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@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:41 AM)

Like, in general, not going into specific bands or covers. Because I could point out plenty of repainted toys I didn't like as much as the original, too.

@  TheMightyMol... : (17 May 2021 - 06:39 AM)

Is a musician covering a song "fixing" it?

@  Nevermore : (17 May 2021 - 05:15 AM)

So, then, isn't redecoing or retooling an existing toy also "fixing" someone else's art?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 10:07 PM)

A toy is not on the same level as a piece of drawn art, true, but it is 100% an entertainment product.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 05:05 PM)

A toy is an object of utility, Comparing that to a piece of drawn art is grossly ignoring the difference between the two. Also, you didn't answer my questions. Try again.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:25 PM)

Part of the difference is that those covers are primarily one person's art. Sure, you probably have an inker and a colorist, but the lines and composition are one person. A toy however is a team design at pretty much all levels.

@  Cyoti : (16 May 2021 - 03:52 PM)

toymaking is a collaborative process, you have to make compromises and factories are going to get things wrong

@  tigerhawk : (16 May 2021 - 03:43 PM)

Earthrise had a few holes, Runamuck's legs YIKES!

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 03:37 PM)

I doubt that say, the designer for Kingdom Cheetor was happy about every bit of unpainted plastic on it.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:28 PM)

J Scott Campbell recently had his Spiderman cover "fixed" by someone online. A few weeks ago, someone on twitter "fixed" someone's Sonic the Hedgehog fan art where Sonic, Tails and Knuckles were drawn as humans. Both times and other times, the "fixer" gets called out and criticised as you shouldn't go around "fixing" someone else's art because its rude and disrespectful to the original artist. And I was thinking isn't "fixed your s*** for ya" exactly what toy customisers do?

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

Have you ever changed your car in any way whatsoever compared to the factory configuration, or are you leaving the designer's art unchanged in that case as well?

@  CORVUS : (16 May 2021 - 02:28 PM)

It's best not to ponder it too hard.

@  Nevermore : (16 May 2021 - 04:16 AM)

Bass X0, I really wonder sometimes how you come up with these random tangents apropos of nothing.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 04:11 AM)

It's collaborative art.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 May 2021 - 04:07 AM)

Toys are subject to budget constraints, so its not like customizing would ruin the designer's vision or whatever.

@  Bass X0 : (16 May 2021 - 03:38 AM)

Isn't customising a toy just "fixing other people's art"?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (16 May 2021 - 02:58 AM)

Oops, All Berries

@  Sabrblade : (16 May 2021 - 12:47 AM)

Nope, Chuck Berry

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 10:42 PM)

Nope, Chuck Testa.

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 10:41 PM)

English needs to revive Chuck Finley in everyday text

@  Xero Prime : (15 May 2021 - 09:09 PM)

English needs to revive Mindy in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (15 May 2021 - 08:07 PM)

English needs to revive book in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 04:00 PM)

English needs to revive Mook in everyday text

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 May 2021 - 03:42 PM)

English needs to revive Mork in everyday text

@  CORVUS : (15 May 2021 - 02:21 PM)

English needs to revive Morn in everyday text

@  Nevermore : (15 May 2021 - 12:38 PM)

English needs to revive Gorn in everyday text

@  Sabrblade : (15 May 2021 - 09:46 AM)

English needs to revive Gore in everyday text

@  Bass X0 : (15 May 2021 - 09:45 AM)

English needs to revive Gort in everyday text

@  TheMightyMol... : (15 May 2021 - 06:52 AM)

English needs to revive bort in everyday text

@  Telly : (15 May 2021 - 01:12 AM)

English needs to revive bork in everyday text

@  NovaSaber : (15 May 2021 - 12:15 AM)

English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (14 May 2021 - 09:34 PM)

English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 May 2021 - 09:26 PM)

English needs to revive porn in everyday text.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 May 2021 - 09:10 PM)

English needs to revive Ģorn in everyday text.

@  Patch : (14 May 2021 - 05:53 PM)

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.


