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@  Nevermore : (12 June 2021 - 03:43 AM)

8ass X÷ has hijacked this conversation.

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Bass XO is not to be confused with Bay Sexo.

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It's good to be back, after that outage I think I'll try to post more.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 June 2021 - 12:16 PM)

I think Hasbro Pulse is broken. Dang Star Wars nerds!

@  tigerhawk : (10 June 2021 - 04:46 AM)

When I googled 'space bridge' I was disappointed. Maybe in a hundred years.

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Bass XO is backward compatible with the Sega Master System.

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Bass XO doesn't feel pain. He can't be reasoned with!

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Bass XO has no known weaknesses.

@  Nevermore : (08 June 2021 - 06:15 AM)

Base XO is definitely unstoppable.

@  Donocropolis : (07 June 2021 - 04:30 PM)

What about magnets? No one knows how they work or what they can do.

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Yes Cybershark, and now no force in the universe can stop us.

@  Cybersnark : (07 June 2021 - 10:03 AM)

Aaaan we're back!

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its alive! AAAALIIIIIIVEEEEEE! *maniacal laugh*

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WHAT!!! ALLSPARK!!! you IN LIVE!!!!!!

@  Donocropolis : (06 June 2021 - 01:53 PM)

Indeed. I was missing it.

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So glad the boards are back!

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It's alive! Alive!

@  wonko the sane? : (05 June 2021 - 08:32 PM)

Aw man, I missed this place...

@  Sabrblade : (05 June 2021 - 08:31 PM)

Now here in Manhattan, the spell is broken! And we live again!

@  PlutoniumBoss : (05 June 2021 - 08:16 PM)

Groovy.

@  Kaon : (05 June 2021 - 07:23 PM)

How is everyone

@  Kaon : (05 June 2021 - 06:42 PM)

test

@  tigerhawk : (24 May 2021 - 07:42 AM)

I'm making progress with tweezers. It's no great loss given Dai Atlas minor roles anyway, I really do prefer this mold for Titans Overlord and Sky Shadow,

@  unluckiness : (22 May 2021 - 09:57 PM)

Had that happen once. Drilled a 1 mmhole in the peg and superglued a rivet into it for something to pull on.

@  tigerhawk : (22 May 2021 - 09:44 PM)

pliers, superglue, heat, nothing has worked so far but I had to take yesterday off due to pfizer side effects.

@  unluckiness : (22 May 2021 - 07:04 AM)

is there enough plastic sticking out to yank it out with pliers?

@  tigerhawk : (21 May 2021 - 01:05 PM)

Oh great my Legends Dai Atlas fell and the gun snapped in two, the handle is stuck in the port on top of the vehicle mode.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2021 - 04:14 AM)

Also, our compound terms are legendary among foreigners, because we throw them together as a single word, with no spaces and usually without hyphens too.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2021 - 04:12 AM)

You can have straightforward sentences that are a literal word-replace translation of stuff like "I go to school", but once you throw in perfect tense and prepositions, you end up with insane constructions where the main verb is at the very end of a very long sentence, so you have to listen to the whole sentence until you have any clue what is going on.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2021 - 04:10 AM)

And I stand by that. German sentence structure can be utterly insane.

@  Nevermore : (21 May 2021 - 04:10 AM)

Fun fact: When I was teaching German kids English, I kept telling them that English grammar and especially sentence structure is more logical than German.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2021 - 01:17 AM)

e.g. Lion-Eating Poet in the Stone Den was by a Chinese guy pointing out the weirdness in his own language, rather than the frustrations of somebody learning Chinese as their second. So English isn't the only case where native speakers might enocunter funky issues.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 May 2021 - 01:17 AM)

Then I shall concede, and retire.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2021 - 01:14 AM)

I'm not sure if that's even all that unique to English.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 May 2021 - 01:07 AM)

Which is why I specified those comparing learning it to learning other languages as a second language.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2021 - 01:04 AM)

And I don't think "ancedotal frustration" means much, considering that every language has complaints from people trying to learn it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2021 - 01:03 AM)

The fact that these stand out certainly makes Japanese "not a smoothie". And it's only consistent within more recent loanwords. Older ones stick out in a different way.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 May 2021 - 01:00 AM)

Even writing them generally in katakana is a consistent treatment, and gives someone learning the language a general expected approach. I'd say the anecdotal frustration with English by those learning it compared to learning other languages as a second language is a demonstration that this sort of consistency and organization was not a valued thing in the past few centuries of the language's development.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2021 - 12:28 AM)

Frankly, it just sounds like you think other languages seem a certain way because you don't look into them all that much.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 May 2021 - 12:28 AM)

It's pretty pervasive in Japanese as well, with how these feature into everyday speech.. And I don't know what you even mean by "deep", since writing them in a particular character set basically calls attention to not just their derivative nature, but their relative recency as well.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (21 May 2021 - 12:25 AM)

Indeed, every language has those artifacts if you examine deeply enough, but in English they're not deep, and they're pervasive.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 May 2021 - 11:56 PM)

like Japanese using three different script types together, and more recent word borrowings tend to be in katakana.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (20 May 2021 - 11:51 PM)

I don't know what you mean by "cohesively". Borrowings are probably obvious if you know what to look for.


