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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#21 NightViper

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:16 PM

For Wingsverse, I wanted something to spur his pursuit of power and not have it be inherit from the start. Some moment where a desire for "more" pushes the tipping point towards being willing to grab power.

So I had him fiercely loyal to Deathsaurus but yet still in a level of command of a conquering force. He wanted to acquire more land and resources but he greatly respected his place under others' command. (He tested - and was meant to fail at - his advancement by trying to become a mentor to Lyzack but never challenged Deathsaurus himself since Starscream thought him the true Decepticon emperor and the most brilliant mind in Cybertron.)

But then when Megatron forced Deathsaurus' banishment and absorbed the warlord's soldiers into his own troops, the idea that some political wannabe gladiator defeated his great leader made something in Starscream snap. Part due to a need for revenge and part because he now realized how power actually worked among the Decepticons.

From that day on, he swore he'd amass as much power as he could, especially if it took away from Megatron.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:18 PM

I honestly don't want Starscream to take center stage in anything anymore.

 

Give it to someone else honestly.  Like Blitzwing or Octane or whomever.  Just not Starscream.

What if we updated his design a little? You know spice up his colors a bit, some black, maybe purple?

I feel like I'm really onto something here...



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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:21 PM

 

I honestly don't want Starscream to take center stage in anything anymore.

 

Give it to someone else honestly.  Like Blitzwing or Octane or whomever.  Just not Starscream.

What if we updated his design a little? You know spice up his colors a bit, some black, maybe purple?

I feel like I'm really onto something here...

 

Something like... Dark Energon Starcream?

 

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Edited by Sabrblade, 03 September 2019 - 12:21 PM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:25 PM

With the power of Dark Energon, he can do anything, even warp the sky!



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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:41 PM

Sometimes shallow motivations are okay. Just look at the Kurgan from Highlander, he's evil for evil's sake and he doesn't need any deeper motivation than that. He is evil because he loves every single minute of it.


I love shallow characters, especially when they're contrasted with deeper ones. I love IDW Skywarp because while every other major Decepticon was getting depth and development and even redemption, Skywarp stayed as a dumb, violent bully, even when coerced into working for the "good guys".

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 08:33 PM

I love shallow characters, especially when they're contrasted with deeper ones.

 

That's probably why I enjoyed the dynamic between Megatron and Starscream back in The War Within...



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Posted 04 September 2019 - 10:45 PM

A Starscream who isn't a traitor is literally anybody else. It's his starting point, not always his end point, thankfully.

I remember back in 1932 watching the first episode of Beasties and assumed Dinobot would be the show's Starscream.
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Posted 04 September 2019 - 11:11 PM

A Starscream who isn't a traitor is literally anybody else. It's his starting point, not always his end point, thankfully.

I remember back in 1932 watching the first episode of Beasties and assumed Dinobot would be the show's Starscream.

 

And now I want to see a version of Beast Wars done up in Early Disney/Fleshner/Cuphead style...


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Posted 04 September 2019 - 11:21 PM

I remember back in 1932 watching the first episode of Beasties and assumed Dinobot would be the show's Starscream.

 

Should we darn whippersnappers get offa yer lawn? :p


Edited by Sabrblade, 04 September 2019 - 11:22 PM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:13 PM

The  special effects were so much better back then, what with all the puppets and string and such.  :)


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#31 Blot

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 08:45 PM

 

A Starscream who isn't a traitor is literally anybody else. It's his starting point, not always his end point, thankfully.

I remember back in 1932 watching the first episode of Beasties and assumed Dinobot would be the show's Starscream.

 

And now I want to see a version of Beast Wars done up in Early Disney/Fleshner/Cuphead style...

 

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Eh, close enough...



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Posted 06 September 2019 - 09:42 PM

That's fantastic. And made more hilarious by the fact that I have no idea how the typo it's based on could've happened. Like... your finger was already on the 9... I mean...

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Posted 06 September 2019 - 11:23 PM

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 01:04 AM

Heavens, it must have been impossible to tell the seekers apart with no color and no voices


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Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:48 AM

I'm actually a real sucker for the modern trend of Starscream claiming some kind of god-like power and transforming into an unstoppable mutant. You could say this goes back to him and the Underbase in Marvel but stuff like him fusing with a space station, an Angel and the hilariously goofy backstory that MP Ghost Starscream is the fusion of ghost Starscreams across the multiverse...I dig it.

 

And yes, that means I even found Combiner Wars finale kinda cool on that note. Big ego Starscream is fine but I adore when a character with unchecked ambition pays the price for it in a dramatic way.



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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:13 AM

That's fantastic. And made more hilarious by the fact that I have no idea how the typo it's based on could've happened. Like... your finger was already on the 9... I mean...

I assume it wasn't a typo so much as an exaggeration for comic effect of how long ago Beast Wars premiered.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 12:09 PM

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.

"Optimus Prime has fallen! I, Starscream, am your leader now!"
"Nope."
"Definitely not."
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"That's not how this works, Starscream."

God, now I'm all for Autobot Starscream just for gags like that.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 05:20 PM

Isn't Autobot Starscream Thundercracker?
There is nothing wrong with Starscream being treacherous if his reasoning is fleshed wanting to be and he has plans rather than being Megatron with high heels and wings, oh and a crown, because movie.

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.
Like Garak from DS9. Closest thing was Ptowl but he wasn't as charming.
Well, then, that's definitely Prowl. Not sure "conniving and scheming" should really be romanticized by presenting it as charming, unless it's a character who somehow regularly bamboozles everyone to surprise them for their birthday.

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 11:10 PM

 

 

 

Isn't Autobot Starscream Thundercracker?
There is nothing wrong with Starscream being treacherous if his reasoning is fleshed wanting to be and he has plans rather than being Megatron with high heels and wings, oh and a crown, because movie.

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.
Like Garak from DS9. Closest thing was Ptowl but he wasn't as charming.
Well, then, that's definitely Prowl. Not sure "conniving and scheming" should really be romanticized by presenting it as charming, unless it's a character who somehow regularly bamboozles everyone to surprise them for their birthday.

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Edited by Sabrblade, 07 September 2019 - 11:10 PM.

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QUOTE(Bass X0 @ Aug 17 2013, 08:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.



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