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@  wonko the sane? : (14 December 2019 - 05:51 PM)

Nope. Forgot entirely, had to make another trip.

@  TheMightyMol... : (14 December 2019 - 04:04 PM)

Well, did you get water?

@  wonko the sane? : (14 December 2019 - 01:56 PM)

Went to the bathroom, shaved, baked a cake... wait, I only got up to get some water...

@  unluckiness : (14 December 2019 - 09:01 AM)

That's a common misconception. You see compared to the first run, it's a new mold.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (14 December 2019 - 03:27 AM)

Wouldn't that just add packaging authenticity? :D

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (14 December 2019 - 01:44 AM)

I read a anecdote of someone recently receiving a Glacialord with mold because apparently online stores' warehouses have been sitting on Fansproject products like that for years.

@  Rycochet : (13 December 2019 - 11:56 AM)

Unlike many of his peers, Morton diesn't seem to have gone out of his way to try and take every drug going so he's aged remarkably well.

@  Donocropolis : (13 December 2019 - 11:39 AM)

Doesn't seem to have been a market for it, which is too bad, because it perfectly does what it sets out to do.

@  Donocropolis : (13 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Just opened it and suddenly I'm 9 years old again.

@  Donocropolis : (13 December 2019 - 11:38 AM)

Bought myself Fansproject Glacialord for my birthday during their Black Friday sale.

@  Nevermore : (12 December 2019 - 07:45 PM)

Morten Harket of A-ha might have aged 35 years on the outside, but his voice is still pretty much the same as it was in 1984. That's some great training and exercise for you.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 December 2019 - 06:59 PM)

Depends entirely on how badly you cooked them. What?

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 December 2019 - 05:33 PM)

Can it raise the dead?

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:33 PM)

Cheddar can do just about anything.

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Cream cheese has to be on a bagel or crackers.

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:31 PM)

(for example: I like Swiss cheese on sandwiches, but find it merely tolerable by itself)

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 05:30 PM)

I mean are you eating it by itself? With crackers? On a sandwich?

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

I would ask, but I'd rather not know.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (12 December 2019 - 03:38 PM)

With my mouth, usually.

@  RichardT1977 : (12 December 2019 - 08:48 AM)

Depends on how you're eating it.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (12 December 2019 - 01:40 AM)

Havarti, without a doubt.

@  Greebtron : (12 December 2019 - 01:28 AM)

Not Don, thanks. I'd like a writer who actually cares enough to do the job properly

@  Benbot : (11 December 2019 - 09:34 PM)

What's your favorite cheese? I'm not sure, but it's hard to beat muenster.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 December 2019 - 05:10 PM)

Man I wish IDW could do a season 2.5 with a few writers like Michael Charles Hill or Donald F Glut or Paul Davids involved.

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 December 2019 - 04:33 PM)

They were looking for Skids, but the animators forgot he existed again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 December 2019 - 02:58 PM)

He regrouped with Omega Supreme, the Dinobots, Skyfire and the Protectobots.

@  Benbot : (11 December 2019 - 08:20 AM)

Did he get infected with the rest of the Autobots or did he smartly remain off-planet?

@  TheMightyMol... : (11 December 2019 - 05:38 AM)

He really just went to the beach for a couple of days, then called it in. Who's gonna follow up on it?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 December 2019 - 05:05 AM)

Anyone really believe Cosmos searched far enough for more ingredient for Corrostop?

@  Nevermore : (11 December 2019 - 03:48 AM)

Oh, we are pretty good at "forgetting" about that. Insisting on sending people home on their overtime, THEN suddenly rushing to do the "backlog" stuff when it's really overdue.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 December 2019 - 05:43 PM)

I've yet to find an organization which didn't have a backlog of "stuff" that needs to be done, but isn't important enough to put on the schedule proper.

@  TM2-Megatron : (10 December 2019 - 05:01 PM)

I'm sure most good/bad (depending on your POV) bosses would be able to find something for the worker to do, in most cases, even if it's spending 8 hours pretending to push a broom around

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (10 December 2019 - 04:39 PM)

Still better than American jobs. x.x;

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 December 2019 - 11:10 AM)

I'm pretty sure you've already mentioned this before. Especially that last one.

