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English needs to revive bork in everyday text

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English needs to revive dork in everyday text.

@  Sabrblade : (14 May 2021 - 09:34 PM)

English needs to revive pork in everyday text.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 May 2021 - 09:26 PM)

English needs to revive porn in everyday text.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 May 2021 - 09:10 PM)

English needs to revive ţorn in everyday text.

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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:58 AM)

Generations Nightbeat never really scratched that itch sadly; he looked okay, but his transformation was fiddly, his robot mode had far too many bits and pieces flopping around unsecured, and his chest dragged along the surface in var mode. =/

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:57 AM)

I second wishing that we got a Deluxe Nightbeat from TR, mostly because as a kid he was second-in-command to my old Powermaster Optimus for the longest time. =P

@  tigerhawk : (08 May 2021 - 05:41 AM)

Wipe Out and Wilder it coulda been: Wipe Out is down in the dumps because the Scramble City Trypticon was destroyed and left him a drifting to the point he arrives in Legends World, he finds Wilder and both go on a crime spree subverted by their realisation neither gets any joy from it until they stop a violent crook together and become anti heroes. (Bass XO beat me!)

@  Bass X0 : (08 May 2021 - 05:39 AM)

Yes, Nightbeat and Siren would have been easy remolds of Chromedome - just give them new chests and each other's Titan Master heads. Fangry and Squeezeplay would be remolded from Twinferno with their own Titan Master heads. And Horri-Bull would have been remolded from Wolfwire.

@  Rycochet : (07 May 2021 - 05:10 PM)

Surprised we didn't get a full size retool from the monsterbot mold. I'd rather have a CW Ironhide retool though, we need a van Wilder.

@  tigerhawk : (07 May 2021 - 04:19 PM)

I just noticed Wilder was the only omission from Takara Legends.

@  Nevermore : (07 May 2021 - 06:01 AM)

Even more weirdly, it was the early shift where some people had their regular day off for the week, while the late shift was supposed to have full attendance (not counting sick days, vacations and overtime reduction).

@  Nevermore : (07 May 2021 - 01:15 AM)

The weirdest part was that there was a steady influx of voters during the early shift, while hardly anyone showed up during the late shift.

@  Nevermore : (07 May 2021 - 01:14 AM)

Wow, that was a long day. But it's over, and I finally got some sleep. Not particularly happy with the outcome, but then again, my candidates both admit they didn't really campaign that much.

@  Echowarrior : (06 May 2021 - 08:56 PM)

Best of luck, Nevermore.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 May 2021 - 10:18 AM)

Best of luck man.

@  electricidad : (05 May 2021 - 03:22 PM)

GOOD LUCK, NEVERMORE!

@  Nevermore : (05 May 2021 - 03:14 PM)

The election committee whose chairman I am has been preparing this election since February. There's no real gain for me either way, so I don't care that much for the outcome, but it's going to be a stressful day for me either way.

@  Nevermore : (05 May 2021 - 03:13 PM)

Wish me luck. Tomorrow is this year's supervisory board election at my workplace, and I'm the guy in charge of organizing the election.

@  tigerhawk : (05 May 2021 - 01:30 PM)

I have two Overlords one was faulty with a melted foot and they never took it back but replaced it, I just checked the guns, both the handles seem to be turning white.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 May 2021 - 07:38 PM)

REVELATION! Towering war machines more durable than nerd!

@  Telly : (04 May 2021 - 07:18 PM)

pansy. my trypticon AND scorponok took a header from 4 feet up and only had parts pop off that were easily reattached. guess 'cons are tougher...

@  tigerhawk : (04 May 2021 - 04:03 PM)

My TR Perceptor fell and the titan master peg in the leg snapped off. Fortunately I have the Legends one.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 May 2021 - 08:50 PM)

It's a fairly well known fact that "it's a wonderful life" only became popular after it dropped into the public domain. So, yeah, they probably did.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (02 May 2021 - 08:29 PM)

I read an interesting observation on Twitter. If it is the natural course of a human to grow into Grandpa Abe yelling at a cloud, but nostalgia also yields rose-tinted glasses for the likes of one's youth, then did Greatest Generation adults bemoan how Baby Boomer children loved box office flops such as The Wizard of Oz and It's a Wonderful Life?

@  Steevy Maximus : (02 May 2021 - 09:54 AM)

You’re traveling down a rabbit hole I dare not follow

@  Otaku : (02 May 2021 - 09:26 AM)

At the same time, with my almost non-existent knowledge of Japanese and how oddly some things translate, seeing "Gorgeous Giorgios Gorges" made me wonder if that would make it "JoJoJo"... which now has my brain terrified of a weird Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo/Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Crossover. @[email protected]

@  Otaku : (02 May 2021 - 09:24 AM)

It is always weird when things align.  This talk of Gorgeous Giorgios Gorges in the SquawkBox reminded me of King Gorgeous Gorge on the FoxBox.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 May 2021 - 08:52 PM)

Nice

@  Nevermore : (01 May 2021 - 09:03 AM)

I got one even better: After that character by the name of Gorgeous Giorgios dies in a gorge, they name that whole area after him: The Gorgeous Giorgios Gorges.

@  tigerhawk : (30 April 2021 - 01:56 AM)

Paint apps did slide notably during TR, wave one's Titan Masters had detail but wave 2 onwards was absent of them. Wave 5's Ramhorn, Dreadnaut, Scorchfire and Aimless had detail but Murk and Hazard didn't, can't speak for Flameout as I got Legends Twintwist and Slugslinger.

