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@  TheMightyMol... : (13 May 2021 - 04:41 PM)

Yeah, my hybrid does that when idling or at low speeds. Otherwise it's almost completely silent.

@  ZakuConvoy : (13 May 2021 - 02:27 PM)

That might actually be a fake noise they make electric cars make so pedestrians can hear them. Some cars even let you pick out what noise they make.

@  wonko the sane? : (13 May 2021 - 11:20 AM)

Actually heard a car with that electric, scifi-hum to it. Made me realize that we kinda are living in the future...

@  tigerhawk : (13 May 2021 - 03:28 AM)

Nearly thirty Studio Series figs including the '86 line. "I won't touch that." I said a few years ago when deluxe wave 5 came to my store for a tenner each. My latest one' is 72 Starscream.

@  Steevy Maximus : (10 May 2021 - 05:22 PM)

God, it's such a pain to have a local email address shut down. So many accounts to update...

@  Bass X0 : (10 May 2021 - 04:43 PM)

"Let's make a bargain, shall we? You ask Primus for help and I'll stop the moment He shows up."

@  tigerhawk : (10 May 2021 - 02:56 AM)

The 1988 G1 line up could all have been done as Titan Master things, I figure the Pretenders could be done as Titan Master Drones and Prime Master shells.

@  Cyoti : (08 May 2021 - 11:14 AM)

Perfect is the enemy of the good. And it's still better than making him a remold of RTS Jazz as planned originally. Fact of the matter is: Nightbeat is just not a priority with Hasbro.

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:58 AM)

Generations Nightbeat never really scratched that itch sadly; he looked okay, but his transformation was fiddly, his robot mode had far too many bits and pieces flopping around unsecured, and his chest dragged along the surface in var mode. =/

@  Demovere Xeno : (08 May 2021 - 08:57 AM)

I second wishing that we got a Deluxe Nightbeat from TR, mostly because as a kid he was second-in-command to my old Powermaster Optimus for the longest time. =P

@  tigerhawk : (08 May 2021 - 05:41 AM)

Wipe Out and Wilder it coulda been: Wipe Out is down in the dumps because the Scramble City Trypticon was destroyed and left him a drifting to the point he arrives in Legends World, he finds Wilder and both go on a crime spree subverted by their realisation neither gets any joy from it until they stop a violent crook together and become anti heroes. (Bass XO beat me!)

@  Bass X0 : (08 May 2021 - 05:39 AM)

Yes, Nightbeat and Siren would have been easy remolds of Chromedome - just give them new chests and each other's Titan Master heads. Fangry and Squeezeplay would be remolded from Twinferno with their own Titan Master heads. And Horri-Bull would have been remolded from Wolfwire.

@  Rycochet : (07 May 2021 - 05:10 PM)

Surprised we didn't get a full size retool from the monsterbot mold. I'd rather have a CW Ironhide retool though, we need a van Wilder.

@  tigerhawk : (07 May 2021 - 04:19 PM)

I just noticed Wilder was the only omission from Takara Legends.

@  Nevermore : (07 May 2021 - 06:01 AM)

Even more weirdly, it was the early shift where some people had their regular day off for the week, while the late shift was supposed to have full attendance (not counting sick days, vacations and overtime reduction).

@  Nevermore : (07 May 2021 - 01:15 AM)

The weirdest part was that there was a steady influx of voters during the early shift, while hardly anyone showed up during the late shift.

@  Nevermore : (07 May 2021 - 01:14 AM)

Wow, that was a long day. But it's over, and I finally got some sleep. Not particularly happy with the outcome, but then again, my candidates both admit they didn't really campaign that much.

@  Echowarrior : (06 May 2021 - 08:56 PM)

Best of luck, Nevermore.

@  wonko the sane? : (06 May 2021 - 10:18 AM)

Best of luck man.

@  electricidad : (05 May 2021 - 03:22 PM)

GOOD LUCK, NEVERMORE!

@  Nevermore : (05 May 2021 - 03:14 PM)

The election committee whose chairman I am has been preparing this election since February. There's no real gain for me either way, so I don't care that much for the outcome, but it's going to be a stressful day for me either way.

@  Nevermore : (05 May 2021 - 03:13 PM)

Wish me luck. Tomorrow is this year's supervisory board election at my workplace, and I'm the guy in charge of organizing the election.

