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@  TheMightyMol... : (14 August 2020 - 02:47 AM)

Fake news, no shinobi.

@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

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Would you guys still enjoy transformers if it was pilot mech show

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#1 Roddie Luver

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:12 PM

Like Gundam
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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:17 PM

Nah, non-living robots are boring.


Although I'll admit I actually do like Masterforce the best of the three Japanese series, but I'd hardly want that to be the norm. Plus that still had regular living Transformers in it.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:26 PM

I'm not a fiction guy really but, the fact that these robots have souls and personalities goes a long way in making the brand feel unique.


even if that just involves me getting a bot in the post and then looking up what disorder they have on the wiki, it's a lovely thing.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:28 PM

No. They need to be alive. Without that, the fantasy isn't there for me.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:31 PM

Yeah, I prefer the Transformers be characters themselves, not vehicles for other characters to pilot.


Now, I am happy to take Transforming Mecha in addition to Transformers.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:41 PM

Indeed. Straight up piloted mecha, kinda defeats the purpose of Transformers. But yeah, piloted mecha IN a TF show as well as the Transformers, thst has potential.


piloted mecha by themselves would just be Diaclone.



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Posted 31 December 2019 - 06:45 PM

If the show is written well I could enjoy it but if its not robots piloting transtectors, it wouldnt be Transformers.


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Posted 31 December 2019 - 07:12 PM

Only if they defeat their enemies not with bullets, but with Love and Music.

Seriously, though, I am on the piloted mechs alongside living Transformers bandwagon. Or Cyborgs from the planet Gobotron.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 08:01 PM

I started with Beast Wars. What drew me into that show was its characters' personalities and that they were robots that could also turn into animals.


I cannot see how Beast Wars would have even worked if the robots were instead piloted mechs, especially since the robots in that show were all roughly human-sized instead of giant-sized. They'd have either had to have been androids piloted by intelligent hamsters, or be contortionists in organic-looking Iron Man suits.

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 08:07 PM

as much as I love Robotech... Jetfire means more to me than the VF-1s  

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 09:04 PM

"Would you guys still enjoy Transformers if it lost one of it's defining features?"

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 09:18 PM

*reads through responses*


So, the Brave franchise? Especially Dagwon, since it is the only one with the equivalent of transtectors.  (Gai's deal is closer to US binary bonding since Galeon DOES have a mind of his own.)

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Posted 31 December 2019 - 09:53 PM

The original would have gotten lost in the shuffle among the imported mecha anime (even with the percentage being imported as low as it was in the 80s; we still had Voltron and Robotech as major successes, and a lot of less widely aired ones that probably would have gotten more exposure if one of the existing mega-successes had been less so).


Beast Wars might have been a spinoff of GoBots instead of Transformers in this universe.

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 01:19 AM

I don't think I would. Just have zero interest in piloted Mecha (not counting Power Rangers, oddly, and Voltron -- although my interest in the latter never came close to keeping pace with that for TF). I've even lost interest in interesting-seeming, decently written fan fiction once it started incorporating Macross or Gundam or whatever-inspired piloted-mecha as a subsequent plot development.

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 02:14 AM

only if the piloted mech were not-so-secretly the pilots' moms

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 07:34 AM

No. There were plenty of piloted mecha lines back in the day, the concept never captured my imagination the way Transformers did.

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 09:05 AM

Hard to say, honestly, because it would depend on the story and when I was growing up, Robotech never got across the pond at least that I am aware of while Gobots did along with many other shows from the 80s, yet some were better than others, I recall the first ep of TF I ever saw and that was Fire in the Sky, after that, I wanted more but the problem was, I had no clue of sheduling and it was on a channel that tended to have breakfast news before school.


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Posted 01 January 2020 - 12:01 PM

That's a negatory.

I mean, "enjoy", sure, I liked Robotech as a kid. But part of what made me the kind of fan who isn't spending the first day of 2020 on a Robotech forum is that robots have always captured my imagination more than humans. Most of my other toyline collections started with their robot characters (B.A.T. for G.I. Joe, Roboto for He-Man. I desperately wanted Man-E-Faces just because he had a robot face, but he remained ever my MotU holy grail).

I remember the disappointment I felt when I was first exploring anime and realized virtually all the cool giant robot designs were just vehicles for humans to drive around. I still don't understand why the TF/Gobots-style approach isn't more popular there - you'd think at the very least they'd get bored of non-sentient mecha when they're swimming in a sea of them - but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 01:09 PM

I remember the disappointment I felt when I was first exploring anime and realized virtually all the cool giant robot designs were just vehicles for humans to drive around. I still don't understand why the TF/Gobots-style approach isn't more popular there - you'd think at the very least they'd get bored of non-sentient mecha when they're swimming in a sea of them - but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I get the impression that the standard for robots as characters with dialogue tends to be on the smaller scale, e.g. Medabots, but I'm not sure if that's really the case.

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 02:39 PM

I swear I've read somewhere that, at least in terms of modern stuff, sentient mecha shows are aimed at a younger audience than piloted mecha ones. I mean even compared to piloted mecha shows already aimed at kids.


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