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#41 blueskyscribe

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 08:02 PM

 

 

Animal forms make sense in almost any pre-industrial setting. Anything before the 1830s or so, really. 

 

A squad of 6 Autobots arrives on Earth, and promptly take the form of horses.

 

Finally, the My Little Pony crossover I've been waiting for.

 

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I have those and they are no less terrifying in real life.



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Posted 28 January 2020 - 10:26 PM

PONIES. The spiritual successor to CATS.

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Posted 28 January 2020 - 11:23 PM

PONIES. The spiritual successor to CATS.

SOMEPONY SET UP US THE BOMB.

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 01:03 AM

I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a dozen times (in my head) and I’ll say it again (out loud): Beast Wars had its time and place in the late ‘90s. It was a time where we could appreciate what it brought to the table. Its charm was the result of its weird little microcosm of time and limited CGI technology. I don’t see how making it more “modern” with the latest and greatest technology and having Idris Elba voice Megatron and Robert Dinero voice Rattrap and Beautiful CucumberSalad voice Optimus Primal or some shit like that is going to make it better or even palatable now. Its charm was in its imperfections and spontaneous weirdness. That weirdness only had its appeal in the late ‘90s. There is nothing it can offer today or even 5 years from now.

Beast Wars had its time, and it was beautiful and great. Let it fade gracefully into nostalgia, preserved as is, and DIE with dignity rather than have all these awful, shoddy attempts to shoehorn BW characters into the current storylines like was done with the likes of Rattrap, Cheetor, Rhinox and Tarantulas. Just.... please. :( :( :(

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 03:25 AM

I'd like to see a Beast Wars set a few thousand years back. Set it in Rome and Egypt or something. Lots of exotic animals around there to imitate. Maybe even throw in some 'fuzors' so we'd have stuff like a sphinx and pegasus.

 

...just gimme a meerkat minibot plz.



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Posted 29 January 2020 - 03:25 AM

I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a dozen times (in my head) and I’ll say it again (out loud): Beast Wars had its time and place in the late ‘90s. It was a time where we could appreciate what it brought to the table. Its charm was the result of its weird little microcosm of time and limited CGI technology. I don’t see how making it more “modern” with the latest and greatest technology and having Idris Elba voice Megatron and Robert Dinero voice Rattrap and Beautiful CucumberSalad voice Optimus Primal or some shit like that is going to make it better or even palatable now. Its charm was in its imperfections and spontaneous weirdness. That weirdness only had its appeal in the late ‘90s. There is nothing it can offer today or even 5 years from now.

Beast Wars had its time, and it was beautiful and great. Let it fade gracefully into nostalgia, preserved as is, and DIE with dignity rather than have all these awful, shoddy attempts to shoehorn BW characters into the current storylines like was done with the likes of Rattrap, Cheetor, Rhinox and Tarantulas. Just.... please. :( :( :(

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 05:50 AM

Ive said it once, Ive said it a dozen times (in my head) and Ill say it again (out loud): G1 had its time and place in the early 80s. It was a time where we could appreciate what it brought to the table. Its charm was the result of its weird little microcosm of time and limited handdrawn animation. I dont see how making it more modern with the latest and greatest technology and having Idris Elba voice Megatron and Robert Dinero voice Ironhide and Beautiful CucumberSalad voice Optimus Prime or some shit like that is going to make it better or even palatable now. Its charm was in its imperfections and spontaneous weirdness. That weirdness only had its appeal in the early 80s. There is nothing it can offer today or even 5 years from now.

G1 had its time, and it was beautiful and great. Let it fade gracefully into nostalgia, preserved as is, and DIE with dignity rather than have all these awful, shoddy attempts to shoehorn G1 characters into the current storylines like was done with the likes of Bumblebee, Hot Rod, Jazz, and Soundwave. Just.... please. :( :( :(


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Posted 29 January 2020 - 08:52 AM

A live action Beast Wars would most likely only have a passing resemblence to the actual cartoon. Has there ever been a live action adaptation of a cartoon that was actually accurate?


