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@  -LittleAutob... : (04 July 2020 - 10:14 AM)

*ahem* 4th of July....

@  ▲ndrusi : (04 July 2020 - 08:14 AM)

Nothing of importance has happened before, and nothing of importance will happen again.

@  Maximus Ambus : (04 July 2020 - 08:12 AM)

Nothing of importance happened today.

@  Telly : (03 July 2020 - 09:54 PM)

i want a "i survived 'rona and all i got was this lousy t-shirt"

@  TheMightyMol... : (03 July 2020 - 03:42 PM)

Slogan for 2021: "I Lived, Bitch."

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

They should make the next book in the Survivors series 'I SURVIVED CORONA VIRUS 2020'

@  -LittleAutob... : (03 July 2020 - 03:23 PM)

YEEEE I'M A SURVIVOR-

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:59 AM)

Probably gonna assemble Devastator after work.

@  Nevermore : (03 July 2020 - 06:58 AM)

Ooooh. Overload arrived. He's surprisingly fun.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 04:00 PM)

He's sweeter than the average bear.

@  Maximus Ambus : (02 July 2020 - 03:14 PM)

Convert him to Maple Syrup.

@  Bass X0 : (02 July 2020 - 03:10 PM)

what would Canada do with Yogi?

@  Cyoti : (01 July 2020 - 12:51 PM)

We can deport Yogi back to Canada now.

@  Sabrblade : (01 July 2020 - 12:50 PM)

Jellystone National Pawk. A westful wetweat.

@  Rycochet : (01 July 2020 - 12:47 PM)

Jellystone. We're going to be plunged into a decade of poor animation. Fortunately we've been led by bad cartoon characters for years so we won't notice much difference.

@  Maximus Ambus : (01 July 2020 - 06:19 AM)

what next? YELLOWSTONE?

@  Nevermore : (01 July 2020 - 05:46 AM)

Thanks, dead person.

@  Bass X0 : (01 July 2020 - 05:06 AM)

congratulations to all survivors of the first half of 2020.

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 10:21 PM)

21 for me, but after numerous repetitions I got it down to 17 and a half.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 06:16 PM)

I transform in six steps from human to human sitting on my ass at the computer and back again!

@  -LittleAutob... : (30 June 2020 - 05:55 PM)

x-x when in vehicle mode we can travel much F A R T H E R-

@  wonko the sane? : (30 June 2020 - 05:52 PM)

Because despite the fact that we can travel around the world in the time it takes to get a good nights sleep and a couple of meals: people rarely wander more than 25 miles away from home for the duration of their lives.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:49 PM)

I don't know how many days that trip takes - especially while sightseeing - but explaining they're 3936 kilometers (2445 miles) apart gives an idea, paradoxically because it is too large to easily picture.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 05:44 PM)

Aye.  When I catch lay people discussing miles and not how long the trip takes, it is in an attempt to stress how far away something is... like NYC to LA.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

But I can imagine 45 *minutes* easily.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:20 PM)

I can imagine a mile, it's a distance I've run. I can't really imagine 45 miles.

@  ▲ndrusi : (30 June 2020 - 01:19 PM)

I think there's also an element of the thing where things that are much bigger than us all blur together.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:49 AM)

If you're not, then you're more concerned with how long it takes.  Actual distance doesn't tell you that very well.  Besides traffic and road conditions, you'll need to know what kind of driving (city/interstate/rural/etc.).

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:47 AM)

Distance matters if you're being paid by the mile.

@  TM2-Megatron : (30 June 2020 - 11:44 AM)

Canadians are the same way, for the most part. If you're driving somewhere far, especially, it helps you plan out the day more than a distance in KM would.

@  Otaku : (30 June 2020 - 11:42 AM)

We use the time it takes to get someplace because that is what is relevant to us.

@  TheMightyMol... : (30 June 2020 - 10:55 AM)

Because even we can't figure out miles half the time.

@  Paladin : (30 June 2020 - 09:54 AM)

it's a big country with a lot of empty space. between our citizens' ears.

@  Bass X0 : (30 June 2020 - 09:52 AM)

Why do most Americans measure distance by hours of driving?

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 07:26 PM)

And as a result the world's lone blu-ray release of the film, an Australian disc that came out 7 years ago, now goes for hundreds of dollars on eBay. Thanks Disney.

@  TM2-Megatron : (29 June 2020 - 06:21 PM)

Well, they censored Daryl Hannah's butt in Splash :rolleyes

@  Paladin : (29 June 2020 - 05:43 PM)

maybe New Mutants is too bad even for D+.

@  Steevy Maximus : (29 June 2020 - 05:00 PM)

X-Men films are coming to Disney+ next month. But will they censor Hugh Jackman's butt?

@  -LittleAutob... : (29 June 2020 - 12:44 PM)

Pft.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 11:59 AM)

Behold! Night Strike Galvatron!

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 09:53 AM)

I will grant you a recolored body, and recolored troops to command.

@  Cybersnark : (29 June 2020 - 09:47 AM)

I don't want to be reissued. This body sucks, I wanna be updated.

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 09:43 AM)

I definitely don't intend to be reissued. Nobody would buy me.

