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@  TM2-Megatron : (31 October 2020 - 04:04 AM)

And that's why you can only buy them in a bundle

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 October 2020 - 03:17 AM)

I recommend Wishmaster 1 and 2. But not 3 or 4. Never 3 or 4.

@  Telly : (31 October 2020 - 12:33 AM)

i might watch spaced invaders. not scary in any way, but it takes place during halloween

@  Maximus Ambus : (30 October 2020 - 02:21 PM)

I think I'll watch The Haunting (1963), Carnival of Souls (1962) and The Innocents (1961) for Halloween.

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 October 2020 - 01:52 PM)

50/60's Twilight Zone, the 80's, millennium and recent ones also, all are in The Twilight Zone.

@  wonko the sane? : (28 October 2020 - 08:03 AM)

Twilight zone. Duh.

@  -LittleAutob... : (28 October 2020 - 07:52 AM)

Um.... what did I log in on...

@  Paladin : (28 October 2020 - 06:17 AM)

have they actually gotten worse than the one where Homer gets paralyzed by a spider and has to learn to communicate through his farts?

@  unluckiness : (28 October 2020 - 05:53 AM)

It's only fitting that SImpsons have halloween specials since it's been a shambling corpse of its former self since its teens.

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 October 2020 - 04:12 AM)

No I caught one of the latest one with parodies of Stranger Things which admittedly is horror series but Heaven Can Wait and The Shape of Water are Fantasy films. Plus implications of the characters being sociopaths or twisted has become a norm these days.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 October 2020 - 02:58 AM)

Which probably adds to the "reasons they should just stop making more of The Simpsons" pile.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (28 October 2020 - 02:58 AM)

You make it sound like The Simpsons becoming less repetitive is a bad thing.

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 October 2020 - 02:48 AM)

Remember when Simpsons Halloween specials parodied horror movies and would have the characters make off out of character remarks like "we chucked donuts at a old man for kicks."? they don't and can't do that any more.

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 October 2020 - 08:00 PM)

Tired of the same old Halloween stuff? Check out Tubi. The depths of the schlock available is astounding.

@  Donocropolis : (27 October 2020 - 11:51 AM)

Not sure if it's news or not, but I'm at Ross right now and they have Masterpiece Movie Ironhide for $24.99

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 October 2020 - 12:45 AM)

Final Fantasy 7 Remake’s Best Buy exclusive deluxe version is available for $10 as one of today’s daily deals

@  PlutoniumBoss : (26 October 2020 - 08:50 PM)

We can play the "Is it a real headline or an Onion headline" game.

@  Steevy Maximus : (26 October 2020 - 08:22 PM)

It's weird to see how much of Larry Hama's "satire" from the old GI Joe comic has no longer become satire in the past few years.

@  Maximus Ambus : (26 October 2020 - 11:29 AM)

Funny how 2020 gave me new appreciation for Dawn of the Dead 1978.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 07:43 PM)

@Fenix Twilight Sure. Just not a good one.

@  Fenix Twilight : (25 October 2020 - 04:02 PM)

@Sukoshiko Well his clothes left an impression on you didn't they?

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 October 2020 - 06:09 AM)

I just read "Tesla Cybertruck" like AC/DC's "Thunderstruck", now it won't get out of my head, so I inflict it on all of you as well.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Tesla Cybertruck: amazing or just silly looking? I can't decide.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:24 AM)

Weird question: I had to deal with a guy today... I'm not exactly up on modern fashions... or even archaic fashions... But this guy... Tuxedo Jacket and shirt, studs in all the button holes except the bottom one, blue jeans, and cowboy boots... Take a moment to imagine that get up. And this was to a business meeting, trying to impress someone. What look is that? Who on earth would dress that way? (I mean on purpose)

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:04 PM)

I think the few up here were lost to bad placement, poor weather, and the usual language trap.

@  TM2-Megatron : (24 October 2020 - 04:25 PM)

There are 5 spread around southwestern Ontario, all run by the same company. I've only been to the one in my area, but it seems to do good business even in non-pandemic times. On long weekends, when they do triple features, there's a normally a lineup to get in Friday and Saturday nights

@  Telly : (24 October 2020 - 01:51 PM)

there been one outside of my town for as long as ive been alive at least. its gone through its share of owners and periods of being closed down, but its been open for the past decade at least

@  Otaku : (24 October 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Bias from personal experience, but drive-in theaters are nearly extinct.  I grew up near one but it went out of business in the late 80s, and was torn down and replaced with some other business by the early 90s.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 07:47 AM)

Out here, I mean. Couldn't comment on their popularity in place where they actually exist.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:44 AM)