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 10:20 AM

Been on for a few weeks, until now I've only watched on Youtube.  Caught an episode last night.

Simplest thing for me to say.... I wish they reran episodes.

Anybody else catch it?


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 11:21 AM

I have and I like it. The witch's design reminds me of Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo. I like the animation be it wish they didn't have Alex Hirsch as two of the main characters. His voice is too recognizable and I've grown tired of his Bill Cypher (and now King) voice. Other than that it's good. Not sure if it's as good as Kipo or Amphibia though.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 12:11 PM

I'm loving it, though in my case the distracting voice is Eda. I keep seeing her as a retired Principal Folsom.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 12:20 PM

I'm loving it, though in my case the distracting voice is Eda. I keep seeing her as a retired Principal Folsom.


Principal Folsom? From Fillmore?! Dang, that's one of the best of the underated Disney toons.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 08:07 PM

I really like it.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 09:29 PM

King is my new spirit animal. I don't recognize his voice from anywhere.


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Posted 02 February 2020 - 07:29 PM

Is the Owl lady the same woman from Just Shoot me? I think it is

 

The show is ok


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Posted 02 February 2020 - 07:44 PM

Is the Owl lady the same woman from Just Shoot me? I think it is


It is her.
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Posted 06 February 2020 - 01:44 PM

Saw three eps. It's a US isekai. Seems like a lot of that for females lately. Amphibia, Star Butterfly (reversed for her but works for Marco), Kipo (counts cuz she's transported to an unfamiliar place), Infinity Train. Luz is Hispanic but there have been male heroes heading their own shows before (Generator Rex, those luchador shows).

Art style like tighter Steven Universe. Looks like Ghibli Howl's Moving Castle. That worm monster in the intro is freaky.

Didn't recognize Bill Cipher's voice but I knew I heard the twang somewhere before.

Seems ok but I thought the 'being different is fine' in the first ep is too heavy handed.

And considering how Star Versus could do so much in 10min segments, this feels like it could have done the same.

All the round making needed to cast spells makes me think of Full Metal Alchemist, geez.

Am curious to see the endgame here, seeing that she ISN'T a chosen one.

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 10:21 PM

The fight between Eda and Lilith in episode 5 was really nicely animated.

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 05:20 PM

I love this show


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Posted 26 April 2020 - 03:18 AM

Saw three eps. It's a US isekai. Seems like a lot of that for females lately. Amphibia, Star Butterfly (reversed for her but works for Marco), Kipo (counts cuz she's transported to an unfamiliar place), Infinity Train. Luz is Hispanic but there have been male heroes heading their own shows before (Generator Rex, those luchador shows).
 

Sort of a belated reply here, since I haven't been following this show very closely (although I've liked what I've seen), and thus not this thread.

 

But I wouldn't label this show "Isekai" particularly.  "Visitor to a fantasy world" isn't exactly a new fantasy concept.  But what seems to separate isekai from that is the escapist fantasy of it.  Isekai isn't "fish out of water trying to make his/her way in a strange new world", it's "esoteric loser is exactly what's needed to upset the horrid status quo in the other world".  That is to say "wish fulfillment Mary Sue bullcrap".

 

Series like Escaflowne or Inuyasha are not recognized as isekai (although they also predate the popularity of that term, so who knows), and differ in that while the protags enjoy the benefits of an outside perspective, they still endure trials and hardships in order to secure victory.  Meanwhile, the common thread in the isekai genre is that the protagonist is absolutely flawless the way he is.  He could be a useless, pants-wetting otaku in real life, but the fantasy world will bend over backwards to somehow make that the epitome of godliness.  It's the Japanese equivalent of the plague of young-adult fiction here in the West, in the vein of Twilight or Divergent, wherein a plain, otherwise talentless person is whisked away into a world of fantasy and wonder and made the center of attention for contrived reason.  Hollow, escapist bullshit.



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Posted 26 April 2020 - 09:05 AM

Another dividing detail is that in isekai, the protagonist appears to be (or is easily mistaken for) a native of that world due to reincarnation.

This is a Portal Fantasy; someone from (ostensibly) our world passes through a portal/doorway/wormhole that deposits them in another world where they explicitly don't fit in (the ironic twist in this case being that Luz didn't fit in in this world, whereas the Boiling Isles seem tailor made for her).