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2019 - 11:05 AM)

That can be fun if you're strong-willed enough. "Hey, you want to go home? Overtime reduction, there's nothing to do..." - "Nah, not today. I want to work."

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2019 - 11:04 AM)

This applies to the field of work as well. Meaning, your boss orders you to show up for a full shift, you show up on time and are absolutely willing to work, and then your boss realizes he has no work for you, your boss has to pay you for a full shift even if you don't work at all.

@  Nevermore : (10 December 2019 - 11:03 AM)

Fun fact: German law has a concept named "default in acceptance", which postulates that if there is a "service for payment" contract, the party that should provide the service correctly offers their due service, and the party that should pay fails to accept the service within due time, the second party still has to pay the first party even if there was no service delivered.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 10:54 PM)

If it's seasonal affective disorder, check with your doc about vitamin D supplements.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 December 2019 - 12:46 PM)

That's what I was thinking too, It's the christmas rush and if that's not stressful enough the cold weather can also impact mental health.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 12:41 PM)

Might be a stupid question given the comment, BUT: have you done anything outside the ordinary lately? Might just be a stress reaction.

@  Maximus Ambus : (08 December 2019 - 12:29 PM)

I've experienced sleep paralysis with ghostly images and similar things in the past and can snap out of it through moving my fingers. I've definitely hallucinated before and members of both sides of the family have had similar experience, some suffered forms of mental instability in two cases schizophrenia.

@  wonko the sane? : (08 December 2019 - 10:47 AM)

So... either a hallucination or night terrors. Are you prone to this kind of thing?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:55 PM)

It kept repeating until I sat up.

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 11:54 PM)

I've been up since three and when sheepish I was hallucinating something knocking twice against my bedroom door.

@  TheMightyMol... : (07 December 2019 - 06:58 PM)

Then repaint Apeface and Snapdragon as Transmetal Optimus Primal and Megatron. It's crazy enough to work.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (07 December 2019 - 05:32 PM)

Moral imperative.

@  Nevermore : (07 December 2019 - 05:13 PM)

Wishful thinking, rumor or leak?

@  Maximus Ambus : (07 December 2019 - 04:48 PM)

Snapdragon for Earthrise.

@  TM2-Megatron : (04 December 2019 - 10:22 PM)

Still not the weirdest thing a Nic Cage character has done in a film

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 December 2019 - 04:00 PM)

Couldn't be worse than him pissing fire as Ghost Rider.


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Nerf to enforce "Or Nothing" clause

Nerf Dart Rights Management

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#1 Nutjob R/T

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:00 PM

So many of you may be familiar with Nerf foam-shooting guns. You may or may not know that the default Nerf dart, the Elite (and all its recolours) are Empirically the worst dart to fire from a Nerf gun, from both a performance and cost basis. Their accuracy is poor and depending on where you're buying refills, you could be sending from a quarter to fifty cents spiralling off into oblivion.

Once you crack the gun open and crank up the power, the fishtailing and spiralling gets even worse.

So the Savvy buyer will pick up a Nerf gun from the shelf, turn slightly to one side, and pick up a hundred pack of Dart Zone darts for ten bucks or less. Less than a dime for a more consistent grouping.

Competitive types will buy off-brand Waffle Heads in bulk and end up at pennies a shot for a dart that still holds a tight group even when thrown at doubke or triple the stock velocities.

This interferes with the Gillette business model, of course, where you take a thin margin on the gun and make it up with fat margins on the reloads.

So, then, behold: The Ultra dart.

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It's halfway between Elite and Mega in both diameter and weight but shorter in length. It uses a styrofoam style stiff material for the dart body that's actually more fragile than the old foam. And it's ten bucks for a pack of twenty.

The most important bit is the multi-lobed tail end, though. It fits into the gun like a key.

If a dart is loaded that doesn't fit the lockout shape, the gun skips it.

And most importantly, that shape has been patented, so Hasbro has a legal stance against aftermarket groups making and selling better replacements for far less.

Pre-release testing has shown there's only a marginal increase in accuracy, and every dart out of the starter gun tumbles. Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

But that gets back to the core of the issue; Giving this gun better ammo to see if it's the darts causing the issue would require disabling the DRM, the Dart Rights Management system.

