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@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 10:14 AM)

*ahem* 4th of July....

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 08:14 AM)

Nothing of importance has happened before, and nothing of importance will happen again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 08:12 AM)

Nothing of importance happened today.

@  Telly : (03 July 2020 - 09:54 PM)

i want a "i survived 'rona and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 July 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Slogan for 2021: "I Lived, Bitch."

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

They should make the next book in the Survivors series 'I SURVIVED CORONA VIRUS 2020'

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

YEEEE I'M A SURVIVOR-

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:59 AM)

Probably gonna assemble Devastator after work.

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:58 AM)

Ooooh. Overload arrived. He's surprisingly fun.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 04:00 PM)

He's sweeter than the average bear.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 July 2020 - 03:14 PM)

Convert him to Maple Syrup.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 03:10 PM)

what would Canada do with Yogi?

@  Cyoti : (01 July 2020 - 12:51 PM)

We can deport Yogi back to Canada now.

@  Sabrblade : (01 July 2020 - 12:50 PM)

Jellystone National Pawk. A westful wetweat.

@  Rycochet : (01 July 2020 - 12:47 PM)

Jellystone. We're going to be plunged into a decade of poor animation. Fortunately we've been led by bad cartoon characters for years so we won't notice much difference.

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 July 2020 - 06:19 AM)

what next? YELLOWSTONE?

@  Nevermore : (01 July 2020 - 05:46 AM)

Thanks, dead person.

@  Bass X0 : (01 July 2020 - 05:06 AM)

congratulations to all survivors of the first half of 2020.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 10:21 PM)

21 for me, but after numerous repetitions I got it down to 17 and a half.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 06:16 PM)

I transform in six steps from human to human sitting on my ass at the computer and back again!

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 June 2020 - 05:55 PM)

x-x when in vehicle mode we can travel much F A R T H E R-

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 05:52 PM)

Because despite the fact that we can travel around the world in the time it takes to get a good nights sleep and a couple of meals: people rarely wander more than 25 miles away from home for the duration of their lives.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I don't know how many days that trip takes - especially while sightseeing - but explaining they're 3936 kilometers (2445 miles) apart gives an idea, paradoxically because it is too large to easily picture.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:44 PM)

Aye.  When I catch lay people discussing miles and not how long the trip takes, it is in an attempt to stress how far away something is... like NYC to LA.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

But I can imagine 45 *minutes* easily.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

I can imagine a mile, it's a distance I've run. I can't really imagine 45 miles.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:19 PM)

I think there's also an element of the thing where things that are much bigger than us all blur together.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:49 AM)

If you're not, then you're more concerned with how long it takes.  Actual distance doesn't tell you that very well.  Besides traffic and road conditions, you'll need to know what kind of driving (city/interstate/rural/etc.).

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:47 AM)

Distance matters if you're being paid by the mile.

@  TM2-Megatron : (30 June 2020 - 11:44 AM)

Canadians are the same way, for the most part. If you're driving somewhere far, especially, it helps you plan out the day more than a distance in KM would.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:42 AM)

We use the time it takes to get someplace because that is what is relevant to us.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Because even we can't figure out miles half the time.

@  Paladin : (30 June 2020 - 09:54 AM)

it's a big country with a lot of empty space. between our citizens' ears.

@  Bass X0 : (30 June 2020 - 09:52 AM)

Why do most Americans measure distance by hours of driving?

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 07:26 PM)

And as a result the world's lone blu-ray release of the film, an Australian disc that came out 7 years ago, now goes for hundreds of dollars on eBay. Thanks Disney.

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 06:21 PM)

Well, they censored Daryl Hannah's butt in Splash :rolleyes

@  Paladin : (29 June 2020 - 05:43 PM)

maybe New Mutants is too bad even for D+.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 June 2020 - 05:00 PM)

X-Men films are coming to Disney+ next month. But will they censor Hugh Jackman's butt?

@  -LittleAutob... : (29 June 2020 - 12:44 PM)

Pft.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 11:59 AM)

Behold! Night Strike Galvatron!

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 09:53 AM)

I will grant you a recolored body, and recolored troops to command.

@  Cybersnark : (29 June 2020 - 09:47 AM)

I don't want to be reissued. This body sucks, I wanna be updated.

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 09:43 AM)

I definitely don't intend to be reissued. Nobody would buy me.

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 08:31 AM)

will anybody else attempt to be reissued?

@  wonko the sane? : (29 June 2020 - 07:51 AM)

*Gasp* Decepticons re-writing history to serve their own needs?!?!

