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@  wonko the sane? : (12 April 2021 - 09:49 AM)

Great. Now I want a borg cube unicron...

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (12 April 2021 - 09:00 AM)

We still need Transformers x Star Trek toy.

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 April 2021 - 05:39 AM)

I saw most of them at retail at TRU, but that's not an option in the US anymore.

@  tigerhawk : (12 April 2021 - 04:21 AM)

Dibs on naming the Ark robot Arkonus.

@  Kalidor : (11 April 2021 - 09:48 PM)

The only Titan figure I ever saw at retail was Trypticon at Ollie's

@  PlutoniumBoss : (11 April 2021 - 09:12 PM)

Robosen Prime has market crossover with not just the toy collectors, but robotics enthusiasts quite willing to pay that price for a product like this.

@  wonko the sane? : (11 April 2021 - 08:33 PM)

One of my two local TRUs will stock exactly ONE titan at a time. It usually ends up "clearanced" for about 20 bucks off cause no one is willing to pay for at full price OR discounted.

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 April 2021 - 07:56 PM)

Most stores don't seem to want to stock Commanders or Titans, never mind Unicron.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 April 2021 - 07:55 PM)

I wonder if Unicron going to crowdfuning wasn't just a price issue but also stores not wanting to stock and transport something so huge.

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 April 2021 - 07:47 PM)

It is, although this thing could also be considered a STEM educational tool

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 April 2021 - 07:33 PM)

Doesn't change the fact that, for most people, $700 is a pretty hefty investment for a toy.

@  TM2-Megatron : (11 April 2021 - 07:17 PM)

I dunno, $700 doesn't seem that bad for what it does. Some of those Masterpiece figures seem to go for at least half that price, and they don't have any actual robots or even electronics.

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 April 2021 - 05:35 PM)

Not to mention wallet-shattering.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (11 April 2021 - 04:30 PM)

It's a jargon-shattering figure.

@  Kalidor : (10 April 2021 - 08:50 PM)

The licensed Optimus Prime that transforms itself is the appropriate usage of the term "Third Party"

@  Donocropolis : (10 April 2021 - 08:24 AM)

That Optimus isn't built by Hasbro, only licensed. The company that makes it has been making similar robots for years, so no crowdfundng required.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 April 2021 - 08:05 AM)

Apparently they're selling one for 74 and a half thousand dollars.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 April 2021 - 08:01 AM)

We could write boston dynamics and ask?

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 April 2021 - 07:59 AM)

Granted, I'm not sure how much robots with elaborate movement tend to go for.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 April 2021 - 07:56 AM)

I think with actual robotics it was easier to justify selling it at a high cost, compared to an unusually large action figure.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 April 2021 - 05:06 AM)

It is a very impressive display of robotics though.

@  tigerhawk : (10 April 2021 - 04:52 AM)

What were they thinking with that self transforming Optimus? should have been another crowd funder for that price.

@  tigerhawk : (08 April 2021 - 03:33 PM)

I wish they'd rerelease Earthrise Ramjet and Dirge.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 April 2021 - 03:04 PM)

Yay! optimus primal just arrived. So now there's... nothing for me to look forward to till scorponok drops... hmmm, I didn't think this through properly...

@  wonko the sane? : (07 April 2021 - 04:26 PM)

It's an older title which recently got a remake so...

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 April 2021 - 01:10 PM)

Ah yes- I think I've heard of that game before. I may be thinking about something else though.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 April 2021 - 08:03 AM)

It's a video game. You get hired to revive and restore a series of derelict space stations.

@  tigerhawk : (07 April 2021 - 07:05 AM)

I've got no idea what that is but yes.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 April 2021 - 06:34 AM)

so... literally the plot to startopia.

@  tigerhawk : (07 April 2021 - 02:32 AM)

Maybe if the Interstellar Alliance collapsed after the big burn and a 'benefactor' repurposed a space station as a commerce one. Oh wait...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (06 April 2021 - 04:35 PM)

Babylon 6?

@  Donocropolis : (06 April 2021 - 11:49 AM)

I'd rather have a Toilet Seat: TNG sequel series than an actual reboot. If something was done well the first time, don't give us the same-thing-but-worse, just give us something new on that bowl..