@  tigerhawk : (05 May 2021 - 01:30 PM)

I have two Overlords one was faulty with a melted foot and they never took it back but replaced it, I just checked the guns, both the handles seem to be turning white.

@  TheMightyMol... : (04 May 2021 - 07:38 PM)

REVELATION! Towering war machines more durable than nerd!

@  Telly : (04 May 2021 - 07:18 PM)

pansy. my trypticon AND scorponok took a header from 4 feet up and only had parts pop off that were easily reattached. guess 'cons are tougher...

@  tigerhawk : (04 May 2021 - 04:03 PM)

My TR Perceptor fell and the titan master peg in the leg snapped off. Fortunately I have the Legends one.

@  wonko the sane? : (02 May 2021 - 08:50 PM)

It's a fairly well known fact that "it's a wonderful life" only became popular after it dropped into the public domain. So, yeah, they probably did.

@  SHIELD Agent 47 : (02 May 2021 - 08:29 PM)

I read an interesting observation on Twitter. If it is the natural course of a human to grow into Grandpa Abe yelling at a cloud, but nostalgia also yields rose-tinted glasses for the likes of one's youth, then did Greatest Generation adults bemoan how Baby Boomer children loved box office flops such as The Wizard of Oz and It's a Wonderful Life?

@  Steevy Maximus : (02 May 2021 - 09:54 AM)

You’re traveling down a rabbit hole I dare not follow

@  Otaku : (02 May 2021 - 09:26 AM)

At the same time, with my almost non-existent knowledge of Japanese and how oddly some things translate, seeing "Gorgeous Giorgios Gorges" made me wonder if that would make it "JoJoJo"... which now has my brain terrified of a weird Bobobo-bo Bo-bobo/Jojo's Bizarre Adventure Crossover. @[email protected]

@  Otaku : (02 May 2021 - 09:24 AM)

It is always weird when things align.  This talk of Gorgeous Giorgios Gorges in the SquawkBox reminded me of King Gorgeous Gorge on the FoxBox.

@  -LittleAutob... : (01 May 2021 - 08:52 PM)

Nice

@  Nevermore : (01 May 2021 - 09:03 AM)

I got one even better: After that character by the name of Gorgeous Giorgios dies in a gorge, they name that whole area after him: The Gorgeous Giorgios Gorges.

@  tigerhawk : (30 April 2021 - 01:56 AM)

Paint apps did slide notably during TR, wave one's Titan Masters had detail but wave 2 onwards was absent of them. Wave 5's Ramhorn, Dreadnaut, Scorchfire and Aimless had detail but Murk and Hazard didn't, can't speak for Flameout as I got Legends Twintwist and Slugslinger.

@  kizudarake : (29 April 2021 - 04:50 PM)

Anyone here got any g1 jet fire parts for sale?

@  wonko the sane? : (29 April 2021 - 04:12 PM)

Other than a few overly tight joints, the paints apps are my single complaint about the generations line.

@  tigerhawk : (29 April 2021 - 02:25 PM)

I just saw Legends Leo Prime now I wish Titans Return Alpha Trion had a few more paint apps for ship mode.

@  walruslaw : (28 April 2021 - 09:33 PM)

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@  CORVUS : (27 April 2021 - 08:11 PM)

Indeed.

@  NotVeryKnightly : (27 April 2021 - 04:59 PM)

CORVUS: considering that reply, I'm pretty sure this was just another instance of Bass posting poorly-defined drivel as if it were profound.

@  TheMightyMol... : (27 April 2021 - 04:24 PM)

Given the last year and a half or so, is it any surprise?

@  Bass X0 : (27 April 2021 - 04:12 PM)

People are snapping already it seems.

@  Kaon : (27 April 2021 - 12:15 PM)

I like the Shattered Glass Megatron's alt mode


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#41 Thylacine 2000

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 07:56 PM

I am dutifully impressed.

Though between the panel-popping and how you have to use arm-shuddering excessive force to split the legs out of planet mode....

Maybe the perfect spherical Unicron just can't exist?

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Posted 07 September 2019 - 08:03 PM

...I think I really want this thing. That transformation and robot mode do more for me than the HasLab version, and I like the size. Gonna come down to the price to fully win me over.



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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:32 AM

Wonderful design! Several "That's really neat!" moments. Had to kill the sound a few minutes- that music.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 01:02 PM

I am dutifully impressed.