I wouldn't know. They've only come back into vogue with the social distancing from the plague, and while some places have made an effort to shoestring the places together, it's all largely too distant to be accessible.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:46 PM)

I'd hate to see ours replaced by condos. They're a great way to spend an evening, whether with family or on a date. And they've never been as common in Canada as the US, so we cna't afford to lose as many

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:45 PM)

Largely they were either poorly placed or bought out and torn down to be replaced by something other than over priced short term parking. Mostly condos.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:14 PM)

I guess your winters are worse, so they have a shorter operating season. Drive-ins in the Toronto area can usually operate until early or mid-December; maybe even into early January if there's no real snowfall, and open up again sometime in March.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:13 PM)

THere's really only 1 left in the entire province?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Ha! It's probably faster for me to drive to your drive in than to make my way to the only one left in quebec.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Fortunately we still have a drive-in theatre that's exempt from the closures about a 10 minute drive away

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Theatres around here are closed again for at least another couple weeks (wouldn't be surprised if it's extended by another month or so, either), but that's what they've been doing here as well. Playing the old classics

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 October 2020 - 02:36 PM)

I got Earthrise Megatron, he's better then I thought he'd be though Netflix Megatron is still tops.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:44 AM)

The original Rocky movie is also showing. May go next weekend. That’s how you get people back in the theatres - show the old classics every adult loves.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 10:35 AM)

They did a limited run showing of it up here too, back when the theaters were open... red zones suck.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:13 AM)

The original Back To The Future is showing in the Odeon in the UK now. I think I will go see it tomorrow.

@  Donocropolis : (23 October 2020 - 05:51 AM)

It was either the Bumblebee or Cliffjumper. Can't remember the colors.

@  Kalidor : (22 October 2020 - 06:43 PM)

What did it look like?

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 01:34 PM)

I swear I remember getting the Happymeal G1 minibot as a child, but I live 2.5 hours from St. Louis, which is the only place they apparently came out. It's possible that I got it on a family vacation, though, as we went to Six Flags pretty often.

@  ▲ndrusi : (22 October 2020 - 01:07 PM)

Conversely, I had the Gobot helicopter from Wendy's and I was absolutely convinced it was an actual Transformer.

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 08:13 AM)

I used to rubber-band Hot-Wheels style construction vehicles together and pretend it was Devestator.

@  Bass X0 : (21 October 2020 - 05:26 PM)

When I was about four years old, my parents bought me Bugbite and tried to tell me it was Bumblebee. I was not yet a fan of Transformers, but I knew that wasn't Bumblebee. I didn't even have the real Bumblebee at that time.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:39 PM)

It would come with two soundtracks: the eighties classic and one featuring dubstep and the VAs are popular Youtubers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 12:13 PM)

But yeah, reading it: I came off as a bit of an ass.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:52 AM)

I just couldn't think of worse music than disco...


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#21 Thundercracker Prime

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Posted 03 May 2020 - 01:27 AM

Here's a suggestion. Keep the toys the same as they are, physically. But, maybe change some of the character identities that they represent.

 

For example, instead of the big blue Autobot SUV being an all new character named Ironhide, make it instead be Armada Side Swipe in a new upgraded body form. That way, the toy could still represent the "young blue Autobot doofus who admires Hot Shot" without needing to replace an existing character with a completely new one.

I can work with that, but I'm still interested in the idea of Snowstorm (Renamed from Snow Cat) and Long Haul (Demolisher's dump truck form as a separate character) being able to Powerlinx.


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Posted 03 May 2020 - 05:24 AM

Im starting my 10th (or more) time of rewatching Armada start to finish (My fave TF series) then I am sure I will move onto Energon and skip Cybertron, so I can give more info soon. 

 

But....for now, here is a list:

 

Keep Optimus skinny 

Keep Jetfire the sameish robot mode and still able to combine with Optimus and Overload. (not sure why that combo would go away)

Give us Energon Ultra Magnus

Keep Hot Shot (I like the more grown up version)

Get rid of Kicker and just let us keep the grown up Armada kids. Give them one of Kickers power from exposure from a energon experiment gone wrong or something like that. 

Let Demolisher, Cyclonus and Tidal Wave stay on the Autobots a bit longer.  Would make their eventual return to the decepticons mean a bit more, even if we know its going to happen. 

Let Starscream be Starscream.  Give us Skywarp and let him be the teleporter. 

Make Alpha whatever be more forthcoming with whats going on with him and his uses for Unicron and Scorpy. (I feel like it took forever for the truth to come out. Maybe Im remembering it wrong.). 

