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@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 07:01 PM)

Does germany make it quick and easy to see a doctor too? Cause an emergency doctor visit can take two weeks out here, and an emergency ROOM visit can take 18-24 hours.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:43 PM)

(Good thing is, under German law, if you call in sick during your vacation and see a doctor immediately, you get to keep your vacation days.)

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:42 PM)

Too bad. My plans wee to do two more overtime hours before having my last day of vacation for the year on Friday. Oh well.

@  Nevermore : (13 November 2019 - 06:41 PM)

So I'm currently on medical leave for a particularly stupid reason: Burned my back with a hot-water bag while sleeping last night. Though the doctor said I'm hardly the first person to have this happen to them.

@  Patch : (13 November 2019 - 06:11 PM)

Just a particularly odious example of the 90s era of depicting transgender women as either the subject of crude humor, or "Jerry Springer" material.

@  Ashley : (13 November 2019 - 04:55 PM)

I think Ace Ventura legit contributed to me spending years in self denial. I will never be ok with Jim Carrey.

@  Benbot : (13 November 2019 - 01:22 PM)

I thought he since changed his tune.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (13 November 2019 - 12:51 PM)

Jim Carry Paladin?

@  Maximus Ambus : (13 November 2019 - 12:22 PM)

Don't doubt what he can do. Sonic the Hedgehog!

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 11:51 AM)

not giving a dime to a transphobic antivaxxer.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 November 2019 - 11:25 AM)

It'll be a terrible movie if jim carrey phones it in. Otherwise it should be decent.

@  Paladin : (13 November 2019 - 10:45 AM)

sonics' still gonna be a terrible movie but at least they whined loud enough to make him look passable for a 2-minute trailer. "yay."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:37 AM)

But of course to annoying people there's no such thing as different decisions made for different reasons, there is only "I like it so it's right" and "I don't like it so it's wrong."

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:35 AM)

Even if we pretend it's objective truth that they were both bad, then they were bad in very different ways.

@  ▲ndrusi : (13 November 2019 - 10:33 AM)

Sonic's previous movie design looked genuinely bad. The Transformers '07 designs just looked insufficiently like what certain loud and obnoxious parts of the fandom think Transformers are required to always look like.

@  Otaku : (13 November 2019 - 08:50 AM)

Um... Purple Monkey Dishwasher?

@  TheMightyMol... : (13 November 2019 - 08:25 AM)

Do we really need to have Every Movie Transformer Thread Ever in the Squawkbox?

@  Bass X0 : (13 November 2019 - 08:13 AM)

Sure it made money but that doesn’t mean it has appealing character designs. Lot of god awful fugly faces in the Transformers movies.

@  Otaku : (12 November 2019 - 08:25 PM)

@Liege My issue with Transformers (2007) were elements I thought were unnecessary.  I know it was supposed to just be a joke, but I didn't ever need to hear about "Sam's Happy Time". >.> Which, being in awe of the first "live action" TF-film, didn't even register until I'd already purchased and watched it on DVD a few times (after seeing it in theaters 3 times).

@  Liege : (12 November 2019 - 08:22 PM)

For all the Bayisms in the 07 movie, it was tempered by Spielberg as producer. Designs aside it was an enjoyable popcorn blockbuster about a boy and his first car who happens to be an alien from another planet. They sequels are just Bay going unchecked after he proved how much bank he could bring in.

@  TM2-Megatron : (12 November 2019 - 07:12 PM)

I didn't find the designs in the '07 movie to be that bad, personally. What got really offputting was how Cybertronians in general become such huge a-holes in the later films; the designs were very much secondary to their horrible personalities

@  Sabrblade : (12 November 2019 - 06:59 PM)

And yet, Transformers still broke the bank at the box office, opened up the brand to a whole new generation of fans, shot the brand up to mainstream appeal, and enabled all kinds of new collector-oriented lines and other avenues to come about. Not saying Sonic's movie will do the same for his series, but the 2007 TF movie certainly did more good than harm.