@  wonko the sane? : (06 April 2021 - 10:19 AM)

Context: my parents had the bathroom redone about a year ago (actually, almost exactly a year ago, as the project was about 4 days from complete and was interrupted by the first pandemic lockdown.). The ridiculous, fancy toilet seat they purchased has since develloped cracks in it and needs to be returned. Dad simply could not get the seat off himself... and see previous shout.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 April 2021 - 10:17 AM)

How to ruin somesones day with one question: Let someone work on a problem for about an hour and a half on their own, come to the realization they need an extra set of hands, ask for help, show you the problem and outright difficulty of it: then ask them "Hey, what does this button do?" and literally solve the two man dilema without doing any work.

@  Dekafox : (06 April 2021 - 09:22 AM)

As far as the TNT move, all of Season 5 was basically epilogue, which didn't help - when it looked like things were ending at Season 4 JMS tried to cram all the major plot threads for his original Season 4 and 5 plan into Season 4, which didn't leave them as much to work with for Season 5. Then TNT totally screwed with Crusade and got it killed before it got a chance to hit the real plot and nothing else really resonated enough to get a series push. A Crusade revival would be the best "B5:TNG" option IMO.

@  electricidad : (06 April 2021 - 08:55 AM)

Peak B5 was the first six episodes of season 4. EVERYTHING CAME TO A HEAD.

@  Kevin S : (06 April 2021 - 08:50 AM)

Generally, I think once B5 moved to TNT things went downhill. The sets didn't look as good (maybe due to ill use of better lighting) and I wasn't always as impressed with casting (Sheridan's new 2nd just didn't work). The movies had decent ideas, but I felt there was something off in the execution. Wonder if TNT pushed for different directors that weren't as familar with B5.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 April 2021 - 08:42 AM)

Did the follow up movies do that badly, or does the creator simply feel like his story was told and refuses to allow more content?

@  Donocropolis : (06 April 2021 - 08:23 AM)

I'd rather have a B5: TNG sequel series than an actual reboot. If something was done well the first time, don't give us the same-thing-but-worse, just give us something new in that world.

@  tigerhawk : (06 April 2021 - 01:26 AM)

A reboot would probably be ruined by meddling and different visions anyway. 

@  Echowarrior : (05 April 2021 - 09:12 PM)

JMS wrote about half of the first season, a little over half of the second, all of the third and fourth, and all but one episode from the fifth. Given he was also the creator and executive producer, him having so much creative control was likely a condition for getting the show made. Shame he didn't have it for Crusade.

@  Dekafox : (05 April 2021 - 08:44 AM)

They also had JMS write every single script bar maybe 2 or 3? That was another big part of how well it hangs together. Do you think any studio would do that nowadays?

@  tigerhawk : (05 April 2021 - 08:16 AM)

Let it be the first all AI acted series.

@  Echowarrior : (04 April 2021 - 08:31 PM)

Yeah, but would the reboot be as good as the original? B5 had a damn good cast, and they can't replicate that easily.

@  Rycochet : (04 April 2021 - 04:33 PM)

One day they'll let a streaminbg service reboot B5 and let the stories be told without the sword of Damocles hanging over them at all times.

@  tigerhawk : (04 April 2021 - 02:32 PM)

It's aged in the set piece areas.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 April 2021 - 02:22 PM)

I don't remember much of B5... I take it we're not talking about cathode ray tubes...

@  tigerhawk : (04 April 2021 - 11:45 AM)

Babylon 5 CRT tech.

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2021 - 06:13 PM)

Bloody hell, thanks for the heads up.

@  Bass X0 : (03 April 2021 - 04:55 PM)

be careful with her. someone on tfw2005 broke her wing taking her out of the packaging.


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Remember that concept art for "Muffy" the unmade Marvel cartoon?


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#1 D.M

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:08 PM

Remember this?
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Well Consumercollectibles managed to obtain more concept art from it.

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Muffy is so siiiilly.

Ain't he silly?

He totally is.

And you know what else he is?

