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@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

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KHAAAAAAAN


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#1 Autobot Bubbs

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 10:20 AM

Been on for a few weeks, until now I've only watched on Youtube.  Caught an episode last night.

Simplest thing for me to say.... I wish they reran episodes.

Anybody else catch it?


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 11:21 AM

I have and I like it. The witch's design reminds me of Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo. I like the animation be it wish they didn't have Alex Hirsch as two of the main characters. His voice is too recognizable and I've grown tired of his Bill Cypher (and now King) voice. Other than that it's good. Not sure if it's as good as Kipo or Amphibia though.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 12:11 PM

I'm loving it, though in my case the distracting voice is Eda. I keep seeing her as a retired Principal Folsom.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 12:20 PM

I'm loving it, though in my case the distracting voice is Eda. I keep seeing her as a retired Principal Folsom.


Principal Folsom? From Fillmore?! Dang, that's one of the best of the underated Disney toons.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 08:07 PM

I really like it.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 09:29 PM

King is my new spirit animal. I don't recognize his voice from anywhere.


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Posted 02 February 2020 - 07:29 PM

Is the Owl lady the same woman from Just Shoot me? I think it is

 

The show is ok


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Posted 02 February 2020 - 07:44 PM

Is the Owl lady the same woman from Just Shoot me? I think it is


It is her.
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Posted 06 February 2020 - 01:44 PM

Saw three eps. It's a US isekai. Seems like a lot of that for females lately. Amphibia, Star Butterfly (reversed for her but works for Marco), Kipo (counts cuz she's transported to an unfamiliar place), Infinity Train. Luz is Hispanic but there have been male heroes heading their own shows before (Generator Rex, those luchador shows).

Art style like tighter Steven Universe. Looks like Ghibli Howl's Moving Castle. That worm monster in the intro is freaky.

Didn't recognize Bill Cipher's voice but I knew I heard the twang somewhere before.

Seems ok but I thought the 'being different is fine' in the first ep is too heavy handed.

And considering how Star Versus could do so much in 10min segments, this feels like it could have done the same.

All the round making needed to cast spells makes me think of Full Metal Alchemist, geez.

Am curious to see the endgame here, seeing that she ISN'T a chosen one.

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 10:21 PM

The fight between Eda and Lilith in episode 5 was really nicely animated.

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 05:20 PM

I love this show


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Posted 26 April 2020 - 03:18 AM

Saw three eps. It's a US isekai. Seems like a lot of that for females lately. Amphibia, Star Butterfly (reversed for her but works for Marco), Kipo (counts cuz she's transported to an unfamiliar place), Infinity Train. Luz is Hispanic but there have been male heroes heading their own shows before (Generator Rex, those luchador shows).
 

Sort of a belated reply here, since I haven't been following this show very closely (although I've liked what I've seen), and thus not this thread.

 

But I wouldn't label this show "Isekai" particularly.  "Visitor to a fantasy world" isn't exactly a new fantasy concept.  But what seems to separate isekai from that is the escapist fantasy of it.  Isekai isn't "fish out of water trying to make his/her way in a strange new world", it's "esoteric loser is exactly what's needed to upset the horrid status quo in the other world".  That is to say "wish fulfillment Mary Sue bullcrap".

 

Series like Escaflowne or Inuyasha are not recognized as isekai (although they also predate the popularity of that term, so who knows), and differ in that while the protags enjoy the benefits of an outside perspective, they still endure trials and hardships in order to secure victory.  Meanwhile, the common thread in the isekai genre is that the protagonist is absolutely flawless the way he is.  He could be a useless, pants-wetting otaku in real life, but the fantasy world will bend over backwards to somehow make that the epitome of godliness.  It's the Japanese equivalent of the plague of young-adult fiction here in the West, in the vein of Twilight or Divergent, wherein a plain, otherwise talentless person is whisked away into a world of fantasy and wonder and made the center of attention for contrived reason.  Hollow, escapist bullshit.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 09:05 AM

Another dividing detail is that in isekai, the protagonist appears to be (or is easily mistaken for) a native of that world due to reincarnation.

This is a Portal Fantasy; someone from (ostensibly) our world passes through a portal/doorway/wormhole that deposits them in another world where they explicitly don't fit in (the ironic twist in this case being that Luz didn't fit in in this world, whereas the Boiling Isles seem tailor made for her).

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 02:05 PM

I don't really want to derail this thread but that might be what I do:

 

isekai
Meaning: "Another world"
usually referring to Japanese stories (anime, manga, light novels or web novels) which involve the main character being transported into another world via either reincarnation, summoning, or a god transmigrating them.
the setting is usually but not always, medieval fantasy with swords and magic.

