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@  Sabrblade : (13 August 2020 - 10:31 PM)

Turns out the President set the whole thing up as a publicity stunt. Very rude.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (13 August 2020 - 08:11 PM)

The ninjas will go away, it will be fine.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 08:02 PM)

listen; i'm sure there were very fine ninjas on both sides.

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 August 2020 - 07:50 PM)

My thoughts and prayers go out to the ninjas.

@  Cybersnark : (13 August 2020 - 06:36 PM)

Can we just let them have him?

@  Bass X0 : (13 August 2020 - 06:18 PM)

The president has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:08 PM)

At first, I obviously thought I was correct.  Then I thought perhaps the spelling had changed for some reason.  Copyright/trademark law is weird, ya know?  Now I just accept I goofed. XD

@  Otaku : (13 August 2020 - 03:07 PM)

See, that one directly applies to me.  Apparently, I'd been misreading and mispronouncing it wrong for over 30 years... and I still slip and do it the wrong way much of the time.

@  Paladin : (13 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

for the Internet age its the "Berenstain" Effect.

@  Bass X0 : (12 August 2020 - 01:49 PM)

Can you root for what The Rock is cooking!?

@  -LittleAutob... : (12 August 2020 - 10:35 AM)

sOmEoNe NoTiCeD-

@  wonko the sane? : (12 August 2020 - 07:37 AM)

I am the only one rooting for the rock these days?

@  Maximus Ambus : (12 August 2020 - 12:37 AM)

Sour grapes for the next decade until Apophis hits.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:26 PM)

Thank yoo for vatching hydroolic pthress chan-nel.

@  Hg Dragon : (11 August 2020 - 11:19 PM)

Hey, do you have any grapes?

@  Otaku : (11 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

I dunno... it sounds kind of quackers to me.

@  -LittleAutob... : (11 August 2020 - 05:17 PM)

That would be nice....

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 August 2020 - 04:36 PM)

I wish I could just sit by a pond and watch ducks for a while.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 August 2020 - 03:52 AM)

Others say Joe sat down at this pond next to these ducks but really there's just no place in this world for an old man and his ducks.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:48 PM)

Even worse when I can produce those verifiable facts at a later point, and then the other person simply claims the argument was the other way round (as in, I was actually arguing their position and vice versa).

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:47 PM)

I can argue with people about my versus their memory of events when verifiable facts are not readily available, though, and I get really annoyed when I'm capable of presenting a precise, step-by-step summary with multiple key points that can be used for future verification, and the other person just goes "nope, wrong" without going into detail.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:45 PM)

I forget things, and I misremember things. But when presented with verifiable facts, my reaction is more like "Huh, could have sworn it was like that", not "this reality is not my own".

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 06:43 PM)

I have an extremely good memory (which I have proven time and again), and even I can be mistaken.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 August 2020 - 06:40 PM)

Might be worth pointing out that it only became "Mandela Effect" and not just "I remembered this wrong" when a conspiracy theorist insisted it was proof of alternate timelines.

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

Incorrectly remembering Nelson Mandela's fate may be uniquely American... but is it really that strange to get South African political history wrong when you're no where near South Africa?

@  Otaku : (10 August 2020 - 06:29 PM)

I always assumed the Mandela Effect was a "human thing", not an American thing.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 August 2020 - 02:03 PM)

Then there are people who outright manufacture memories for whatever reason.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (10 August 2020 - 01:13 PM)

The human brain is so flaky that it is extremely unlikely that a given person does NOT have any false memories.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:05 PM)

Perhaps it's simple word association the movie Sinbad and then our minds apply the same memories to a man named Sinbad.

@  OverDrive73 : (10 August 2020 - 01:04 PM)

The Mandela Effect is the same as people remembering Sinbad in a movie where he played a genie... Of which he never did.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:36 AM)

People that believe Mandela Effect things would rather come up with any number of reasons as to why their version doesn't have any actual evidence(like alternate timelines collapsing into our own) than just admit they remembered something wrong

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Sort of. It's more that when presented with a verifiable fact, they double down because it's what they believe instead of changing their minds

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

"I could have sworn that ______."

@  ▲ndrusi : (10 August 2020 - 09:25 AM)

I'm not arguing with either of those two statements, but they're not really connected. Mandela Effect is, to oversimplify, people being widely mistaken about what they think *is* a verifiable fact. Nothing to do with opinions.

@  MidnightFox : (10 August 2020 - 08:52 AM)

Pretty sure the Mandela Effect in general is an American thing. Opinion > Verifiable Facts is sadly a pretty American thing

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:27 AM)

Ask these people how Apartheid ended according to their recollection, and I'm sure they'll draw a blank.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:25 AM)

You got two black anti-Apartheid activists who were imprisoned by the oppressive regime. One died, the other was Nelson Mandela. It's not a far stretch that Americans who don't know many details about the history of other countries would mix up the two.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:24 AM)

My own theory is that these people are simply mixing up Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, another South African anti-Apartheid activist, who did indeed die in police custody in 1977. There was an Oscar-nominated movie about his life starring Denzel Washington that came out in 1987, the same time frame these people claim remembering Mandela dying.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:17 AM)

I met a few people from South Africa, and they either never heard of the phenomenon at all, or only know of it from the internet. Apparently, it's completely unknown in South Africa, and it might even be entirely limited to the United States.

