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@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 05:07 PM)

Cheers pal.

@  wonko the sane? : (20 September 2020 - 04:42 PM)

Welcome aboard!

@  Spiritofeigh... : (20 September 2020 - 04:38 PM)

Hey, new to the boards

@  RichardT1977 : (20 September 2020 - 02:29 PM)

I had an idea for a Spiral Zone/Go-Busters crossover fanfic...

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 06:35 PM)

I loved what was there, and think it's pretty ripe for "renegades" style reboot.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:13 PM)

It's a shame as I loved Spiral Zone, and the design from the Japanese Toyline of the same name are fantastic, I adore the monowheel motorbike.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 03:12 PM)

Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in doing anything with the TV show, haven't greenlit any attempt to rerelease it, and there have been approaches, so I think it may be aother one of Tonka's legal carcrashes where everyone involved owns a piece and it's not really worth anyone sticking their neck out to claim ownership.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I feel that homages and references would be a fun way to expand the GI Joe brand, and give a little love to lines that are unlikely to be acknowledged beyond such capacity.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 01:47 PM)

I was under the impression that Bandai was more the character design aspects, not story or characters.

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:55 PM)

Also isn't it in rights limbo, given how it's loosely based on concepts from a BanDai series much like GoBots?

@  Rycochet : (19 September 2020 - 12:52 PM)

We don't need a Spiral Zone reboot, in a decade or so we'll be living it.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 12:49 PM)

Yeah, but it would fundamentally change the base premise of both gijoe and spiral zone. It's either not the world spanning threat it was, or the zone riders are backed up by a competent force. Either way, you compromise the context of both.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:19 PM)

Akin to what was done with Matt Tracker in 2008.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

Again, not a PURE transplant, but an integration of ideas and concepts into the world of GI Joe.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 12:18 PM)

@Wonko The Cobra Overlord, with help from Dr. Mindbender and Cesspool, develops machines capable of generating a mind-controlling fog. GI Joe stalwarts Flint, Airtight, Lifeline, and Psyche-Out are joined by Colonal Courage to infiltrate these zones and disable the machines. Figures would sport hostile environment suits (Eco warriors cross with Spiral Zone) and make new versions of the mono-wheel vehicles.

@  Maximus Ambus : (19 September 2020 - 09:39 AM)

Hasbroverse.2 with bought properties: Bravestarr, Ulysses 31, Galaxy Rangers, Shadow Raiders, Manta Force, Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors, Mighty Orbots, Jem and Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines. Seamless.

@  wonko the sane? : (19 September 2020 - 08:32 AM)

While acknoledging spiral zone would be pretty boss, I doubt they could actively integrate it into anything else: given the scale of the villains deeds.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:03 AM)

COPS, Spiral Zone, Shadow Strikers, Action Man, Centurions, MegaForce. They wouldn’t replicate the old lines, but simply acknowledging their existence would be nifty.

@  Steevy Maximus : (19 September 2020 - 08:01 AM)

I would love to see GI Joe become something of a “celebration of action figures”. Hasbro has SO MANY old action figure properties, and many could slot into the GI Joe umbrella with relative ease.

@  Otaku : (19 September 2020 - 12:04 AM)

G.I. Joe, CyberCOPS, and M.A.S.K. all seem like something that would work from Animated or Prime, though CyberCOPS might have been a bit trickier from Prime.

@  Sabrblade : (18 September 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Rik Alvarez originally wanted the last episode of Prime to spinoff into a new MASK reboot.

@  Otaku : (18 September 2020 - 08:19 PM)

The failed Hasbroverse reminds me how so many things could have been spun off from Transformers: Animated and (after that) Transformers: Prime.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 12:43 PM)

Requiem of the Wreckers was post-Revolution, but it was also, you know, a single issue.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:06 AM)

But Roche didn't have a series to keep out from the crossovers since Sins of the Wreckers was before Revolution.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 11:01 AM)

Oh wait, that post said Roche, not Barber.

@  Rycochet : (18 September 2020 - 10:46 AM)

And then seemed surprised nobody particlarly wanted it.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (18 September 2020 - 10:25 AM)

Wasn't Barber among the editorial guys that pushed for Hasbroverse?

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 10:19 AM)

He did it possibly due to 616 Spider-Mans marriage reset between Civil War and Secret Invasion.