A BLOODY TRANSFORMER!
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Prowl with Optimus Prime's gun.
Dunno about you guys, but I'd say origin of Transformers just got whole lot more complicated.
Hell, could it be that Muffy is connected to "A robots best friend is his dog"?! There's a dog after all. And there's Prowl (or whoever he was at that point).
 
Crazy, isn't it?
 
EDIT:

Well let's make it even crazier! Seeing as Prowl very much ties Muffy to Transformers... then could it be that the green beetle on this Transformers concept art is Muffy?
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Even its driver looks similar to the cheerleader character.

And with Muffy looking so toy-like... just makes you wonder what was Hasbro initially planning?!

Edited by D.M, 26 March 2020 - 10:53 PM.


#2 Sabrblade

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:01 AM

Remember this?

 

Nope. Enlighten me.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:44 AM

He looks a lot like Super Gobot Bug Bite. Same arms, just move the hubs from the ankles to the thighs and lose the hard top part of the head because he's a convertible.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:08 AM

I find this fascinating!
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:59 AM

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.


Yeah, I don't remember this either.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:29 AM


Do we know what the timing on the Muffy material was? The feel is so very 70s-early-80s kiddie comedy Cartoon. It would make sense as an early "We heard about these toys from Japan where cars become robots" pitch as a Rubics Cube Cartoon type show, focused on one toy/character, instead of the expanded toy line, more boys Action Adventure take we actually got.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:33 AM

 

 

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.

 


Yeah, I don't remember this either.

 

 

I did a quick search and all I could find that this was from an aborted production that would have been named "Car and Cable".

 

http://starlogged.bl...-in-198485.html

https://www.allspark...-archive/page-2

 

According to the podcast, it was proposed for 1985, so it would have come later than Transformers.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:02 AM

I'm tending to think that this pitch was developed very early, almost as soon as Hasbro got the rights to import the toys in summer/autumn 83.  Because after the success of the first GI Joe miniseries that September, Griffin-Bacal saw that syndication was the way forward (prior to the 83/84 TV season, it was mostly a boneyard for repeat packages of old network shows).  


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:46 AM

He looks a lot like Super Gobot Bug Bite. Same arms, just move the hubs from the ankles to the thighs and lose the hard top part of the head because he's a convertible.

I had the exact same thought.


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#10 D.M

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:08 AM

 

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.

 

 
One of the concept art presented in the article about Marvel productions:
http://starlogged.bl...-in-198485.html
 
Used to seem like nothing but a knockoff and yet...
 
 

Do we know what the timing on the Muffy material was? The feel is so very 70s-early-80s kiddie comedy Cartoon. It would make sense as an early "We heard about these toys from Japan where cars become robots" pitch as a Rubics Cube Cartoon type show, focused on one toy/character, instead of the expanded toy line, more boys Action Adventure take we actually got.

-ZacWilliam, I wish we could have deep interviews with all the people who pitched back then.


 
It's somewhere between 1981 and 1984.
 

According to the podcast, it was proposed for 1985, so it would have come later than Transformers.


No, that's when the article was published. Much if not all of the concept art featured date before that (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, Dungeons & Dragons, Pandamonium...).
 
Teen Hulk, Hulk Hound, Daredevil and The Aliens, for example, date back to 1983:
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:56 AM

A chick with a Beetle ....nah would never work


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:19 PM

That is so weird, it feels more Hanna-Barbera than what Marvel were putting out at that time.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:51 PM

That is so weird, it feels more Hanna-Barbera than what Marvel were putting out at that time.

 

By 1983, Marvel were desperate.  They couldn't get networks to pick up any of their own properties.  In fact in trying to get him to write the pilot, Mark Evanier was told by Lee Gunther that if they couldn't sell D&D to a network, the company would have to close for good.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:42 PM

Fascinating.

 

And a really solid pitch job, visually - I think we all instantly know what Muffy the character and show "are like" based just from these pitch pieces.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:35 PM

I can already hear the stock Hanna Barbera sound effects.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 05:11 PM

It was suggested that this might be Dennis Marks' pitch for the Mysterions that left clients Knickerbocker aghast due to it's goofiness, as related by Jim Shooter on his blog.  

http://jimshooter.co...rs-part-1.html/

 

 

Another highlight:  Part of the meeting was a scheduled conference call with Dennis Marks, head of development at Marvel Productions.  For reasons I’ll never understand, the people who ran Marvel Productions until Margaret Loesch took over hated us comics people.  David DePatie, Head of Production, especially.  They thought of us as amateurish morons, and our work as garbage.  MUCH more on that, later.

