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@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 08:28 AM)

Is there an English equivalent for what we Germans call "deductions in the B rating"? Context: Someone did something and suceeded on a technical level (as in, achieved the intended goal), but failed to some degree in the details, i.e. there was some collateral damage, or while a technical success, the end result is an aestetic failure. It can be used highly ironically, as in "barely achieved the intended goal, but failed so much in every aspect that's not purely technical that it might as well be considered an utter failure altogether." The German term is derived from the old judging syste in figure skating, which gave separate ratings for "technical merit" and "presentation", with the latter being the origin of the German term.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (10 November 2019 - 02:32 AM)

Huh. I did not know before today that "medieval" had an alternate spelling "mediaeval". Like "paleontology" and "palaeontology".

@  Maximus Ambus : (09 November 2019 - 04:15 PM)

'Beast Wars in underrated' the comment went. I exploded.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:19 PM)

Absolutely.

@  wonko the sane? : (09 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

So... you can look like a cop from the 70's AND a huge nerd at the same time?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (09 November 2019 - 02:09 PM)

I feel like the best way to carry the Switch would be an under-arm torso holster.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 12:31 PM)

It's not. hell. If the 3DS zelda case just stretched a LITTLE more it would fit.

@  TheMightyMol... : (09 November 2019 - 03:38 AM)

I feel like the Switch Lite is a bit big to have hanging on your belt like that, but I don't take my Switch out with me often anyway.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (09 November 2019 - 01:13 AM)

I must be the only one who wants a switch lite case with a belt loop. o.O

@  TheMightyMol... : (08 November 2019 - 03:03 PM)

I'm gonna have "Chainsaw Buffet" and "Candy For the Cannibal" by Lordi playing in my head all night.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

Trick or treaters can only consent to cannibalism in Germania.

@  Sabrblade : (07 November 2019 - 12:12 PM)

Hey, if the trick or treaters can't take some loving insults, that's their problem.

@  Arazyr : (07 November 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Just make sure to put the leftovers in the fridge, so they don't get spoiled.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I love children... but I can never eat a whole one.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 November 2019 - 09:52 AM)

I can neither confirm nor deny this allegation.

@  Paladin : (07 November 2019 - 09:46 AM)

...you don't roast the trick or treaters, do you....

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:38 AM)

A cold beer, a warm fire, some smores and trick or treaters... Man, you got this life thing down.

@  wonko the sane? : (07 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

That actually sounds pretty awesome.

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:59 AM)

we'll move to the open garage if it's raining

@  MEDdMI : (07 November 2019 - 08:58 AM)

every Halloween since we got a house, TMM and I chill in the driveway with a fire bowl and roast things while handing out candy. It's pretty great.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 November 2019 - 03:42 AM)

Peter Cullen voiced King Kong let that sink in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:42 PM)

I've noticed that after a year or two, though, people with children will start getting into it for their kids

@  TM2-Megatron : (06 November 2019 - 11:41 PM)

I think a lot of the decline you see in Halloween is due to newcomers to Canada who don't really get it... I mean,there are only a handful of countries in the world that practice this particular oddity

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (06 November 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I recently attended a talk on Samhain and its associated mythology by a professor from Limerick.

@  Otaku : (06 November 2019 - 11:49 AM)

Trunk or Treats have become more popular because it is supposed to be safer, and even if it isn't, it just tends to be easier for the Trick-or-Treaters.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 November 2019 - 11:00 AM)

That's okay: between ever more extreme weather, ever more violent society, and general paranoia of parents: halloweens not doing to well out here either.

@  Anonymous X : (06 November 2019 - 09:30 AM)

We used to have Bonfire Night here in the UK as our thing instead of Halloween... It's withered away for the most part. Halloween used to be the strange American tradition you knew of from ET or various cartoons

@  TheMightyMol... : (06 November 2019 - 06:33 AM)

So that's why I never get invited anywhere.

@  Otaku : (05 November 2019 - 12:36 PM)

@Bass X0 Are we talking about the quality of the costumes or their subject matter?  The former is a natural result of cosplay growing less and less niche over the decades.  The latter isn't new; mass produced stuff is at least as old as you or I and are we sure no one dressed as a cowboy or astronaut or whatever in the 1950's?  Monsters weren't allowed at certain parties, strange as it sounds. XP

@  Benbot : (05 November 2019 - 12:23 PM)

is the quick reply broken for anyone else or is it just me?

@  Pinkcolliebot : (05 November 2019 - 11:30 AM)

Announcement! TF Roll Out Short Gotta Go Fast! Storyboard in the works! Green lit Real Soon.


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Nerf to enforce "Or Nothing" clause

Nerf Dart Rights Management

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:00 PM

So many of you may be familiar with Nerf foam-shooting guns. You may or may not know that the default Nerf dart, the Elite (and all its recolours) are Empirically the worst dart to fire from a Nerf gun, from both a performance and cost basis. Their accuracy is poor and depending on where you're buying refills, you could be sending from a quarter to fifty cents spiralling off into oblivion.