@  Bass X0 : (12 November 2019 - 06:09 PM)

Paramount changed Sonic due to fan backlash but refused to redo Transformers 2007 with new cgi appearances based on their classic forms everyone’s knows and loves, and can relate to. Trailer 1 Sonic is as appealing a design as 2007 Bumblebee...

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 02:14 PM)

I don't. They're a pain in the ass to repair.

@  Benbot : (12 November 2019 - 12:48 PM)

I wish car companies would bring back flip up headlights

@  TheMightyMol... : (12 November 2019 - 09:07 AM)

Wear a hazmat suit. It's Walmart, they're used to weird.

@  wonko the sane? : (12 November 2019 - 07:54 AM)

2 inches of snow on the side of the house, 2 feet of snow on the deck. I hate this winter already.

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (11 November 2019 - 11:33 PM)

But that requires actually going IN walmart. ;P

@  Liege : (11 November 2019 - 11:22 PM)

Pro tip for anyone hunting the for the Walmart 35th exclusives: try the seasonal aisles rather than the toy section. I found the display with all the exclusives and a bunch of the reflector wave practically untouched amongst those novelty arcade machines and a bunch of frozen merch.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:45 PM)

Although that does spark an idea for me. In a new continuity, Censere the Necrobot could be the herald Cityspeaker for Quintessa the Necrotitan just to play on their monikers utilizing Greek for dead, nekrós.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (11 November 2019 - 09:26 PM)

I hate to burst your bubble, Maximus Ambus, but 90% of things said in IDW turned out to be amnesiac half-rememberings courtesy of Adaptus or outright lies courtesy of Shockwave.

@  Jenny : (11 November 2019 - 08:54 AM)

The toy's designed to look like Wipe-Out, anyway.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 08:14 AM)

Didn't they try to retcon that into a figure of speech because that connection went against everybody else's long-term plans?

@  Maximus Ambus : (11 November 2019 - 03:53 AM)

There's still some connection given Trypticon was created by Mortilus.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (11 November 2019 - 12:12 AM)

Yeah that toy doesn't exactly look like Necrobot.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 08:24 PM)

But.... it's just "Necro" not "Necrobot".

@  TheMightyMol... : (10 November 2019 - 05:10 PM)

But why does the God of Death need a giant space kaiju? Wait, never mind, answered my own question.

@  Maximus Ambus : (10 November 2019 - 02:15 PM)

Yowza I just realised Titans Trypticon comes with Necro AKA Censere AKA Mortilus.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

I... think the best equivalent would actually be the British "There is room for improvement".

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:15 PM)

There's always a sense of irony to it, but what the ratio between irony (you really failed) and straightworwardness (at least you achieved something) is depends on the situation and the speaker.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:12 PM)

The meaning can be both literal (you succeed on one level but fail on another), or it can be utterly ironic (you fail in every regard but the most technical; or even worse, "you really gave your best"), and anything in between.

@  Nevermore : (10 November 2019 - 01:10 PM)

For example: A singer can hit the notes really well, but clearly isn't a native speaker and what little of the lyrics you can make out sounds nothing like what it's supposed to be.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:06 PM)

The premise seems to be the mixing of technical and aesthetic technical qualities towards the overall success.

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 01:05 PM)

But both "hollow victory" and pyrrhic victory" are referring to having lost as much as you've gained. IE; a battle was won but both armies were destroyed. The town being seiged is victorious, but all the soldiers are still dead. Nevermore's concept is more "You did it, but it's so ugly we don't know if you actually succeeded".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Alternately, one could probably also call it a "hollow victory".

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:35 AM)

Example: In the Powerpuff Girls episode "Uh Oh Dynamo", the monster-of-the-day was a really tough, giant-size one that required the use of a really destructive mech to defeat it. While the monster was ultimately beaten, the city of Townsville was utterly trashed by the mech's weapons in the process. So, while the city was saved from the monster, it was harmed even worse by the mech that saved it, making the victory bittersweet.

