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@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2020 - 12:41 PM)

It arrived! Yay!

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2020 - 11:25 AM)

Given how the virus lasts about 3-4 days on metals and plastics, it's about the only way to go about getting stuff right now. I ordered a monitor mount for my desk and the delivery has been pushed back twice already.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 April 2020 - 11:04 AM)

He ordered it online, says it was to keep those delivery boys in business. I did the same a week ago with some Transformers Studio Series figures off Kapow. Don't know if it's wise or not considering.

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2020 - 09:12 AM)

You'd be the first. Everyone else has either been frustrated cause the one they wanted was sold out (like during boxing week.) or rushing to replace something broken.

@  RYNO : (03 April 2020 - 08:53 AM)

I actually walked into a store the other day and just randomly decided to buy at 32inch TV. It was just a Vizio, and grabbed a Mounting Bracket for it. No duress. Just a spur of the moment wanted a TV for my master bedroom.

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2020 - 07:31 AM)

Conversely: I've never met a person who wasn't buying a TV under duress... so... yeah.

@  wonko the sane? : (03 April 2020 - 07:20 AM)

I think I've met maybe two people other than myself who count cables before buying a TV.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (03 April 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Seriously.. HDMI splitters and switches are so bloody finicky, but most tvs don't have enough inputs.

@  Maximus Ambus : (03 April 2020 - 05:09 AM)

Just spent a hour trying to get my brothers new Samsung TV to read his Playstation and Blu Ray player only to find he was using a HDMI splitter.

@  Steevy Maximus : (02 April 2020 - 11:07 AM)

I could never master oral bullshittery. But in my day I was quite adept with the written word.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 April 2020 - 11:32 PM)

You have mastered the art of Bulljive. You must use this power only for good, or entertainment.

@  Sabrblade : (01 April 2020 - 08:58 PM)

This morning, for one of my online classes, I had to give a positive oral presentation about a play that I hated having to watch. I went into it completely unprepared and just winged it. My professor LOVED my presentation and thought it was excellent. She believed every word I said and honestly thought that I enjoyed that miserable play. Best April Fools ever!

@  ▲ndrusi : (01 April 2020 - 10:06 AM)

Happy Everyone Thinks They're A Comedian Now Day!

@  Donocropolis : (31 March 2020 - 05:45 AM)

Who, I might add, has never been photographed together with Byteman. Just sayin'.

@  Sabrblade : (30 March 2020 - 10:27 PM)

Bruce Wayne's cyberpunk cousin?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 March 2020 - 09:27 PM)

Laser Wayne

@  Sabrblade : (30 March 2020 - 09:08 PM)

Luther Unum

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 March 2020 - 07:09 PM)

Or Lee Derwon.

@  Steevy Maximus : (30 March 2020 - 06:51 PM)

Not to be confused with Leader I

@  Steevy Maximus : (30 March 2020 - 06:50 PM)

He was Leader Uno

@  Steevy Maximus : (30 March 2020 - 06:50 PM)

He was the OTHER Leader 1

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 March 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Or Sideways.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (30 March 2020 - 05:26 PM)

On the other hand, this is Armada we're talking about. It could have actually been Metroplex.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 March 2020 - 11:08 PM)

Oh yeah, that was Fort Max. My bad.

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 March 2020 - 09:12 PM)

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Peritus_Maximus

@  LBD "Nyt... : (28 March 2020 - 09:11 PM)

Christmas Maximus?

@  Maximus Ambus : (28 March 2020 - 01:13 PM)

At least the ozone layer is healing. unless this is a 0.0000000001% thing it's sounds like good news.

@  ▲ndrusi : (28 March 2020 - 09:27 AM)

(But only pretty sure, not 100% sure.)

@  ▲ndrusi : (28 March 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Pretty sure y'all were thinking of Fortress Maximus yesterday.

@  Bass X0 : (28 March 2020 - 12:38 AM)

Dare! Dare to believe you can survive 2020!

@  Steevy Maximus : (27 March 2020 - 08:18 PM)

Baja Blast is back at retail!

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 March 2020 - 03:47 PM)

Shame he wasn't around more. He seemed like such a jolly, happy soul.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (27 March 2020 - 02:16 PM)

No, he was definitely Metroplex. You could tell because he was in Metroplex's distinctive red and green coloration.

@  Paladin : (27 March 2020 - 02:11 PM)

that was Leader-1. or possibly Jolt. maybe Grindor...

@  PlutoniumBoss : (27 March 2020 - 01:57 PM)

Metroplex was in Armada, in a flashback. He was the same size as everybody else. I thought that was the joke.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (27 March 2020 - 12:39 PM)

@Rodimus Supreme: Gah! You are right! How'd I get that mixed up? x.x;

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 March 2020 - 12:14 PM)

There is no Metroplex. Only Zuul.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (27 March 2020 - 11:13 AM)

@Tm_Silverclaw: There is no Armada Metroplex, he was in Cybertron.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (27 March 2020 - 11:12 AM)

And they'd be better off just retooling Metroplex and Fortress Maximus to be somewhat more accurate and changing/adding parts for interaction with later play gimmicks.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (27 March 2020 - 11:11 AM)

I honestly would prefer that for scale purposes.

