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@  TheMightyMol... : (25 October 2020 - 06:09 AM)

I just read "Tesla Cybertruck" like AC/DC's "Thunderstruck", now it won't get out of my head, so I inflict it on all of you as well.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Tesla Cybertruck: amazing or just silly looking? I can't decide.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:24 AM)

Weird question: I had to deal with a guy today... I'm not exactly up on modern fashions... or even archaic fashions... But this guy... Tuxedo Jacket and shirt, studs in all the button holes except the bottom one, blue jeans, and cowboy boots... Take a moment to imagine that get up. And this was to a business meeting, trying to impress someone. What look is that? Who on earth would dress that way? (I mean on purpose)

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:04 PM)

I think the few up here were lost to bad placement, poor weather, and the usual language trap.

@  TM2-Megatron : (24 October 2020 - 04:25 PM)

There are 5 spread around southwestern Ontario, all run by the same company. I've only been to the one in my area, but it seems to do good business even in non-pandemic times. On long weekends, when they do triple features, there's a normally a lineup to get in Friday and Saturday nights

@  Telly : (24 October 2020 - 01:51 PM)

there been one outside of my town for as long as ive been alive at least. its gone through its share of owners and periods of being closed down, but its been open for the past decade at least

@  Otaku : (24 October 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Bias from personal experience, but drive-in theaters are nearly extinct.  I grew up near one but it went out of business in the late 80s, and was torn down and replaced with some other business by the early 90s.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 07:47 AM)

Out here, I mean. Couldn't comment on their popularity in place where they actually exist.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:44 AM)

I wouldn't know. They've only come back into vogue with the social distancing from the plague, and while some places have made an effort to shoestring the places together, it's all largely too distant to be accessible.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:46 PM)

I'd hate to see ours replaced by condos. They're a great way to spend an evening, whether with family or on a date. And they've never been as common in Canada as the US, so we cna't afford to lose as many

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:45 PM)

Largely they were either poorly placed or bought out and torn down to be replaced by something other than over priced short term parking. Mostly condos.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:14 PM)

I guess your winters are worse, so they have a shorter operating season. Drive-ins in the Toronto area can usually operate until early or mid-December; maybe even into early January if there's no real snowfall, and open up again sometime in March.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:13 PM)

THere's really only 1 left in the entire province?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Ha! It's probably faster for me to drive to your drive in than to make my way to the only one left in quebec.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Fortunately we still have a drive-in theatre that's exempt from the closures about a 10 minute drive away

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Theatres around here are closed again for at least another couple weeks (wouldn't be surprised if it's extended by another month or so, either), but that's what they've been doing here as well. Playing the old classics

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 October 2020 - 02:36 PM)

I got Earthrise Megatron, he's better then I thought he'd be though Netflix Megatron is still tops.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:44 AM)

The original Rocky movie is also showing. May go next weekend. That’s how you get people back in the theatres - show the old classics every adult loves.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 10:35 AM)

They did a limited run showing of it up here too, back when the theaters were open... red zones suck.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:13 AM)

The original Back To The Future is showing in the Odeon in the UK now. I think I will go see it tomorrow.

@  Donocropolis : (23 October 2020 - 05:51 AM)

It was either the Bumblebee or Cliffjumper. Can't remember the colors.

@  Kalidor : (22 October 2020 - 06:43 PM)

What did it look like?

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 01:34 PM)

I swear I remember getting the Happymeal G1 minibot as a child, but I live 2.5 hours from St. Louis, which is the only place they apparently came out. It's possible that I got it on a family vacation, though, as we went to Six Flags pretty often.

@  ▲ndrusi : (22 October 2020 - 01:07 PM)

Conversely, I had the Gobot helicopter from Wendy's and I was absolutely convinced it was an actual Transformer.

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 08:13 AM)

I used to rubber-band Hot-Wheels style construction vehicles together and pretend it was Devestator.