@  Sabrblade : (10 November 2019 - 11:32 AM)

@Nevermore, sounds to me like what one might call a "bittersweet victory". The goal was met, but at great cost or by disastrous result that call into question if the achieved goal could even be called a success.

@  Arvegtor : (10 November 2019 - 09:40 AM)

Seems to be close enough to "Pyrrhic victory"

@  NotVeryKnightly : (10 November 2019 - 09:37 AM)

What do you get from putting the German term through a translator?

@  wonko the sane? : (10 November 2019 - 08:57 AM)

That is a ridiculously interesting concept. But I don't think english has a singular term for what you're describing.


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#1 Bass X0

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:18 AM

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:23 AM

Something wrong with that link.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 07:46 AM

Something wrong with that link.


Yes, try the second one. I can’t copy and paste text on this phone but I can do Links.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:26 AM

GUARANTEE it will be some sort of online exclusive.  For no other reason than retailers won't have any idea where to put a product like this...



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Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:31 AM

Cool


 
 
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Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:39 AM

... Neat.

 

Gonna keep my eye on this. Might need to get one or two for my niece.


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Posted 25 September 2019 - 01:39 PM

Pretty cute. 

 

GUARANTEE it will be some sort of online exclusive.  For no other reason than retailers won't have any idea where to put a product like this...

 

Odds are vanishingly slim it'd be anywhere but "with the rest of the dolls". I mean even Walmart has to give Lego its own aisle. 


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 26 September 2019 - 01:09 PM

The toy tuber I follow opened up his set already, well five of them. You can see how the hair works. It wasn't two wigs, shame that.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 11:09 AM

Well, this makes them the dullest drag kids ever.

 

These dolls are, frankly, really boring. They look like junior high kids really dull junior high kids, a concept Barbie's Team Stacie has been trying to make happen for months to no avail. I mean, Moxie Girlz were painfully wholesome, but they were actually cute and their clothes didn't look like Barbie Sweet Orchard Farm rejects.

 

I'm personally not glad that Mattel let Wild Hearts Crew die over this, but I'm certain this won't do better than that because both lines suffered from what appears to be creator-led indulgence.

 

I mean I've been wrong before, I didn't love L.O.L. O.M.G. but those have been tearing up the market. Speaking of, that's the doll market these are going into, so I have no doubts about this line's swift death.

 

 

 For no other reason than retailers won't have any idea where to put a product like this...

 

Dolls like Liv (and it's currently running ripoff, #Snapstar) have already done wholely removable wigs), while My Scene, Barbie Fashionistas and Bratz have all had lines where you changed character's entire torsos.


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Posted 27 September 2019 - 11:15 AM

Pretty cute. 
 

GUARANTEE it will be some sort of online exclusive.  For no other reason than retailers won't have any idea where to put a product like this...

 
Odds are vanishingly slim it'd be anywhere but "with the rest of the dolls". I mean even Walmart has to give Lego its own aisle.


Yeah I'm not seeing why they'd be anywhere else. It's not like toy stores sort thing based on characters' genders after all.

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Posted 01 October 2019 - 03:18 PM

Yeah, it's a fashion doll with brushable hair, it's going to be in the fashion doll aisle.

 

It might do well financially, it might not, but regardless I think it's great. 



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Posted 02 October 2019 - 01:14 AM

Ever since I found out about the existence of this line the day it came out, I've been dreading this moment.

 

As a concept that's out there, in the hands of children, or even in the hands of adults; I don't like this. However, I guess, in the hands of adults, I don't mind it as much as I would otherwise. Partly because I'd have never heard of them again in that case (has anybody heard of Curvy Girls?).

 

I'd be vague about it, but I think we all know the reasons why I don't like this fall squarely in the domain of P&R.