On the other other hand, there's now a sizable Not-Nerf supply of arms in the Elite standard caliber, both for sale as Ready-To-Fire Walmart models, and high-end high performance customized kits.

So after the wall of text, do you have any opinions? Do you have any opinions I haven't already said? Have I shot myself in the foot already?

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:15 PM

Well, if you shot yourself in the foot: at least it was a foam dart.

 

I think it's pretty crappy of them, really. Darts that expensive will hurt more when they get lost, and will inevitably drive people AWAY from the nerf brand. I dunno who they think their core demo is, but lots of kids aren't going to get refills now, either before or after the gun purchase, and for the adults which imbibe, they're either going after A dart gun (cause they want something quick for a office war or something.) or a specific model because they want to mod it.

 

Personally, I see this being a mistake in their product roll out which might cost them a hell of a lot of goodwill and customers.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:22 PM

I actually did manage to shoot myself in the foot, the danged thing went and double-posted on me
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:25 PM

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:27 PM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

The gun nerf did their ammo testing with used a flywheel. A well built flywheel can throw waffles (or something equally innocent.) with the same or similar force to a nail gun.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 04:33 PM

The initial dart gun in the line

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is powered by batteries. It spins a wheel to build kinetic energy, then shoves the dart into contact with the wheel to spit the dart out at high speed.

Compared to the compressed air system, this flywheel-based system tends to be less precise in store-stock guns. Your groups will deviate more.

However, if you modify a flywheel gun with aftermarket parts and electronics, you can greatly improve the precision.

This increase in precision is compounded by using aftermarket "Wafflehead" darts, which themselves have less deviation than stock Nerf darts. So a modified Flywheel gun firing aftermarket Wafflehead darts can have an extremely tight grouping, if you're willing to take the time and effort to tune everything up.

Edited by Nutjob R/T, 30 September 2019 - 04:37 PM.

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 05:02 PM

Nerf is serious business yo


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 06:08 PM

Calling it now, the dart keying system is going to be imperfect, resulting in legit darts not being fired.


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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:05 PM

I'd be shocked.

SHOCKED!

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Well not that shocked.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:12 PM

Oh, and just to compare: This is what I mean by Wafflehead, compared to an Elite type head.

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For some reason, the shape of the head and the weight distribution keeps it flying a lot straighter, and practically eliminates pinwheeling and spiralling shots.
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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:47 PM

Yeesh, this is a pretty blatant anti-consumer design choice. Gross, Hasbro. =/

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 09:54 PM

What do the feathers mean, though

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Posted 30 September 2019 - 10:09 PM

Softness. The waffle tip, you see, has three softs, while the solid Elite tip has only one soft.


Edited by Copper Bezel, 30 September 2019 - 10:10 PM.

Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 12:58 AM

 

Admittedly the stater gun uses flywheels, but a well-built wheeler firing Waffles can be a tackdriver.

Is this English?  What in the hell does this even mean?

 

Obviously, the gun uses spiral energy to harness the power of spinning.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:34 AM

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 01:57 AM

In all seriousness, congrats Hasbro! You've made it so I won't buy any more Nerf guns because the convenience of compatibility with my collection is more important than brand loyalty to me!


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:08 AM

China doesn't care about your patents.  This is a non-issue.  If it's a good blaster, there will be aftermarket darts.  But based on what I've read so far, it doesn't sound like it's any better than the standard Elite blasters.  I'm sticking with Rival--you can't beat a 100 ball capacity Nemesis, especially when modded.



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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:51 AM

Also, er, the Elite line isn't going anywhere.  The Ultras are the showcase line, but they're just a subline like Mega or anything else.


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Posted 01 October 2019 - 08:53 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate
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Posted 01 October 2019 - 09:59 AM

... Odd thing about Rival

Nerf is top of the heap for those rounds.
Every other supplier, you get different amounts of squish and uneven texturing

So with variable squish they react differently to the ejecting force and with uneven surface they'll have different drag effects as they rotate

 

I think Headshot is on par with Nerf.  Or at least close enough that the price difference makes it no contest.





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