@  Bass X0 : (21 October 2020 - 05:26 PM)

When I was about four years old, my parents bought me Bugbite and tried to tell me it was Bumblebee. I was not yet a fan of Transformers, but I knew that wasn't Bumblebee. I didn't even have the real Bumblebee at that time.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:39 PM)

It would come with two soundtracks: the eighties classic and one featuring dubstep and the VAs are popular Youtubers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 12:13 PM)

But yeah, reading it: I came off as a bit of an ass.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:52 AM)

I just couldn't think of worse music than disco...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 11:35 AM)

What were you trying to imply with the mocking sarcasm, though? Nobody suggested that '80s music was any more "of it's time" than '70s music.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:18 AM)

I said that disco wouldn't fare much better with the same context: media is property of it's time; biases, culture and limitations are all inherent in that. Some stuff can be brought forward because of an inherently timeless nature or the simplicity with which it was made but lots of media is a time capsule of the period of when it was made.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 08:46 AM)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, or what you even think I said.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 08:11 AM)

Yeah, cause disco would make the transition so much better...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 07:17 AM)

I feel the '80s music would be jarring when running over current-day CGI instead of well, '80s visuals.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 05:39 AM)

Not a remake, reanimated scene for scene, like that fan vid titled they were always real to me.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 October 2020 - 04:37 AM)

Because we need more remakes these days.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:36 AM)

Be a hoot if these Studio Series 86 toys led to Transformers The Move Reanimated like Pokemon Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution.

@  Paladin : (20 October 2020 - 05:15 PM)

only takes three pounds to be a cereal killer.

@  Kalidor : (20 October 2020 - 04:54 PM)

5 pounds is a lot of cereal! /deadpan

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 October 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Seems the area near my work place is due to be gentrified. Electric car ports, fifty pound haircuts and five pound bowls of cereal in breakfast cafes I'll bet.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 11:31 PM)

@ZakuConvoy Lumines Electric Symphony. So still halfway interesting, and it’ll play on the PS TV

@  Demovere Xeno : (19 October 2020 - 10:36 PM)

@Maximus: I paired the Battle Patrol with Ironworks and they look good together, though the Off Road Patrol would probably fit best as vehicles you're likely to find at a construction site.

@  ZakuConvoy : (19 October 2020 - 09:39 PM)

So...was it something like Tearaway or Gravity Rush or was it just a FIFA or a Madden?

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 08:26 PM)

Sounds like they need to clean more often.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 06:51 PM)

From the depths of Walmart's backroom comes...a Playstation Vita game in 2020?

@  Telly : (19 October 2020 - 02:20 PM)

and my bow

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:49 AM)

<GIMLI> And my axe! </GIMLI>

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:47 AM)

He's got my vote!

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 11:26 AM)

Mayor?

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 October 2020 - 07:38 AM)

Greasepit for the Sports Car Patrol, Airwave for the Airstrike Patrol, Hot House for the Rescue Patrol, Ironworks for ????


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#61 Galenraff

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:32 PM

Fair enough. I'll admit, I know very little about GI Joe other than it's military-based. If those are more accurate comparisons, then I apologize for my examples not conveying what I'd hoped.

My basic point is that Transformers has a chance to really be something a lot bigger and better than it ever has been, whereas GI Joe won't ever have that opportunity - it is what it is, I think.

This is, of course, my opinion, based on reading what I thought was jealousy masked as hostility in that other thread.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 12:59 PM

well for some one who is unfamilier with the property its not that big of a deal.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:04 PM

Yeah, I don't really care too much. If they make a GI Joe movie, I'll go to support a Hasbro brand. Plus, plenty of the Joe guys were saying they'd come to the TF movie to do the same. I'd try and be a good citizen like that.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:39 PM

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GI Joe will never have that kind of a chance....GI Joe is forever relegated to where they are with no chance to move up.


I guess I shouldn't have thrown my crystal ball out when I moved. I had such high hopes for G.I.Joe. Guess I shouldn't even bother supporting it anymore, it's only gonna fail anyhow.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:55 PM

... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 01:59 PM

I think a GIJOE movie could work well provided they didn't mess with the core concept too much.. Group of Specialists, in a secret government counter- terrorism unit of some sort..





I just want John Malkovich to play cobra commander..

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 02:38 PM

QUOTE(Bermuda Mohawk @ Oct 27 2006, 01:39 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Oct 27 2006, 05:11 PM) View Post

GI Joe will never have that kind of a chance....GI Joe is forever relegated to where they are with no chance to move up.


I guess I shouldn't have thrown my crystal ball out when I moved. I had such high hopes for G.I.Joe. Guess I shouldn't even bother supporting it anymore, it's only gonna fail anyhow.

Hey, be fair here. I didn't say it would fail or isn't worth supporting. I just don't think it's going to get a chance to go to the big leagues like Transformers is. Transformers is such a unique concept, that it's worth a shot with.

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I think a GIJOE movie could work well provided they didn't mess with the core concept too much.. Group of Specialists, in a secret government counter- terrorism unit of some sort..

