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@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 07:43 PM)

@Fenix Twilight Sure. Just not a good one.

@  Fenix Twilight : (25 October 2020 - 04:02 PM)

@Sukoshiko Well his clothes left an impression on you didn't they?

@  TheMightyMol... : (25 October 2020 - 06:09 AM)

I just read "Tesla Cybertruck" like AC/DC's "Thunderstruck", now it won't get out of my head, so I inflict it on all of you as well.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:25 AM)

Tesla Cybertruck: amazing or just silly looking? I can't decide.

@  Sukoshiko : (25 October 2020 - 12:24 AM)

Weird question: I had to deal with a guy today... I'm not exactly up on modern fashions... or even archaic fashions... But this guy... Tuxedo Jacket and shirt, studs in all the button holes except the bottom one, blue jeans, and cowboy boots... Take a moment to imagine that get up. And this was to a business meeting, trying to impress someone. What look is that? Who on earth would dress that way? (I mean on purpose)

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:04 PM)

I think the few up here were lost to bad placement, poor weather, and the usual language trap.

@  TM2-Megatron : (24 October 2020 - 04:25 PM)

There are 5 spread around southwestern Ontario, all run by the same company. I've only been to the one in my area, but it seems to do good business even in non-pandemic times. On long weekends, when they do triple features, there's a normally a lineup to get in Friday and Saturday nights

@  Telly : (24 October 2020 - 01:51 PM)

there been one outside of my town for as long as ive been alive at least. its gone through its share of owners and periods of being closed down, but its been open for the past decade at least

@  Otaku : (24 October 2020 - 12:08 PM)

Bias from personal experience, but drive-in theaters are nearly extinct.  I grew up near one but it went out of business in the late 80s, and was torn down and replaced with some other business by the early 90s.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 07:47 AM)

Out here, I mean. Couldn't comment on their popularity in place where they actually exist.

@  wonko the sane? : (24 October 2020 - 06:44 AM)

I wouldn't know. They've only come back into vogue with the social distancing from the plague, and while some places have made an effort to shoestring the places together, it's all largely too distant to be accessible.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:46 PM)

I'd hate to see ours replaced by condos. They're a great way to spend an evening, whether with family or on a date. And they've never been as common in Canada as the US, so we cna't afford to lose as many

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:45 PM)

Largely they were either poorly placed or bought out and torn down to be replaced by something other than over priced short term parking. Mostly condos.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:14 PM)

I guess your winters are worse, so they have a shorter operating season. Drive-ins in the Toronto area can usually operate until early or mid-December; maybe even into early January if there's no real snowfall, and open up again sometime in March.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 09:13 PM)

THere's really only 1 left in the entire province?

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Ha! It's probably faster for me to drive to your drive in than to make my way to the only one left in quebec.

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Fortunately we still have a drive-in theatre that's exempt from the closures about a 10 minute drive away

@  TM2-Megatron : (23 October 2020 - 06:57 PM)

Theatres around here are closed again for at least another couple weeks (wouldn't be surprised if it's extended by another month or so, either), but that's what they've been doing here as well. Playing the old classics

@  Maximus Ambus : (23 October 2020 - 02:36 PM)

I got Earthrise Megatron, he's better then I thought he'd be though Netflix Megatron is still tops.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:44 AM)

The original Rocky movie is also showing. May go next weekend. That’s how you get people back in the theatres - show the old classics every adult loves.

@  wonko the sane? : (23 October 2020 - 10:35 AM)

They did a limited run showing of it up here too, back when the theaters were open... red zones suck.

@  Bass X0 : (23 October 2020 - 10:13 AM)

The original Back To The Future is showing in the Odeon in the UK now. I think I will go see it tomorrow.

@  Donocropolis : (23 October 2020 - 05:51 AM)

It was either the Bumblebee or Cliffjumper. Can't remember the colors.

@  Kalidor : (22 October 2020 - 06:43 PM)

What did it look like?

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 01:34 PM)

I swear I remember getting the Happymeal G1 minibot as a child, but I live 2.5 hours from St. Louis, which is the only place they apparently came out. It's possible that I got it on a family vacation, though, as we went to Six Flags pretty often.

