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@  SG Roadbuster : (08 August 2020 - 01:53 PM)

@Nevermore yes.

@  Nevermore : (08 August 2020 - 09:11 AM)

Is $30 a good deal for Subscription Service Breakdown?

@  Trpodeca : (08 August 2020 - 06:24 AM)

Oh dear God no. Twitter has changed it's default layout to the terrible new one. Why waste so much space on the left?

@  Steevy Maximus : (07 August 2020 - 08:28 PM)

@Bass X0, yeah, the Joe comic got REALLY solid in the upper 20s to the Cobra Civil War. It's interesting to see how well the Joe comic has aged relative to the cartoon. Where as I feel the opposite is true of Transformers

@  -LittleAutob... : (07 August 2020 - 03:58 PM)

Its so fun watching past TF Conventions.

@  Bass X0 : (07 August 2020 - 02:20 PM)

I've been reading classic 80s G.I. Joe lately. Its still decent even though I don't have any nostalgia towards it.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 08:50 AM)

Think of it as Adam West Batman instead. ;)

@  wonko the sane? : (07 August 2020 - 07:49 AM)

That sounds more like the flash, or maybe booster gold than batman.

@  Sabrblade : (07 August 2020 - 12:27 AM)

They would get bored fighting each other and instead decide to take an epic cross-country road trip together.

@  RichardT1977 : (06 August 2020 - 08:57 PM)

What would happen if Batman were to fight Squirrel Girl?

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!


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Nerf Dart Rights Management

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#1 Nutjob R/T

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:00 PM

So many of you may be familiar with Nerf foam-shooting guns. You may or may not know that the default Nerf dart, the Elite (and all its recolours) are Empirically the worst dart to fire from a Nerf gun, from both a performance and cost basis. Their accuracy is poor and depending on where you're buying refills, you could be sending from a quarter to fifty cents spiralling off into oblivion.

Once you crack the gun open and crank up the power, the fishtailing and spiralling gets even worse.

So the Savvy buyer will pick up a Nerf gun from the shelf, turn slightly to one side, and pick up a hundred pack of Dart Zone darts for ten bucks or less. Less than a dime for a more consistent grouping.

Competitive types will buy off-brand Waffle Heads in bulk and end up at pennies a shot for a dart that still holds a tight group even when thrown at doubke or triple the stock velocities.

This interferes with the Gillette business model, of course, where you take a thin margin on the gun and make it up with fat margins on the reloads.

So, then, behold: The Ultra dart.

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It's halfway between Elite and Mega in both diameter and weight but shorter in length. It uses a styrofoam style stiff material for the dart body that's actually more fragile than the old foam. And it's ten bucks for a pack of twenty.

The most important bit is the multi-lobed tail end, though. It fits into the gun like a key.

If a dart is loaded that doesn't fit the lockout shape, the gun skips it.

And most importantly, that shape has been patented, so Hasbro has a legal stance against aftermarket groups making and selling better replacements for far less.

Pre-release testing has shown there's only a marginal increase in accuracy, and every dart out of the starter gun tumbles. Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

But that gets back to the core of the issue; Giving this gun better ammo to see if it's the darts causing the issue would require disabling the DRM, the Dart Rights Management system.

On the other other hand, there's now a sizable Not-Nerf supply of arms in the Elite standard caliber, both for sale as Ready-To-Fire Walmart models, and high-end high performance customized kits.

So after the wall of text, do you have any opinions? Do you have any opinions I haven't already said? Have I shot myself in the foot already?

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:15 PM

Well, if you shot yourself in the foot: at least it was a foam dart.

 

I think it's pretty crappy of them, really. Darts that expensive will hurt more when they get lost, and will inevitably drive people AWAY from the nerf brand. I dunno who they think their core demo is, but lots of kids aren't going to get refills now, either before or after the gun purchase, and for the adults which imbibe, they're either going after A dart gun (cause they want something quick for a office war or something.) or a specific model because they want to mod it.

 

Personally, I see this being a mistake in their product roll out which might cost them a hell of a lot of goodwill and customers.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:22 PM

I actually did manage to shoot myself in the foot, the danged thing went and double-posted on me
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:25 PM

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:27 PM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

The gun nerf did their ammo testing with used a flywheel. A well built flywheel can throw waffles (or something equally innocent.) with the same or similar force to a nail gun.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:33 PM

The initial dart gun in the line

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is powered by batteries. It spins a wheel to build kinetic energy, then shoves the dart into contact with the wheel to spit the dart out at high speed.

Compared to the compressed air system, this flywheel-based system tends to be less precise in store-stock guns. Your groups will deviate more.

However, if you modify a flywheel gun with aftermarket parts and electronics, you can greatly improve the precision.

This increase in precision is compounded by using aftermarket "Wafflehead" darts, which themselves have less deviation than stock Nerf darts. So a modified Flywheel gun firing aftermarket Wafflehead darts can have an extremely tight grouping, if you're willing to take the time and effort to tune everything up.

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:37 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

Nerf is serious business yo


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 06:08 PM

Calling it now, the dart keying system is going to be imperfect, resulting in legit darts not being fired.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:05 PM

I'd be shocked.

SHOCKED!

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Well not that shocked.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:12 PM

Oh, and just to compare: This is what I mean by Wafflehead, compared to an Elite type head.

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For some reason, the shape of the head and the weight distribution keeps it flying a lot straighter, and practically eliminates pinwheeling and spiralling shots.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:47 PM

Yeesh, this is a pretty blatant anti-consumer design choice. Gross, Hasbro. =/

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:54 PM

What do the feathers mean, though

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:09 PM

Softness. The waffle tip, you see, has three softs, while the solid Elite tip has only one soft.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 30 September 2019 - 10:10 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:58 AM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

Obviously, the gun uses spiral energy to harness the power of spinning.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:34 AM

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:57 AM

In all seriousness, congrats Hasbro! You've made it so I won't buy any more Nerf guns because the convenience of compatibility with my collection is more important than brand loyalty to me!


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:08 AM

China doesn't care about your patents.  This is a non-issue.  If it's a good blaster, there will be aftermarket darts.  But based on what I've read so far, it doesn't sound like it's any better than the standard Elite blasters.  I'm sticking with Rival--you can't beat a 100 ball capacity Nemesis, especially when modded.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

Also, er, the Elite line isn't going anywhere.  The Ultras are the showcase line, but they're just a subline like Mega or anything else.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:53 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 09:59 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate

 

I think Headshot is on par with Nerf.  Or at least close enough that the price difference makes it no contest.





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