characters WITHOUT a press release about their inclusion in the series prior to the episodes airing or having the creators announcing it on social media and patting themselves on the back for doing a thing.

@  TriBlurr : (18 February 2020 - 10:26 PM)

Vegan meat needs bacon

@  Paladin : (18 February 2020 - 08:43 PM)

vegan meat must taste delicious. they're grass-fed and regularly exercised....

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Vegans are better than kids if you don't talk to them. They'll keep the lawn trimmed anyway.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 06:02 PM)

Do you want vegans? Because that's how you get vegans.

@  CORVUS : (18 February 2020 - 04:33 PM)

Hook up your sprinkler system to a canister of healthy organic carrot-juice. The kids won't be able to get off your lawn fast enough.

@  TheMightyMol... : (18 February 2020 - 03:59 PM)

Just use the hose.

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 03:52 PM)

Ask bing. It'll be a FAR more effective answer.

@  TrnsfrmGod : (18 February 2020 - 03:26 PM)

Google, how do I get those durned kids off my lawn?

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Please ignore.  Old man here apparently doesn't know the difference between the "Search" field and the "Shoutbox" field.

 

Also doesn't know how to delete from the shoutbox

@  wonko the sane? : (18 February 2020 - 07:33 AM)

Huhn. Penny arcade was right, the division 2 is literally 3 dollars...

@  Steevy Maximus : (17 February 2020 - 11:05 PM)

Oh, Wicked Cool Toys got the Halo toy license. This is a big year for Jazwares

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iTunes/Apple TV has the complete Cowboy Bebop series for just $5!

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The Samsung Galaxy B-TOOM!

@  Paladin : (16 February 2020 - 07:20 PM)

business is booming.

@  wonko the sane? : (16 February 2020 - 06:49 PM)

SAmsung has you covered. Exploding phones.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Modern problems require modern solutions.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 February 2020 - 05:21 PM)

Japan seems to have a tradition of murder things where cellphones facilitate the killing instead. Like King's Game and Doubt.

@  TheMightyMol... : (16 February 2020 - 05:17 PM)

Or there's just conveniently no reception, or all of their phones are dead at the same time. Or they're just stupid and forget about them.

@  Patch : (16 February 2020 - 04:41 PM)

Now the slasher villain has to go and knock over the nearest cell tower before butchering horny teenagers.


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#61 Galenraff

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:32 PM

Fair enough. I'll admit, I know very little about GI Joe other than it's military-based. If those are more accurate comparisons, then I apologize for my examples not conveying what I'd hoped.

My basic point is that Transformers has a chance to really be something a lot bigger and better than it ever has been, whereas GI Joe won't ever have that opportunity - it is what it is, I think.

This is, of course, my opinion, based on reading what I thought was jealousy masked as hostility in that other thread.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:59 PM

well for some one who is unfamilier with the property its not that big of a deal.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:04 PM

Yeah, I don't really care too much. If they make a GI Joe movie, I'll go to support a Hasbro brand. Plus, plenty of the Joe guys were saying they'd come to the TF movie to do the same. I'd try and be a good citizen like that.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:39 PM

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GI Joe will never have that kind of a chance....GI Joe is forever relegated to where they are with no chance to move up.


I guess I shouldn't have thrown my crystal ball out when I moved. I had such high hopes for G.I.Joe. Guess I shouldn't even bother supporting it anymore, it's only gonna fail anyhow.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:55 PM

... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:59 PM

I think a GIJOE movie could work well provided they didn't mess with the core concept too much.. Group of Specialists, in a secret government counter- terrorism unit of some sort..





I just want John Malkovich to play cobra commander..

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE(Bermuda Mohawk @ Oct 27 2006, 01:39 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Oct 27 2006, 05:11 PM) View Post

GI Joe will never have that kind of a chance....GI Joe is forever relegated to where they are with no chance to move up.


I guess I shouldn't have thrown my crystal ball out when I moved. I had such high hopes for G.I.Joe. Guess I shouldn't even bother supporting it anymore, it's only gonna fail anyhow.

Hey, be fair here. I didn't say it would fail or isn't worth supporting. I just don't think it's going to get a chance to go to the big leagues like Transformers is. Transformers is such a unique concept, that it's worth a shot with.