@  Nevermore : (10 August 2020 - 04:16 AM)

So does anyone remember the "Mandela Effect"? I'm talking specifically about the original case where many people vividly remember Nelson Mandela dying in prison in the 1980s.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 August 2020 - 03:16 AM)

Crisis of Corona.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 06:16 PM)

Which crisis crossover are we on now? I lost track.

@  Rycochet : (09 August 2020 - 05:18 PM)

Much of the past decade has been the part of the comic series where less than stellar authors have driven the series into the ground and the editors are getting ready to either do a big multi issue crossover, leading to a reboot.

@  Bass X0 : (09 August 2020 - 02:28 PM)

At this point I've just decided to consider 2020 "not canon."

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 August 2020 - 02:18 PM)

'member Pepperidge Farm?

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 August 2020 - 02:10 PM)

Before the 'member berries there was Pepperidge farm. Pepperidge farm remembers.

@  OverDrive73 : (09 August 2020 - 12:21 PM)

>>>Shameless Plug<<< FYI. posted the last part of Quest for Tires in Allspark Pictures

@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?


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#41 Sprocket

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:48 PM

Main difference between Spider-Man and Transformers is that Transformers had three reboots that really lent the franchise to be a legacy property, but now we're back to the same guys over and over.

 

It's like how there's a bunch of people who didn't care for the return of Hal Jordan or Barry Allen: they liked the new guys.

 

I feel like some of this frustration would be alleviated if Cyberverse's toyline got the same Deluxe/Voyager/Leader treatment with all the characters instead of just a selection of them, but ymmv


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:49 PM

*double-checks the EarthRise Optimus pictures*

 

...damn it, they've put his feet on backwards *again*?! The curse of Dreamwave strikes once more :rolleyes


Edited by Lightbright, 01 October 2019 - 12:51 PM.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:52 PM

I'd be more excited for Ironworks but that is a tiny, tiny base, and to make substantial enough bases without buying multiples of the same guy you'd need at least six to eight of these, but you know we'll only get three, like the Weaponizers.

 

Also I kinda wish we got Fasttrack to finish the basebot helpers off.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:52 PM

*double-checks the EarthRise Optimus pictures*

 

...damn it, they've put his feet on backwards *again*?! The curse of Dreamwave strikes once more :rolleyes

 

........nooooooooooooooooooo



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:52 PM

 

IGN has previewed a few of the figures from the Siege sequel, now apparently subtitled EarthRise.

 

I can think of nothing that says "War for Cybertron" less.

But ignoring that, this looks like a line I'll be very interested in. Especially if they've finally stopped using that awful weathering.

 


once again Hasbro proves they are incapable of moving past 1987.

 

 

Ironworks handily proves this wrong.

 

 

It's the Autobots & Decepticons. They're warring *for* Cybertron, just not every battle is *on* Cybertron.

 

Ironworks.... "exception proves the rule"? The bulk and focus of the line is pre-1987. Ironworks, patrols, etc are stepping out of that line, but it's not proving the sentiment of that view wrong.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:52 PM

anyway i am SUPER excited for Extremely Earth Vehicle-y Transformers: EarthRise to have Titan Class Giant Metal Scorpion



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:53 PM

Yeah, I'm really excited at the prospect a new Hoist and Trailbreaker.

 

The T30 versions, despite the MTMTE-ness of their designs, are really not that great. I almost prefer using Movie Hoist and CW Trailbreaker, but I'd really like something a little closer to their G1 designs at the large end of deluxe that this line might deliver.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:53 PM

While I'm underwhelmed by this, particularly by Optimus, it at least makes some sense.

 

Think about it, we may be getting Optimus every series now, but each time he's been something different than that iconic G1 form.

  • Siege Voyager - G1 robot, Cybertron vehicle, no trailer
  • Siege Leader - Galaxy Convoy robot and combiner
  • PotP Leader - Orion Pax that combines with trailer to form Optimus
  • TR Leader - Power Master Optimus that combines with his trailer
  • TR Voyager - G2 Laser Prime homage
  • CW Voyager - Combiner without a trailer

 

This is the first time a mass release Optimus looks to do the same things the original toy / cartoon character did.  G1 Optimus Prime with Command Deck / Battle Station trailer.

 

While as boring as that is, it's really something Hasbro and Takara will probably striving to do - to recreate that Optimus that first landed on Earth.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:54 PM

it's EXACTLY the point; both the writers and the designers are too afraid of moving out of the comfort zone.
 
Spidey can only ever be a single broke college kid & Optimus Prime can only ever be a Freightliner FL86- WITH trailer or else fans riot.