Im sure there is more. 



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Posted 03 May 2020 - 05:04 PM

Im starting my 10th (or more) time of rewatching Armada start to finish (My fave TF series) then I am sure I will move onto Energon and skip Cybertron, so I can give more info soon. 

 

But....for now, here is a list:

 

Keep Optimus skinny 

Keep Jetfire the sameish robot mode and still able to combine with Optimus and Overload. (not sure why that combo would go away)

Give us Energon Ultra Magnus

Keep Hot Shot (I like the more grown up version)

Get rid of Kicker and just let us keep the grown up Armada kids. Give them one of Kickers power from exposure from a energon experiment gone wrong or something like that. 

Let Demolisher, Cyclonus and Tidal Wave stay on the Autobots a bit longer.  Would make their eventual return to the decepticons mean a bit more, even if we know its going to happen. 

Let Starscream be Starscream.  Give us Skywarp and let him be the teleporter. 

Make Alpha whatever be more forthcoming with whats going on with him and his uses for Unicron and Scorpy. (I feel like it took forever for the truth to come out. Maybe Im remembering it wrong.). 

Im sure there is more. 

I agree with some of your ideas, particularly in regards to Starscream and Alpha Q, though I actually think it's in character for Cyclonus and Tidal Wave to quickly rejoin the Decepticons, and I consider keeping Kicker around so he can be a better-written character to be a self-imposed challenge, that being said, the three kids from Armada, especially Alexis, will get more screentime.  Also, to give the Decepticons more of an edge against the Autobots, what if, in addition to whatever else an Energon Star does, when a Decepticon Powerlinx with one, it supercharges their Hyper Mode?


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Posted 03 May 2020 - 08:29 PM

I always thought there would be a fan edit of this show, where most of the repeating transformation sequences would be cut out, as well as all the footage of them standing around talking about what had just happened. Then the whole series would probably be just an hour long. Your version sounds much better though.
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Posted 04 May 2020 - 05:03 AM

oh.  And the Combiners each individual bots, not just drones and 1 main controlling bot. But keep the scramble city interchangeablitiy between them, that is cool to see. 



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Posted 06 May 2020 - 07:01 PM

oh.  And the Combiners each individual bots, not just drones and 1 main controlling bot. But keep the scramble city interchangeablitiy between them, that is cool to see. 

(Cracks knuckles) Any suggestions for specific personalities?


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Posted 19 May 2020 - 12:24 PM

So... I'm not very knowledgeable about the Unicron Trilogy animation.  I had a decent amount of the toys.  I read some of the comics that released under Dreamwave.  I really enjoyed the TFCC fiction from this setting.  I'll read Thundercracker Prime's stuff when I have time, but I already was interrupted multiple times while writing this comment, so that probably won't happen until the evening. XD

 

I'd like to think I offer a useful perspective, but maybe I don't.  One thing I know is the more you stray from the source material - both toyline and fiction - the more it stretches suspension of disbelief.  That's just how it works with what is essentially a "What If?" scenario.  I am phrasing it that way because sometimes, changes to the fiction are less believable than changes to the toyline.  Not that I can justify my own preferred change (basically turning Energon into a prototype of Combiner Wars).

 

To give you an idea, though... I kinda like chunky Optimus Prime.  Maybe its because I'm a fatguy IRL.  Maybe because I know the idea is that he's supposed to have typical, heroic proportions when combined, and I like the fact this means Optimus alone does not look right.  Kind of symbolic.

 

I also like Energon Starscream... well, what I know of him.  The thing is, I never got to see Armada Starscream's heel-face turn.  Read about it, but didn't witness it myself.  When you do look at the character arc laid out for Starscream in the Unicron Trilogy, its actually really good.  The specifics may be awful at times, and a key aspect is being uncertain whether or not Energon Starscream really is Armada Starscream.  Maybe that ambiguity was not intentional, and is a misunderstanding on my part, but if so... how's that for a rewrite?  Megatron's ego means, rather than accept his subordinate's (friend's?) demise, he creates an imitation of him.  A recreation that eventually turns on Megatron, a darker echo of what happened with the original.

 

Anyway, just some of my thoughts.  XP


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Posted 19 May 2020 - 03:29 PM

With Energon, at times I honestly think a good chunk of the show could be broken down into a couple of movies without loosing the plot, but then the show suffered from poor planning and a large ep count so it kept running out of story to tell. For the most part, I tend not to think about Energon that much, I liked the few toys I have from the line but the show is easy to forget as that was pretty much the darkest time for Transformers in terms of comics, when Dreamwave went bust leaving its G1 stories and Energon story unfinished. As I said, I think the best way to improve the show is to transform it into some movies but it will not make a big difference but at least improve it story and deal with the pacing issues.