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I think a GIJOE movie could work well provided they didn't mess with the core concept too much.. Group of Specialists, in a secret government counter- terrorism unit of some sort..

Now this is just my preferences showing here, but that just sounds like about a thousand other government specialist/spy/counter-terrorist movies from "Enemy of the State" to "I Spy" to "True Lies" to any number of others that I can't even think of right now. It just, to me, feels done as far as that genre goes.

It's still plenty viable as a cartoon series and toyline, I think. I just don't personally think it's got legs to ever go very mainstream. But I could be wrong - maybe they could do a big-deal movie with lots of star talent in the roles, with lots of cool vehicles and characters and action and stuff. If so, I'd go see it. I just won't hold my breath, is all I'm saying.

And if they do have a movie, I hope their convention *does* get the prime billing that convention season - if it's the big deal, and matters to them, it only makes sense. But next year is TFs' year, and it seems like more than being just whiny or whatever else they've been called in this thread, I think their behavior speaks more to jealousy. But again, that's just my interpretation.

Maybe someone here who is active in both fandoms can speak better on the point and break it down better. After all, I'm just guessing here.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Oct 27 2006, 03:38 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Bermuda Mohawk @ Oct 27 2006, 01:39 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Oct 27 2006, 05:11 PM) View Post

GI Joe will never have that kind of a chance....GI Joe is forever relegated to where they are with no chance to move up.


I guess I shouldn't have thrown my crystal ball out when I moved. I had such high hopes for G.I.Joe. Guess I shouldn't even bother supporting it anymore, it's only gonna fail anyhow.

Hey, be fair here. I didn't say it would fail or isn't worth supporting. I just don't think it's going to get a chance to go to the big leagues like Transformers is. Transformers is such a unique concept, that it's worth a shot with.

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I think a GIJOE movie could work well provided they didn't mess with the core concept too much.. Group of Specialists, in a secret government counter- terrorism unit of some sort..

Now this is just my preferences showing here, but that just sounds like about a thousand other government specialist/spy/counter-terrorist movies from "Enemy of the State" to "I Spy" to "True Lies" to any number of others that I can't even think of right now. It just, to me, feels done as far as that genre goes.

It's still plenty viable as a cartoon series and toyline, I think. I just don't personally think it's got legs to ever go very mainstream. But I could be wrong - maybe they could do a big-deal movie with lots of star talent in the roles, with lots of cool vehicles and characters and action and stuff. If so, I'd go see it. I just won't hold my breath, is all I'm saying.

And if they do have a movie, I hope their convention *does* get the prime billing that convention season - if it's the big deal, and matters to them, it only makes sense. But next year is TFs' year, and it seems like more than being just whiny or whatever else they've been called in this thread, I think their behavior speaks more to jealousy. But again, that's just my interpretation.

Maybe someone here who is active in both fandoms can speak better on the point and break it down better. After all, I'm just guessing here.


Transformers being a unique concept has absolutely nothing to do with them getting a movie, ok maybe a little bit, but in reality if TFs were Hasbro's number 20 seller and not their top 3 we wouldn't even be looking at a movie, let alone a series. IF, and I do me IF, the movie does well, the chances of a GI JOE movie go up a lot, so I hope it does well, but much like FF, Punisher, etc. not every franchise is a winner at the movies.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 02:49 PM

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... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

Yeah...but support for the comic and concept over the years caused a movie to be viable. Just like it would with GI Joe. It's not like the cons are only starting after commercial movie success for these things.

If anything, I think it's more telling that with years of support and a popular longtime convention, GI Joe still hasn't managed to break into the bigtime, whereas a lot of things with less support (look at Hellboy, for example) do get to take a shot at mainstream.

I mean, if my knowledge of GI Joe was basically wrong in thinking it's "just a bunch of army men," and I even collect some kind of toy or other, imagine how your typical movie producer people must look at it.

Sorry if this is all coming off as offensive to Joe collectors or anything, I don't mean it to be. But I just think Transformers is a far better property, far more creative, and offers much more possibility for having wide appeal.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 03:27 PM

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... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

Yeah...but support for the comic and concept over the years caused a movie to be viable. Just like it would with GI Joe. It's not like the cons are only starting after commercial movie success for these things.

If anything, I think it's more telling that with years of support and a popular longtime convention, GI Joe still hasn't managed to break into the bigtime, whereas a lot of things with less support (look at Hellboy, for example) do get to take a shot at mainstream.