While Peter's economic situation definitely gets setbacks, I think he's been a working-age adult rather than a kid for while now. Like, just looking up jobs he's had, he became an editor in 2017.

But also
 

What's that, kids born AFTER the eighties??? You don't exist! This is OUR spot!!!


You were pretty specific that the practice of making character look the same was about age brackets, which I find to be the biggest sticking point. I doubt that every cartoon or video game Spider-Man who looks like the Ditko design was because Marvel made those to cater to people who read comics in the '60s. Or really, "Spider-Man" can be substituted with any IP older than Transformers that's done the same across a large number of iterations.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:54 PM

it was very kind of hasbro to prepaint optimus prime's eyes yellow for me 



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:57 PM

I'd be more excited for Ironworks but that is a tiny, tiny base, and to make substantial enough bases without buying multiples of the same guy you'd need at least six to eight of these, but you know we'll only get three, like the Weaponizers.

 

Also I kinda wish we got Fasttrack to finish the basebot helpers off.

 

Fasttrack is definitely missed... hopefully he does appear... whatever year they make a Titan Scorponok... "EarthRise" doesn't seem the right year for that, but then what for this year's titan? Countdown-base-colored Guardian robot re-use of Omega?

 

Fingers crossed Airwave, Hothouse, and Greasepit show up as 1-per wave. And perhaps Groundshaker & Skyhopper could be voyagers?(by other names?) Or even a leader for Grondshaker, would that be the leader class "armored car"?



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:59 PM

Grapple looks good, but the problem with just doing their G1 earth designs is that I prefer the G1 toy I already have. Grapple isn't even fragile like some of them. A Siege Grapple might have had a different style.

That said, big truck man good. Hoping for a Bulkhead.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:59 PM

Soundwave's case of Yellow Eye is contagious! Get them to quarantine before it spreads!

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:04 PM

I'm wondering what a base made out of multiple base guys would look like. Not just individual bases connected by ramps, all the pieces mixed and spread out between them. I liked being able to use the weaponizers in different configurations and I think these guys will seem pretty boring if all they can do is form the one specific base mode.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:06 PM

Soundwave's case of Yellow Eye is contagious! Get them to quarantine before it spreads!


I think it's a step up in Prime's case since he usually has blue eyes framed by a blue helmet, while Soundwave's visor actually sticks out in red.

I'm not sure if this is implying that Optimus should also have red eyes.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:09 PM

Eh.

There are LOADS of non-G1 TF toys out and coming out if you look outside the main Generations line. Botbots. Rescue Bots. Cyberverse. Studio Series. Lots of stuff.

Yes G1 is a bit too 1984 to 1986 at times,

BUT:

1) We've gotten a good stretch outside that recently: We've gotten pretty near ALL 1987 updated. We've gotten a large portion, probably a majority, of 1988 updated. We've gotten way more 1989-1990 than I would ever have expected. Micromasters! Ironworks!

2) Even inside the lines they've gone super obscure and done all three Powerdashers and Reflector, Scrounge, Barricade, Rung, Brunt, Sixgun, Cog, Impactor, all the Female Autobots, Alpha Trion, Sentinel Prime. We've actually in the last 5 years or so gone WAY outside the "usual suspects" box a lot.

3) If they didn't keep making honest to god improvements it'd be super easy to skip things. I LOVE the old Generations Grappel. He's so Diaclone feeling to me... but damn if that isn't an equally great G1 Cartoon inspired version. The IDW Springer is one of the best TF toys ever, but the WFC one is perfect and entirely different in the Sunbow style. This Earthrise Prime looks Better than the one on my shelf and Better than the WFC ones I've skipped. I can't fault them as much if they are constantly topping themselves...

-ZacWilliam, that's not to say I wouldn't like more new characters (Gimmie) and more Beast Wars revisitations if they can improve them (A tough thing in a lot of cases) but I also think some folks are overstating or ignoring facets of what we have now, which is often pretty great. IMHO of course, ymmv and that's fine.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:15 PM

anyway i am SUPER excited for Extremely Earth Vehicle-y Transformers: EarthRise to have Titan Class Giant Metal Scorpion

 

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:18 PM

 

 

Studio Series is incalculably more enjoyable to me than Siege because that line does very interesting things with its designs and transformations.


Studio Series is the same approach of "make this look like it used to". Actually even more so than possibly any line besides Masterpiece.
 

 

Yeah, uh, like, Studio Series is even more Doing Old Designs Again than Stege, because Stege sometimes pretends (badly) it makes a nonEarthCar or whatever.  Studio Series is what Stege is being accused of, but just from a more recent source material.  

 

 

look, studio series gave us ze little one, that makes it a league better than stege


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:28 PM

I mean, okay, if we're moving the goalposts from "what has new designs" to "it has a character in it that I like," then, sure, EarthRise wins because Big Daddy???  



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:33 PM

I like the idea of a little drop-base for exploration (the theme I'm giving my Omega/Jetfire future setup). It also fits well with the drill and hovership weaponizers I have to those two. It'll work great with the toyhax rocketbase conversion set.



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