Though between the panel-popping and how you have to use arm-shuddering excessive force to split the legs out of planet mode....

Maybe the perfect spherical Unicron just can't exist?

 

I think the problem doesn't lie in the shape of the final form but how they excute the transformation, this and the Hasbro verisons both involve a lot of panels to be moved about because they are trying to recreate the G1 movie desgin while the Armada desgin kept things simple, besides there is no such thing as prefection because if there was than there would not be a need to keep redesgining things over and over again, good example MP OP, he had what at least three verisons offically all based on his G1 desgin!


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 04:38 PM

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Posted 08 September 2019 - 05:46 PM

I get the impression Haslab Unicron ultimately ended up being hampered by the desire to keep the arms as the equator and transform "like in the movie".

Everything about this Zeta Unicron pushes my buttons. Sure its got fiddly bits, but for that much more of a cleaner bot mode, I can live with it. Also those proportions are throroughly lovely. Its kind of a shame this also feels more toyetic than the official one.

Hopefully the photoshopped colors at the end are closer to what it'll end up with, those feel more "right" to me than the teal and color of strained peaches of Haslab.

Edited by Confuzor, 08 September 2019 - 05:47 PM.


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Posted 08 September 2019 - 06:35 PM

I get the impression Haslab Unicron ultimately ended up being hampered by the desire to keep the arms as the equator and transform "like in the movie".

 

I agree on that fact, but then I think what the Haslab one could really benefit from it becoming more a shell former, just have the shell parts removable to give it a much cleaner look but then back in the 80s, I don't think when they were making the scene where Unicron transforms, anyone thought that someone would attempt to copy the transformation and make it a toy, let alone the biggest Transformer toy EVER!!!


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 10:33 AM

Transformation video. Much less shellforming than i expected. Very very impressed. Think I'm in.

 

Comes with a second open planet mouth and energy beam effect that combine into a stand, ab crunch, opening mouth, eye LEDs, diecast side toes and shoulder joints.

 

Wow. That is very impressive. It makes a much cleaner robot design. Love how they did the collar and no huge turtle shell hanging off the back. Very impressed. 


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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:10 PM

I wonder how many people are going to pull their support from the Haslab Unicron after seeing this.  If I actually cared about having a Unicron toy, this is the one I would get.



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Posted 09 September 2019 - 12:39 PM

At the moment, I'm not planning to pull my support from Haslab because it's big and official. But I will likely get this one too because it looks so much better. Love the engineering and how clean the robot mode is. I do hate the turtle shell on Haslab Unicron. 


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 09:04 AM

There's somehow room in my life (and house) for both this and the real deal.  My only real concerns about this are the planet deco at this point, since Zeta has a ton of experience with large scale combiners, so the joints should be fine.  And that Core Star has a unreleased G1 Unicron style LED in the top of his head for the planet maw makes me kind of giddy.


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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:09 PM

Was it an LED?  I always figured it was lightpiping (making Unicron the first toy to have some).  But then, I've only ever seen photos.



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Posted 10 September 2019 - 11:17 PM

The test shot had a hole on the back of the head that the youtuber said was a battery compartment


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 12:00 AM

At the moment, I'm not planning to pull my support from Haslab because it's big and official. But I will likely get this one too because it looks so much better. Love the engineering and how clean the robot mode is. I do hate the turtle shell on Haslab Unicron. 

 

wont be long before we can an entire solar system made up only of unicrons!

 

i hope some of the floppiness of the panles and tightness of joints will be fixed on the final version. and does it come with a dinobot damaged ass?? that should be a no brainer

 

i think ill be getting this one. its bound to be cheaper, and the way the panels fold away is far more practical than hasbros. love how they hide away instead of just stack up on top of each other. looks like itll be easier to handle too. there is such a thing as a toy being too big, and i think hasbros is over that

 

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Posted 11 September 2019 - 06:29 AM

wont be long before we can an entire solar system made up only of unicrons!

 

Then I bet there is two things happening in that Solar system:

1. Primus likely s***ing himself over the fact there is so many Unicrons

2. Unicron's devouring each other to become the surpeme Unicron!


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 08:46 AM

Was it an LED?  I always figured it was lightpiping (making Unicron the first toy to have some).  But then, I've only ever seen photos.