Once you crack the gun open and crank up the power, the fishtailing and spiralling gets even worse.

So the Savvy buyer will pick up a Nerf gun from the shelf, turn slightly to one side, and pick up a hundred pack of Dart Zone darts for ten bucks or less. Less than a dime for a more consistent grouping.

Competitive types will buy off-brand Waffle Heads in bulk and end up at pennies a shot for a dart that still holds a tight group even when thrown at doubke or triple the stock velocities.

This interferes with the Gillette business model, of course, where you take a thin margin on the gun and make it up with fat margins on the reloads.

So, then, behold: The Ultra dart.

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It's halfway between Elite and Mega in both diameter and weight but shorter in length. It uses a styrofoam style stiff material for the dart body that's actually more fragile than the old foam. And it's ten bucks for a pack of twenty.

The most important bit is the multi-lobed tail end, though. It fits into the gun like a key.

If a dart is loaded that doesn't fit the lockout shape, the gun skips it.

And most importantly, that shape has been patented, so Hasbro has a legal stance against aftermarket groups making and selling better replacements for far less.

Pre-release testing has shown there's only a marginal increase in accuracy, and every dart out of the starter gun tumbles. Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

But that gets back to the core of the issue; Giving this gun better ammo to see if it's the darts causing the issue would require disabling the DRM, the Dart Rights Management system.

On the other other hand, there's now a sizable Not-Nerf supply of arms in the Elite standard caliber, both for sale as Ready-To-Fire Walmart models, and high-end high performance customized kits.

So after the wall of text, do you have any opinions? Do you have any opinions I haven't already said? Have I shot myself in the foot already?

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:15 PM

Well, if you shot yourself in the foot: at least it was a foam dart.

 

I think it's pretty crappy of them, really. Darts that expensive will hurt more when they get lost, and will inevitably drive people AWAY from the nerf brand. I dunno who they think their core demo is, but lots of kids aren't going to get refills now, either before or after the gun purchase, and for the adults which imbibe, they're either going after A dart gun (cause they want something quick for a office war or something.) or a specific model because they want to mod it.

 

Personally, I see this being a mistake in their product roll out which might cost them a hell of a lot of goodwill and customers.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:22 PM

I actually did manage to shoot myself in the foot, the danged thing went and double-posted on me
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:25 PM

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:27 PM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

The gun nerf did their ammo testing with used a flywheel. A well built flywheel can throw waffles (or something equally innocent.) with the same or similar force to a nail gun.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:33 PM

The initial dart gun in the line

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is powered by batteries. It spins a wheel to build kinetic energy, then shoves the dart into contact with the wheel to spit the dart out at high speed.

Compared to the compressed air system, this flywheel-based system tends to be less precise in store-stock guns. Your groups will deviate more.

However, if you modify a flywheel gun with aftermarket parts and electronics, you can greatly improve the precision.

This increase in precision is compounded by using aftermarket "Wafflehead" darts, which themselves have less deviation than stock Nerf darts. So a modified Flywheel gun firing aftermarket Wafflehead darts can have an extremely tight grouping, if you're willing to take the time and effort to tune everything up.

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:37 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

Nerf is serious business yo


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 06:08 PM

Calling it now, the dart keying system is going to be imperfect, resulting in legit darts not being fired.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:05 PM

I'd be shocked.

SHOCKED!

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Well not that shocked.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:12 PM

Oh, and just to compare: This is what I mean by Wafflehead, compared to an Elite type head.

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For some reason, the shape of the head and the weight distribution keeps it flying a lot straighter, and practically eliminates pinwheeling and spiralling shots.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:47 PM

Yeesh, this is a pretty blatant anti-consumer design choice. Gross, Hasbro. =/

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:54 PM

What do the feathers mean, though

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:09 PM

Softness. The waffle tip, you see, has three softs, while the solid Elite tip has only one soft.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 30 September 2019 - 10:10 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:58 AM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

Obviously, the gun uses spiral energy to harness the power of spinning.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:34 AM

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:57 AM

In all seriousness, congrats Hasbro! You've made it so I won't buy any more Nerf guns because the convenience of compatibility with my collection is more important than brand loyalty to me!



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:08 AM

China doesn't care about your patents.  This is a non-issue.  If it's a good blaster, there will be aftermarket darts.  But based on what I've read so far, it doesn't sound like it's any better than the standard Elite blasters.  I'm sticking with Rival--you can't beat a 100 ball capacity Nemesis, especially when modded.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

Also, er, the Elite line isn't going anywhere.  The Ultras are the showcase line, but they're just a subline like Mega or anything else.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:53 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 09:59 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate

 

I think Headshot is on par with Nerf.  Or at least close enough that the price difference makes it no contest.





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