Now this is just my preferences showing here, but that just sounds like about a thousand other government specialist/spy/counter-terrorist movies from "Enemy of the State" to "I Spy" to "True Lies" to any number of others that I can't even think of right now. It just, to me, feels done as far as that genre goes.

It's still plenty viable as a cartoon series and toyline, I think. I just don't personally think it's got legs to ever go very mainstream. But I could be wrong - maybe they could do a big-deal movie with lots of star talent in the roles, with lots of cool vehicles and characters and action and stuff. If so, I'd go see it. I just won't hold my breath, is all I'm saying.

And if they do have a movie, I hope their convention *does* get the prime billing that convention season - if it's the big deal, and matters to them, it only makes sense. But next year is TFs' year, and it seems like more than being just whiny or whatever else they've been called in this thread, I think their behavior speaks more to jealousy. But again, that's just my interpretation.

Maybe someone here who is active in both fandoms can speak better on the point and break it down better. After all, I'm just guessing here.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Oct 27 2006, 03:38 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Bermuda Mohawk @ Oct 27 2006, 01:39 PM) View Post

QUOTE(Galenraff @ Oct 27 2006, 05:11 PM) View Post

GI Joe will never have that kind of a chance....GI Joe is forever relegated to where they are with no chance to move up.


I guess I shouldn't have thrown my crystal ball out when I moved. I had such high hopes for G.I.Joe. Guess I shouldn't even bother supporting it anymore, it's only gonna fail anyhow.

Hey, be fair here. I didn't say it would fail or isn't worth supporting. I just don't think it's going to get a chance to go to the big leagues like Transformers is. Transformers is such a unique concept, that it's worth a shot with.

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I think a GIJOE movie could work well provided they didn't mess with the core concept too much.. Group of Specialists, in a secret government counter- terrorism unit of some sort..

Now this is just my preferences showing here, but that just sounds like about a thousand other government specialist/spy/counter-terrorist movies from "Enemy of the State" to "I Spy" to "True Lies" to any number of others that I can't even think of right now. It just, to me, feels done as far as that genre goes.

It's still plenty viable as a cartoon series and toyline, I think. I just don't personally think it's got legs to ever go very mainstream. But I could be wrong - maybe they could do a big-deal movie with lots of star talent in the roles, with lots of cool vehicles and characters and action and stuff. If so, I'd go see it. I just won't hold my breath, is all I'm saying.

And if they do have a movie, I hope their convention *does* get the prime billing that convention season - if it's the big deal, and matters to them, it only makes sense. But next year is TFs' year, and it seems like more than being just whiny or whatever else they've been called in this thread, I think their behavior speaks more to jealousy. But again, that's just my interpretation.

Maybe someone here who is active in both fandoms can speak better on the point and break it down better. After all, I'm just guessing here.


Transformers being a unique concept has absolutely nothing to do with them getting a movie, ok maybe a little bit, but in reality if TFs were Hasbro's number 20 seller and not their top 3 we wouldn't even be looking at a movie, let alone a series. IF, and I do me IF, the movie does well, the chances of a GI JOE movie go up a lot, so I hope it does well, but much like FF, Punisher, etc. not every franchise is a winner at the movies.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 02:49 PM

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... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

Yeah...but support for the comic and concept over the years caused a movie to be viable. Just like it would with GI Joe. It's not like the cons are only starting after commercial movie success for these things.

If anything, I think it's more telling that with years of support and a popular longtime convention, GI Joe still hasn't managed to break into the bigtime, whereas a lot of things with less support (look at Hellboy, for example) do get to take a shot at mainstream.

I mean, if my knowledge of GI Joe was basically wrong in thinking it's "just a bunch of army men," and I even collect some kind of toy or other, imagine how your typical movie producer people must look at it.

Sorry if this is all coming off as offensive to Joe collectors or anything, I don't mean it to be. But I just think Transformers is a far better property, far more creative, and offers much more possibility for having wide appeal.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 03:27 PM

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... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

Yeah...but support for the comic and concept over the years caused a movie to be viable. Just like it would with GI Joe. It's not like the cons are only starting after commercial movie success for these things.

If anything, I think it's more telling that with years of support and a popular longtime convention, GI Joe still hasn't managed to break into the bigtime, whereas a lot of things with less support (look at Hellboy, for example) do get to take a shot at mainstream.