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 02:05 PM

I don't really want to derail this thread but that might be what I do:

 

isekai
Meaning: "Another world"
usually referring to Japanese stories (anime, manga, light novels or web novels) which involve the main character being transported into another world via either reincarnation, summoning, or a god transmigrating them.
the setting is usually but not always, medieval fantasy with swords and magic.

 

 

Just because there is a theme of the main character being over powered and a mary stu, doesn't mean that's what the word/term means.

 

Go watch Ascendance of a Bookworm and tell me how they're a mary stu.

 

Escaflowne and Digimon can technically be isekai. They were just made before the term got popular. I personally don't see Inu Yasha as one since they aren't really in a new world, just in the past. Even if the past world is vastly different from modern times.

 

Isekai done correctly, at least in my opinion, is when the main character is able to affect the world due to knowledge the particularly have being they were born in another world.

 

Shield Hero is a good example of how the world doesn't bend over backwards to work for him. If anything everything in the world is trying to screw him over by the end of the first episode.

 

I particularly enjoy it when we get something like Bookworm, who is changing the world simply because she knows how to make shampoo and they don't have that yet.

 

Or more recently "My Next Life as a Villainess: All routes lead to DOOM" (What happened to when anime titles were like: "Fruit Basket" and that was it. Now 70% of anime seem to have a damn paragraph as the title!) Where the main character realizes they are a character in a game they used to play. Namely the villain who either got killed or banished in the game, and now she's desperately trying to avoid that fate.

 

Those are examples of when I feel the isekai term works.

 

Now it's not to say there aren't a ton of bad shows. There was one where the main character was in some world where he went around beating up the head of basically military/royal families, and in order to spare them it was custom for him to offer them the role of his daughter or sister?

I have no idea what that anime was called because I very quickly dropped it.

 

That all being said, I wouldn't consider Owl House to be isekai exactly. Luz didn't really get summoned/reincarnated/etc.


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Posted 26 April 2020 - 05:22 PM

I'm aware of what the WORD isekai means, but the genre tropes encompass generally the lot of what I've said. There ARE good ones that effectively challenge the hero, but there's still generally the power/escapist fantasy of how a person generally dissatisfied by his lot in life finds himself in a setting where his weaknesses and tribulations in life amount to a boon instead. The genre itself is overcrowded by the overpowered hero version, especially as the genre has become so overplayed and ubiquitous that isekai PARODY series have now become almost the norm, over straight tellings.

As for the over-long anime/manga titles, how I understand it, is that the trend came about because one of the most popular and long-standing ranking sites for manga didn't provide space for descriptive captions on the front page. So mangaka took to "hacking" the system by making the description the title, helping them distinguish their premise from others' more easily. There's some truth to that. If the list just rattles off things like "Trinity Blood" and "Blood+" and "Trinity Seven" and "Samurai 7", that all just rather blurs together.


Anywho, back on general topic, I really should try to catch more of this show. Again, I've greatly enjoyed the few episodes I've seen.

While rather obvious, I found it very appropriate that the first magic "Luz" learned to perform was a light spell.

Another anime connection, but it sort of amused me that after I had just finished watching Diamond is Unbreakable, the first episode I caught of this prominently featured the voice of Billy Kametz (Josuke).

Edited by mx-01 archon, 26 April 2020 - 05:49 PM.


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 01:18 AM

Just following through but I thought Isekai is just 'a person in a strange world'. I didn't know the method of him going there is important (ala being summoned because of prophecy or incarnation). I figure even going there on purpose or by accident is enough, as long as it's still 'a person adjusting in the strange world'.

On Liz though, as it is with kid empowerment shows, you know she will eventually effect great change in the new world. She already started with the 'free the oppressed and different people's from the first ep.

That's why I thought it was good that she ISN'T a Chosen One, from that magic map ep.

Diamond is Unbreakable? So who did Josuke voice in Owl House?

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 04:51 AM

Diamond is Unbreakable? So who did Josuke voice in Owl House?

Billy Kametz voiced the "studly eye-candy adventurer" in that episode where that puppetmaster demon deceived Luz into thinking she was "the Chosen One".


Edited by mx-01 archon, 27 April 2020 - 04:51 AM.


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 06:43 AM

Oh, that guy, yeah. That episode monster reveal was creepy as hex.

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Posted 28 April 2020 - 08:39 AM

Just following through but I thought Isekai is just 'a person in a strange world'. I didn't know the method of him going there is important (ala being summoned because of prophecy or incarnation). I figure even going there on purpose or by accident is enough, as long as it's still 'a person adjusting in the strange world'.

 

Probably not important enough to really worry about. Mostly it does mean the person was sent there and 'overpowered' has become a reoccurring theme. I was just miffed that the post basically slammed all isekai into being garbage, when it's not.

 

Love it or hate it, it's what got me into watching anime again.

 

Anyway, Owl House is good. Let me not derail this topic anymore.


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