@  ▲ndrusi : (22 October 2020 - 01:07 PM)

Conversely, I had the Gobot helicopter from Wendy's and I was absolutely convinced it was an actual Transformer.

@  Donocropolis : (22 October 2020 - 08:13 AM)

I used to rubber-band Hot-Wheels style construction vehicles together and pretend it was Devestator.

@  Bass X0 : (21 October 2020 - 05:26 PM)

When I was about four years old, my parents bought me Bugbite and tried to tell me it was Bumblebee. I was not yet a fan of Transformers, but I knew that wasn't Bumblebee. I didn't even have the real Bumblebee at that time.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:39 PM)

It would come with two soundtracks: the eighties classic and one featuring dubstep and the VAs are popular Youtubers.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 12:13 PM)

But yeah, reading it: I came off as a bit of an ass.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:52 AM)

I just couldn't think of worse music than disco...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 11:35 AM)

What were you trying to imply with the mocking sarcasm, though? Nobody suggested that '80s music was any more "of it's time" than '70s music.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 11:18 AM)

I said that disco wouldn't fare much better with the same context: media is property of it's time; biases, culture and limitations are all inherent in that. Some stuff can be brought forward because of an inherently timeless nature or the simplicity with which it was made but lots of media is a time capsule of the period of when it was made.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 08:46 AM)

I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, or what you even think I said.

@  wonko the sane? : (21 October 2020 - 08:11 AM)

Yeah, cause disco would make the transition so much better...

@  NotVeryKnightly : (21 October 2020 - 07:17 AM)

I feel the '80s music would be jarring when running over current-day CGI instead of well, '80s visuals.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 05:39 AM)

Not a remake, reanimated scene for scene, like that fan vid titled they were always real to me.

@  TheMightyMol... : (21 October 2020 - 04:37 AM)

Because we need more remakes these days.

@  Maximus Ambus : (21 October 2020 - 01:36 AM)

Be a hoot if these Studio Series 86 toys led to Transformers The Move Reanimated like Pokemon Mewtwo Strikes Back Evolution.

@  Paladin : (20 October 2020 - 05:15 PM)

only takes three pounds to be a cereal killer.

@  Kalidor : (20 October 2020 - 04:54 PM)

5 pounds is a lot of cereal! /deadpan

@  Maximus Ambus : (20 October 2020 - 02:32 PM)

Seems the area near my work place is due to be gentrified. Electric car ports, fifty pound haircuts and five pound bowls of cereal in breakfast cafes I'll bet.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 11:31 PM)

@ZakuConvoy Lumines Electric Symphony. So still halfway interesting, and it’ll play on the PS TV

@  Demovere Xeno : (19 October 2020 - 10:36 PM)

@Maximus: I paired the Battle Patrol with Ironworks and they look good together, though the Off Road Patrol would probably fit best as vehicles you're likely to find at a construction site.

@  ZakuConvoy : (19 October 2020 - 09:39 PM)

So...was it something like Tearaway or Gravity Rush or was it just a FIFA or a Madden?

@  wonko the sane? : (19 October 2020 - 08:26 PM)

Sounds like they need to clean more often.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 October 2020 - 06:51 PM)

From the depths of Walmart's backroom comes...a Playstation Vita game in 2020?

@  Telly : (19 October 2020 - 02:20 PM)

and my bow

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:49 AM)

<GIMLI> And my axe! </GIMLI>

@  Donocropolis : (19 October 2020 - 11:47 AM)

He's got my vote!


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#21 LV!

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 10:21 AM

Keep in mind that the USPTO revoking a trademark's registration in no way prevents an entity from running a convention they call Botcon and claiming it as a trademark. It just makes it harder to prevent anyone else from using it too.

 

Anyway, if this does end up involving FP in literally any way, I can safely go back to not caring.



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 10:34 AM

The USPTO argues that the name is "merely descriptive", meaning just "roBOT CONvention". The most viable counterargument, that it is and has always been also based on "AutoBOT DeceptiCON, is one that Fun Pub dare not make because they don't own those trademarks.
So was Hasbro just waiting for this process to end?


Non-lawyers, please stop trying to talk like lawyers with definitive authority on what the best legal thing is. At least acknowledge that this legal stuff does not always match lay intuition. I'm an actual lawyer that studied this stuff thoroughly in school. I am nowhere near an expert on this, but will do my best with that as a disclaimer.