I mean, if my knowledge of GI Joe was basically wrong in thinking it's "just a bunch of army men," and I even collect some kind of toy or other, imagine how your typical movie producer people must look at it.

Sorry if this is all coming off as offensive to Joe collectors or anything, I don't mean it to be. But I just think Transformers is a far better property, far more creative, and offers much more possibility for having wide appeal.


The problem for GI JOE is the current atmosphere in America. There just isn't as big a desire for war cartoons/shows that feature a large group fighting terrorists. Especially geared towards kids. Thankfully SIGMA SIX is bucking that trend. Also, a movie about a special ops group for the government, while not original, is fairly easy to do, but the money isn't there because it isn't as big a seller as TFs. Does that mean TFs are more creative? Of course not, that is your personal bias/belief. GI JOE has been around for 40 years and gone through 3 major structure changes, and is still going. TFs are a better seller, but GI JOE is no slouch either.

As stated before, GIJOE will get a movie if TFs do well at the movies, however that is not a given as some people like to think. Bay is great at action, but not so much with the small, plot driven parts. So it may be a special effects spectacular (yay!) it may not have much beyond that. As for movie producers, GI JOE has had interest for years, but like TFs never got off the ground. That is the fate of hundreds of movies, look at how long Superman remained in limbo, and it still wasn't considered a great success. It made good money, but the return on the investment is still questionable. Also, look at the toys, the shelves are littered with them months after the movie and the game still isn't out. TFs could easily suffer the same fate. What happens then? Is it not creative enough to draw fans? What if kids don't care for it?

It is easy to say before hand that something is going to happen, but in reality we can't know for sure.

Back more on topic, as I have said before, this fandom had quite the stick up it's butt when FP took over and moved the con to the fall, and for people in this fandom to say tough for GI JOE fans is crazy. Look at it from their point of view. They have had the con for 10+years and all of a sudden they are pushed aside by another fandom who only have really supported FP for a year (let's be honest, the first year there was a ton of animosity and little attendance). So of course they are going to feel slighted. Why should they have to move after a decade of support, for a fandom that has been, until recently, fairly hostile to FP, Brian and JOE fans as well? It is going to happen, and if the situation were reversed and 3H still had the con and took over the JOE con and bumped us, we would be screaming bloody murder.

I just can't wait to see the reaction of the fans if FP (most likely) decides to put us back in the fall after 07.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 03:52 PM

If this con goes over big, bigger even than Joe, I don't think FP will be in a position to move us back to the fall. Especially if the Joe numbers don't fall much. I mean, when you get something that's a cash cow in the summe but small in the fallr, and something else that's good but dependable all the time, you've pretty much gotta maximize your profits. So if transfans get out there huge this year, and keep it up next year if they don't just move us back to the fall again, then they'll see nice and clear summer is the time for us. If the number don't bear that out, they'll be able to at least say they tried, which, to be honest, would be fair in my eyes.

You're right, it is my bias that TFs are more creative. It always has been - GI Joe never interested me as a kid. I also think Star Trek is more creative than Star Wars, that Aliens is more creative than Predator, and that DC is more creative than Marvel. We all have our preferences.

And okay, I'll openly admit it...I'm a little smug about the fact that we bumped the Joe con. icon-hotrod.gif I like TFs better, I think our fandom is less outwardly vicious and doesn't have quite the sense of entitlement (I didn't say it was nonexistent, just not as high), and it's nice to get prime billing, so to speak. If it's just this once, fine, it's just this once. But it feels kind of nice to have it the once anyway, and it's a little fun to watch them stew, since they thought we belonged stuck in the fall for the past couple of years.

I also know I don't "get" GI Joe in the same way many people we know don't "get" Transformers, or why it appeals. So I'm perfectly content to say "to each his own." I won't bash the Joe collectors for going for Joes, and I don't think it's not worth supporting or whatever else.

But just like I'm a Transformers snob when it comes to my transforming toy robots, I'm a Transformers snob when it comes to pretty much every action figure type toy. I flip to the TF page of a toy catalogue and then toss it out without looking at the other stuff.

And let's be honest, Brian likes Joes better, which is fine, it's his company and his interest. So this probably is just a one year flip. They can deal, I think - especially since the tone of the message made it look like Brian pretty much had to do ours next summer instead of the fall. A major motion picture does change the landscape a bit, so it's not like TFs have "won" or anything.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 04:06 PM

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If this con goes over big, bigger even than Joe, I don't think FP will be in a position to move us back to the fall. Especially if the Joe numbers don't fall much.
While I'm inclined to agree, let's not count our chickens before they're hatched. In any event, because of the time it takes to plan conventions, I expect that a Fall 2008 TF convention is a given, even if the numbers at BotCon 2007 do conclusively prove that the Summer is the best time for a TF convention, and that it is in FP's best interests to do TF in the Summer, and Joe at some other time.