@  Bass X0 : (29 June 2020 - 08:31 AM)

will anybody else attempt to be reissued?

@  wonko the sane? : (29 June 2020 - 07:51 AM)

*Gasp* Decepticons re-writing history to serve their own needs?!?!

@  Nevermore : (29 June 2020 - 05:48 AM)

The whole point of the DJD is that they're fanatical Megatron fanboys (especially Tarn) to the point of having their own headcanon taking priority of the actual canon, simply speaking.

@  TheMightyMol... : (29 June 2020 - 04:01 AM)

They didn't know the war was over until later. And then they denied it anyway.

@  PlutoniumBoss : (28 June 2020 - 10:47 PM)

"He's comin' right for us!"

@  Telly : (28 June 2020 - 08:40 PM)

was that even still in effect once the war ended?

@  TheMightyMol... : (28 June 2020 - 06:51 PM)

According to Roberts, soldiers can ignore the order to spare Whirl if he's directly threatening them. But mostly the DJD were out of their heads on Nuke and not really caring much at the time.


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#41 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:56 PM

I am dutifully impressed.

Though between the panel-popping and how you have to use arm-shuddering excessive force to split the legs out of planet mode....

Maybe the perfect spherical Unicron just can't exist?

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 08:03 PM

...I think I really want this thing. That transformation and robot mode do more for me than the HasLab version, and I like the size. Gonna come down to the price to fully win me over.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:32 AM

Wonderful design! Several "That's really neat!" moments. Had to kill the sound a few minutes- that music.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 01:02 PM

I am dutifully impressed.

Though between the panel-popping and how you have to use arm-shuddering excessive force to split the legs out of planet mode....

Maybe the perfect spherical Unicron just can't exist?

 

I think the problem doesn't lie in the shape of the final form but how they excute the transformation, this and the Hasbro verisons both involve a lot of panels to be moved about because they are trying to recreate the G1 movie desgin while the Armada desgin kept things simple, besides there is no such thing as prefection because if there was than there would not be a need to keep redesgining things over and over again, good example MP OP, he had what at least three verisons offically all based on his G1 desgin!


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 04:38 PM

Will it ship with a complimentary crowbar?
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#46 Confuzor

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:46 PM

I get the impression Haslab Unicron ultimately ended up being hampered by the desire to keep the arms as the equator and transform "like in the movie".

Everything about this Zeta Unicron pushes my buttons. Sure its got fiddly bits, but for that much more of a cleaner bot mode, I can live with it. Also those proportions are throroughly lovely. Its kind of a shame this also feels more toyetic than the official one.

Hopefully the photoshopped colors at the end are closer to what it'll end up with, those feel more "right" to me than the teal and color of strained peaches of Haslab.

Edited by Confuzor, 08 September 2019 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:35 PM

I get the impression Haslab Unicron ultimately ended up being hampered by the desire to keep the arms as the equator and transform "like in the movie".

 

I agree on that fact, but then I think what the Haslab one could really benefit from it becoming more a shell former, just have the shell parts removable to give it a much cleaner look but then back in the 80s, I don't think when they were making the scene where Unicron transforms, anyone thought that someone would attempt to copy the transformation and make it a toy, let alone the biggest Transformer toy EVER!!!


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 10:33 AM

Transformation video. Much less shellforming than i expected. Very very impressed. Think I'm in.

 

Comes with a second open planet mouth and energy beam effect that combine into a stand, ab crunch, opening mouth, eye LEDs, diecast side toes and shoulder joints.

 

Wow. That is very impressive. It makes a much cleaner robot design. Love how they did the collar and no huge turtle shell hanging off the back. Very impressed. 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:10 PM

I wonder how many people are going to pull their support from the Haslab Unicron after seeing this.  If I actually cared about having a Unicron toy, this is the one I would get.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:39 PM

At the moment, I'm not planning to pull my support from Haslab because it's big and official. But I will likely get this one too because it looks so much better. Love the engineering and how clean the robot mode is. I do hate the turtle shell on Haslab Unicron. 


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 09:04 AM

There's somehow room in my life (and house) for both this and the real deal.  My only real concerns about this are the planet deco at this point, since Zeta has a ton of experience with large scale combiners, so the joints should be fine.  And that Core Star has a unreleased G1 Unicron style LED in the top of his head for the planet maw makes me kind of giddy.


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:09 PM

Was it an LED?  I always figured it was lightpiping (making Unicron the first toy to have some).  But then, I've only ever seen photos.



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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:17 PM

The test shot had a hole on the back of the head that the youtuber said was a battery compartment


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 12:00 AM

At the moment, I'm not planning to pull my support from Haslab because it's big and official. But I will likely get this one too because it looks so much better. Love the engineering and how clean the robot mode is. I do hate the turtle shell on Haslab Unicron. 

 

wont be long before we can an entire solar system made up only of unicrons!