At any rate, we had provided the studio with my treatment and back story. 

Dennis spoke about what the studio proposed to do with the Mysterions property, which was to completely ignore my work and do something completely different.  And stupid.  With cute, wacky kids and a goofy dog.

That was the only time the Knickerbocker people showed any life.  They told Dennis that they wanted what I had created, not what he was talking about.  They couldn’t understand where he was coming from.  Didn’t he read the treatment?

 

I don't think this is that.  I suspect that, though Jeffrey Scott was hired to do the TF pitch, he was taking a lot of direction from Marks on this.  The people who worked on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends have commented on how he would try to make the show silly and a lot of the same tropes are there.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:14 PM

I though Muffy was the teenager...


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:39 PM

Wasn't Muffy an elephant?
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:02 PM

"Muffy" is 100% short for "Muffler".



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:27 PM

It was suggested that this might be Dennis Marks' pitch for the Mysterions that left clients Knickerbocker aghast due to it's goofiness, as related by Jim Shooter on his blog.  
http://jimshooter.co...rs-part-1.html/
 

Another highlight:  Part of the meeting was a scheduled conference call with Dennis Marks, head of development at Marvel Productions.  For reasons I’ll never understand, the people who ran Marvel Productions until Margaret Loesch took over hated us comics people.  David DePatie, Head of Production, especially.  They thought of us as amateurish morons, and our work as garbage.  MUCH more on that, later.[/size]
At any rate, we had provided the studio with my treatment and back story. 
Dennis spoke about what the studio proposed to do with the Mysterions property, which was to completely ignore my work and do something completely different.  And stupid.  With cute, wacky kids and a goofy dog.
That was the only time the Knickerbocker people showed any life.  They told Dennis that they wanted what I had created, not what he was talking about.  They couldn’t understand where he was coming from.  Didn’t he read the treatment?

 
I don't think this is that.  I suspect that, though Jeffrey Scott was hired to do the TF pitch, he was taking a lot of direction from Marks on this.  The people who worked on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends have commented on how he would try to make the show silly and a lot of the same tropes are there.

 


Looking back at Jim's article... I think I may have worked out the timeline:
 
-In early 1983, Knickerbocker Toys licenses bunch of Japanese transforming robot toys (possibly Machine-Robo), creates the "Mysterions" line.

-DC Comics is approached to develop the tie-in media. Things didn't work out.

-Marvel is approached to develop the tie-in media. A deal was made.

-Marvel Comics (specifically Jim Shooter) and Marvel Productions (specifically Jeffrey Scott) develop two separate takes. MP comes up with a premise that would become Muffy.

-Hasbro acquires Knickerbocker Toys.

-Hasbro pitches Diaclone/Microman toys to Marvel.

-Mysterions and Diaclone/Microman cast get merged into "Car and Cable"

-MP revises their Mysterions treatment to include Diaclone/Microman cast. At MC, Denny O'Neil comes up with a brand new story treatment which is ultimately deemed unusable.

-"Car and Cable" gets rebranded to "Transformers", factions get named "Autobots" and "Decepticons".

-Jim Shooter writes a brand new story treatment. Bob Budiansky writes the bios.

-By November of 1983, a licensing issue with Mysterions portion may have occurred which might back up the idea that these were indeed Machine-Robo toys.

-That month the 1st advert is storyboarded, but with Diaclone/Microman cast only.

-MP creates a batch of model sheets in the style of Muffy. Nobody seems to have liked it (and these are really stupid looking as well as odd).

-Kohara comes up with his model sheets.

-Floro Dery gets brought in to revise Kohara's models and to design rest of the cast.

-Utilizing Dery's initial models, MP creates a batch of concept art on which Mysterions elements can still be spotted.

-Mysterions get axed completely, Muffy is no more, RIP.

-Things begin to take their final form and rest is history.
 
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