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And let's be honest, Brian likes Joes better, which is fine, it's his company and his interest. So this probably is just a one year flip. They can deal, I think - especially since the tone of the message made it look like Brian pretty much had to do ours next summer instead of the fall. A major motion picture does change the landscape a bit, so it's not like TFs have "won" or anything.

Of course we haven't (although it's good to keep these facts in mind, lest we get carried away). However, as I've said before, a summer BotCon is an opportunity for TF fans. We've complained for a couple of years now that a fall convention is an undue burden on this fandom (compared, for example, to Joes). Now it's time to prove it. If we can't do that, we have no business asking for a Summer convention at the Joes' expense in the future.

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Posted 27 October 2006 - 08:47 PM

AS far as I'm concerned, they have a RIGHT to complain, but that dosen't mean they can be immature about it.


'Sides, being involved on a MILITARY-based line you'd think they would learn something from the hardened-trained soliders they admire so much and learn to take a punch!
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Posted 28 October 2006 - 09:40 AM

I like how the guy bitching about not giving a rat's ass about Transformers has a board name of a Transformers character.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 10:00 AM

That board makes me even more interested to see a GI Joe/Transformers crossover line just to see how people would react.

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I like how the guy bitching about not giving a rat's ass about Transformers has a board name of a Transformers character.

That made me icon-fire.gif !

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 11:07 AM

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... Fantastic Four may have had some big-ass hollywood movie with lots of merchandising... but GIJoe has been around forever. I think a series probably sells product to kids better than a movie. I mean... no one's getting a god damned Fantastic Four convention.

Yeah...but support for the comic and concept over the years caused a movie to be viable. Just like it would with GI Joe. It's not like the cons are only starting after commercial movie success for these things.

If anything, I think it's more telling that with years of support and a popular longtime convention, GI Joe still hasn't managed to break into the bigtime, whereas a lot of things with less support (look at Hellboy, for example) do get to take a shot at mainstream.

I mean, if my knowledge of GI Joe was basically wrong in thinking it's "just a bunch of army men," and I even collect some kind of toy or other, imagine how your typical movie producer people must look at it.

Sorry if this is all coming off as offensive to Joe collectors or anything, I don't mean it to be. But I just think Transformers is a far better property, far more creative, and offers much more possibility for having wide appeal.

support for Fantastic Four over the years? I think it's just one line under the Marvel brand that they've pulled out because they can, the way they have with half a dozen other properties of theirs...
I guess the point is that it takes a ton of money... Fantastic Four didn't need to build up profits from toylines and such to make a movie, because they had Marvel. GIJoe, while better than only one of Marvel's properties, still doesn't have the financial backing to throw a movie at it. But what about Hasbro? I guess some people are saying Hasbro would be willing to throw another movie out if the new TF movie does well... that might make sense.

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 12:35 PM

why do you have to be avoiding empathy with the Joe fandom to have the opinion that the TF fandom should have things improve? I'm not about screwing over the Joe fandom, but I am about finding the best outcome with the least amount of upset. What's the deal with the Joe fans? When do they more often or less often have time to attend a convention? I mean, how does it compare to children in school and possible school employees? sure, summer is just peachy for everything, except having two conventions. what's it more valuable as? if TFs are such a "big seller", despite all the Joes' old earned cash, perhaps it still makes more money. (despite all our griping about the huge costs of the exclusives and such. I'm sure whatever numbers FP looks at, they can see every chance they can to make the money where it's to be made. not that I'mimplying they're Snidely Whiplash)

QUOTE(Kalidor @ Oct 28 2006, 10:40 AM) View Post

I like how the guy bitching about not giving a rat's ass about Transformers has a board name of a Transformers character.

I thought maybe it was just a case of Hasbro reusing names between toylines, but there's no GIJoe Smokescreen... huh.

#79 Bass X0

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 01:17 PM

it could be a case of the actual usage of the word smokescreen instead of the transformers name.

Its almost a case of "Simpsons did it! Simpsons did it!" but with Transformers names.

Just because you can't win doesn't mean you stop working.