I mean, if my knowledge of GI Joe was basically wrong in thinking it's "just a bunch of army men," and I even collect some kind of toy or other, imagine how your typical movie producer people must look at it.

Sorry if this is all coming off as offensive to Joe collectors or anything, I don't mean it to be. But I just think Transformers is a far better property, far more creative, and offers much more possibility for having wide appeal.


The problem for GI JOE is the current atmosphere in America. There just isn't as big a desire for war cartoons/shows that feature a large group fighting terrorists. Especially geared towards kids. Thankfully SIGMA SIX is bucking that trend. Also, a movie about a special ops group for the government, while not original, is fairly easy to do, but the money isn't there because it isn't as big a seller as TFs. Does that mean TFs are more creative? Of course not, that is your personal bias/belief. GI JOE has been around for 40 years and gone through 3 major structure changes, and is still going. TFs are a better seller, but GI JOE is no slouch either.

As stated before, GIJOE will get a movie if TFs do well at the movies, however that is not a given as some people like to think. Bay is great at action, but not so much with the small, plot driven parts. So it may be a special effects spectacular (yay!) it may not have much beyond that. As for movie producers, GI JOE has had interest for years, but like TFs never got off the ground. That is the fate of hundreds of movies, look at how long Superman remained in limbo, and it still wasn't considered a great success. It made good money, but the return on the investment is still questionable. Also, look at the toys, the shelves are littered with them months after the movie and the game still isn't out. TFs could easily suffer the same fate. What happens then? Is it not creative enough to draw fans? What if kids don't care for it?

It is easy to say before hand that something is going to happen, but in reality we can't know for sure.

Back more on topic, as I have said before, this fandom had quite the stick up it's butt when FP took over and moved the con to the fall, and for people in this fandom to say tough for GI JOE fans is crazy. Look at it from their point of view. They have had the con for 10+years and all of a sudden they are pushed aside by another fandom who only have really supported FP for a year (let's be honest, the first year there was a ton of animosity and little attendance). So of course they are going to feel slighted. Why should they have to move after a decade of support, for a fandom that has been, until recently, fairly hostile to FP, Brian and JOE fans as well? It is going to happen, and if the situation were reversed and 3H still had the con and took over the JOE con and bumped us, we would be screaming bloody murder.

I just can't wait to see the reaction of the fans if FP (most likely) decides to put us back in the fall after 07.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 03:52 PM

If this con goes over big, bigger even than Joe, I don't think FP will be in a position to move us back to the fall. Especially if the Joe numbers don't fall much. I mean, when you get something that's a cash cow in the summe but small in the fallr, and something else that's good but dependable all the time, you've pretty much gotta maximize your profits. So if transfans get out there huge this year, and keep it up next year if they don't just move us back to the fall again, then they'll see nice and clear summer is the time for us. If the number don't bear that out, they'll be able to at least say they tried, which, to be honest, would be fair in my eyes.

You're right, it is my bias that TFs are more creative. It always has been - GI Joe never interested me as a kid. I also think Star Trek is more creative than Star Wars, that Aliens is more creative than Predator, and that DC is more creative than Marvel. We all have our preferences.

And okay, I'll openly admit it...I'm a little smug about the fact that we bumped the Joe con. icon-hotrod.gif I like TFs better, I think our fandom is less outwardly vicious and doesn't have quite the sense of entitlement (I didn't say it was nonexistent, just not as high), and it's nice to get prime billing, so to speak. If it's just this once, fine, it's just this once. But it feels kind of nice to have it the once anyway, and it's a little fun to watch them stew, since they thought we belonged stuck in the fall for the past couple of years.

I also know I don't "get" GI Joe in the same way many people we know don't "get" Transformers, or why it appeals. So I'm perfectly content to say "to each his own." I won't bash the Joe collectors for going for Joes, and I don't think it's not worth supporting or whatever else.

But just like I'm a Transformers snob when it comes to my transforming toy robots, I'm a Transformers snob when it comes to pretty much every action figure type toy. I flip to the TF page of a toy catalogue and then toss it out without looking at the other stuff.

