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@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)


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@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)


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@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)


@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)


@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)


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Chernobyl (HBO/Sky miniseries)

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 05:54 PM

So I've watched Chernobyl. Five episode miniseries co-produced by HBO and Sky with an insanely high IMDB rating, chronicling the infamous nuclear disaster at the Vladimir Ilyich Lenin Nuclear Power Plant near Chernobyl in what was then the Soviet Union (now Ukraine, near the Belarusian border) in April of 1986.


Starring Jared Harris, Stellan Skarsgard, Emily Watson, Jessie Buckley and Paul Ritter, among others. Most of the main characters are based on real people who really lived through these events, with the big exception of Emily Watson's Ulana Khomyuk, who's a composite character of the various scientists who aided Valery Legasov (played by Jared Harris) in his attempts to contain the immediate effects of the disaster, and then later the more long-term clean-up operations and the investigations into what had caused the explosion in the first place.


This thread is intended as both a discussion of the show, its acting, direction etc., but also the real-life event and the creative liberties the show (created and written by Craign Mazin, screenwriter of Scary Movie 3&4 and Hangover 2&3, directed by Johan Renck aka "Stakka Bo") took in portraying the events.



Spoilers for those who haven't seen the show yet, but please keep in mind we're talking about a real event here, and I'm comparing the show to real history!





Overall, though, despite all these nitpicks, the show is still a very fascinating watch regardless. The explanation for the cause of the explosion as shown in episode 5 is pretty accurate to what we have come to understand about it.


Meanwhile, Michael Bay's theme park version as featured in Dark of the Moon wants us to believe that the reactor exploded because they simply tried to hook up untested alien technology to a nuclear power plant. Which completely undermines the lessons we should learn from Chernobyl.

I'm not even getting into the "nuclear power yes or no" argument here. Even if you're still pro nuclear power, there are a lot of things we can hopefully all agree on regardless of where you stand:

A) Don't use graphite as a moderator. Use water-moderated nuclear reactors. If the reactor gets too hot, the very water that powers the turbines vaporizes... and because that same water was used as a moderator, the reaction automatically stops.

B) Build a ****ing containment building around your reactors. Before you turn it on, not just after it already exploded. Trust me, it's cheaper that way in the long run.

C) Don't use the same material that acts as a moderator on the tips of the control rods, which are supposed to bring the reaction down

D) If you're aware of a critical design flaw of your nuclear reactors, let the people who operate those reactors know. Don't make it a state secret.

E) Don't ever, EVER combine the following: 1) Remove almost all the control rods completely, 2) turn off the steam turbines.

F) If the rules say to shut the reactor down completely in case of a potential xenon poisoning, FOLLOW THE ****ING RULES.

G) Perform your important sefety tests before you put your nuclear reactor into operation, not afterwards.


I) The most important lession of them all: The truth doesn't care about politics, ideologies, beliefs or agendas. You can lie as much as you want, the truth won't care. It will come to bite you in the ass eventually. Sometimes, the result is the explosion of a nuclear reactor. (Other times, it's climate change.)

Edited by Nevermore, 08 January 2020 - 06:36 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 06:28 PM

I watched this when it first came on and a couple of weeks ago HBO had a marathon of it and I watched some of it again.

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 06:48 PM

By the way, tourism in and around of Chernobyl has apparently thrived ridiculously as a result of this series. And yes, it's seriously possibe to visit the town of Chernobyl, the ghost city of Pripyat and even parts of the now decomissioned power plant as a tourist, but only as part of professional guided tours. There are illegal intruders in Pripyat, both looters (which are a serious problem, stealing all sorts of contaminated items to sell them on the black market, which is extremely dangerous) and your run-of-the-mill insane morons who completely disregard the dangers of radioactive contamination in their search of an "extreme experience".


Even so, the legal tourists also don't always act appropriately: Far too many who have watched the show seem to be under the impression they're visiting a real life "theme park" and perform all sorts of stupid actions, such as provocative photoshoots with way too few clothes on (because unique backdrop, y'know), taking selfies (especially in dangerous places) or reenacting fictionalized scenes from the show (especially Dyatlov's over-the-top denialism), thereby completely disregarding the fact that this is a place where a real disaster happened, real people died, and real people are still suffering the after-effects!


Still, if you want to go, apparently prices are surprisingly low (maybe not that surprisingly), though they might have gone up recently as a result of the sudden surge in popularity.

Edited by Nevermore, 08 January 2020 - 06:49 PM.

