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@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.


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#1 Confuzor

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 02:52 PM

I was kinda surprised to not see one of these, so I figured I'd make one.

Those amazing NECA 7" Movie turtles are finally in stock at Gamestop's website.

https://www.gamestop...ja&lang=default

I was able to buy Leo, Donnie and Raph yesterday in-store but had to Get Mikey online.

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 03:08 PM

Ya TMNT discussion has died off after the 2012 series ended and Rise of started. I check into what IDW does every once in a while but havent thought about it in awhile. I think they are nearing 100 issues in the main book soon. And I hear they did the unthinkable and made another female Turtle that isnt Venus or a mutated April.

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 03:37 PM

I was kinda surprised to not see one of these, so I figured I'd make one.

 

There were multiple threads for individual series (2012 Nick toon, Rise toon, IDW comics) over in the Forum of Solitude, but no all-encompassing thread.


Edited by Sabrblade, 02 November 2019 - 03:37 PM.

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 05:52 PM

I think they are nearing 100 issues in the main book soon. And I hear they did the unthinkable and made another female Turtle that isnt Venus or a mutated April.


Issue 99 is out now. 100 should be out late this month. As far as the female turtle...

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 06:06 PM

I've been reading the hardcover IDW books (I dont have vol 9 yet) amd absolutely love them. Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything mini was a hell of a chaotic roller coaster and an absolute blast from beginning to end!

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Posted 02 November 2019 - 06:48 PM

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 07:55 AM

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 08:13 AM

My TMNT fandom is in a weird place. Like alot of people I grew up with the 80s toons, dropped off as that vanished (the red sky seasons were hard to find here once the fad burst). Enjoy Next Mutation for its goofiness, not really a fan of the 4Kids version. Was kinda excited about the 2012 series but lost interest thanks to having some bad direct experiences with Nick (I think that bridge was burnt, sadly not even my fault but theirs). Didn't like the 'Bay' movies, enjoy what I've seen of Rise but don't seek it out.

 

It's an odd one for me. I'll sometimes dip my toe back in but it's not one of those franchises that I've been a fan for life with. Yet oddly, the 2012 Revoltech's have a proud place in my display.



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Posted 03 November 2019 - 08:26 AM

Was surprised at original TMNT toon having continuity.

Loved and collected the Archie TMNT cuz they're surprisingly mature at times. Too bad Forever War was never done.

Collected the Image TMNT. They supposedly finished the story in a one shot or something, with Lady Shredder.

The Fox Kids TMNT was great. Very close to the comics, quite uncanny.
They even got the superheroes in there. Thee Lost Season was pretty epic. I followed it through Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers. Great ending, even though they never got to do the Shredder War.

Nick TMNT was also great. Just had to get used to it (bad animation in the first ep ish). Also got majorly epic, even though it was more goofy than the FoxKids. Nice that the Mutanimals got an incarnation, even if they weren't same.

Rise of the TMNT, loved the kinetic frenetic animation. Should continue watching it.

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 09:33 AM

I started off with the Fred Wolf cartoon, but it's pretty hard to watch now.

The second cartoon series was good but I stopped watching about the time of Fast Forward. I just haven't really gotten into any of the cartoons since.

I started getting the random Mirage comic somewhere between the first two movies. It's still my favorite version of the Turtles.

Archie comics were good if not for the preachiness. I'm going back and getting the collections on ComiXology, but the preachiness still rubs me the wrong way.

IDW is great, but I kinda stopped when I got into comic book overload. I'm starting to get back into it with City at War.
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Posted 03 November 2019 - 09:52 AM

I tend to find I can go back to the 80s toon because it's self aware. It knows it's a goofy show that exists to push a toyline so the writing is full of self deprecating meta jokes. It's nowhere near as silly as some anniversary crossovers portray it but it's not taking itself seriously at all. It came along at the time where writers feeling burnout from that very commercial driven of US TV animation were being given a chance to be a bit more open with their work. Garfield and Friends is another great example. So much of the comedy in that was the head writer mocking network mandates from previous shows that insulted kid's intelligence.



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Posted 03 November 2019 - 10:17 AM

The Fox Kids TMNT was great. Very close to the comics, quite uncanny.
They even got the superheroes in there. Thee Lost Season was pretty epic. I followed it through Fast Forward and Back to the Sewers. Great ending, even though they never got to do the Shredder War.

Nick TMNT was also great. Just had to get used to it (bad animation in the first ep ish). Also got majorly epic, even though it was more goofy than the FoxKids. Nice that the Mutanimals got an incarnation, even if they weren't same.

 

4Kids, you mean. Fox Kids was dead by 2003.


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No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

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Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 02:46 PM

4Kids! Yes, I mean 4Kids! The F just made me think of Fox! It wasn't the Foxing Kids!