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 05:48 AM)

The whole point of the DJD is that they're fanatical Megatron fanboys (especially Tarn) to the point of having their own headcanon taking priority of the actual canon, simply speaking.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 04:01 AM)

They didn't know the war was over until later. And then they denied it anyway.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 June 2020 - 10:47 PM)

"He's comin' right for us!"

@  Telly : (28 June 2020 - 08:40 PM)

was that even still in effect once the war ended?

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 June 2020 - 06:51 PM)

According to Roberts, soldiers can ignore the order to spare Whirl if he's directly threatening them. But mostly the DJD were out of their heads on Nuke and not really caring much at the time.


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Remember that concept art for "Muffy" the unmade Marvel cartoon?


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#1 D.M

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:08 PM

Remember this?
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Well Consumercollectibles managed to obtain more concept art from it.

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Muffy is so siiiilly.

Ain't he silly?

He totally is.

And you know what else he is?

A BLOODY TRANSFORMER!
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Prowl with Optimus Prime's gun.
Dunno about you guys, but I'd say origin of Transformers just got whole lot more complicated.
Hell, could it be that Muffy is connected to "A robots best friend is his dog"?! There's a dog after all. And there's Prowl (or whoever he was at that point).
 
Crazy, isn't it?
 
EDIT:

Well let's make it even crazier! Seeing as Prowl very much ties Muffy to Transformers... then could it be that the green beetle on this Transformers concept art is Muffy?
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Even its driver looks similar to the cheerleader character.

And with Muffy looking so toy-like... just makes you wonder what was Hasbro initially planning?!

Edited by D.M, 26 March 2020 - 10:53 PM.


#2 Sabrblade

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:01 AM

Remember this?

 

Nope. Enlighten me.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:44 AM

He looks a lot like Super Gobot Bug Bite. Same arms, just move the hubs from the ankles to the thighs and lose the hard top part of the head because he's a convertible.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:08 AM

I find this fascinating!
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:59 AM

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.


Yeah, I don't remember this either.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:29 AM


Do we know what the timing on the Muffy material was? The feel is so very 70s-early-80s kiddie comedy Cartoon. It would make sense as an early "We heard about these toys from Japan where cars become robots" pitch as a Rubics Cube Cartoon type show, focused on one toy/character, instead of the expanded toy line, more boys Action Adventure take we actually got.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:33 AM

 

 

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.

 


Yeah, I don't remember this either.

 

 

I did a quick search and all I could find that this was from an aborted production that would have been named "Car and Cable".

 

http://starlogged.bl...-in-198485.html

https://www.allspark...-archive/page-2

 

According to the podcast, it was proposed for 1985, so it would have come later than Transformers.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:02 AM

I'm tending to think that this pitch was developed very early, almost as soon as Hasbro got the rights to import the toys in summer/autumn 83.  Because after the success of the first GI Joe miniseries that September, Griffin-Bacal saw that syndication was the way forward (prior to the 83/84 TV season, it was mostly a boneyard for repeat packages of old network shows).  


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:46 AM

He looks a lot like Super Gobot Bug Bite. Same arms, just move the hubs from the ankles to the thighs and lose the hard top part of the head because he's a convertible.

I had the exact same thought.


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#10 D.M

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:08 AM

 

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.

 

 
One of the concept art presented in the article about Marvel productions:
http://starlogged.bl...-in-198485.html
 
Used to seem like nothing but a knockoff and yet...
 
 

Do we know what the timing on the Muffy material was? The feel is so very 70s-early-80s kiddie comedy Cartoon. It would make sense as an early "We heard about these toys from Japan where cars become robots" pitch as a Rubics Cube Cartoon type show, focused on one toy/character, instead of the expanded toy line, more boys Action Adventure take we actually got.

-ZacWilliam, I wish we could have deep interviews with all the people who pitched back then.


 
It's somewhere between 1981 and 1984.
 

According to the podcast, it was proposed for 1985, so it would have come later than Transformers.


No, that's when the article was published. Much if not all of the concept art featured date before that (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, Dungeons & Dragons, Pandamonium...).
 
Teen Hulk, Hulk Hound, Daredevil and The Aliens, for example, date back to 1983:
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:56 AM

A chick with a Beetle ....nah would never work


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:19 PM

That is so weird, it feels more Hanna-Barbera than what Marvel were putting out at that time.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:51 PM

That is so weird, it feels more Hanna-Barbera than what Marvel were putting out at that time.

 

By 1983, Marvel were desperate.  They couldn't get networks to pick up any of their own properties.  In fact in trying to get him to write the pilot, Mark Evanier was told by Lee Gunther that if they couldn't sell D&D to a network, the company would have to close for good.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:42 PM

Fascinating.