Yeah, the Hasbro and Takara versions of G1 Unicron had Shockwave/Galvatron style 9v electronics inside, with lights inside the head that lit up the eyes and the top of the noggin a la G1 Galvatron, which was supposed to be tied into a electronic voice changer gimmick in the chest.  The button to activate it was his "belt buckle" of sorts.


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Posted 11 September 2019 - 07:10 PM

Man. HasTak should look at that video and think, "Why didn't we think of that?!"

 

I'm an admitted "official" apologist but there are so many things about this that are done better than Hasbro's. I think credit must also be given that they were obviously working on this at the same time as the official Unicron so they weren't just "improving" on something that had already been mostly figured out.

 

 

Given the recent MP-44 release, and other previous successes like managing to make the "impossible" Mainframe Dinobot character design a transformable model, I find it incredibly hard to believe that it comes down to "HasTak didn't think of it".

 

The reality of the matter is that the two companies had very different design goals in mind.  HasTak wanted to create the "iconic" Unicron: one that faithfully replicating the planet mode that was seen for the majority of TF:TM, and also approximates as best as possible his big transformation scene and recreating his arm transformation.  They also wanted him to top the charts as the biggest Transformers figure they'll ever make, which comes with its own engineering restrictions.  The HasTak toy is a dominant centrepiece in either mode, appropriately massive in both robot and planet modes.

 

ZetaToys' design is a more "purist" approach, and instead focuses almost exclusively on the robot mode, at the expense of the planet mode proportion and detail, and lacking any of the iconography of Unicron's big scene in the movie, for the sake of avoiding as much kibble as possible.  Their toy is significantly smaller that HasTak's, and can get away with engineering quirks that the larger toy cannot (I really can't imagine trying to support 20lbs of weight on Zeta's eggshell panel heel spikes).  The planet mode is positively tiny.

 

Neither approach is inherently right or wrong, just a byproduct of a character design that is utterly impossible to produce in a 100% accurate and faithful way, so creative liberties will always be in play.

 

For what it's worth, my favour still lies heavily with the HasLab version.  The gorgeous planet mode really puts it over the top for me, and while kibbly, the robot mode sells its presence much better.  It's not just about sheer size, but the intricacy of the surface detail also helps to sell his enormity.  He's also stylized employing forced-perspective techniques, with larger forearms and shins, that make him look more imposing.  While Zeta's version is largely accurate to what we see on screen, as a toy, it feels visually "weightless".  I simply don't get the impression that he's a robot the size of a planet, due to his lesser surface detail and "normal" proportions.  The Zeta toy also looks like a nightmare to transform.  He seems shellformer-y in the worst way, with the planet mode looking like a bunch of strung-together eggshell panels that all have to clip together just so, or they start caving in with little provocation.  I have a high tolerance for complicated, fiddly transformations, but the impression I'm getting is that this will be one of those especially frustrating ordeals, balancing the relative fragility of the eggshell panels contrasting the strength of the ratcheted joints (I'd be happy to be wrong, in this case).


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 02:24 PM



 



Man. HasTak should look at that video and think, "Why didn't we think of that?!"

 

I'm an admitted "official" apologist but there are so many things about this that are done better than Hasbro's. I think credit must also be given that they were obviously working on this at the same time as the official Unicron so they weren't just "improving" on something that had already been mostly figured out.

 

 

Given the recent MP-44 release, and other previous successes like managing to make the "impossible" Mainframe Dinobot character design a transformable model, I find it incredibly hard to believe that it comes down to "HasTak didn't think of it".

I know there's a whole rest of an essay there, but I'm just going to say that there's a big difference between, "didn't think of it" and "can't do it."  I just don't think it ever occurred to them to use this kind of odd symmetrical transformation scheme because they were probably already focused on some other element going in, whether it be "fully accurate planet" or "replicate arm transformation from film."  Basically, I think they already started with different design goals in mind that never led them towards a transformation like Zeta's.

 

I also kind of have to call you out on the "Zeta is a shellformer in the worst way" when the HasLab one is very much the same.  Like, we've seen the transformation video.  We know the ridiculous extent of the real deal's shellformer-ing.  It's basically a lateral move between the two.  I'm still in for both, but c'mon.


Edited by Spark, 12 September 2019 - 02:32 PM.

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 03:10 PM

Zeta Toys took down any mentioning of this figure from their Facebook page.

 

Still up on their Weibo.


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Posted 12 September 2019 - 03:37 PM

I'm wondering if Hasbro Asia sent them a C&D or something.


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