Yeah, the Archie comics had the environmental preaching but it's the other spiritual stuff that I liked. Dean Clarrain (spelling) was my writing hero then. I think it was Spengler (former Allspark poster) who blew my mind by writing about turtles and revealed that Dean C wasn't a real person but a pseudonym for ... Ryan Brown? Who helped make Cowboys of Moo Mesa?

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 04:41 PM

Actually, interesting news about Archie's Forever War. There's a attempt to crowdfund the miniseries from earlier this year.

 

http://tmntentity.bl...s-about-to.html

http://www.turtleman...=article&id=361

https://forums.thete...ead.php?t=61312

 

There's a 10-page preview of what might just be in 2020.  From the sounds of things it's going ahead.  Technically, it's only a fan project.  And it sounds like it will cost you $70 plus $15 shipping to get it.  But, it does have art from the original artist.  You have to e-mail the creator to get a preorder from the sounds of things.  Not ideal, but it might be something for big fans of the series.

 

And, yeah, the Archie TMNT book can be one of weird extremes.  It can be one of the weirdest (see: Cudley the Cowlick and becoming space luchadors (TMNTA #7), preachiest (see: That issue were Man-Ray won't shut up about Turtle Exclusion Devices (#17)), darkest (see: the death of the Mutanimals (#54)),  sweetest (see: Raphael and Ninjara's relationship (TMNTA Special #10)), disappointing (see: also Raphael and Ninjara's relationship (#70)), epic (the fight against Armaggon (#44)), and bizarre (see: the future-turtles killing Hitlers preserved brain while wearing toy-inspired armor (#66)) comic books you ever read.  It's definitely not for everyone, but...it's a trip.

 

I've dipped my toes into nearly everything TMNT related at one time or another.  I guess the only thing I really haven't gotten all the way into is the original comic...no real reason other than I've just never gotten around to it.  My personal favorite TV show is probably the 4Kids one (The Ninja Tribunal/Lost Episodes season is epic), but...objectively speaking the Nick CG one is probably better (at least when it's going full-on horror..."Buried Secrets" aka the one with April's mom is still one of the most shocking things I've seen in a kids cartoon).

 

The IDW comic is definitely worth getting into...but I'd recommend starting from the beginning.  Which...admittedly is daunting.

 

https://comicbookrea...-reading-order/

https://forums.thete...ead.php?t=36475

 

And Rise...it's definitely an interesting experiment.  I have to commend them for doing completely new things with the franchise.  New villains, new characterizations, a different kind of art style, it's unique.  And when the fights scenes get going, it can be frantic in the best possible way.  But, the regular "talking" animations can feel cheap at times.  And sometimes I feel like they're trying to make the turtles too "hip" for the shows own good and they can all feel like the wacky one at times.


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Posted 03 November 2019 - 09:04 PM

Oh! Mark Pelligrino, yeah, Spengler, I think. And Dean C is Steve Murphy, not Ryan Brown?

I didn't know about Forever War happening! Only early this year?!? Yow! $85 to support the actual epic ending, hmm...

Too much to comment on Archie TMNTA highlights (love the formation of the Mutanimals. Devastated when they were killed because their cartoon series didn't happen). The special #10 Ninjara Raphael was the date they had that kept getting messed up until they just had dinner in the sewer? Yeah, that was sweet. Loved the Future Turtles with Manx the Verminator X and Hitler's brain, haha. The space wrestlers was great for me because Donatello won the free for all, saying he got moves from books (which, I would figure in real live doesn't work. He could read them but he needed to practice said moves).

4Kids, yes, Ninja Tribunal! Very epic! Made me happy that the side ep was the Nano robot getting his final form, growing up and joining the superteam. (Not counting Fast Forward which showed a goofy thing where the team got turned into kids, including his adult robot form). It also has that single terrifying ep where Baxter Stockman's flesh keeps melting when his cloning fails. (I also liked that in Fast Forward, he finds happiness in the future, finally working with the good guys as his genius is appreciated).

But, yeah, Nick CGI did serious too. Well, serious wacky. But by golly they did Napoleon Dynamite as Napoleon Bonafrog, holy cow. Gave us Wingnut and Screwloose as Batman and Robin. Mondo Gecko and a new version of the Mutanimals (Monkey Brains being my fave but he started out as human though. I didn't like their Slash though, who was more of a Spike? And who the hell is Pigeon Pete?). Mona the alien lizard as a sorta connection to mutant Mona Lisa from the original cartoon one off ep was cool. The evolution of poor Chris Bradford from human to new character Dogpound to neo Rahzar was great (but they killed him! By drowning?!? At the hands of Leatherhead? How sad for him). Holy cow, Anton Zecks was awesome before he turned into Bebop. I didn't want him to change into the classic Bebop suit. The high tech one is fine.