 

i hope some of the floppiness of the panles and tightness of joints will be fixed on the final version. and does it come with a dinobot damaged ass?? that should be a no brainer

 

i think ill be getting this one. its bound to be cheaper, and the way the panels fold away is far more practical than hasbros. love how they hide away instead of just stack up on top of each other. looks like itll be easier to handle too. there is such a thing as a toy being too big, and i think hasbros is over that

 

sometimes practicality has to take precedence over coolness


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 06:29 AM

wont be long before we can an entire solar system made up only of unicrons!

 

Then I bet there is two things happening in that Solar system:

1. Primus likely s***ing himself over the fact there is so many Unicrons

2. Unicron's devouring each other to become the surpeme Unicron!


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 08:46 AM

Was it an LED?  I always figured it was lightpiping (making Unicron the first toy to have some).  But then, I've only ever seen photos.

Yeah, the Hasbro and Takara versions of G1 Unicron had Shockwave/Galvatron style 9v electronics inside, with lights inside the head that lit up the eyes and the top of the noggin a la G1 Galvatron, which was supposed to be tied into a electronic voice changer gimmick in the chest.  The button to activate it was his "belt buckle" of sorts.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 07:10 PM

Man. HasTak should look at that video and think, "Why didn't we think of that?!"

 

I'm an admitted "official" apologist but there are so many things about this that are done better than Hasbro's. I think credit must also be given that they were obviously working on this at the same time as the official Unicron so they weren't just "improving" on something that had already been mostly figured out.

 

 

Given the recent MP-44 release, and other previous successes like managing to make the "impossible" Mainframe Dinobot character design a transformable model, I find it incredibly hard to believe that it comes down to "HasTak didn't think of it".

 

The reality of the matter is that the two companies had very different design goals in mind.  HasTak wanted to create the "iconic" Unicron: one that faithfully replicating the planet mode that was seen for the majority of TF:TM, and also approximates as best as possible his big transformation scene and recreating his arm transformation.  They also wanted him to top the charts as the biggest Transformers figure they'll ever make, which comes with its own engineering restrictions.  The HasTak toy is a dominant centrepiece in either mode, appropriately massive in both robot and planet modes.

 

ZetaToys' design is a more "purist" approach, and instead focuses almost exclusively on the robot mode, at the expense of the planet mode proportion and detail, and lacking any of the iconography of Unicron's big scene in the movie, for the sake of avoiding as much kibble as possible.  Their toy is significantly smaller that HasTak's, and can get away with engineering quirks that the larger toy cannot (I really can't imagine trying to support 20lbs of weight on Zeta's eggshell panel heel spikes).  The planet mode is positively tiny.

 

Neither approach is inherently right or wrong, just a byproduct of a character design that is utterly impossible to produce in a 100% accurate and faithful way, so creative liberties will always be in play.

 

For what it's worth, my favour still lies heavily with the HasLab version.  The gorgeous planet mode really puts it over the top for me, and while kibbly, the robot mode sells its presence much better.  It's not just about sheer size, but the intricacy of the surface detail also helps to sell his enormity.  He's also stylized employing forced-perspective techniques, with larger forearms and shins, that make him look more imposing.  While Zeta's version is largely accurate to what we see on screen, as a toy, it feels visually "weightless".  I simply don't get the impression that he's a robot the size of a planet, due to his lesser surface detail and "normal" proportions.  The Zeta toy also looks like a nightmare to transform.  He seems shellformer-y in the worst way, with the planet mode looking like a bunch of strung-together eggshell panels that all have to clip together just so, or they start caving in with little provocation.  I have a high tolerance for complicated, fiddly transformations, but the impression I'm getting is that this will be one of those especially frustrating ordeals, balancing the relative fragility of the eggshell panels contrasting the strength of the ratcheted joints (I'd be happy to be wrong, in this case).


Edited by mx-01 archon, 11 September 2019 - 07:11 PM.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 02:24 PM



 



Man. HasTak should look at that video and think, "Why didn't we think of that?!"

 

I'm an admitted "official" apologist but there are so many things about this that are done better than Hasbro's. I think credit must also be given that they were obviously working on this at the same time as the official Unicron so they weren't just "improving" on something that had already been mostly figured out.

 

 

Given the recent MP-44 release, and other previous successes like managing to make the "impossible" Mainframe Dinobot character design a transformable model, I find it incredibly hard to believe that it comes down to "HasTak didn't think of it".

I know there's a whole rest of an essay there, but I'm just going to say that there's a big difference between, "didn't think of it" and "can't do it."  I just don't think it ever occurred to them to use this kind of odd symmetrical transformation scheme because they were probably already focused on some other element going in, whether it be "fully accurate planet" or "replicate arm transformation from film."  Basically, I think they already started with different design goals in mind that never led them towards a transformation like Zeta's.

 

I also kind of have to call you out on the "Zeta is a shellformer in the worst way" when the HasLab one is very much the same.  Like, we've seen the transformation video.  We know the ridiculous extent of the real deal's shellformer-ing.  It's basically a lateral move between the two.  I'm still in for both, but c'mon.


Edited by Spark, 12 September 2019 - 02:32 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 03:10 PM

Zeta Toys took down any mentioning of this figure from their Facebook page.

 

Still up on their Weibo.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 03:37 PM

I'm wondering if Hasbro Asia sent them a C&D or something.


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