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Posted 19 May 2020 - 06:21 PM

Energon does some quite interesting things for the first 13 episodes, but literally dumps all of them in that 13th episode. That has to have happened for a reason - either they were massively overbudget, or someone senior made terrible editorial changes. Quite probably both.

 

The best way to improve it would have been for that not to happen.



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Posted 20 May 2020 - 05:21 PM

So... I'm not very knowledgeable about the Unicron Trilogy animation.  I had a decent amount of the toys.  I read some of the comics that released under Dreamwave.  I really enjoyed the TFCC fiction from this setting.  I'll read Thundercracker Prime's stuff when I have time, but I already was interrupted multiple times while writing this comment, so that probably won't happen until the evening. XD

 

I'd like to think I offer a useful perspective, but maybe I don't.  One thing I know is the more you stray from the source material - both toyline and fiction - the more it stretches suspension of disbelief.  That's just how it works with what is essentially a "What If?" scenario.  I am phrasing it that way because sometimes, changes to the fiction are less believable than changes to the toyline.  Not that I can justify my own preferred change (basically turning Energon into a prototype of Combiner Wars).

 

To give you an idea, though... I kinda like chunky Optimus Prime.  Maybe its because I'm a fatguy IRL.  Maybe because I know the idea is that he's supposed to have typical, heroic proportions when combined, and I like the fact this means Optimus alone does not look right.  Kind of symbolic.

 

I also like Energon Starscream... well, what I know of him.  The thing is, I never got to see Armada Starscream's heel-face turn.  Read about it, but didn't witness it myself.  When you do look at the character arc laid out for Starscream in the Unicron Trilogy, its actually really good.  The specifics may be awful at times, and a key aspect is being uncertain whether or not Energon Starscream really is Armada Starscream.  Maybe that ambiguity was not intentional, and is a misunderstanding on my part, but if so... how's that for a rewrite?  Megatron's ego means, rather than accept his subordinate's (friend's?) demise, he creates an imitation of him.  A recreation that eventually turns on Megatron, a darker echo of what happened with the original.

 

Anyway, just some of my thoughts.  XP

I view Cybertron as being in a separate continuity from Armada and Energon, so while I like your idea with Starscream, I'd rather just give Armada/Energon Starscream the Transmetal 2 Dinobot treatment.  Also, I've come to accept that I will be unable to solve all of Energon's flaws, I just want to make something that's watchable on paper.


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Posted 20 May 2020 - 07:45 PM

I view Cybertron as being in a separate continuity from Armada and Energon, so while I like your idea with Starscream, I'd rather just give Armada/Energon Starscream the Transmetal 2 Dinobot treatment.  Also, I've come to accept that I will be unable to solve all of Energon's flaws, I just want to make something that's watchable on paper.


As you wish but... I thought I just described the TM2 Dinobot treatment? :wtf

 

Well, I guess not technically.  If you're not going to go for the original planned, then scrapped, then retconned back in Unicron Trilogy out of these three series, and just cut Transformers: Cybertron, I can respect your decision.  The thing is... all that means is you have your Starscream revenant/cursed clone die a hero, rebelling one last time against Galvatron.

 

Oh, and re-reading my last post, if it wasn't clear, I saw very little of the animation for these series.  Not even a full episode of Energon, maybe two to three of Armada, and 20 or so of Cybertron.  I read episode synopsis, and even an interesting thread reviewing and discussing the entire series titled "Revisting Energon" (or maybe "Revisiting Transformers: Energon" or something like that) by Mako Crab.

 

Anyway, last night was a wash but I've got a tiny bit of time to read some of your stuff now so... I'll go do that. :D

 

Addendum: Since it came up in that TFW2005 thread, I thought I'd mention that, while I completely understand the idea of trying to divorce Cybertron so that the Unicron Trilogy isn't actually a trilogy, I think the better but much more challenging thing is to embrace Unicron's double destruction warping space and time.  Simply put, Transformers messed with such things often enough that it isn't a foreign concept to fans and there are some fascinating story options it enables.

 

Of course, I'm biased because of that Velocitronian Stunticon fic I never finished. :doh The idea was to expand upon the Cybteron setting, and in doing so, encounter more areas (and people and Cybertronians) facing dire consequences from the space/time distortion.  Like having some humans - via Autobot technology - colonizing an alien world during the events of Energon (assuming that even worked out with Energon canon) but suddenly finding themselves cut off from Earth and Cybertron because their personal histories suddenly never happened.