 

There, I said it.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 01:20 AM

Lol


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 04:12 AM

Ever since I found out about the existence of this line the day it came out, I've been dreading this moment.
 
As a concept that's out there, in the hands of children, or even in the hands of adults; I don't like this. However, I guess, in the hands of adults, I don't mind it as much as I would otherwise. Partly because I'd have never heard of them again in that case (has anybody heard of Curvy Girls?).
 
I'd be vague about it, but I think we all know the reasons why I don't like this fall squarely in the domain of P&R.
 
There, I said it.


Oooh, which thread in P&R?

How are the dolls tracking so far? Doing well?

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:00 AM

Oooh, which thread in P&R?

 

The LGBT thread, where else?

 

How are the dolls tracking so far? Doing well?

 

I cannot tell, and I think it'll be a while before you can tell anything really.

 

Trying to track anything through Amazon's various metrics (Pre-orders, wish lists and such) is never very reliable but it has been blown to bits by the L.O.L. Surprise brand. L.O.L. Winter Disco is on preorder, and the O.M.G. dolls just came out, so it's even worse than normal.

 

On YouTube, they've probably done about as well as Wild Hearts Crew? Though Mattel paid a few more influencers this time around, they don't seem to have helped. However, outside of collectible blind-bag toys, this is also a poor metric. However, despite Cookie Swirl C (doll influencer who I don't like/know much about but is immensely popular) having Mattel make a doll of her, she hasn't put up a video of them yet so I guess the numbers won't really be out until that happens.

 

However, compared to Wild Hearts Crew, there is one video of them that has broken 1m views, by some kidfluencer I do not know. WHC didn't manage that.

 

It'll all really depend on what's on clearance January 2020, I'd say.


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 05:26 AM

The LGBT thread, where else?

You've avoided saying anything aside from talking about dolls like a loaded handgun but I'm already pretty confident I could give you some alternatives.


Shouldn't gravity be doing something?
 
Of course there's a figure of Rodimus as some kind of animal girl. Why would I be surprised by this?

 


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 06:31 AM

Whoa! I only know the name Cookie Swirl C from that guy toy tuber that I follow. Didn't know she has a doll of herself.

Yeah, I think it's the adult market that would pick up on the line. Still want it to succeed.

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Posted 02 October 2019 - 07:27 AM

It's a very recent thing (like this same week maybe?). Going by what's happened this year, Mattel seems to have realized that they need to embrace marketing techniques beyond "put Barbie on shelf and wait for the inevitable".

 

Well, Wild Hearts Crew notwithstanding.

 

Though it was sad to pull up an influencer video recently and see the blatant "Mattel literally paid us to review this" language (usually all you have to do is send people stuff for free... though I guess that has it's own pitfalls).

 

You've avoided saying anything aside from talking about dolls like a loaded handgun but I'm already pretty confident I could give you some alternatives.

 

From what I understand, topics like this are indeed giant loaded handguns and really the only person I'm going to shoot is myself. Plus, I know a lot about dolls and I'm super-wordy by nature.

 

But at this point, what the heck, what do you suggest?


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 10:54 AM

Great Big Toybox reviewed these in case anyone wants a detailed look.  (Very honest toy reviewer, not just a shill.)  I'm watching right now, and aside from it being nice to have non-binary or non-gender-specific dolls, they also just look like very cool toys.  Nice quality and really nice presentation with the packaging.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=wGKIqNP_Xs0


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Posted 02 October 2019 - 01:42 PM

These seem really cool, and fill a sorely unfuflfilled niche in children's dolls.

And like, it's just really damn cool to have gender neutral/nonbinary stuff like that out there in a major brand. While yeah they're out to make a buck off progressive and/or queer parents and kids, it's always nice to see this kind of support out there. = ]

EDIT: Will have to watch that video, thanks Blueskyscribe!

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