1) Hasbro does not have trademarks "Bot" and "Con".
Also, Autobot is still derivative of robot. Not a slam dunk argument.

2) Re Hasbro waiting it out. FunPub could pay a relatively small fee and do the cheapest possible thing every few years to hold onto the trademark in perpetuity. Also, if the USPTO invalidates aspects of the Trademark (as opposed to it just expiring), that makes the Trademark weaker in the long-term, even if they manage to obtain it after FunPub theoretically let it lapse...which they likely won't for another few years, at minimum, since they just put in money for an appeal.

VOTE FOR SIDEWAYS:

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 10:53 AM

Non-lawyers, please stop trying to talk like lawyers with definitive authority on what the best legal thing is.


No authority implied in my speculation and I appreciated you taking the time to elaborate.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 10:56 AM

the guys writing the robot profiles weren't the same ones making Ching Chong jokes and posing the exclusive toys in real-world massacre sites

I'm reminded of that time just after 9/11 an American Gundam fan made a star spangled Sazabi in memorial to the tragedy.

 

Sazabi being a mobile suit that in its sole canon appearance was used to safeguard the hurling of large objects into civilian targets as terrorist attacks. Bravo, chief...



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 11:01 AM

real-world massacre sites

What, like, Cambodian forced labor camps?

The Syrian civil war.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 11:13 AM

It's not truly BotCon unless you feel compelled to donate to UNICEF after an update.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 01:34 PM

real-world massacre sites

What, like, Cambodian forced labor camps?
The Syrian civil war.
So. "Fake news alert" while at one point that was the image it was quickly rectified by the club in the proper solicitation image where the backgrounds are very different.
It was mixed with a group of unattributed "historical" images acquired by the contracted graphic designer. It was corrected as soon as the context was realized... For proof:
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From this news posting here on Allspark:
https://www.allspark...k-squad-teaser/

Ya grasping at some straws there, bud.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 01:43 PM

If I have to block a company's [unspecified representative] on Facebook because he keeps charging into threads with racist stuff, I don't really want that company involved with the thing I like.

[Edit: Life's too short for this]

Edited by Chip, 01 February 2020 - 02:16 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 01:52 PM

real-world massacre sites

What, like, Cambodian forced labor camps?
The Syrian civil war.
So. "Fake news alert" while at one point that was the image it was quickly rectified by the club in the proper solicitation image where the backgrounds are very different.
It was mixed with a group of unattributed "historical" images acquired by the contracted graphic designer. It was corrected as soon as the context was realized... For proof:
Capture+_2020-02-01-12-29-08~2.png
From this news posting here on Allspark:
https://www.allspark...k-squad-teaser/

Ya grasping at some straws there, bud.
You cant say fake news and then confirm it happened right after.

I mean you can but it doesnt help your case.

That particular instance seems like an honest mistake but stuff like horridly racist impressions were not.

Edited by MrBlud, 01 February 2020 - 01:53 PM.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 01:55 PM

If I have to block a company's PR guy on Facebook because he keeps charging into threads with racist stuff, I don't really want that company involved with the thing I like.


Lemme be real with ya, chief. You blocked him because you disagree with his personal opinions that he shares through his personal profile. That's a lot more realistic than irresponsibly tossing that R worded title around at someone you have a disagreement with.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 01:58 PM

real-world massacre sites

What, like, Cambodian forced labor camps?
The Syrian civil war.
So. "Fake news alert" while at one point that was the image it was quickly rectified by the club in the proper solicitation image where the backgrounds are very different.
It was mixed with a group of unattributed "historical" images acquired by the contracted graphic designer. It was corrected as soon as the context was realized... For proof:Capture+_2020-02-01-12-29-08~2.png
From this news posting here on Allspark:https://www.allspark...k-squad-teaser/
Ya grasping at some straws there, bud.
You cant say fake news and then confirm it happened right after.
I mean you can but it doesnt help your case.
That particular instance seems like an honest mistake but stuff like horridly racist impressions were not.

That's why I put it in quotes.
The fake news aspect is acting like they ran with those backgrounds until final release. When they changed it with haste once they were made aware of what they were.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 02:02 PM

"Chief", do not condescend to me on something you know nothing about.