What it would probably resemble is a mix of Lion King, the new Jumanji movies, Avatar, and maybe King Kong. A group of human space travelers get caught in some wormhole and land on some jungle planet. They spend half the movie uncovering mysterious ancient alien secrets that we never get explanations for, and fighting against giant dinosaurs and insects that are eventually revealed to be robots in disguise. Then the Maximals show up at a key moment and rescue the humans, then the humans team up with the Maximals to destroy all but two or three of the predacons.

And in terms of appearance, don't expect the Maximals or Predacons to look anything like the show either. In robot mode they will have an updated version of the bayverse aesthetic, and in robot mode they will be weird alien-monster versions of earth animals. Something that'll make for a distinct toyline.

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:17 AM

I am fine with this. I love the cartoon but I think the concept is strong enough to explore different versions. Animal robot people are a better idea than car robot people.

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:22 AM

At the very least, having a script in development means someone at Hasbro remembers Beast Wars exists and might be a viable direction to go. That is promising for anyone dealing with G1 fatigue.

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:21 PM

Ive said it once, Ive said it a dozen times (in my head) and Ill say it again (out loud): G1 had its time and place in the early 80s. It was a time where we could appreciate what it brought to the table. Its charm was the result of its weird little microcosm of time and limited handdrawn animation. I dont see how making it more modern with the latest and greatest technology and having Idris Elba voice Megatron and Robert Dinero voice Ironhide and Beautiful CucumberSalad voice Optimus Prime or some shit like that is going to make it better or even palatable now. Its charm was in its imperfections and spontaneous weirdness. That weirdness only had its appeal in the early 80s. There is nothing it can offer today or even 5 years from now.
G1 had its time, and it was beautiful and great. Let it fade gracefully into nostalgia, preserved as is, and DIE with dignity rather than have all these awful, shoddy attempts to shoehorn G1 characters into the current storylines like was done with the likes of Bumblebee, Hot Rod, Jazz, and Soundwave. Just.... please. :( :( :(


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Hardy-har-har. :rolleyes

Except, you know, the hundreds of comics and half a dozen G1 cartoon reboots and that have fleshed out, refreshed, rebooted, redefined, updated and made better G1 over many years in dozens of different ways that it’s barely recognizable as G1 anymore save for the designs and names. Within that process, it showed that it could be done. There’s a whole giant hugging history of the past 20+ years of it being done (it being G1 reduxed v350+). There’s a “track record”, if you will, showing G1 can be redone, and redone well. And so it went into the movies; a rich body of fiction that can be drawn from. And though Bay hugged it up initially, when Travis Knight took the reigns, it became amazing.

So where’s Beast Wars’s rich history of being redone well?

All is to say: G1 has a history of being redone well, which means if its ideas are drawn from to be redone (again), I’m pretty sure it will result in something great.

And Beast Wars?

The last major “redo” of Beast Wars was Beast Machines, which caused like 80% of the fandom to have the most epic collective temper tantrum ragequit of the decade, like it was the end of life and civilization as we know it, and for some to be as extreme as to buy BM toys just to shoot video of themselves smashing and burning them. I loved Beast Machines personally, and still do, but I was definitely in the scoffed-at minority.

And then Animated, IDW, Combiner Wars, and now Cyberverse, plucks random characters from the BW universe to be... there.... in the shows and comics, to do... stuff. None of which were in any way as compelling as anything they did in their original depictions in the Beast Wars cartoon.

So you have a history of G1 redone countless times into gold, and Beast Wars redone like 1.075 times into what was widely perceived as on the scale of garbage to meh.

So given all that, I’m suddenly just supposed to think, “Nah, it’ll all be great!” and forget all that history just because Hasbro said so? Please.

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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:38 PM

I've said this before and I'll say it again: What made Beast Wars so good in the first place would likely never be recaptured by Hollywood.
 
With our luck, we'd end up with Optimus Primal throwing his feces at the camera while Megatron (voiced by a misdirected Sylvester Stallone) roars all of his dialogue (because he's a dinosaur, geddit?), while Cheetor (voiced by Owen Wilson) is the personal ride/pet/aide/sidekick/etc. of the movie's lead role who, for some reason, is an obnoxious human character played by a white male actor with a macho physique and a 'Murica! attitude.