 

 

Just because there is a theme of the main character being over powered and a mary stu, doesn't mean that's what the word/term means.

 

Go watch Ascendance of a Bookworm and tell me how they're a mary stu.

 

Escaflowne and Digimon can technically be isekai. They were just made before the term got popular. I personally don't see Inu Yasha as one since they aren't really in a new world, just in the past. Even if the past world is vastly different from modern times.

 

Isekai done correctly, at least in my opinion, is when the main character is able to affect the world due to knowledge the particularly have being they were born in another world.

 

Shield Hero is a good example of how the world doesn't bend over backwards to work for him. If anything everything in the world is trying to screw him over by the end of the first episode.

 

I particularly enjoy it when we get something like Bookworm, who is changing the world simply because she knows how to make shampoo and they don't have that yet.

 

Or more recently "My Next Life as a Villainess: All routes lead to DOOM" (What happened to when anime titles were like: "Fruit Basket" and that was it. Now 70% of anime seem to have a damn paragraph as the title!) Where the main character realizes they are a character in a game they used to play. Namely the villain who either got killed or banished in the game, and now she's desperately trying to avoid that fate.

 

Those are examples of when I feel the isekai term works.

 

Now it's not to say there aren't a ton of bad shows. There was one where the main character was in some world where he went around beating up the head of basically military/royal families, and in order to spare them it was custom for him to offer them the role of his daughter or sister?

I have no idea what that anime was called because I very quickly dropped it.

 

That all being said, I wouldn't consider Owl House to be isekai exactly. Luz didn't really get summoned/reincarnated/etc.


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Posted 26 April 2020 - 05:22 PM

I'm aware of what the WORD isekai means, but the genre tropes encompass generally the lot of what I've said. There ARE good ones that effectively challenge the hero, but there's still generally the power/escapist fantasy of how a person generally dissatisfied by his lot in life finds himself in a setting where his weaknesses and tribulations in life amount to a boon instead. The genre itself is overcrowded by the overpowered hero version, especially as the genre has become so overplayed and ubiquitous that isekai PARODY series have now become almost the norm, over straight tellings.

As for the over-long anime/manga titles, how I understand it, is that the trend came about because one of the most popular and long-standing ranking sites for manga didn't provide space for descriptive captions on the front page. So mangaka took to "hacking" the system by making the description the title, helping them distinguish their premise from others' more easily. There's some truth to that. If the list just rattles off things like "Trinity Blood" and "Blood+" and "Trinity Seven" and "Samurai 7", that all just rather blurs together.


Anywho, back on general topic, I really should try to catch more of this show. Again, I've greatly enjoyed the few episodes I've seen.

While rather obvious, I found it very appropriate that the first magic "Luz" learned to perform was a light spell.

Another anime connection, but it sort of amused me that after I had just finished watching Diamond is Unbreakable, the first episode I caught of this prominently featured the voice of Billy Kametz (Josuke).

Edited by mx-01 archon, 26 April 2020 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 01:18 AM

Just following through but I thought Isekai is just 'a person in a strange world'. I didn't know the method of him going there is important (ala being summoned because of prophecy or incarnation). I figure even going there on purpose or by accident is enough, as long as it's still 'a person adjusting in the strange world'.

On Liz though, as it is with kid empowerment shows, you know she will eventually effect great change in the new world. She already started with the 'free the oppressed and different people's from the first ep.

That's why I thought it was good that she ISN'T a Chosen One, from that magic map ep.

Diamond is Unbreakable? So who did Josuke voice in Owl House?

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 04:51 AM

Diamond is Unbreakable? So who did Josuke voice in Owl House?

Billy Kametz voiced the "studly eye-candy adventurer" in that episode where that puppetmaster demon deceived Luz into thinking she was "the Chosen One".


Edited by mx-01 archon, 27 April 2020 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 06:43 AM

Oh, that guy, yeah. That episode monster reveal was creepy as hex.

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Posted 28 April 2020 - 08:39 AM

Just following through but I thought Isekai is just 'a person in a strange world'. I didn't know the method of him going there is important (ala being summoned because of prophecy or incarnation). I figure even going there on purpose or by accident is enough, as long as it's still 'a person adjusting in the strange world'.

 

Probably not important enough to really worry about. Mostly it does mean the person was sent there and 'overpowered' has become a reoccurring theme. I was just miffed that the post basically slammed all isekai into being garbage, when it's not.

 

Love it or hate it, it's what got me into watching anime again.

 

Anyway, Owl House is good. Let me not derail this topic anymore.


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