[Edited to be less inflammatory, because that's needed.]

Edited by Chip, 01 February 2020 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 02:08 PM

We can agree to disagree, so civility may prevail and we can all just be excited for whatever is on the horizon for the future of Botcon! :)

Edited by Primal Sabbath, 01 February 2020 - 02:08 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 02:20 PM

I miss BotCon. I just want this part of it to be over. Can this part be over?

Realistically I'm not making it to a BotCon 2020 regardless. Future years would be nice.

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 02:30 PM

I just miss getting new toys in general, too lol
Only way I experienced most new molds was through Botcon sets. I'm very picky with retail offerings and Selects has been nice and convinced me it was a Club FSS replacement line... But I still miss that rush of getting to the chosen Botcon city on that Tuesday or Wednesday and the endorphin drip of picking up the pre-reg toys, getting them out, reading the comic. It was always an exciting rush!

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 03:21 PM

If I have to block a company's PR guy on Facebook because he keeps charging into threads with racist stuff, I don't really want that company involved with the thing I like.

Lemme be real with ya, chief. You blocked him because you disagree with his personal opinions that he shares through his personal profile. That's a lot more realistic than irresponsibly tossing that R worded title around at someone you have a disagreement with.

yes I disagreed with personal opinions that certain black people deserved to get shot by police and that all people of a certain faith are violent savages, sorry the R word was irresponsibly thrown around

it was also fun back when he'd say being gay or non-binary is immoral, so we can dig up more irresponsible words if you want

but this was just on his personal feed I guess so it's cool

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 03:32 PM

Except even that isn't right. I don't have experience with his personal feed; this was all over posts from people we happened to know in common.

Edited by Chip, 01 February 2020 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2020 - 05:13 PM

I was under the impression that FunPub itself didn't exist anymore, so surely this isn't gonna just be, like, that gang picking up where they left off in 2016.



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Posted 01 February 2020 - 06:31 PM

Ok, as I understand during the run of Fub Pub, their systems were hacked leading to all credit card numbers were leaked. Then after they apologized it happened again.

Now to complain about Botcon:

During the last year, the credit card system used for the club store was barely working so hundreds of TF nerds had to hit up the unprepared hotel ATMs.

Having the con in Chicago was cool, having it miles away from Chicago in a small town with a bad transit system was weird.

The cosplay contests weren't great, going by audience-applause to decide the winner just favors G1 over talented crafting.

The video contests, even in 2016, entries must be submitted by mailing in a video CD-ROM. Like, FunPub, you're telling me this over the internet, you know the internet is a big deal, you have a goddamn youtube channel! Consequently I was one of the 3 people who entered, and had a pretty easy victory.

Lines, so many infinite lines. This is the nature of conventions, and at least I'm in the lines in good company. Having retail-availible stuff in the club store was odd.

It was just straight-up better during movie years.

The exclusive were great, but what started as exceptional toys produced with the involvement of fans, for the fans, is now irrelevant when the mainline toys started to go nuts and give us Straxus and Jhiaxus. Now we have Fans making stuff for Fans without Hasbro involved at all! So we're left with a quirky idea stolen from Star Trek, and then even more of that. Honestly 10+ exclusives went well past reasonable function of Commemoration.

Club fiction was so caught up in itself that it's a whole 'nother teir of inaccessible. A blur of text stories
dimensional-shuffling and unfinished sagas. Retroactively giving it structure is an ongoing project from Jenny. The big exception to this is that Animated story they did.

Edited by Zodberg, 01 February 2020 - 07:02 PM.

Woooo!

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 07:40 PM

One thing I do credit Botcon with doing (I only went to the 2001 one) was showing me how much of a market actually existed for used Transformers that later lead to the loss of the majority of my G1 and BW stuff, but did lead me to getting out of college with no outstanding debt.  Keep in mind that was during the day when "G1" was a holy grail and everyone wanted to repaint Beast Wars toys into original characters.  Nowadays with all the reissues and character revisions and such there's no way I'd pull that off again but I still have occasionally had some success like zero-summing two TFSS subscriptions and the Seacons.  Had I not seen a dealer's room full of loose toys, I'd never had been inspired to try it on the scale I did.





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