#80 Bainreese

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Posted 28 October 2006 - 05:49 PM

QUOTE(thoughtcrime @ Oct 11 2006, 06:42 PM) View Post

Joe fans get pissed off at the drop of a hat. I like Joes as much as the next 80s guy, but I just can't handle that fandom.


How does that differ from anything we see here? Please refer to the following...
Movie Optimus Flames
Movie Designs
Movie anything

Botcon being taken over by GI Joe guys.
Botcon in the Fall instead of Summer
Botcon Exclusive set Price
Botcon anything

Need I go on?


QUOTE(MrBlud @ Oct 11 2006, 07:24 PM) View Post

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Seriously, one group is going to HAVE to be put out each year. I just hope that it isn't always us. (Barring 2007, of course)


Couldn't FP hire enough people to put on two Cons at the same time? icon-depth.gif


Its not as simple as that. First you have to find facilities that can house both fan bases. Not only in terms of convention space but rooms. Then you have to find the right size of convention space that will accomodate and at the same time not be more costly than a smaller space which is usually comped by the hotel for a guarentee on a certain room block. Then there is the whole thing with hiring people like you suggest. Some of the current employees have a hard enough time answering questions about whats going on(see the Friday morning fiasco regarding late registerants and where to stand/who got the final tigatrons). You hire people just for that event and they are going to know next to nothing and cause more problems than they actually solve.


QUOTE(TrnsfrmGod @ Oct 11 2006, 08:19 PM) View Post

From the Joe board:
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Personally? This pisses me off. I'm part of the G.I. Joe Fan Club. I don't give a flying rat's arse what happens with Transformers. I signed up so I could be involved with all things Joe... I don't care how that relates to Transformers. That is just one more lame excuse, after getting one told to the folks at the Con.


If you reverse "Transformers" and "Joe" in that quote, it sounds remarkably like some utterances from last year icon-fire.gif


You are absolutely correct. And that is a sad thing to realize.


QUOTE(Morningstar @ Oct 11 2006, 09:13 PM) View Post

Now I remember why I never signed up at any joe forums..


Because they are so much worse than ours how?

QUOTE(Morningstar @ Oct 11 2006, 10:16 PM) View Post

five-figure boxed set [w/ a certificate of authenticity, tech specs and convention pin] = Crap
the opportunity to buy a bagged set.. Why would I need an extra set?
convention name badge... Uhh.. I thought most conventions gave you a lanyard regardless of pre-reg status?
convention program with comic... 10 bucks.. So exciting.
admittance to the sales room including the Private Sales Room Experience on Friday = Crap
Early Bird privileges on Saturday = Crap
admittance to the Awards Party = Crap
admittance to all convention panels/seminars.. I need to Alert GW.. They let the free entrance people at gamesday into these.. Think of all the money they could be making..
$50 in gaming coupons for Awards Party and Casino night = Crap, just cut 50 bucks off the cost of the pre-reg.
an extra exclusive figure.. K,


Its been said by that rascal Waspinator's muse, but I'll repeat to drive home the point...

#1. five-figure boxed set = Sellable on ebay for an easy profit.
#2. the opportunity to buy a bagged set = Sellable on ebay for even more profit.
#3. convention name badge = This isn't for you, but for them to be able to seperate the preregs from the walkins.
#4. convention program with comic = Consider it an extra. They wouldn't have to do it and wouldn't need to charge any less by not having them. They do it for you. Show some appreciation.
#5. admittance to the sales room including the Private Sales Room Experience on Friday = As the Rascal said, it was much less crowded so you could shop easier.
#6. Early Bird privileges on Saturday = See #5
#7. admittance to the Awards Party = As the Rascal said, a meal that you didn't have to pay 'extra' for.
#8. admittance to all convention panels/seminars. = Sauce baby.
#9. $50 in gaming coupons for Awards Party and Casino night = Gaming coupons are far different than gaming money my friend.
#10. an extra exclusive figure = Cash in the bank. You could sell your convention exclusive set for a fifty dollar loss and then sell the attendee exclusive figure for $50 and break totally even and have gotten all the above perks for free. But instead you would rather complain and talk about how much it isn't worth it. Brilliant.

I saw complete sets of all the convention exclusives go for $900+ on ebay. Hydra was here soliciting complete sets for $800. Tell me how paying the pre-registration fee, reselling the exclusives for break even in a bad year and $900+ in a good year is somehow not worth it or crap?

Complaining when you really don't have a need to = Crap. icon-arcee.gif

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