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@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 09:03 PM)

Unless you count the Mask vs Lobo special, but that's less a duel and more a duet.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (04 August 2020 - 08:52 PM)

My favorite crossover fight was Thor vs Shazam/Captain Marvel. Early in the fight, Thor discovers that Billy Batson needs lightning to transform, and being a god of lightning he simply denies him that.

@  Sabrblade : (04 August 2020 - 08:46 PM)

Let's see a fight between Death Battle and Super Power Beat Down

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

Which Lobo later claimed was because he was paid to take a dive. Yes, really.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 August 2020 - 06:15 PM)

And then there's the times it's been decided by a fan vote, which is how we get things like Lobo (who can go toe-to-toe with Superman at full strength) losing to Wolverine.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

And then there are the "but my favorite characater will totes win because I say so" people.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I mean, there are some people who really approach this from a somewhat reasonable standpoint, coming up with a plausible scenario and a setting that creates a fair environment that doesn't favor one character.

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:46 PM)

My favorite stupid "why would they even fight each other" question recently was about three versions of Optimus Prime (G1, Bayverse and Aligned).

@  Nevermore : (04 August 2020 - 05:45 PM)

Batman obviously can beat everyone. Even Galactus. He's Batman. He's so smart, he'll just throw a Batarang and hit the weak spot at Galactus's forehead, knocking him out instantaneously.

@  wonko the sane? : (04 August 2020 - 11:37 AM)

It's almost like all drama is just manufactured pissing contests to keep us all entertained and distracted. :p

@  Tm_Silverclaw : (04 August 2020 - 10:16 AM)

Or they could go White Ranger vs Scorpion route and have both win. ;P

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:35 AM)

Besides, we all know the answer is nearly always "they fight to a standstill and then team up against a common enemy."

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:29 AM)

The best way to prove this is to give an example where the match is really lopsided in favor of one character but in popularity they're either evenly matched or the weaker one is more popular.

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 August 2020 - 09:27 AM)

The "who would win in a fight" discussions are really just people trying to make "which one's better" into something you can theoretically measure objectively, usually in a very specific way they think they've predetermined their favorite will win.

@  Otaku : (04 August 2020 - 02:01 AM)

@Nevermore So... you're saying you didn't like DC Versus Marvel/Marvel Versus DC?

@  Steevy Maximus : (03 August 2020 - 06:59 PM)

So, what happened to Hasbro's Zoids relaunch? An English dub, some stuff in southeast Asia, and now a game coming in October? That it?

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 10:46 AM)

Tidal wave, cause shooting water gets you nowhere.

@  Darth Gonzo : (03 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Who would win Tidal Wave or Broadside?

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:17 AM)

Btw Happy birthday to those people in the box to the right \o/

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 August 2020 - 08:16 AM)

The bottom line is obvious. It makes no literal sense to fight someone on your faction. :/

@  wonko the sane? : (03 August 2020 - 06:14 AM)

That's because you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to just stack skills and ability against each other. It's not the palace of doom, it's an episode of american gladiators.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:32 AM)

The only obvious winners of such a fight would be the bad guys.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

And what does it even matter? They should work together, not stupidly fight each other for the mindless entertainment of idiot onlookers.

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:29 AM)

Why would two good guys fight each other? What are they fighting over?

@  Nevermore : (03 August 2020 - 04:28 AM)

I never understood these "who would win in a fight between two good guys" discussions. They make no sense to me.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 04:17 PM)

If G1 had continued we'd have had Starscream back in spirit - through Krunk, Snapdragons partner and possibly Skullcruncher unless he was mute.

@  Bass X0 : (02 August 2020 - 12:28 PM)

There are some decent impersonators in fandubs though.

@  -LittleAutob... : (02 August 2020 - 10:45 AM)

The only true Starscream voices are Steve Blum and Chris Latta, hands down.

@  Sabrblade : (02 August 2020 - 10:14 AM)

Why they didn't have Scott McNeil voicing that Starscream, when he was the one who had imitated Chris Latta when he voiced Cobra Commander in the DiC G.I. Joe cartoon, is beyond me.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 August 2020 - 09:57 AM)

Say what you will, that was an awesome scene.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 August 2020 - 08:36 AM)

Beast Wars Starsream "I am AIR COMMANDER Starscream of the DECEPTICON BATTLEFLEET!"