@  ▲ndrusi : (18 September 2020 - 09:20 AM)

Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man because it was mostly set far away from Earth?

@  -LittleAutob... : (18 September 2020 - 08:49 AM)

I'm learning so much-

@  Maruten : (18 September 2020 - 04:21 AM)

At its worst it was better than MASK, sure.

@  Maximus Ambus : (18 September 2020 - 02:15 AM)

At it's worst it still stomped all over the failed Hasbroverse. Roberts and Roche kept their respective series well out of that one for the same reasons Bendis kept a tight leash on Ultimate Spider-Man when Loeb and Miller wanted greater control for Ultimatum.

@  Maruten : (17 September 2020 - 06:37 PM)

That's so accurate it's physically painful.

@  Rycochet : (17 September 2020 - 02:05 PM)

The Red Dwarf of Transformers? An interesting, innovative and genuinely funny series that descended into a self referential mess of cliches that continues long after it should have been put out to pasture and rendered nerly everyone thoroughly unlikeable? That seems about right.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 01:59 PM)

MTMTE and Lost Light are the Red Dwarf of Transformers stories, as opposed to the others which are more like Star Wars and Star Trek.

@  Kalidor : (17 September 2020 - 01:37 PM)

Anyone in CONUS want a Skylynx for $100 shipped?

@  Maximus Ambus : (17 September 2020 - 01:34 PM)

Maybe an acquired taste in that's in that it's from a fan raised on the UK run where Transformers wasn't taken so seriously in many stories, especially some Earthforce standalones.

@  Paladin : (17 September 2020 - 09:47 AM)

so, terrible?

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 09:26 AM)

Yeah I think at that point Lost Light is just the '86 movie without the soundtrack.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (17 September 2020 - 02:28 AM)

So, exctly what Triangleman just said.

@  Bass X0 : (17 September 2020 - 12:36 AM)

A few of the same characters.

@  ▲ndrusi : (17 September 2020 - 12:07 AM)

Now having actually read Galaxies #10, I don't actually see what it has in common with Lost Light at all besides featuring Ultra Magnus, Chromedome, and a spaceship.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 05:33 PM)

So, it's exactly like Lost Light, then.

@  Bass X0 : (16 September 2020 - 01:52 PM)

What if Lost Light was stripped bare of its charm and humor? Galaxies #10 is the answer.

@  ▲ndrusi : (16 September 2020 - 01:49 PM)

I didn't mean "*exactly* 15 years ago and no other time."

@  NotVeryKnightly : (16 September 2020 - 12:27 AM)

I mean, the comment was about a linewide gimmick of 15 years ago, not a gimmick only present in a minority of toys from that year.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:14 AM)

I'd like a western take on the UT for it's twentieth, like a annual CG or anime movie on Netflix that is a condensed retelling similar to the film Macross/Robotech: Do You Remember Love.

@  Maximus Ambus : (16 September 2020 - 12:11 AM)

Giant Planet had them, Energon had a few. I've been disappointed in Siege for not having something for the Micromasters, Earthrise has with the base bots but they've been wasted here.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (15 September 2020 - 10:47 PM)

Wasn't 15 years ago Cyber Keys rather than Minicons?

@  Steevy Maximus : (15 September 2020 - 09:38 PM)

By and large, even the worst Minicons have some unique engineering or design elements. The nostalgia factor aside, Micromasters got pretty samey after you got several, especially the "proper" 89 series.


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#1 tffan01

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 03:36 PM

We know based on commentary by John Barber in the Sector 7 comic that movie novels and movie comics share the same continuity. But what about stories like Unite for the Universe, Cyber Missions and even kids books and the Hydrobot story? These don't seem to condradict the novels and comics that much besides Megatron missing the ROTF wounds and some characters like Brakedown dying twice but;

Megatron error is even in IDW comics such as Rising Storm. It could be chalked up simply as an artistic/animation error.

We know that it is possible for TFs to occasionally survive bad injuries. For example Frenzy and possibly Long Haul (If Igor is the same being) survived decapitation. If not for Jetfire, perhaps Mixmaster would have survived bisection.

How do you see these other stories in relation to the IDW movie timeline?

Edited by tffan01, 16 December 2019 - 03:40 PM.


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Posted 16 December 2019 - 07:35 PM

even without factoring in the IDW stuff, the movies are themselves self-contradicting by this point, so just dump them all in the blender and hit "puree" I guess.