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Posted 20 May 2020 - 08:10 PM

Armada Unicron arc is worth a watch at least for the final battle between Optimus and Galvatron, Energon, don't waste your time, its stands as one of the poorest Transformers series. Cybertron, I recomend watching it as Galaxy Force with original language and subtitles, its pretty obvious the people at the animation studio took a look at what been done before in terms of story and said "Sod it!" They opted to go the route of a full on reboot with just the vauge premise of Black hole threatening universe, no need for Unicron, no need for Kicker or the other humans from the previous series and honestly, I think that was a good move on their part, thou the show is far from prefect but its superior to Energon by miles, besides, the toy line was pretty cool, I loved the leader Optimus prime toy, stands as one of my favourte OP figures, sure the show treats him as a Firetruck but he still a badass looking bot with the best Super mode (thou that is debatable) in the four Japanese animes that got offical dubs.


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Posted 20 May 2020 - 08:18 PM

Someday I'll watch them all, Superomegaprime... but I liked the connection Cybertron had, even though it was completely added for the western release.  Given how much I can enjoy fairly generic anime, I'll probably will enjoy Galaxy Force as well (when I get around to it).


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Posted 20 May 2020 - 10:53 PM

And let's not kid ourselves here. It is immensely obvious that the likes of Exillion, Dreadrock, Guardshell, First Aid, etc. were designed with the blatant intention of being the same characters as Hot Shot, Jetfire, Landmine, Red Alert, etc., as evidenced by the consistent designs of their headsculpts.

 

The only Galaxy Force character who felt completely shoehorned into being a preexisting character in a way that was jarring was Sonic Bomber, who was most obviously meant to be an all new character and shared absolutely nothing in common with Wing Saber in terms of personality or visual design. The fact that both of them were winged-altmoded combination partners with Optimus is the only reason they were forced into being the same guy, but that's nothing special since Optimus was combining with multiple different partners across the trilogy: Jetfire, Overload, Omega Supreme, and Leobreaker. What would one more have hurt?

 

Granted, Cybertron Wing Saber turned out to be a much better character (and toy) than Energon Wing Saber, and his having his sword blades store in his wings in altmode did make the name all too appropriate, but still.


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Posted 24 May 2020 - 10:38 AM

 

I view Cybertron as being in a separate continuity from Armada and Energon, so while I like your idea with Starscream, I'd rather just give Armada/Energon Starscream the Transmetal 2 Dinobot treatment.  Also, I've come to accept that I will be unable to solve all of Energon's flaws, I just want to make something that's watchable on paper.


As you wish but... I thought I just described the TM2 Dinobot treatment? :wtf

 

Well, I guess not technically.  If you're not going to go for the original planned, then scrapped, then retconned back in Unicron Trilogy out of these three series, and just cut Transformers: Cybertron, I can respect your decision.  The thing is... all that means is you have your Starscream revenant/cursed clone die a hero, rebelling one last time against Galvatron.

 

Oh, and re-reading my last post, if it wasn't clear, I saw very little of the animation for these series.  Not even a full episode of Energon, maybe two to three of Armada, and 20 or so of Cybertron.  I read episode synopsis, and even an interesting thread reviewing and discussing the entire series titled "Revisting Energon" (or maybe "Revisiting Transformers: Energon" or something like that) by Mako Crab.

 

Anyway, last night was a wash but I've got a tiny bit of time to read some of your stuff now so... I'll go do that. :D

 

Addendum: Since it came up in that TFW2005 thread, I thought I'd mention that, while I completely understand the idea of trying to divorce Cybertron so that the Unicron Trilogy isn't actually a trilogy, I think the better but much more challenging thing is to embrace Unicron's double destruction warping space and time.  Simply put, Transformers messed with such things often enough that it isn't a foreign concept to fans and there are some fascinating story options it enables.

 

Of course, I'm biased because of that Velocitronian Stunticon fic I never finished. :doh The idea was to expand upon the Cybteron setting, and in doing so, encounter more areas (and people and Cybertronians) facing dire consequences from the space/time distortion.  Like having some humans - via Autobot technology - colonizing an alien world during the events of Energon (assuming that even worked out with Energon canon) but suddenly finding themselves cut off from Earth and Cybertron because their personal histories suddenly never happened.

 

I understand your argument, but my disinterest in rewriting Cybertron is ultimately a matter of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."  It works well enough as a standalone series, so I see no point in trying to rewrite it into being something it was never intended to be.


Decepticons, FOREVER!

 

"Taste the cruel bite of my ruthless weaponry."

 

 




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