@  Nevermore : (02 August 2020 - 07:02 AM)

I liked TF: Prime Starscream.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:36 PM)

Hearing Starscream's screechy voice in Cyberverse has to be the most annoying thing ever in Transformers. Even his G1 voice wasn't as bad. :doh

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 August 2020 - 08:35 PM)

KUP!

@  Sabrblade : (01 August 2020 - 04:58 PM)

Urkel!

@  TheMightyMol... : (01 August 2020 - 03:16 PM)

Steeeeeeeeve.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (01 August 2020 - 02:57 AM)

LEEEROOOOOOOOY! jhenkenz...

@  Hg Dragon : (01 August 2020 - 01:21 AM)

Candleja-

@  Sabrblade : (31 July 2020 - 11:02 PM)

Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice! Beetlejuice!

@  Echowarrior : (31 July 2020 - 10:18 PM)

Spongebob!

@  TheMightyMol... : (31 July 2020 - 05:13 PM)

KHAAAAAAAN

@  PlutoniumBoss : (31 July 2020 - 03:04 PM)

Bueller? Bueller?

@  Jet : (31 July 2020 - 11:31 AM)

DONKEY!

@  Maximus Ambus : (31 July 2020 - 06:55 AM)

Spanner

@  Xaaron : (31 July 2020 - 06:49 AM)

Jetstorm

@  Nevermore : (31 July 2020 - 05:33 AM)

Tankor

@  SG Roadbuster : (31 July 2020 - 04:44 AM)

Overrun

@  lastmaximal : (31 July 2020 - 01:33 AM)

Buckethead

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 July 2020 - 07:15 PM)

Now I wonder how many Transformers we can name with the fewest possible different names.

@  Nevermore : (30 July 2020 - 06:38 PM)

Ransack. That's like another 20 or so.


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#1 Johnny Here

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 09:07 PM


I really wish he was an Autobot because I think he's starting to become one of my favorite characters.

I knew he had reasons for betraying Megatron in IDW but it seemed like they didnt delve too deep...I just got finished reading All Hail Megatron

I wish they'd make m him a double agent in the new IDW series

I just want him to have some actual values instead of power for the sake of power

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Posted 02 September 2019 - 10:50 PM

I really wish he was an Autobot

 

Then go watch Armada.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 01:20 AM

I knew he had reasons for betraying Megatron in IDW but it seemed like they didnt delve too deep...I just got finished reading All Hail Megatron
 

 

AHM was an attempt to go back to the cartoon setting, so you won't get what you want there.

 

You should keep reading the IDW (1.0) comics though. He's a major character in John Barber's Robots in Disguise and Mairghread Scott's various titles, with a lot of interesting motivation and character development.



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Posted 03 September 2019 - 03:46 AM

Yeah, he retains his self-serving traits there, but it's hardly for the sake of being treacherous (he even lampshades that in RID, I believe) and it just gets more interesting the longer it goes.

This topic reminds me of MW Thundercracker, whose function was Rebel Warrior. That must've been a fun job interview.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 04:10 AM

Kinda what he's there for, though. I mean, if you want plucky yellow mass market appeal, you pick Bumblebee, you want a speechifying cardboard cut out, you get Optimus, you want someone to hurl themselves off a moral event horizon without hesitation, you get Megatron, you want to include a character you blithely think will be infinitely popular just because she's the result of a subsection of fans randomly picking her component attributes several years ago you want [think of something later], you get Windblade, and if you want a character to be a treacherous or at least underhanded git, well that's Starscream.



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Posted 03 September 2019 - 04:40 AM

As much flak as AHM gets (most of it well deserved), I kind of loved that Megatron subscribed to the idea that if Starscream actually managed to kill him, he would axiomatically deserve to lead. And that he got Starscream to buy into it enough that he saved Megatron at the end instead of letting him be captured or killed. Very Klingon.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 05:02 AM

Isn't Autobot Starscream Thundercracker?