@  Cyoti : (27 March 2020 - 11:07 AM)

They can redo all the CW combiners as Titan Class figures like Predaking/Devastator.

@  Dekafox : (27 March 2020 - 07:52 AM)

They could just redo Metroplex again too. Especially if it's going to be S3 based. They could also do another Primus to go with the coming Unicron.

@  OverDrive73 : (26 March 2020 - 10:56 PM)

If anyone is bored, or interested... I just added the last chapter to my fanfic comic in Allspark Pictures

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (26 March 2020 - 10:54 PM)

And no.. We could always get Titan Class Superion.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (26 March 2020 - 10:53 PM)

We need Titan Class Transformers Armada Metroplex.

@  Telly : (26 March 2020 - 08:39 PM)

ill be surprised if scorpy isnt the last titan

@  PlutoniumBoss : (26 March 2020 - 05:57 PM)

Too bad a new character titan class figure is pretty much an impossibility.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (26 March 2020 - 05:56 PM)

I want a titan class, really good looking bucket wheel excavator. Like Cybertron Metroplex was supposed to be but didn't quite pull off.

@  wonko the sane? : (26 March 2020 - 03:32 PM)

I just taped up a shower curtain and took my first shower in three weeks. It was heavenly.

@  Rodimus Supreme : (26 March 2020 - 11:48 AM)

I would buy that...


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Remember that concept art for "Muffy" the unmade Marvel cartoon?


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#1 D.M

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Posted 26 March 2020 - 10:08 PM

Remember this?
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Well Consumercollectibles managed to obtain more concept art from it.

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Muffy is so siiiilly.

Ain't he silly?

He totally is.

And you know what else he is?

A BLOODY TRANSFORMER!
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Prowl with Optimus Prime's gun.
Dunno about you guys, but I'd say origin of Transformers just got whole lot more complicated.
Hell, could it be that Muffy is connected to "A robots best friend is his dog"?! There's a dog after all. And there's Prowl (or whoever he was at that point).
 
Crazy, isn't it?
 
EDIT:

Well let's make it even crazier! Seeing as Prowl very much ties Muffy to Transformers... then could it be that the green beetle on this Transformers concept art is Muffy?
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Even its driver looks similar to the cheerleader character.

And with Muffy looking so toy-like... just makes you wonder what was Hasbro initially planning?!

Edited by D.M, 26 March 2020 - 10:53 PM.


#2 Sabrblade

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:01 AM

Remember this?

 

Nope. Enlighten me.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:44 AM

He looks a lot like Super Gobot Bug Bite. Same arms, just move the hubs from the ankles to the thighs and lose the hard top part of the head because he's a convertible.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:08 AM

I find this fascinating!
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:59 AM

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.


Yeah, I don't remember this either.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:29 AM


Do we know what the timing on the Muffy material was? The feel is so very 70s-early-80s kiddie comedy Cartoon. It would make sense as an early "We heard about these toys from Japan where cars become robots" pitch as a Rubics Cube Cartoon type show, focused on one toy/character, instead of the expanded toy line, more boys Action Adventure take we actually got.

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 08:33 AM

 

 

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.

 


Yeah, I don't remember this either.

 

 

I did a quick search and all I could find that this was from an aborted production that would have been named "Car and Cable".

 

http://starlogged.bl...-in-198485.html

https://www.allspark...-archive/page-2

 

According to the podcast, it was proposed for 1985, so it would have come later than Transformers.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:02 AM

I'm tending to think that this pitch was developed very early, almost as soon as Hasbro got the rights to import the toys in summer/autumn 83.  Because after the success of the first GI Joe miniseries that September, Griffin-Bacal saw that syndication was the way forward (prior to the 83/84 TV season, it was mostly a boneyard for repeat packages of old network shows).  


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 09:46 AM

He looks a lot like Super Gobot Bug Bite. Same arms, just move the hubs from the ankles to the thighs and lose the hard top part of the head because he's a convertible.

I had the exact same thought.


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#10 D.M

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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:08 AM

 

Remember this?

 
Nope. Enlighten me.

 

 
One of the concept art presented in the article about Marvel productions:
http://starlogged.bl...-in-198485.html
 
Used to seem like nothing but a knockoff and yet...
 
 

Do we know what the timing on the Muffy material was? The feel is so very 70s-early-80s kiddie comedy Cartoon. It would make sense as an early "We heard about these toys from Japan where cars become robots" pitch as a Rubics Cube Cartoon type show, focused on one toy/character, instead of the expanded toy line, more boys Action Adventure take we actually got.

-ZacWilliam, I wish we could have deep interviews with all the people who pitched back then.


 
It's somewhere between 1981 and 1984.
 

According to the podcast, it was proposed for 1985, so it would have come later than Transformers.


No, that's when the article was published. Much if not all of the concept art featured date before that (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, Dungeons & Dragons, Pandamonium...).
 