@  kizudarake : (29 April 2021 - 04:50 PM)

Anyone here got any g1 jet fire parts for sale?

@  wonko the sane? : (29 April 2021 - 04:12 PM)

Other than a few overly tight joints, the paints apps are my single complaint about the generations line.

@  tigerhawk : (29 April 2021 - 02:25 PM)

I just saw Legends Leo Prime now I wish Titans Return Alpha Trion had a few more paint apps for ship mode.


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Nerf to enforce "Or Nothing" clause

Nerf Dart Rights Management

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#1 Nutjob R/T

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:00 PM

So many of you may be familiar with Nerf foam-shooting guns. You may or may not know that the default Nerf dart, the Elite (and all its recolours) are Empirically the worst dart to fire from a Nerf gun, from both a performance and cost basis. Their accuracy is poor and depending on where you're buying refills, you could be sending from a quarter to fifty cents spiralling off into oblivion.

Once you crack the gun open and crank up the power, the fishtailing and spiralling gets even worse.

So the Savvy buyer will pick up a Nerf gun from the shelf, turn slightly to one side, and pick up a hundred pack of Dart Zone darts for ten bucks or less. Less than a dime for a more consistent grouping.

Competitive types will buy off-brand Waffle Heads in bulk and end up at pennies a shot for a dart that still holds a tight group even when thrown at doubke or triple the stock velocities.

This interferes with the Gillette business model, of course, where you take a thin margin on the gun and make it up with fat margins on the reloads.

So, then, behold: The Ultra dart.

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It's halfway between Elite and Mega in both diameter and weight but shorter in length. It uses a styrofoam style stiff material for the dart body that's actually more fragile than the old foam. And it's ten bucks for a pack of twenty.

The most important bit is the multi-lobed tail end, though. It fits into the gun like a key.

If a dart is loaded that doesn't fit the lockout shape, the gun skips it.

And most importantly, that shape has been patented, so Hasbro has a legal stance against aftermarket groups making and selling better replacements for far less.

Pre-release testing has shown there's only a marginal increase in accuracy, and every dart out of the starter gun tumbles. Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

But that gets back to the core of the issue; Giving this gun better ammo to see if it's the darts causing the issue would require disabling the DRM, the Dart Rights Management system.

On the other other hand, there's now a sizable Not-Nerf supply of arms in the Elite standard caliber, both for sale as Ready-To-Fire Walmart models, and high-end high performance customized kits.

So after the wall of text, do you have any opinions? Do you have any opinions I haven't already said? Have I shot myself in the foot already?

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:15 PM

Well, if you shot yourself in the foot: at least it was a foam dart.

 

I think it's pretty crappy of them, really. Darts that expensive will hurt more when they get lost, and will inevitably drive people AWAY from the nerf brand. I dunno who they think their core demo is, but lots of kids aren't going to get refills now, either before or after the gun purchase, and for the adults which imbibe, they're either going after A dart gun (cause they want something quick for a office war or something.) or a specific model because they want to mod it.

 

Personally, I see this being a mistake in their product roll out which might cost them a hell of a lot of goodwill and customers.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:22 PM

I actually did manage to shoot myself in the foot, the danged thing went and double-posted on me
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:25 PM

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:27 PM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

The gun nerf did their ammo testing with used a flywheel. A well built flywheel can throw waffles (or something equally innocent.) with the same or similar force to a nail gun.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:33 PM

The initial dart gun in the line

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is powered by batteries. It spins a wheel to build kinetic energy, then shoves the dart into contact with the wheel to spit the dart out at high speed.

Compared to the compressed air system, this flywheel-based system tends to be less precise in store-stock guns. Your groups will deviate more.

However, if you modify a flywheel gun with aftermarket parts and electronics, you can greatly improve the precision.

This increase in precision is compounded by using aftermarket "Wafflehead" darts, which themselves have less deviation than stock Nerf darts. So a modified Flywheel gun firing aftermarket Wafflehead darts can have an extremely tight grouping, if you're willing to take the time and effort to tune everything up.

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:37 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

Nerf is serious business yo


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 06:08 PM

Calling it now, the dart keying system is going to be imperfect, resulting in legit darts not being fired.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:05 PM

I'd be shocked.

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Well not that shocked.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:12 PM

Oh, and just to compare: This is what I mean by Wafflehead, compared to an Elite type head.

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For some reason, the shape of the head and the weight distribution keeps it flying a lot straighter, and practically eliminates pinwheeling and spiralling shots.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:47 PM

Yeesh, this is a pretty blatant anti-consumer design choice. Gross, Hasbro. =/

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:54 PM

What do the feathers mean, though

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:09 PM

Softness. The waffle tip, you see, has three softs, while the solid Elite tip has only one soft.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 30 September 2019 - 10:10 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:58 AM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

Obviously, the gun uses spiral energy to harness the power of spinning.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:34 AM

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:57 AM

In all seriousness, congrats Hasbro! You've made it so I won't buy any more Nerf guns because the convenience of compatibility with my collection is more important than brand loyalty to me!


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:08 AM

China doesn't care about your patents.  This is a non-issue.  If it's a good blaster, there will be aftermarket darts.  But based on what I've read so far, it doesn't sound like it's any better than the standard Elite blasters.  I'm sticking with Rival--you can't beat a 100 ball capacity Nemesis, especially when modded.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

Also, er, the Elite line isn't going anywhere.  The Ultras are the showcase line, but they're just a subline like Mega or anything else.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:53 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 09:59 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate

 

I think Headshot is on par with Nerf.  Or at least close enough that the price difference makes it no contest.





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