The ongoing destruction of Vic Mignogna's career.
Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:33 AM
Ironbite-I got more but it'll have to wait
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 05:46 AM
So, Stan just filed an affidavit for shits and giggles? There are amendments to motions and responses to the opposition. They are allowed to file things later on because that's what deposition is for. The defendants will likely amend their defences and produce new filings as well after they deposed Vic.
Even if we say that Stan just forgot about the night, how does that look to a judge when the witness you specifically named as somebody who can vouch for the incident on record can't remember? That you didn't even bother to call this person up to ask if he remembered or not?
Let's say the affidavit turns out to be bunk. In that google docs folder, there was an affidavit that basically stated "Vic shouted at people" and emails between him and a (rightfully) very angry ex. Why were these deemed more important to include for us people who weren't invested in this rather than documents that are very much more relevant to the case, or even any of the plaintiff's filings?
And again, I did not say Vic is innocent. Just that something's fishy about all this. Just because I don't 100% align with what you believe does not mean I oppose it.
Edited by unluckiness, 06 August 2019 - 06:08 AM.
Posted 06 August 2019 - 07:41 AM
"Does pineapple belong on pizza" is an opinion to dissent.
"Is this person a sex offender" is not something with the option of nuance; that is strictly a yes or no position.
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Posted 06 August 2019 - 07:45 AM
I did say he was a sex offender. I stated that I changed my mind up there. My dissent in this case is in exactly how involved Funimation and the con circuit are in allowing him to run wild and covering for him.
Acknowledging that they were fully aware of his behavior for 2 decades yet permitted it to sell a few autographs and DVDs is worse than scum. Just short of doing the actual molesting IMO. As I said, I suspect that the inconsistencies and general lack of evidence are probably due to these people helping cover things up. Unfortunately, when they did decide to expose him, they covered it up too well or wanted to somehow reduce their culpability and the result is that things aren't quite fitting together.
Aside from this, I'm pissed at how incompetently this was handled. When they did decide to do something about it, they started a hashtag, fired him and just stopped there. They were so content on doing nothing else that Vic was able to sue them with no sign of them preparing a case at all. That is not how you handle a predator. When the case was started, you don't even call your corroborating witness and constantly underestimate the opposition who are watching every single word you put out. Your affidavit of the investigation doesn't clearly say what he did, leaving wiggle room. Then while you've been sued for defamation, you run to a newspaper and print an article that could be construed as defamation, possibly compromising your defence right then and there. Your online presence consists of people telling increasingly fantastic made-up stories that a single Google search can debunk instead of his verified actions, giving him an opportunity to ask for more damages and cratering credibility. Focus on the defamation when the tortoise interference is apparently a stronger case. You enlist the help of an online lawyer who spends his time adding to an ever-expanding snowball of contextless tweets and reaction GIFs instead of laying the case out in an organized manner for newbies. It's like they're trying to give Vic every possible advantage.
I don't want just Vic to face justice. The enablers deserve some too not only for taking this long to do anything but also for doing so so badly. And no, I cannot see them as the good guys or anybody I'd want to support in this situation.
Also, I'm kinda peeved that I had to dig through Twitter because regardless of how guilty he is, the documentation shared in this thread was sorely lacking and Twitter is garbage.
Edited by unluckiness, 06 August 2019 - 09:13 AM.
Posted 06 August 2019 - 12:43 PM
Focus on the defamation when the tortoise interference is apparently a stronger case.
Tortious interference. I have no idea how he has interfered with tortoises.
Posted 06 August 2019 - 07:17 PM
Here's something that bothers me about the "Open Secret" defense: If the studio knew about it, and did nothing, they make themselves liable. If the convention organizers knew about it, and invited Vic anyway, they open themselves up to being liable as well. The more people acknowledge this as an open secret, and do nothing to stop it, they become accessories. Those con security people: accessories as well.
It is extremely damaging to everyone. And the simple solution was "Don't invite or allow that guy in here." That makes way more sense than having to assign extra security people to him to protect the convention goers.
This is absolutely true. I realize this is going to make me look like one of those fascists who believe people should be locked up for not ratting out their drug dealers, but there need to be consequences when individuals and institutions conspire to keep known sex offenders out of trouble like this. Because this is why it keeps happening. Not because every man is a rapist waiting to happen, but because so many of them are surrounded by people who'd have their back if they were. It's why the John Lasseter business has permanently soured me on watching Pixar movies—not just because his name is in the credits of every movie they made before he left, but because the rest of those credits, and the credits of a good many films to come, are filled with people who had to have known and did nothing. His enablers.
...it's okay to still enjoy the stuff he worked on, right? I mean, I won't be down on anyone who disliked anything Mignogna's taken part in - we're all allowed to like or dislike a given fictional work - but FMA:Brotherhood's one of my favorite anime titles, and I don't want to disavow it simply because of accusations or worse against the lead VA.
I mean, it's anime, so you could just watch the subs from now on.
Edited by Pocket, 06 August 2019 - 07:18 PM.
"If you can keep your head while everyone around you is losing theirs, chances are you're not paying attention." - unknown
Posted 08 August 2019 - 02:32 AM
oh it is a huge clusterhug full of conflicting statements, legitimately real and also legitimately falsified evidence, and updates that somehow nobody agrees on whos side it makes look right or wrong.
I'm just gonna wait to see where everything is once the dust has settled.
Posted 15 August 2019 - 11:30 AM
I've got a friend who works as VA handler at various Florida cons. It is a WELL KNOWN scenario that Vic is a total creep to the point where female con workers are warned of it ahead of time. This has been going on for years.
If anyone here has ever worked in any entertainment venue, you as staff will be told which guests/entertainers should be avoided by your female colleagues. I imagine it's the same working for the convention circuit.
From looking at this thread, I am extremely confused why anyone would dismiss the idea that a massive wrong'un could run amuck in the entertainment industry for decades without any real comeback. Two words: Jimmy Savile.
Posted 31 August 2019 - 03:12 PM
God I was hoping for some hilarity. I didn't know it was gonna be this good.
Here we go. This is actually real life. Starting this off with using Panty & Stocking as proof that Funimation is “amarous and sexually charged”. Of all of the things, this ain’t it chief pic.twitter.com/DA3UWXivRO
Here we go. This is actually real life. Starting this off with using Panty & Stocking as proof that Funimation is “amarous and sexually charged”. Of all of the things, this ain’t it chief pic.twitter.com/DA3UWXivRO— Reikan ✊🏽🏳️🌈 (@CriticalReikan) August 31, 2019
Ty Beard's official responce to Funimation urging the judge to dismiss the lawsuit is to say, "They had a sexually explicit anime. Of course Vic's behavior is totally justified." It is the equivilent of being charged with rape, being caught raping someone, and then telling the police "look at what she's wearing officer!".
Ironbite-9/6 is going to be interesting for the Vic Stans.
Posted 31 August 2019 - 03:43 PM
Apparently it's also being claimed, batshit sounding as it is, that Funimation VA's have been using studio equipment and resources to record DBZ characters acting out gay/incest/underaged porn scenes for the lulz of it.
Which. Sounds completely batshit but if true would be.. well not great for anybody really.
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