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Posted 08 January 2020 - 10:46 PM

Thrilling, engrossing show; I've watched it all the way through 4 times and it never gets dull.

As far as artistic license goes - many historians pointed out that as of 1986 the days of the purges were long over, and no one would be threatened with being shot in broad daylight just for getting in an argument.

"Voices from Chernobyl" was a superb read, with harrowing details of both the Soviet reactors' useless gigantism and the torment of the victims.

Ironic that HBO knew they risked a mass audience exodus with the end of "Game of Thrones" so they quickly rolled out as much prestige viewing as possible all in a row, just to keep people's attention... and then the end of GOT was so awful that it invalidated and ruined the entire series, while the desperate, short-lived replacement stories turned out to be much better received. "Chernobyl" and "Watchmen" were among the high points of modern television. "Years And Years" wasn't great, but was too disturbing to abandon early. "Our Boys" had extraordinary detail in a cultural slice-of-life setting. And I'm looking forward to their luxury spaceship disaster show too.

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 03:23 AM

Binged it with a friend last year. Good stuff.



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Posted 09 January 2020 - 01:48 PM

Watched last year with the wife, and we loved the show.


Its crazy to think how bad that situation could have gone.

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 04:29 PM

I know anything from Russian state media is to be taken with a huge grain of salt, but the real-life general Tarakanov overall praised the actor who played him on the show, despite his criticism of various inaccuracies in the portrayal of events. He seems to steer completely clear of politics and just says "this is incorrect" without accusing anyone of any specific agenda, just stating the facts.


Edited by Nevermore, 09 January 2020 - 04:30 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2020 - 05:33 PM

Russia is apparently planning its own version where the reactor was sabotaged by the CIA. 



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Posted 09 January 2020 - 07:31 PM

Yeah, that story has been making the round for months. I read comments where people call that very story into question and claim the Russian version has actually been in production for X years already, so to call it a "response" to the HBO series is supposedly inaccurate.


Haven't seen anything solid yet on that one other than variations of the same story from the same source.

Edited by Nevermore, 09 January 2020 - 07:53 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 05:38 PM

I just noticed that Craig Mazin has actually shared his sources, such as books, films and documentaries. He explicitly named "Zero Hour" and "Surviving Disaster", and even praised the Russian actor playing Dyatlov in the former.
There are definitely a lot of cues he took from those documentaries, both in terms of dialogue lines and visuals, such as the firefighter who's carrying a fellow firefighter who has already succumbed to radiation poisining on a stretcher, then collapses to the ground himself.

Trivia: Michael Colgan, the actor who played Leonid Toptunov in the "Surviving Disaster" dramatization, went on to play... Mikhail Shchadov, minister of coal, in episode 3 of the HBO Chernobyl miniseries.
Edit: Oh my god, I just watched the National Geographic documentary "Seconds From Disaster: Meltdown at Chernobyl", and it's baaaad. Really bad. Imagine IDW's half-arsed "Continuum" summary of their then-current continuity so far. It's that bad. The purpose pf the safety test is explained inadequately, no mention is made of the xenon poisoning caused by the ten hour delay (instead, power levels just drop rapidly due to mysterious forces), no mention of the fatal AZ-5 emergency shutdown system design flaw, no mention of Akimov or Dyatlov (the only operators who existed according to this documentary were Stolyarchuk and Toptunov, who were under orders from unnamed "supervisors", and then later three "managers" are vaguely alluded to receiving a sentence), and the miners allegedly managed to build the tunnel (allegedly in order to install a concrete slab, which was actually just the replacement for the liquid nitrogen heat exchanger that ended up being unnecessary because the core had already cooled down by itself, none of which is mentioned in this documentary) within a mere FIFTEEN DAYS rather than six weeks.

Imagine a documentary about the Titanic disaster that somehow leaves out the iceberg, the captain of the ship and the bulkhead design flaw. That's how inept this is.

I've done a little bit of research, and yes, the HBO miniseries is a crapton more accurate to reality than a National Geographic documentary that came out in 2004, the same year as the first of the two aforementioned documentaries co-produced by the BBC.

Oh my god, I only just realized that even the title is inaccurate! It wasn't just a "meltdown", it was an explosion!

Edited by Nevermore, 12 January 2020 - 08:24 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2020 - 08:48 PM

Here is a bit of a joke I made about the series. Sam Troughton the grandson of Patrick Troughton plays Akimov. The reason why they didn't show Akimov's face in the hospital interviews was because he now had Sean Pertwee's face.

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