There is nothing wrong with Starscream being treacherous if his reasoning is fleshed wanting to be and he has plans rather than being Megatron with high heels and wings, oh and a crown, because movie.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:10 AM

I think without Starscream's attempts to upstage Megatron and become leader of the cons, he would be another Soundwave or G1 cartoon Shockwave with very little development, the whole trying to take over as leader is a core staple of his character and I doult that will change anytime soon.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:44 AM

Isn't Autobot Starscream Thundercracker?

There is nothing wrong with Starscream being treacherous if his reasoning is fleshed wanting to be and he has plans rather than being Megatron with high heels and wings, oh and a crown, because movie.

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.

Like Garak from DS9. Closest thing was Ptowl but he wasn't as charming.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:48 AM

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:55 AM

Isn't Autobot Starscream Thundercracker?
There is nothing wrong with Starscream being treacherous if his reasoning is fleshed wanting to be and he has plans rather than being Megatron with high heels and wings, oh and a crown, because movie.

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.
Like Garak from DS9. Closest thing was Ptowl but he wasn't as charming.

Well, then, that's definitely Prowl. Not sure "conniving and scheming" should really be romanticized by presenting it as charming, unless it's a character who somehow regularly bamboozles everyone to surprise them for their birthday.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:55 AM

Read Marvel Grimlock. For a short while he schemed to take control of the Autobots because he thought he'd do a better job than Optimus. And, like Starscream, he actually got to be leader for a while.

Or watch RID Ultra Magnus, who also thought he should be the one carrying the Matrix, not his brother.

Neither of those are particularly charming, so, hmm, I guess who you actually want is IDW Getaway.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 06:57 AM

I kind of just want a character who's conniving and scheming on the side of 'good'.

"Optimus Prime has fallen! I, Starscream, am your leader now!"
"Nope."
"Definitely not."
"Not a chance."
"That's not how this works, Starscream."

replace Starscream with Dinobot and you've got the Beast Wars pilot

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:32 AM

I honestly don't want Starscream to take center stage in anything anymore.

 

Give it to someone else honestly.  Like Blitzwing or Octane or whomever.  Just not Starscream.


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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:44 AM

I honestly don't want Starscream to take center stage in anything anymore.

 

Give it to someone else honestly.  Like Blitzwing or Octane or whomever.  Just not Starscream.

 

Oh dear. Then, you're not gonna be too thrilled about Cyberverse season 2, as the episode descriptions make it sound like he's the season-long main antagonist, playing a huge gambit against both Autobots and Decepticons alike kinda like in The Underbase Saga or the middle portion of TF: Cybertron.


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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 09:50 AM

Yeah. I think that spurred my response. Hopefully it's good nonetheless.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:22 AM

Honestly, Starscream explicitly having no real ideology beyond pursuit of power is something I really love. I see it as basically being his defining character flaw.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 11:52 AM

no real ideology beyond pursuit of power

And suddenly I want to hear a Starscream VA reading Trump tweets.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:10 PM

Honestly, Starscream explicitly having no real ideology beyond pursuit of power is something I really love. I see it as basically being his defining character flaw.

 

The issue I have with it is whenever it isn't treated as a flaw.

 

Like, when people insist that he must be insipidly treacherous because "that's how he was in the G1 cartoon" because "he's supposed to be" and can never be allowed to grow and mature from being one-dimensional to becoming multi-dimensional.


Edited by Sabrblade, 03 September 2019 - 12:11 PM.

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I think the concept of being educated and being able to educate is something that more people need more of in their lives.

No, we don't all know everything but we should spread and share that what we do know.

If I'm consistently misspelling a word, I would want and expect people to correct me as should I imagine all decent people who know the value of good literacy.

Its just arrogant laziness to know you're spelling a word incorrectly and not correct yourself or ignore the advice when people do tell you how to spell a word correctly.

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Posted 03 September 2019 - 12:12 PM

Sometimes shallow motivations are okay. Just look at the Kurgan from Highlander, he's evil for evil's sake and he doesn't need any deeper motivation than that. He is evil because he loves every single minute of it.


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