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 02:28 AM

Hardy-har-har. :rolleyes

Except, you know, the hundreds of comics and half a dozen G1 cartoon reboots and that have fleshed out, refreshed, rebooted, redefined, updated and made better G1 over many years in dozens of different ways that it’s barely recognizable as G1 anymore save for the designs and names. Within that process, it showed that it could be done. There’s a whole giant hugging history of the past 20+ years of it being done (it being G1 reduxed v350+). There’s a “track record”, if you will, showing G1 can be redone, and redone well. And so it went into the movies; a rich body of fiction that can be drawn from. And though Bay hugged it up initially, when Travis Knight took the reigns, it became amazing.

So where’s Beast Wars’s rich history of being redone well?

All is to say: G1 has a history of being redone well, which means if its ideas are drawn from to be redone (again), I’m pretty sure it will result in something great.

 

So... wait.  Based on the statements that I've bolded above, is something being "redone well" then contingent on there being a "rich body of fiction that can be drawn from", or is it contingent on the "redoing" being done by someone who won't hug it up?  Because those two statements don't necessarily arrive at the same conclusion.

 

If something with a "rich body of fiction" and has a history if being redone well can still be hugged up (like by Bay, as you say), then it's not really the "rich body of fiction" or history of redoing well that truly matters, is it?  And with that in mind, how can you conclude that rich ideas that had been redone well in the past will necessarily "result in something great", if Bayverse is garbage to you?

 

What I hear you saying is that: it takes someone competent in their craft and who takes care to actually understand and respect the source material - whatever and whenever that material was from - to make something great and amazing.  This certainly does not preclude Beast Wars from falling into this category.


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Posted 30 January 2020 - 03:06 AM

Wow. This thread got salty really quick.
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Posted 30 January 2020 - 05:51 AM

Beast Wars is just another rift on the two teams crash on Earth premise that G1 also used.

Its just as open to reinterpretation as anything else.

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 06:31 AM

I do think it's important to figure out which parts of Beast Wars were specific to that time, and which parts should carry forward. I don't agree with Megaplexia Prime that Beast Wars can't be revisited, but I do agree that past Beast Wars additions and reboots have generally been weak, and I think a lot of that comes down to being fannish stuff that holds the original in too much reverence. Aside from the current Stranger Things moment we're in, G1 reboots have generally recognized that is isn't the 80s anymore.

I think the elements of Beast Wars are the following, and you can take or leave them in varying amounts (I had thought about making this a poll but it wasn't worth it):

Realistic organic beasts
Recognizably mechanical robots
Cybertron's future
Earth's past
Time hijinks
Familiar Beast Wars characters
Continuity links to larger TF franchise
In continuity with Mainframe show
Mysterious alien artifacts
Mysticism
Falling rocks

For me these parts are vital:
Recognizably mechanical robots
Cybertron's future - Or at least a sense of the future; that things have gotten weirder and will get weirder still.
Mysticism - Like the above, I want a sense that in this future there are still things outside our heroes' understanding.
Falling rocks

These parts I can take or leave:
Realistic organic beasts
Earth's past
Time hijinks
Familiar Beast Wars characters
Continuity links to larger TF franchise
Mysterious alien artifacts

These parts I would avoid in a reboot:
In continuity with Mainframe show

Edited by Chip, 30 January 2020 - 06:35 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2020 - 06:47 AM

Wow. This thread got salty really quick.

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 09:57 AM

I would certainly hope a movie wouldn't ruin BW with things like scatological humor and characters having ridiculous cartoon voices because of their beast modes.



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Posted 30 January 2020 - 11:25 AM

I can't wait for them to rename half the cast because of modern brand synergy demands.

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Posted 30 January 2020 - 12:01 PM

When was 'Mysticism' a prominent part of Beast Wars, exactly

 

When was it a part of Beast Wars at all


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