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Posted 16 December 2019 - 07:43 PM

Basically, what we know for sure we can have for the IDW Movie comic timeline:

 

The first three films

 

Ghosts of Yesterday

 

Movie Prequel

 

Proooobably the stories from the first three issues of Saga of the AllSpark

 

Reign of Starscream

 

The Veiled Threat

 

Alliance

 

Defiance

 

Tales of the Fallen

 

Nefarious

 

Sector 7

 

Foundation

 

Rising Storm

 

The six Target-pack in comics

 

and Convergence

 

 

Placed in a rough timeline, that would be: Tales of the Fallen issue 4, TOTF issue 3, the flashback bits of Foundation, Defiance, the modern stuff of Foundation, Movie Prequel/the flashback bits of Reign of Starscream, Saga of the AllSpark stuff, Sector 7, Convergence, Movie 1 (with the Target Jazz toy's comic happening about halfway through), Reign of Starscream, TOTF issue 6, TOTF issue 2, Alliance, Veiled Threat/TOTF issue 1, Revenge of the Fallen, TOTF issue 5, Nefarious, the rest of the Target issues, Rising Storm, and DOTM.



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Posted 16 December 2019 - 07:50 PM

Unite for the Universe, Cyber Missions, and the Classified novels can fit into the IDW Movie Trilogy timeline as well.


Edited by Sabrblade, 16 December 2019 - 07:50 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 01:06 PM

Also, what about tie-in games, comics and novels?

For example, what happens before the story of ROTF the game? 2007 game, 2007 movie or just something similiar to the plot of the 2007 movie but not the same?

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 01:14 PM

Also, what about tie-in games, comics and novels?

For example, what happens before the story of ROTF the game? 2007 game, 2007 movie or just something similiar to the plot of the 2007 movie but not the same?

The comics and novels were already covered above.

 

None of the games fit since they all tell their own takes on the movies' plots in ways that contradict the films themselves.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 02:07 PM

Also, what about tie-in games, comics and novels?
For example, what happens before the story of ROTF the game? 2007 game, 2007 movie or just something similiar to the plot of the 2007 movie but not the same?

The comics and novels were already covered above.
 
None of the games fit since they all tell their own takes on the movies' plots in ways that contradict the films themselves.

What I mean is do the movies happen in the game timelines? Is the ROTF game or the novel a sequel of their own to the 2007 movie for example?

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 03:21 PM

The 2007 wii game is a retelling of the first film.

The Human Alliance game takes place between ROTF and DOTM

The movie side of Rise Of The Dark Spark is kind-of a prequel to Age of Extinction in a very self-contained way.

where do they mix with the comics? nobody knows but Jesus

Edited by Zodberg, 28 December 2019 - 03:25 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2019 - 08:25 PM

 

 

Also, what about tie-in games, comics and novels?
For example, what happens before the story of ROTF the game? 2007 game, 2007 movie or just something similiar to the plot of the 2007 movie but not the same?

The comics and novels were already covered above.
 
None of the games fit since they all tell their own takes on the movies' plots in ways that contradict the films themselves.

What I mean is do the movies happen in the game timelines?

 

You have your answer. To be specific and technical, the movies themselves do not happen because the games are similar but slightly different from the movies.
 



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Posted 29 December 2019 - 12:08 AM

The way I see it with the comic and novel adaptations of each movie, while the movies themselves supersede all of their adaptations, any information provided in said adaptations that is not found in their respective movies but which does not contradict and can still fit into said movies can be considered canon to their respective movies, while any information provided in said adaptations that is not found in their respective movies and DOES conflict with what is depicted in each movie is NOT canon to the films at all.

 

An example of the former case would be how, in the ROTF comic adaptation, The Fallen's big machine seen during the battle in Egypt is named the "Star Harvester". This name is not given in the movie itself, but can still apply to the machine as it appeared in the movie.

 

Meanwhile, an example of the latter case would be how, in both the ROTF comic and novel adaptations, Sam calls Lennox's wife who has Epps's wife call Epps on an insecure line to indirectly tell Epps (while Galloway is in the room) to get Optimus over to Egypt. This is in full conflict with how, in the actual movie, Sam simply has Simmons call Lennox to tell him the message directly. Thus, the version of events seen in the movie is what happened in this case.


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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.



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