Teen Hulk, Hulk Hound, Daredevil and The Aliens, for example, date back to 1983:
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 11:56 AM

A chick with a Beetle ....nah would never work


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:19 PM

That is so weird, it feels more Hanna-Barbera than what Marvel were putting out at that time.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 12:51 PM

That is so weird, it feels more Hanna-Barbera than what Marvel were putting out at that time.

 

By 1983, Marvel were desperate.  They couldn't get networks to pick up any of their own properties.  In fact in trying to get him to write the pilot, Mark Evanier was told by Lee Gunther that if they couldn't sell D&D to a network, the company would have to close for good.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 02:42 PM

Fascinating.

 

And a really solid pitch job, visually - I think we all instantly know what Muffy the character and show "are like" based just from these pitch pieces.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 04:35 PM

I can already hear the stock Hanna Barbera sound effects.



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 05:11 PM

It was suggested that this might be Dennis Marks' pitch for the Mysterions that left clients Knickerbocker aghast due to it's goofiness, as related by Jim Shooter on his blog.  

http://jimshooter.co...rs-part-1.html/

 

 

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At any rate, we had provided the studio with my treatment and back story. 

Dennis spoke about what the studio proposed to do with the Mysterions property, which was to completely ignore my work and do something completely different.  And stupid.  With cute, wacky kids and a goofy dog.

That was the only time the Knickerbocker people showed any life.  They told Dennis that they wanted what I had created, not what he was talking about.  They couldn’t understand where he was coming from.  Didn’t he read the treatment?

 

I don't think this is that.  I suspect that, though Jeffrey Scott was hired to do the TF pitch, he was taking a lot of direction from Marks on this.  The people who worked on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends have commented on how he would try to make the show silly and a lot of the same tropes are there.


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:14 PM

I though Muffy was the teenager...


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Posted 27 March 2020 - 06:39 PM

Wasn't Muffy an elephant?
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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:02 PM

"Muffy" is 100% short for "Muffler".



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Posted 27 March 2020 - 07:27 PM

It was suggested that this might be Dennis Marks' pitch for the Mysterions that left clients Knickerbocker aghast due to it's goofiness, as related by Jim Shooter on his blog.  
http://jimshooter.co...rs-part-1.html/
 

Another highlight:  Part of the meeting was a scheduled conference call with Dennis Marks, head of development at Marvel Productions.  For reasons I’ll never understand, the people who ran Marvel Productions until Margaret Loesch took over hated us comics people.  David DePatie, Head of Production, especially.  They thought of us as amateurish morons, and our work as garbage.  MUCH more on that, later.[/size]
At any rate, we had provided the studio with my treatment and back story. 
Dennis spoke about what the studio proposed to do with the Mysterions property, which was to completely ignore my work and do something completely different.  And stupid.  With cute, wacky kids and a goofy dog.
That was the only time the Knickerbocker people showed any life.  They told Dennis that they wanted what I had created, not what he was talking about.  They couldn’t understand where he was coming from.  Didn’t he read the treatment?

 
I don't think this is that.  I suspect that, though Jeffrey Scott was hired to do the TF pitch, he was taking a lot of direction from Marks on this.  The people who worked on Spider-Man And His Amazing Friends have commented on how he would try to make the show silly and a lot of the same tropes are there.

 


Looking back at Jim's article... I think I may have worked out the timeline:
 
-In early 1983, Knickerbocker Toys licenses bunch of Japanese transforming robot toys (possibly Machine-Robo), creates the "Mysterions" line.

-DC Comics is approached to develop the tie-in media. Things didn't work out.

-Marvel is approached to develop the tie-in media. A deal was made.

-Marvel Comics (specifically Jim Shooter) and Marvel Productions (specifically Jeffrey Scott) develop two separate takes. MP comes up with a premise that would become Muffy.

-Hasbro acquires Knickerbocker Toys.

-Hasbro pitches Diaclone/Microman toys to Marvel.

-Mysterions and Diaclone/Microman cast get merged into "Car and Cable"

-MP revises their Mysterions treatment to include Diaclone/Microman cast. At MC, Denny O'Neil comes up with a brand new story treatment which is ultimately deemed unusable.

-"Car and Cable" gets rebranded to "Transformers", factions get named "Autobots" and "Decepticons".

-Jim Shooter writes a brand new story treatment. Bob Budiansky writes the bios.

-By November of 1983, a licensing issue with Mysterions portion may have occurred which might back up the idea that these were indeed Machine-Robo toys.

-That month the 1st advert is storyboarded, but with Diaclone/Microman cast only.

-MP creates a batch of model sheets in the style of Muffy. Nobody seems to have liked it (and these are really stupid looking as well as odd).

-Kohara comes up with his model sheets.

-Floro Dery gets brought in to revise Kohara's models and to design rest of the cast.

-Utilizing Dery's initial models, MP creates a batch of concept art on which Mysterions elements can still be spotted.

-Mysterions get axed completely, Muffy is no more, RIP.

-Things begin to take their final form and rest is history.
 
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