And let's be honest, Brian likes Joes better, which is fine, it's his company and his interest. So this probably is just a one year flip. They can deal, I think - especially since the tone of the message made it look like Brian pretty much had to do ours next summer instead of the fall. A major motion picture does change the landscape a bit, so it's not like TFs have "won" or anything.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 04:06 PM

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If this con goes over big, bigger even than Joe, I don't think FP will be in a position to move us back to the fall. Especially if the Joe numbers don't fall much.
While I'm inclined to agree, let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. In any event, because of the time it takes to plan conventions, I expect that a Fall 2008 TF convention is a given, even if the numbers at BotCon 2007 do conclusively prove that the Summer is the best time for a TF convention, and that it is in FP's best interests to do TF in the Summer, and Joe at some other time.

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And let's be honest, Brian likes Joes better, which is fine, it's his company and his interest. So this probably is just a one year flip. They can deal, I think - especially since the tone of the message made it look like Brian pretty much had to do ours next summer instead of the fall. A major motion picture does change the landscape a bit, so it's not like TFs have "won" or anything.

Of course we haven't (although it's good to keep these facts in mind, lest we get carried away). However, as I've said before, a summer BotCon is an opportunity for TF fans. We've complained for a couple of years now that a fall convention is an undue burden on this fandom (compared, for example, to Joes). Now it's time to prove it. If we can't do that, we have no business asking for a Summer convention at the Joes' expense in the future.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 08:47 PM

AS far as I'm concerned, they have a RIGHT to complain, but that dosen't mean they can be immature about it.


'Sides, being involved on a MILITARY-based line you'd think they would learn something from the hardened-trained soliders they admire so much and learn to take a punch!
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Posted 28 October 2006 - 09:40 AM

I like how the guy bitching about not giving a rat's ass about Transformers has a board name of a Transformers character.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 10:00 AM

That board makes me even more interested to see a GI Joe/Transformers crossover line just to see how people would react.

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I like how the guy bitching about not giving a rat's ass about Transformers has a board name of a Transformers character.

That made me icon-fire.gif !

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 11:07 AM

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... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

Yeah...but support for the comic and concept over the years caused a movie to be viable. Just like it would with GI Joe. It's not like the cons are only starting after commercial movie success for these things.

If anything, I think it's more telling that with years of support and a popular longtime convention, GI Joe still hasn't managed to break into the bigtime, whereas a lot of things with less support (look at Hellboy, for example) do get to take a shot at mainstream.

I mean, if my knowledge of GI Joe was basically wrong in thinking it's "just a bunch of army men," and I even collect some kind of toy or other, imagine how your typical movie producer people must look at it.

Sorry if this is all coming off as offensive to Joe collectors or anything, I don't mean it to be. But I just think Transformers is a far better property, far more creative, and offers much more possibility for having wide appeal.

support for Fantastic Four over the years? I think it's just one line under the Marvel brand that they've pulled out because they can, the way they have with half a dozen other properties of theirs...
I guess the point is that it takes a ton of money... Fantastic Four didn't need to build up profits from toylines and such to make a movie, because they had Marvel. GIJoe, while better than only one of Marvel's properties, still doesn't have the financial backing to throw a movie at it. But what about Hasbro? I guess some people are saying Hasbro would be willing to throw another movie out if the new TF movie does well... that might make sense.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 12:35 PM

why do you have to be avoiding empathy with the Joe fandom to have the opinion that the TF fandom should have things improve? I'm not about screwing over the Joe fandom, but I am about finding the best outcome with the least amount of upset. What's the deal with the Joe fans? When do they more often or less often have time to attend a convention? I mean, how does it compare to children in school and possible school employees? sure, summer is just peachy for everything, except having two conventions. what's it more valuable as? if TFs are such a "big seller", despite all the Joes' old earned cash, perhaps it still makes more money. (despite all our griping about the huge costs of the exclusives and such. I'm sure whatever numbers FP looks at, they can see every chance they can to make the money where it's to be made. not that I'mimplying they're Snidely Whiplash)

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I like how the guy bitching about not giving a rat's ass about Transformers has a board name of a Transformers character.

I thought maybe it was just a case of Hasbro reusing names between toylines, but there's no GIJoe Smokescreen... huh.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 01:17 PM

it could be a case of the actual usage of the word smokescreen instead of the transformers name.