 

And a really solid pitch job, visually - I think we all instantly know what Muffy the character and show "are like" based just from these pitch pieces.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:35 PM

I can already hear the stock Hanna Barbera sound effects.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 05:11 PM

It was suggested that this might be Dennis Marks' pitch for the Mysterions that left clients Knickerbocker aghast due to it's goofiness, as related by Jim Shooter on his blog.  

http://jimshooter.co...rs-part-1.html/

 

 

Another highlight:  Part of the meeting was a scheduled conference call with Dennis Marks, head of development at Marvel Productions.  For reasons I’ll never understand, the people who ran Marvel Productions until Margaret Loesch took over hated us comics people.  David DePatie, Head of Production, especially.  They thought of us as amateurish morons, and our work as garbage.  MUCH more on that, later.

At any rate, we had provided the studio with my treatment and back story. 

Dennis spoke about what the studio proposed to do with the Mysterions property, which was to completely ignore my work and do something completely different.  And stupid.  With cute, wacky kids and a goofy dog.

That was the only time the Knickerbocker people showed any life.  They told Dennis that they wanted what I had created, not what he was talking about.  They couldn’t understand where he was coming from.  Didn’t he read the treatment?

 

I don't think this is that.  I suspect that, though Jeffrey Scott was hired to do the TF pitch, he was taking a lot of direction from Marks on this.  The people who worked on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends have commented on how he would try to make the show silly and a lot of the same tropes are there.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:14 PM

I though Muffy was the teenager...


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:39 PM

Wasn't Muffy an elephant?
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:02 PM

"Muffy" is 100% short for "Muffler".



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:27 PM

It was suggested that this might be Dennis Marks' pitch for the Mysterions that left clients Knickerbocker aghast due to it's goofiness, as related by Jim Shooter on his blog.  
http://jimshooter.co...rs-part-1.html/
 

Another highlight:  Part of the meeting was a scheduled conference call with Dennis Marks, head of development at Marvel Productions.  For reasons I’ll never understand, the people who ran Marvel Productions until Margaret Loesch took over hated us comics people.  David DePatie, Head of Production, especially.  They thought of us as amateurish morons, and our work as garbage.  MUCH more on that, later.[/size]
At any rate, we had provided the studio with my treatment and back story. 
Dennis spoke about what the studio proposed to do with the Mysterions property, which was to completely ignore my work and do something completely different.  And stupid.  With cute, wacky kids and a goofy dog.
That was the only time the Knickerbocker people showed any life.  They told Dennis that they wanted what I had created, not what he was talking about.  They couldn’t understand where he was coming from.  Didn’t he read the treatment?

 
I don't think this is that.  I suspect that, though Jeffrey Scott was hired to do the TF pitch, he was taking a lot of direction from Marks on this.  The people who worked on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends have commented on how he would try to make the show silly and a lot of the same tropes are there.

 


Looking back at Jim's article... I think I may have worked out the timeline:
 
-In early 1983, Knickerbocker Toys licenses bunch of Japanese transforming robot toys (possibly Machine-Robo), creates the "Mysterions" line.

-DC Comics is approached to develop the tie-in media. Things didn't work out.

-Marvel is approached to develop the tie-in media. A deal was made.

-Marvel Comics (specifically Jim Shooter) and Marvel Productions (specifically Jeffrey Scott) develop two separate takes. MP comes up with a premise that would become Muffy.

-Hasbro acquires Knickerbocker Toys.

-Hasbro pitches Diaclone/Microman toys to Marvel.

-Mysterions and Diaclone/Microman cast get merged into "Car and Cable"

-MP revises their Mysterions treatment to include Diaclone/Microman cast. At MC, Denny O'Neil comes up with a brand new story treatment which is ultimately deemed unusable.

-"Car and Cable" gets rebranded to "Transformers", factions get named "Autobots" and "Decepticons".

-Jim Shooter writes a brand new story treatment. Bob Budiansky writes the bios.

-By November of 1983, a licensing issue with Mysterions portion may have occurred which might back up the idea that these were indeed Machine-Robo toys.

-That month the 1st advert is storyboarded, but with Diaclone/Microman cast only.

-MP creates a batch of model sheets in the style of Muffy. Nobody seems to have liked it (and these are really stupid looking as well as odd).

-Kohara comes up with his model sheets.

-Floro Dery gets brought in to revise Kohara's models and to design rest of the cast.

-Utilizing Dery's initial models, MP creates a batch of concept art on which Mysterions elements can still be spotted.

-Mysterions get axed completely, Muffy is no more, RIP.

-Things begin to take their final form and rest is history.
 
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