Urgh, I'm rambling. Gotta sleep.

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Posted 03 November 2019 - 10:15 PM

Considering the only TMNT TV series I series I haven't followed have been "The Next Mutation", as I didn't have Fox at the time and wasn't really interested in catching up on it since, and now "Rise of" I've definately got some love for the franchise. Growing up on the original cartoon and movies, eagerly following the 4Kids series when I could, and enjoying the heck out of what the 2012 series did it's been cool to see how each series handles things. I think I still favor the 4kids series the most even though it jumped the shark with the Lost season and Flash Forward.

 

The Shredder mantle alone in the series was interesting with Ch'Rell, Karai, The Original Oruku Saki demon, and finally the Cyber Shredder. It was such a departure from just Uncle Phil Shredder blundering along throughout the most of the original cartoon. And having more than just April for the Turtles to rely upon consistently was cool with Casey being prominently featured and other allies like the Superhero team or the later Ninja council. And the Battle Nexus arc introducing Usagi was fun. Nick needs to find a way to print season sets of that one again.

 

And then the 2012 series. The look was something to get used to but it was fun and had a decent cringe factor to it that made it unique. Making Karai a point of contention between the Foot and the Turtles was interesting. And the star power behind it helped. I think it probably should have ended with the Super Shredder storyline but the last season was fun to go through for the most part. Still burnt that the Newtralizer/Lord Dregg episodes have never hit DVD


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Posted 03 November 2019 - 11:35 PM

Been a fan since the early days of the original cartoon. Not the comics, though -- I'd have been way too young at the time, though with all the "did you know TMNT was based on a comic book?" stuff that was all over the place around 1989, I immediately sought it out and picked up the third issue! How lucky to get on so early!

 

...of the Archie comic. The specifics, it turned out, really weren't there yet when "the comic book" was referenced.

 

I've stuck with it pretty much through everything all this time, save for Image. Never got into their version much. And while I dig what I've seen of the Mirage stuff, I've never really gotten caught up on the whole of it, and the way it's been kind of left open after the Nick purchase has left me less than motivated to try to catch up. Not that I'm against, but spending money to run right to a dead end... priorities, y'know?

 

Especially as I'm currently still catching up with IDW's run via ComiXology sales. I forget just where I'm at -- it's around where Bebop and Rocksteady Destroy Everything occurs, going by TMNT Entity's reading list.

 

I do have a deep fondness for the Archie comics, though, and wish Forever War would happen already. Why IDW isn't doing it is a complete mystery to me -- I'd rather pay their rates than $70 for this, much as I'd love to see things get properly wrapped.

 

I enjoyed the Fred Wolf toon, though as it became tough to get through as a kid, I imagine it would only be more so now (I love that it had a proper finale, though I dropped out after the first Red Sky season or two, when the animation budget seemingly got slashed and they introduced Carter and the Secondary Mutations. It was all just a bit too much at once).

 

Next Mutation, I was on board for the whole ride. It had some great ideas (in my opinion; I can elaborate, if desired), but the execution was often lacking. I especially love the idea of Dragon Lord as a villain -- he was one of the things I wanted to see revived in the 2012 series, but alas.

 

2K3 brought 4Kids, and I loved that series -- still a favorite. I did drop out a bit during Fast Forward, since they cut out when I was invested in the Ninja Tribunal arc, and the changes didn't keep a hold on me, but I came back for Back to the Sewer -- bit of an improvement -- and stayed through to the end.

 

2012's Nick Turtles, I loved pretty much the whole way through. They gave us an almost consummate version of TMNT that mixed things from past versions (even the RPG!), but as noted, left some stuff out, too.

 

And Rise?

 

After the 2012 series, I wanted something familiar, but different, and for me, Rise is really delivering. Had it been another rehash of the same versions of the characters we've had since the 80's, I might have fallen off -- we just got that, and they nailed it, just like the 4Kids version nailed it in a slightly different way. But instead, this is holding my attention full-stop, and I'm loving every minute of it.

 

(Oh, and I've seen all the movies. 1990 and Turtles Forever are the top, TMNT III is the bottom, though not unenjoyable.)

 

--LBD "Nytetrayn"


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Posted 05 November 2019 - 08:31 AM

I'd like to see what this Forever War is all about, but I don't really feel like spending $70 for it.
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Posted 05 November 2019 - 10:27 AM

From the covers seen, they brought back some one shot villains like the leech guy and the roach guy. So I hope they jumped into an alternate dimension where the Mutanimals are alive and when they couldn't save that timeline, the Mutanimals join them in theirs.

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Posted 11 November 2019 - 09:12 PM

I found the Neca Movie Turtles at Thinkgeek over the weekend. I couldn't afford them all though. Anyone want to guess who my two favorites are?

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