Its almost a case of "Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!" but with Transformers names.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE(thoughtcrime @ Oct 11 2006, 06:42 PM) View Post

Joe fans get pissed off at the drop of a hat. I like Joes as much as the next 80s guy, but I just can't handle that fandom.


How does that differ from anything we see here? Please refer to the following...
Movie Optimus Flames
Movie Designs
Movie anything

Botcon being taken over by GI Joe guys.
Botcon in the Fall instead of Summer
Botcon Exclusive set Price
Botcon anything

Need I go on?


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Seriously, one group is going to HAVE to be put out each year. I just hope that it isn't always us. (Barring 2007, of course)


Couldn't FP hire enough people to put on two Cons at the same time? icon-depth.gif


Its not as simple as that. First you have to find facilities that can house both fan bases. Not only in terms of convention space but rooms. Then you have to find the right size of convention space that will accomodate and at the same time not be more costly than a smaller space which is usually comped by the hotel for a guarentee on a certain room block. Then there is the whole thing with hiring people like you suggest. Some of the current employees have a hard enough time answering questions about whats going on(see the Friday morning fiasco regarding late registerants and where to stand/who got the final tigatrons). You hire people just for that event and they are going to know next to nothing and cause more problems than they actually solve.


QUOTE(TrnsfrmGod @ Oct 11 2006, 08:19 PM) View Post

From the Joe board:
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Personally? This pisses me off. I'm part of the G.I. Joe Fan Club. I don't give a flying rat's arse what happens with Transformers. I signed up so I could be involved with all things Joe... I don't care how that relates to Transformers. That is just one more lame excuse, after getting one told to the folks at the Con.


If you reverse "Transformers" and "Joe" in that quote, it sounds remarkably like some utterances from last year icon-fire.gif


You are absolutely correct. And that is a sad thing to realize.


QUOTE(Morningstar @ Oct 11 2006, 09:13 PM) View Post

Now I remember why I never signed up at any joe forums..


Because they are so much worse than ours how?

QUOTE(Morningstar @ Oct 11 2006, 10:16 PM) View Post

five-figure boxed set [w/ a certificate of authenticity, tech specs and convention pin] = Crap
the opportunity to buy a bagged set.. Why would I need an extra set?
convention name badge... Uhh.. I thought most conventions gave you a lanyard regardless of pre-reg status?
convention program with comic... 10 bucks.. So exciting.
admittance to the sales room including the Private Sales Room Experience on Friday = Crap
Early Bird privileges on Saturday = Crap
admittance to the Awards Party = Crap
admittance to all convention panels/seminars.. I need to Alert GW.. They let the free entrance people at gamesday into these.. Think of all the money they could be making..
$50 in gaming coupons for Awards Party and Casino night = Crap, just cut 50 bucks off the cost of the pre-reg.
an extra exclusive figure.. K,


Its been said by that rascal Waspinator's muse, but I'll repeat to drive home the point...

#1. five-figure boxed set = Sellable on ebay for an easy profit.
#2. the opportunity to buy a bagged set = Sellable on ebay for even more profit.
#3. convention name badge = This isn't for you, but for them to be able to seperate the preregs from the walkins.
#4. convention program with comic = Consider it an extra. They wouldn't have to do it and wouldn't need to charge any less by not having them. They do it for you. Show some appreciation.
#5. admittance to the sales room including the Private Sales Room Experience on Friday = As the Rascal said, it was much less crowded so you could shop easier.
#6. Early Bird privileges on Saturday = See #5
#7. admittance to the Awards Party = As the Rascal said, a meal that you didn't have to pay 'extra' for.
#8. admittance to all convention panels/seminars. = Sauce baby.
#9. $50 in gaming coupons for Awards Party and Casino night = Gaming coupons are far different than gaming money my friend.
#10. an extra exclusive figure = Cash in the bank. You could sell your convention exclusive set for a fifty dollar loss and then sell the attendee exclusive figure for $50 and break totally even and have gotten all the above perks for free. But instead you would rather complain and talk about how much it isn't worth it. Brilliant.

I saw complete sets of all the convention exclusives go for $900+ on ebay. Hydra was here soliciting complete sets for $800. Tell me how paying the pre-registration fee, reselling the exclusives for break even in a bad year and $900+ in a good year is somehow not worth it or crap?

Complaining when you really don't have a need to = Crap. icon-arcee.gif

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